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fordtrucks61-79-digest Thursday, March 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 143



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In this issue:

Re: Oil Pressure was... [George Herpich ]
Re: 351C and 429/460 [George Herpich ]
Re: Tranny options... ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Cloyes roller chain [Jean and Phillip Johnson ]
Re: Tranny options... ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
360 and 460 swap [DGholsM ]
Re: 360 and 460 swap [DGholsM ]
4x4 gearing [BDIJXS ]
Re: 4x4 gearing [james oxley ]
RE: Cleveland [Dennis Pearson ]
Re: Big trouble!! [Stu Varner ]
Re: Oil Pressure was... ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Grass Valley outing [Fred F Robinson ]
Re: Tranny options... [Kurt Albershardt ]
66 Ford F100 VIN # [Rustforfun ]
Re: Burned Valves ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: Tranny options... [Kurt Albershardt ]
RE: 351C ["Robert Harris" ]
Re: Burned Valves ["Deacon" ]
Re: Big trouble!! ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
swaybar mounts [BDIJXS ]
75/76 F150 Rebuild ["hulse" ]
Re: Burned Valves/Window felts ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: Cloyes roller chain ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Big trouble!! [Randy Collins ]
Re: Big trouble!! [CandyDMan ]
Re: Burned Valves/Window felts [John MacNamara ]
Re: Tranny options... [james oxley ]
Introduction [am14 chrysler.com]
460 - 400 swap [am14 chrysler.com]
bent crossmembers [am14 chrysler.com]

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 06:24:29 -0500
From: George Herpich
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure was...

tfmf211 murphyfarms.com wrote:
>
> I want to say again, "Thanks" to all that have replied to my
> dilemma.
>
> Here's what I'm going to do, unless you folks tell me I
> shouldn't.
>
> First, I'm going to put in a heavier weight oil to hopefully
> solve my current ticking problem till I can do the rest.
>
> I hope to use my Dad's shop for a weekend
> (lift and cherry picker) to put on a new Melling Oil
> Pump and Federal Mogul or Clevite Main Bearings.
> It looks right now it will be at least 2 maybe 3 weeks
> out before I can get this done.
>
> I figure if I'm going to do the bearings, I may as well go
> ahead and do the pump since it's cheap and I'll be
> there anyway.
>
> I hope this will hold me for a while, I do intend on
> stroking the motor to a "390" someday (have to
> build a house first).
>
> If any one has any other suggestions, I would like to
> hear them.

If your not hearing any noises other than valve ticking, leave the
bearings alone. If you must, drop one rod and one main cap and look at
the lower half of the bearings. Even if the silver color is worn off and
copper is showing it does not mean they need replacing. This is a fairly
difficult job with a lot of room for error. You could end up destroying
the engine. The new pump will make up for slightly enlarged clearances
and should buy you many thousands of miles.
If you were more experienced, and really wanted to, it wouldn't hurt to
change them but
since the pump itself is a pretty easy job, why not try it first. You'll
only be out a pan gasket if you need to go back in.
Another thing to thoroughly check is the cover and screen assy(pickup).
make sure there's no cracks and that the screen is tight with no gaps. I
usually replace it.

George

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 06:32:34 -0500
From: George Herpich
Subject: Re: 351C and 429/460

Chris Hedemark wrote:
>
> >Azie, The boss 302 and the 429 both predate the 351c.
>
> How is this possible? The Boss 302 was a 302 with the heads from a 351C.
> Didn't they both come out the same year????
>
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The boss 302 came out in '69, The 385's in '68 and the cleveland in '70.

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:38:03 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Tranny options...

> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:27:46 -0800
> From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
> Subject: Re: Tranny options...

> What is a form factor?

I think he means top loader etc..

> >Also you can up the final drive ratio and keep the granny first to
> >get an overdrive of sorts.
>
> You mean, change the ring gear in the diffs?

