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fordtrucks61-79-digest Thursday, March 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 142



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In this issue:

RE: T-Birds + FE's [DC Beatty ]
Dealer open until midnight [sbest ]
Re: Your truck photo in Auto Krafter Catalog ["Deacon" ]
Re: 351C and 429/460 ["Chris Hedemark" ]
Re: Dealer open until midnight [Joe DeLaurentis ]
Re: T-Birds + FE's [Tyler Wilkins ]
'66 Ford F100 - possible purchase this/next week ["Chris Hedemark"
Re: 351C and 429/460 ["Chris Hedemark" ]
Need Digests [pickup65 juno.com (Jon E Purut)]
Re: BELLHOUSINGS [Tyler Wilkins ]
Re: '66 Ford F100 - possible purchase this/next week [MIGKiller7
Re: Cloyes roller chain [MIGKiller7 ]
Bob or Sherry Anderson... [Ken Payne ]
Re: T-Birds + FE's ["Deacon" ]
Re: Shop manual bargains [Lee Craner ]
Re: Big trouble!! [CandyDMan ]

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:49:53 -0500
From: DC Beatty
Subject: RE: T-Birds + FE's

Tyler, good luck. I hope you can get your hands on this. =


That being said I found a book I thought I'd lost: "Fearsome Fords:
1959-73" It shows a 390 in a T-Bird beginning in '61. Before that was a 3=
00
HP 352 and a 350 HP 430. It only shows stats for 1959-63 but it has a few=

pix in it. '61-'63 shows only a 390 with either 4V or Tri-power. =


If you really get stuck I can help you out with either a description of
pics/model years or let me know & I can scan some in Friday or this
weekend. =


Also, I think the lens covers for the taillights can tell you the year.
Look for the last # after the SAE #. For instance my '67 truck has SAE =

- -TSIB67TK. You can at least narrow it down a bit. =


Let me know,


Drew Beatty
1967 F100 352
1974 Maverick 302
dcbeatty CompuServe.com



From: Tyler Wilkins
=


=

The car itself was in beautiful shape there was not a spot of rust on
the body although the wheelwells showed a different color indicating a
paint job at some point. The interior was also very cool. This is a
very cool car. Leather interior and lots of chrome. The back seats
were developing mold but it doesn't look like it wouldn't come right off
with a rag. The drivers seat was awful worn, other than that the
interior was beautiful. But anyways, (sorry, I'm awful excited) the
door tag revealed the following numbers, I wounder if someone could
decipher them for me to tell me more about the car.

Top line (VIN)- 7Y82Z175262

Bottom Line- 65B (Year?) B 2AA 20F 27 I (or 1?(Axle Code?)) U
(Tranny code?)

I would appreciate any codes you could decipher, This motor may still
make it into my truck.

Additional info if anyone cares, its got air and its a ragtop! The
plates were last registered in '92 but the door panel revealed a
maintenence tag (oil, tires, etc.) that was dated 11/94 with a mileage
of 65K. Talking to the neighbors they said they moved in about a year
and a half ago and they had never seen the car move. And that it was an
older woman who lived there. They said they would love to see the car
gone and the realator probably would too. COOL! :)

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:16:30 -0400
From: sbest
Subject: Dealer open until midnight

>> the dealer who's open till midnight (there is usually one in each
>> city, typically the one that sells the most trucks) then go there
>
>WAIT A MINUTE!!!??? Are we talking the same language here? Are we
>talking ford dealers which are very much like Harley dealers and
>Sears and ..........................I'm incredulous!

Our local Ford dealer (Evangeline Motors) has both the showroom
AND the parts department open until midnight. Life has never been
so good for the backyard mechanic!


Steve Best, Nova Scotia, sbest glinx.com
6.9 litre diesel Ford van, full-time 4 wheel drive
"Hang on kids, we're going through..."
4 wheel drive van page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.glinx.com/users/sbest
Tire chains, camping gear, tools and first aid stuff too...

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:06:42 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: Your truck photo in Auto Krafter Catalog

Chris, never post personal e-mail to the list for any reason except
when requested or with permission by the sender. This in fact is a major
violation not to mention unethical.
Second thing here is, you just posted to the list the very thing
your complaining about receiving privately! If you have a complaint
concerning the list, please send it to Ken and not to the list.
I suggest you forgive and forget. Your wielding a two edge sword,
the deeper you deliver, you may also receive!
If anyone forwards a private e-mail form me to the list without my
permission, I will blow a fuse like you wouldn't believe. I think Ken
would take action if he received a complaint. It would need to be an
unwelcome post but it is common courtesy to ask before forwarding
anything!
You don't think your making an issue of this. But you are posting
negatively about a person who so far has done nothing wrong!
Lets put both these behind us as "No wrong doing intended" and get
on with it.