Exactly except the first (granny) gear doesn't lend itself very well
to "normal" shifting. Has anyone tried to make a "standard", on the
fly shift from granny low to second at any kind of speed? Try it
sometime, it isn't easy to do without cheating the syncros and
grinding the gears so this idea is on the bottom of the pile IMHO :-)

If you don't plan to thrash the truck the light duty 4 spd OD should
work fine if you take good care of it and will shift much nicer than
any of the heavy duty truck trannys.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 06:27:22 -0600
From: Jean and Phillip Johnson
Subject: Re: Cloyes roller chain

DC Beatty wrote:
>
> I'm going to put a timing set in my 390. I can get a Cloyes "true-roller"
> double roller set for $92.00. Does anyone here have experience, good or
> bad, with cloyes stuff? Is it a quality product or should I do something
> else? It's not going to be a race motor or anything, just a bone stock 390
> that I hope to have last for 3 or 4 years ( or 10-12 for that matter ). I
> found nylon gear teeth in the pan and want something sturdy.
>
> Kissing the 352 oil spewer goodbye,
>
> Drew Beatty
> 1967 F100 352
> 1974 Maverick 302
I don't know about that particular timing chain kit, but it seems
extremely pricy. I just replaced the timing chain in a '88 Lincoln 302
that had the nylon coated aluminum gears. I got a new steel gear kit
from Advance for $16 for it. In my opinion probably something like that
would do the trick if you don't plan on doing anything else to the
engine besides changing the timing chain.

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:40:23 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Tranny options...

> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:49:47 -0800
> From: Kurt Albershardt
> Subject: Re: Tranny options...

> Yep. If you have 4.11s and go to 3.73s with a lower 1st, your off
> the line grunt is similar but your highway RPMs will go down a bit.
> You'll need to work the numbers for all 4 gears to make sure you're
> OK. NP-435 is 6.something:1 first gear, while the 425 is
> 4.something:1.

Elaborate on the 425. What applications was it used in and what
gears does it have again, OD or what??

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:12:13 EST
From: DGholsM
Subject: 360 and 460 swap

Anybody HELP!! I just found a dream deal. While checking out one of the
local bone yard. I found a 79 LINCOLN which was driven off of the tow truck.
I thought it was coasting but the driver said it was and it was. I bought it
on the spot. Now will the 460 fit right into my 71 f-350 and bolt onto my
NP435? If so I'm going to put my 360 into the LINCOLN. BTW it is in vurtually
mint condition.

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:15:04 EST
From: DGholsM
Subject: Re: 360 and 460 swap

{The driver said it was running and it was.}

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:44:25 EST
From: BDIJXS
Subject: 4x4 gearing

Gearheads,

Do you think its much of a problem to have just slightly different gearing on
the front and rear axles? I have a 69 1/2-ton 4x4 with, get this, a Dana 60
rear (with 5 lugs, semi-floating) and a Dana 44 front out of a 77. The rear
has 3:54's and the front has 3:50's. Both ends have limited slip.

Now, I have been running this setup (without the front limited slip) for about
15 years with no troubles....only rarely did I seem to have a little
difficulty in engaging the front end when the hubs were locked, but nothing
that seemed too out of line.

How much does the 4/100's ratio difference affect things?

I'm thinking that even if there is a little binding, it will be "let out" by
the limited slip clutches.....

Colorado Jeff

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:55:56 -0800
From: james oxley
Subject: Re: 4x4 gearing

BDIJXS wrote:
>
> Gearheads,
>
> Do you think its much of a problem to have just slightly different gearing on
> the front and rear axles? I have a 69 1/2-ton 4x4 with, get this, a Dana 60
> rear (with 5 lugs, semi-floating) and a Dana 44 front out of a 77. The rear
> has 3:54's and the front has 3:50's. Both ends have limited slip.
>

I have this exact setup in my Bronco and have lockers front and rear. I
do not use 4WD on the street, especially since we haven't had any snow
this year. Offroad, even locked at both ends, is really no problem. I can
shift in or out of 4WD at will. I do notice a little less steering effort
when in 2WD and front hubs are locked (vs 4WD), but nothing to concern
me.

OX

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 06:18:11 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: RE: Cleveland

Then it will be like cheating because I will still have the Cleveland. I'll
have to sneak to drive the 429. My Gawd! I guess we do treat our trucks
like girlfriends.

Thanks for your message at 02:51 PM 3/11/98 -0500, Sleddog. Your message was:
>
>
>Ya think the 429 will
>make me forget my CLeveland?
>
>
>------------
>
>it's kind of like girlfriends. you won't forget about the Cleveland, but
you'll never go back!
>
>


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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:30:38 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: Big trouble!!

At 03:05 AM 3/12/98 -0500, you wrote:
>On the subject of cross members. A previous owner of my F250 (used to be 2WD,
>now 4WD), cut out the cross member from under the engine. Probably so the 4WD
>set up would work--he also cut the frame and welded new sections that had leaf
>spring hangers on them--scary!
>
>I would like to do this right, but the only way I can think of is to replace
>the whole frame--hard to find--did I mention the truck is a Crew Cab Short
>Bed?? Not sure if I am going to leave it 4WD either. This project is on the
>back burner at the moment, but any insights would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Truck Info: 1970 F250 (formerly 2WD), Crew Cab Short Bed

Dennis,
I can send a picture of my F-100 4x4 set up with coil
springs.......not the same as your F-250 I know, but It may help with motor
mount/ motor support placement etc. Now is a good time because motor and
front clip are off the truck as we speak!
STU
Nuke General Motors and its subsidary's!!

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:46:47 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure was...

> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 06:24:29 -0500
> From: George Herpich
> Subject: Re: Oil Pressure was...

> in. Another thing to thoroughly check is the cover and screen
> assy(pickup). make sure there's no cracks and that the screen is
> tight with no gaps. I usually replace it.

NEVER replace a pump without replacing the pickup tube and scree!!!
I might even go so far as to recommend not taking the pan off without
replacing it in fact. This is what destroyed a 351M when the varnish
on the inside of the tube came loose and lodged in the rotor of the
pump. The pickup is only $18 or so and is much cheaper than a new
engine :-)


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:17:30 -0800
From: Fred F Robinson
Subject: Grass Valley outing

Jeff, what you found out is fine and sounds like a lot of fun. And having a
truck guy at a good icecream place is even better yet. Looking forward to
the outing.

Those who are planning to come along let me know so I can find a place in
Sacramento to meet that we can all drive up together. Or if you just what
to go by your self let Jeff know so he can give directions

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:19:08 -0800
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: Re: Tranny options...

At 07:40 AM 3/12/98 +0000, Gary, 78 BBB wrote:
>> Yep. If you have 4.11s and go to 3.73s with a lower 1st, your off
>> the line grunt is similar but your highway RPMs will go down a bit.
>> You'll need to work the numbers for all 4 gears to make sure you're
>> OK. NP-435 is 6.something:1 first gear, while the 425 is
>> 4.something:1.
>
>Elaborate on the 425. What applications was it used in and what
>gears does it have again, OD or what??

It was offered as an option to a 435 on several vehicles. D*dge trucks
from the '70's and into the '80's I'm sure of, Ford possibly some '70s
trucks. 4-speed, non-OD, 1st gear is 4.xx where the 435 first is 6.xx:1.
Otherwise identical, with some parts (shifter, etc.) also looking
interchangeable.

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:20:57 EST
From: Rustforfun
Subject: 66 Ford F100 VIN #

First three symbols = series, fourth symbol = engine: A or 1 = 240 cid six; B
or 2 =
300 cid six; Y or 8 = 352 cid *eight (the book says 352 cid six, but I don't
think there is such an animal). The fifth symbol = assembly plant which is
too long to list, post the fifth number and I'll tell you which it is....I own
a '65 F100 and I can tell you they are great trucks. Your '66 will have twin
I beam suspension since that began in '65 but it won't ride like a cadillac


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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:29:01 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: Burned Valves

- ----------
> From: Keith Srb
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Burned Valves
> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 10:26 AM
>
> What happens when a Valve gets Burned????
>

Well if the valve is smart it never does THAT again!

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:32:17 -0800
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: Re: Tranny options...

OOps!!!!!

Just checked my FSM. I've been calling this thing an NP-425 and it's
actually an NP-445!

Here are the numbers:

435445

1st6.684.56
2nd3.342.28
3rd1.661.31
4th1.001.00
Rev8.264.07

435 has a single PTO while the 445 has dual




At 07:19 AM 3/12/98 -0800, Kurt Albershardt wrote:
>At 07:40 AM 3/12/98 +0000, Gary, 78 BBB wrote:
>>> Yep. If you have 4.11s and go to 3.73s with a lower 1st, your off
>>> the line grunt is similar but your highway RPMs will go down a bit.
>>> You'll need to work the numbers for all 4 gears to make sure you're
>>> OK. NP-435 is 6.something:1 first gear, while the 425 is
>>> 4.something:1.
>>
>>Elaborate on the 425. What applications was it used in and what
>>gears does it have again, OD or what??
>
>It was offered as an option to a 435 on several vehicles. D*dge trucks
>from the '70's and into the '80's I'm sure of, Ford possibly some '70s
>trucks. 4-speed, non-OD, 1st gear is 4.xx where the 435 first is 6.xx:1.
>Otherwise identical, with some parts (shifter, etc.) also looking
>interchangeable.