Sorry Ken, this isn't my place. You are the enforcer, I'm a member.
I step down from your soap box. You know you do have a nice view from up
here! :)
Later!


Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:16:54 -0500
From: "Chris Hedemark"
Subject: Re: 351C and 429/460

>Azie, The boss 302 and the 429 both predate the 351c.


How is this possible? The Boss 302 was a 302 with the heads from a 351C.
Didn't they both come out the same year????

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:27:45 -0500
From: Joe DeLaurentis
Subject: Re: Dealer open until midnight

Here In Phila ,PA we dont have open till midnight but we do have one
open till 9pm and most open on sat for parts!

But boy could i use that midnight run in the summer :)
you know the one when you break that Ford only part at around 10pm
and no one else has it!
Joe

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:43:15 -0600
From: Tyler Wilkins
Subject: Re: T-Birds + FE's

DC Beatty wrote:
>
> Tyler, good luck. I hope you can get your hands on this.
>
> That being said I found a book I thought I'd lost: "Fearsome Fords:
> 1959-73" It shows a 390 in a T-Bird beginning in '61. Before that was a 300
> HP 352 and a 350 HP 430. It only shows stats for 1959-63 but it has a few
> pix in it. '61-'63 shows only a 390 with either 4V or Tri-power.

I Just got home from the Public Library and checked my e-mail, while I
was there I picked up that exact book! Then I come on here and you tell
me about it as I'm paging through it. WOW!

You people should all utilize your public library, While I was there I
also picked up the book, "How to Rebuild your BIG-BLOCK FORD", also a
very informative and helpful book, I also got "How to Rebuild your Ford
V-8, 351C-351M-400-429-460" This looks like a GREAT book also,
especially because I am just begining to assemble my 400 for my '79
F-100. This book has detail instructions and TONS of pictures! I love
it!


>
> If you really get stuck I can help you out with either a description of
> pics/model years or let me know & I can scan some in Friday or this
> weekend.
>
> Also, I think the lens covers for the taillights can tell you the year.
> Look for the last # after the SAE #. For instance my '67 truck has SAE
> -TSIB67TK. You can at least narrow it down a bit.
>
> Let me know,

I have determined its a '67 for sure. I'll let you all know more about
it and respond to those posts with ?'s more tommorrow after I meet with
the realator! I'm never going to be able to fall asleep tonight!
Grr.....

Tyler Wilkins
'73 F-250 4x4, 360, 4-speed, 33" BFG Mud's
'79 F-100 4x2, "Under-Construction", 400, tranny undecided......

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:58:09 -0500
From: "Chris Hedemark"
Subject: '66 Ford F100 - possible purchase this/next week

Well guys it is happening sooner than I thought. Our second car (the
Escort) died today so there is a fire under my a...errrr... buttocks to get
some wheels fast. Good news is we are close to having enough money to get
the truck now, and her boss might front her the extra money just so she can
get in to work (and what a deal for her... she gets to drive a new mustang
if I get the truck)

Anyway I don't know much about the '66 so maybe you guys can help me out
with what I need to look for.

1) Engine - I know it has a V8, but I have no idea what V8's were
available that year. I'd rather not trust the seller to tell me the truth.
What engines were available that year?? And if possible, how can I tell by
VIN number what is supposed to be in there engine-wise?

2) Trouble spots - Are there any really bad things that are typical for this
year that I need to look out for? I mean, aside from the gas tank being in
the cab. :-)

3) Bed - The bed is pretty rusty. It's okay for light work I suppose but I
will need to carry some crushed stone and need something more robust. Local
salvage yard has a number of take-off beds from Fords that are in EXCELLENT
condition. Are any other years an easy bolt-on??? Will later model beds
mount to an early truck like this without looking really goofy? Oh, yeah,
the truck is a standard cab with an 8' bed. Two wheel drive.

I read the article about swapping disc brakes onto this truck from the web
page. EXCELLENT tech article!!! Are there any plans to get an update to
the article on how to add power brakes?

Reason I ask is the Escort still runs. Just not very reliably. I know that
it's worth *something* to a salvage yard because it runs and I can drive it
in. So I would like to stretch that out as far as I can in trading for
parts. For safety's sake I'd like to upgrade to power disc brakes and
secondly, if possible, upgrade to power steering. I'd also like to haggle
for a better bed but I need to know what will fit well.

Thanks folks,
Chris Hedemark
Yonder Way
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 23:06:53 -0500
From: "Chris Hedemark"
Subject: Re: 351C and 429/460

>The 351 Cleveland was first produced for the 1971 model year and
>discontinued by the 1974 model year.


You sure about this? I could swear that the 1970 Mustangs were available
with Clevelands (and, true, 1973 was the last year in that model for the
Cleveland).