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:52:15 -0800
From: "Robert Harris"
Subject: RE: 351C

In digest mode so apologize.

The only reliable reference I have at hand is
"Ford Performance" by Pat Ganahl
ISBN 0-931472-05-9 SA Publishing Part No 05

Although there are some technical mistakes within, overall has proved very
good.

The really wild factory heads were for the 220,260 and 289 such as the twin
cam, Gurney Westlake etc. and for the pushrod types the Gurney Eagle 3 valve
head in 1967. The 302 came out in 1968. In 1968, Ford produced the tunnel
port heads for the 302, based on the highly successful NASCAR Tunnel Port
Heads for the 427. They were massive overkill and did not make the power
needed. In 1969, Ford refined the tunnel port small block head by moving
the pushrods to the side of the port, canting the valves for a semi-hemi
("poly-angle") chamber and a few other minor improvements. It was sold as
the "BOSS 302" available only on Boss Mustangs and Mercury Eliminators in
Model years 1969 and 1970. In Model Year 1971, the NEW Cleveland block
received a modified BOSS 302 Head package, and the God Fetish Worship 5.0
(OOPS - 302) was relegated to plodderdom - available only with a low
compression two barrel. BTW the Boss 302 and the Cleveland 4V heads are
extremely similar - the main difference being the larger chamber on the 4V
head. The BOSS 351 (1971 only) was a 351 Cleveland 4V head modified to
accept an adjustable rocker arm.

Incidentally, the "canted valve poly-angle" combustion chamber was
introduced to the world a year prior (1968) to the Boss 302 on the
production 429 (gee - a 385 series), and 460 in Lincoln / Mercuries. Its
success in racing - NASCAR and NHRA led to its introduction in the small
block world as the BOSS 302 head. It also begat the incredible and now very
rare BOSS 429 SEMI-HEMI package which lacked any bottom and middle end but
TOTALY dominated the NASCAR Superspeedways. In 1970, Ford upgraded the
performance of the 429 by the introduction of the Cobra Jet (CJ) package
that featured higher compression, bigger ports and valves (now into mega
massive overkill) and better intake/exhaust. But before you rush out and
pay $700 each to PAW for the aluminum CJ/SCJ heads, you might want to
consider the words of the FORD Ford Muscle Parts Book (Supplement # 2) in
reference to the STOCK 385 heads in comparison to the CJ/SCJ. " These
smaller ports, when smoothed out flow better than the big CJ/SCJ sewer
pipes" - FORDS word.

With Detroit's propensity (Ford included) to stick anything into anything,
you may very well have seen 351C's stuck into late production model year
1970 anything. Parts is parts, a paid for motor is a paid for motor - stuff
it in and go with it. Or, special order cause I know someone, or just
because. But "OFFICIALLY" it didn't happen.
- ------------------------------

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:16:54 -0500
From: "Chris Hedemark"
Subject: Re: 351C and 429/460

>Azie, The boss 302 and the 429 both predate the 351c.


How is this possible? The Boss 302 was a 302 with the heads from a 351C.
Didn't they both come out the same year????

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 23:06:53 -0500
From: "Chris Hedemark"
Subject: Re: 351C and 429/460

>The 351 Cleveland was first produced for the 1971 model year and
>discontinued by the 1974 model year.


You sure about this? I could swear that the 1970 Mustangs were available
with Clevelands (and, true, 1973 was the last year in that model for the
Cleveland).

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:19:43 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: Burned Valves

From: Bill Beyer
>> What happens when a Valve gets Burned????
>>
>
>Well if the valve is smart it never does THAT again!

Bravo! (I can't believe I missed setup like this) You've scored a
perfect 10! :)


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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:32:59 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Big trouble!!

> From: CandyDMan
> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 03:05:52 EST
> Subject: Re: Big trouble!!

> On the subject of cross members. A previous owner of my F250 (used
> to be 2WD, now 4WD), cut out the cross member from under the engine.
> Probably so the 4WD set up would work--he also cut the frame and
> welded new sections that had leaf spring hangers on them--scary!

How about hind sight? I did a van that way but I left the cross
member and only cut out what I needed to clear the punkin. It worked
fine but after studying my bronco I realized that the engine mounts
on the bronco essentially replace the cross member's function by
using the engine as a structural member instead of it just sitting on
top of the cross member. If you can get real 4x4 frame mounts and
mount the engine that way then weld in a cross member up front under
the radiator to stiffen the frame up there you should be in good
shape.

Since he cut it completely out I presume he put in some kind of side
mount bolted or welded to the inside of the frame rails right? With
coil springs you have to consider the twisting load on the frame
rails but with leaf springs it's kind of a no brainer IMHO and lots
of twist support is not needed but you still need the front cross
member to stiffen things up and your tranny cross member should have
the extra top and bottom attachment points for best rigidity as well
since the engine cross member isn't there to resist any rail twisting
moments. I believe these can be had separately and bolted to the
existing cross member if they aren't there. One of my trucks had
this arrangement but not sure which one now.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:34:31 EST
From: BDIJXS
Subject: swaybar mounts

Hello Swaybar People,

On the front Bronco swaybar (at least the 78-79 models), the axle mounts have
little "tabs" with holes in them that slip over little "nubs" that are formed
on the axle housing. I'm assuming this is to keep the mounts from "twisting"
on the axle when the swaybar twists. Or, maybe its just to initially align
them?

My question is, does the rear axle have the same sort of setup? Or, do the U-
bolts just handle it. I'm also wondering about aftermarket swaybars, if they
have some special provision to restrict twist, or just rely on the U-bolts...

The reason for the question is that I have a Bronco swaybar and mounts, but
not the "nubs" on the 77 F-150 4x4 front axle housing. Do I have to go to the
trouble of welding something on, or maybe the U-bolts will be sufficient?

Anyone?

Thanks,

Colorado Jeff

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:27:47 -0700
From: "hulse"
Subject: 75/76 F150 Rebuild

Drew and Colorado Jeff,

Thanks for the "regs" info! I'll be rebuilding the ole girl and hopeing
these regs don't change soon!
I live in Wray, ranch country where the rough country trashes the running
gear and cattle trash the sheet metal, mostly junk to choose from... Happy
hunting for me!

Thanks also to Lee,

I missed the first Helm post, but I called for a set of manuals. Sure
enough the service manual was inexpensive ($14.51) but watch out for the
shipping and handling $15.12! Guess I'm on my way...

Thanks to all for the incouragement

75/76 F150 4X4 390 4sp 32's
Brad in Colorado




Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 01:28:45 EST
From: Lee Craner
Subject: Re: Shop manual bargains

A post several weeks ago suggested that Helm, the publisher of Ford's
official
shop manuals, might be closing out some manuals. I called them and today I
received the five volume set of manuals for '73 Ford trucks. Total cost
was
$21.80 delivered. Cheapest I've seen this set up to this point was $60 for
a
well worn set, with most of the places I've checked wanting $75 to $125.

Don't know what else their discounting so steeply, but it's worth checking
out. Helm's 800 number is 800-871-9488 (fax 313-865-5927). Make sure you
ask
for their "special events and sales department," otherwise you might end up
paying list price.

Lee

- ------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:03:29 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: Burned Valves/Window felts

- ----------
> From: Deacon
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: Burned Valves
> Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 8:19 AM
>
> From: Bill Beyer
> >> What happens when a Valve gets Burned????
> >>
> >
> >Well if the valve is smart it never does THAT again!
>
> Bravo! (I can't believe I missed setup like this) You've scored a
> perfect 10! :)
>

High praise indeed coming from the likes of you Deacon! ;-)

BTW anybody know where I can get window felt for my 79 F250? Those are the
pieces that actually contact the glass and prevent water from sliding down
into the door.

Thanks.

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:10:50 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Cloyes roller chain

> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:50:03 -0500
> From: DC Beatty
> Subject: Cloyes roller chain

> I'm going to put a timing set in my 390. I can get a Cloyes
> "true-roller" double roller set for $92.00. Does anyone here have

$92 seems like a lot? Seems like last time I looked it was more like
$48? Been a while though. Cloyes is one of the best, if not the
top, timing chain companys so should be a good choice in any event.