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 23:17:17 -0500
From: pickup65 juno.com (Jon E Purut)
Subject: Need Digests

Could someone please send me digest #135 and #137. I have not gotten them
yet.
Thanks

FTC I have decided to pull the 1964 F350 back with a tow dolly. It seems
to be the only solution left to me now since the trailer I was going to
use for free is stuck in a field in South Carolina along with the tractor
that tried to pull it out. BTW I bought a Draw-Tight tow bar that bolts
to the bumper. It is a solid unit and should work well for the job. I
bought it because I got tired of dealing with the rental companies and
their million questions only to be told it won't work. I know they are
covering themselves for potential law suits but it is almost as if they
really do not want to rent you a trailer with their attitude.


Jon E. Purut
Pickup65 juno.com
JCPurut worldnet.att.net
Web Site Under Construction

1964 F350 Coming this Saturday
1965 F100 SWB Daily Driver
1965 F100
1977 F150
1970 Mustang Fastback
1993 Escort Wagon (wifes car)

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:19:55 -0600
From: Tyler Wilkins
Subject: Re: BELLHOUSINGS

marko maryniak wrote:
>
> >> YES!!!
> >
> >NOOOOOOOOO!
>
> Now, now. Let's not get on poor Azie's case too much. Everyone makes
> mistakes once in awhile and I noticed that he corrected himself on that
> right away.

I wasn't yelling, I was just matching his tone, I knew he knew what he
said was wrong I just wanted to make sure the question asker didn't get
convinced by his tone that it was true. I think of Azie as up there at
the top of this mountain of knowledge on this list........

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 23:33:01 EST
From: MIGKiller7
Subject: Re: '66 Ford F100 - possible purchase this/next week

Chris,
The only engines i know that were available in the '66 are the 352, 361,
and 391.
The engine code can be found in the Warranty Number row on the Vehicle
Identification plate. The first set of characters in this row will be the
Truck series code. The next character should be the engine code. D-352;
E-361; F-391.
If the bed is pretty rusty, I would also check the front cab mounts.
These can play havoc with clutch linkages on manuals. I had an automatic that
kicked out of gear everytime I took off from a stop. Good luck!

Jim Stockton
MIGKiller7 aol.com
'72 Ford F-100

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 23:46:43 EST
From: MIGKiller7
Subject: Re: Cloyes roller chain

Drew,
For some reason our Ford engineers were having a bad day when they
decided on nylon gear teeth. Cloyes makes some of the best timing sets on the
market, but I would just get a good aftermarket timing set with steel gears.
There's no need to waste your money on extra performance parts when you're
running a stock motor.

Jim Stockton
'72 Ford F-100

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:37:49 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Bob or Sherry Anderson...

Forwarded, if Bob or Sherry Anderson is here:

>Have been enjoying the truck enthusiast web page for some time.I have a
>53 F100 that we just finished.We may post it at a later date.
> I saw the 1951 Ford and 57 dragster that Bob & Sherry Anderson
>submitted. Unfortunately ,I see they do not have a E-Mail address
>attached to their article.
>I also have a 50's dragster that I am trying to restore and would like
>to contact them about theirs. We are planning to haul it with our 53.
>If possible, please forward this on for their consideration or have them
>mail us at rpracing execulink.com
>thank you for your consideration;
>
>Rick Proctor

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:20:09 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: T-Birds + FE's

From: Tyler Wilkins
>Additional info if anyone cares, its got air and its a ragtop!
>The car itself was in beautiful shape there was not a spot of rust on
>the body although the wheelwells showed a different color indicating a
>paint job at some point. The interior was also very cool.
>And my origanal interest in this car was hoping it had an FE to put in
>my '73 F-250. I don't think thats what will happen though.

Good! If you did pull the engine for your truck I'd be forced to kill
you! :) Try this site for information http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.tbird.org/data.htm

Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 01:28:45 EST
From: Lee Craner
Subject: Re: Shop manual bargains

A post several weeks ago suggested that Helm, the publisher of Ford's official
shop manuals, might be closing out some manuals. I called them and today I
received the five volume set of manuals for '73 Ford trucks. Total cost was
$21.80 delivered. Cheapest I've seen this set up to this point was $60 for a
well worn set, with most of the places I've checked wanting $75 to $125.

Don't know what else their discounting so steeply, but it's worth checking
out. Helm's 800 number is 800-871-9488 (fax 313-865-5927). Make sure you ask
for their "special events and sales department," otherwise you might end up
paying list price.

Lee

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 03:05:52 EST
From: CandyDMan
Subject: Re: Big trouble!!

On the subject of cross members. A previous owner of my F250 (used to be 2WD,
now 4WD), cut out the cross member from under the engine. Probably so the 4WD....


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