Some of us have talked about the Pete Jackson gear sets which are
reputed to have better tolerances and keep the timing a bit closer
over time but they are twice the money at least. Double roller
chains are an improvement over the stock silent (laminated leaf)
chain by some margin regardless of brand (as long as we are talking
known brands that is) due to better bearing surfaces for the pins and
roller action against the sprocket teeth. Many of these sets also
have the advantage of several key ways to allow some cam timing
adjustments.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:55:49 -0800
From: Randy Collins
Subject: Re: Big trouble!!

CandyDMan Wrote:

On the subject of cross members. A previous owner of my F250 (used to be
2WD, now 4WD), cut out the cross member from under the engine. Probably so
the 4WD set up would work-he also cut the frame and welded new sections
that had leaf spring hangers on them-scary!
I would like to do this right, but the only way I can think of is to
replace the whole frame-hard to find-did I mention the truck is a Crew Cab
Short Bed?? Not sure if I am going to leave it 4WD either. This project
is on the back burner at the moment, but any insights would be greatly
appreciated.
Truck Info: 1970 F250 (formerly 2WD), Crew Cab Short Bed

I converted a 1975 2 WD F250 Supercab to a F250 4WD. It was lots of work
but it is don the right way. On the 1977 F250 4WD frame the transmission
mount forms the main crossmember for the spring hangers. There is also and
welded in crossmember just in front of the motor. I am not familiar with
the 1970 frame but I spent lots of time getting mine done correctly.

I did my conversion by grafting the front frame rails of the 1977 1/2 F250
4WD to the frame of the 1975 2WD Supercab. I spliced them together just in
front of the cab. I am not sure about other years but this made the most
sense for my conversion.

I did have to add the spring hangers to the 2 WD frame. I cut the round
holes for the hangers and then welded 1/4" steel plate to the outside of
the frame rails for added support. I then had to machine the mounting
surface of the hangers to provided clearance for the additional width of
the steel plate.


Later,

Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
460 SUPER COBRA JET
Short Block Completed...Stage II head work

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:26:16 EST
From: CandyDMan
Subject: Re: Big trouble!!

Thanks for the offer of the picture STU, but I don't need them. I know where
the mounts should go-remnants of the cross member exist, but just inside the
frame rails.

I was really just trying to get a feel as to how stable it is without that
cross member. Until recently I was driving this truck and it gave me very few
problems. I think the easiest way to fix the cross member and suspension, and
engine mount problems, is to get a new frame--thinking along this line, does
anyone know how new of a frame I can get that I can bolt my current 1970 crew
cab body to, without any major modifications??

Dennis Candy

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:43:04 -0800
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: Burned Valves/Window felts

Bill Beyer wrote:

> BTW anybody know where I can get window felt for my 79 F250? Those are the
> pieces that actually contact the glass and prevent water from sliding down
> into the door.
>

Bill: Dennis Carpenter's has them.

Regards
John

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:10:05 -0800
From: james oxley
Subject: Re: Tranny options...

Kurt Albershardt wrote:

> 435 445
>
> 1st 6.68 4.56
> 2nd 3.34 2.28
> 3rd 1.66 1.31
> 4th 1.00 1.00
> Rev 8.26 4.07
>

WOW!!, the 435 has an 8.26 reverse gear. Doesn't seem that high to me,
but what do I know??

OX

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:10:56 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Introduction

George writes: >>The boss 302 and the 429 both predate the 351c.

The 429 and 429Boss was introduced in '69. The 302Boss was for sure
available in '70 and I think in '69, but am not absolutely sure of
this. When was the 351Boss and C intro??????? I thought they were
introduced along with the 302Boss.

If any of you ever get to decatur, Al. , stop in at Joe Sartain Ford.
He has a '69 429Boss on his showroom floor, that looks brand new. (He
sold it brand new - lost touch with it - found it in central Ohio about
10 years ago completely disassembled in a garage - bought it back -
hauled it back to decatur, Al. in three cube vans, and paid one of his
mechanics $12,000
to restore and reassemble it on his own time.) It is beautiful!!!


Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:16:50 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: 460 - 400 swap

Jim writes from an article:....


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