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fordtrucks61-79-digest Saturday, January 10 1998 Volume 02 : Number 014



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In this issue:

Re: 1979 F250 rear hub assembly ["JAMES MERLO" ]
Re: TQ's [Firrer ]
RE: Ford 400 intake leak [BULL229 ]
Brake pedal [Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)]
Ford Prevails Again! [Tyler Wilkins ]
Re: Dual Batteries [Tyler Wilkins ]
Diesel Pu's [Tyler Wilkins ]
Re: Cleveland heads on a 351M [dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Willia]
Re: brake retrofit, pistons, starter [OldTrux ]
Re: Ford Prevails Again! [Jim Henjum ]
Re: '77 351M vacuum line routing ["Dale and Donna Carmine"
Re: '77 351M vacuum line routing ["Dale and Donna Carmine"
Re: Diesel Pu's [Kurt Albershardt ]
Re: Ford Prevails Again! [Tyler Wilkins ]
Re: looking for 390 4bbl manifold ["Robert Mitchem"
Re: Looking for Ford T750 (1965) parts ["Gilles Hemberg" ]

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:14:21 -0600
From: "JAMES MERLO"
Subject: Re: 1979 F250 rear hub assembly

The ford book for my 62 spicer 70 reads almost verbatim of the haynes that
you mentioned, except it wants 100-150 on the locknut and tighten hub nut
while rotating wheel

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> From: Charlie Mear
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: 1979 F250 rear hub assembly
> Date: Thursday, January 08, 1998 3:31 PM
>
>
> >I am servicing my brakes for the first time on a 1979 F250 with
> >full floating rear axles (I assume they are Dana). My question
> >concerns the assembly of the hub. I have both the Haynes and
> >Chilton manuals, and they differ in the proceedure.
> >
> >chiltons (for Dana 60 and Dana 70)
> >tighten hub nut to 65-75 ft.lbs while rotating wheel
> >back off nut 1/4 turn
> >tighten to 15-20 ft.lbs
> >install lock washer
> >no mention of lock nut
> >check end-play. no end play is permitted
> >haynes (generic full floating rear axels)
> >tighten hub nut to 50 to 80 ft-lb
> >back off nut 3/8 turn
> >install lock washer
> >tighten lock nut to 90 to 110 ft.lbs
> >check endplay (should be between .001 and .01 inch)
> >
> >Could someone advise on this? What should I really do to ensure
> >proper assembly of the hubs. The hub nut and lock nut
> >take a 2.5 inch socket.
> >
> >thanks,
> >Charlie Mear mear udlkern.fc.hp.com
>
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:38:01 EST
From: Firrer
Subject: Re: TQ's

the 1970 429 crank does have a differnt size hole in it than a later model 460
it may change with the later 429s mike

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:59:19 EST
From: BULL229
Subject: RE: Ford 400 intake leak

There are times when the 351/400 will not seal to an alum intake, especially
after using the valley pan type steel intake gasket. I dont have a name for
you, but someone makes fiber gaskets which you cut the valley pan and fit it
between the ends of the head gaskets, it works nice, and rarely leaks. My
technique is to put a light coat of 3M yellow weatherstip adhesive on the head
and gasket like contact cement (black adhesive doesnt work as well) and a
light coat of permatex brushon at the water passages, the some of the brush on
Permatex around each intake port on the manifold side of the gasket. Shouldnt
leak then.

A trick for diagnosing a decent intake leak is to lightly cover the air horn
of the carb with you hand with the engine idling warm, slowly acting like a
choke with your hand. If there is a leak, the car will usually idle up a bit,
until you go too far and choke it completely. Use your bare hand, and dont
try to do it with the choke door, that could kick it to fast idle, and then
you will be fixing something that is not broken Good luck, intake
leaks can be a pain in the A$$.

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:23:05 -0500
From: Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)
Subject: Brake pedal

For the Brake booster and master cylinder I went to Auto Zone and got a
remanufactured one for a 75 it came all put together all I had to do was
bolt it in so I assumed the rod was right as for adjusting it I did'nt
know you could adjust the length I was thinking along the same line as
Gary that the throw was shorter distance on power v.s. manual but I
wanted to check and make sure after all it is the brakes but the pedal
is only in about 1- 1.5 inches from original anyway thanks for the help
and I'll try adjusting the push rod.

Duke's
Fine 69

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 18:23:03 -0600
From: Tyler Wilkins
Subject: Ford Prevails Again!

Here In Milwaukee last night we were declared a SNOW EMERGENCY! All the
stores, buisnesses, etc, were shut down! We recieved 12.5" of snow
between noon and 9pm. Bad For Most, Great for me! 'Cause I own a
high-boy! My F-250 has a plow that I use to plow for cash but more fun
its just fun to be out in a FORD 3/4 ton 4x4 with Brand New 33"
BFGoodrich Radial Mud-Terrains during a SNOW EMERGENCY when everybody
else is getting stuck in the ditches, etc. I must say its a feeling of
confidence. I don't just laugh at those people in the little
econo-cars. All though I do laugh but stop to help if they're still
there. If they are I give 'em a yank back onto the pavement. I just
thought I'd share the stats from last night.

Total Cars 'Unstucked': 47

Breakdown of Vehicles:
Ch*vy cars and 4x2 trucks: 15 and 2
Ch*vy 4x4's: 3
Ford Cars and 4x2 trucks: 11 and 1
Ford 4x4's: 0
Dodge Cars and 4x2 trucks: 3 and 0
Dodge 4x4's: 0 (There really aren't many Dodge's in this area)
Foreign Cars and Trucks: 12

I just thought I'd pass this info on, I thought it might be kind of
interesting.

p.s. I do this mainly as a service for those less fortunate (those with
low ground clearance and 2 (or often in snow), 1-wheel drive. I don't
accept donations from the people I pull. I don't need to when it snows
(I made $325 yesterday plowing for 4 hours!)

Nothing Else is FORD-TOUGH!

Tyler Wilkins
Milwaukee, WI

'73 F-250 4x4, 4-speed, 360, stock 4:10's, 33" BFG's, Headers, Dual
Exhaust, Superwinch hubs, Dual trucker anteneas, Uniden C.B., Pioneer
deck and 200-watt amp, 2 12" subs in custom counsel between Bucket
Seats!, toolbox, bedmat, 4 KC Daylighters, PRIMER GREY BODY, She ain't
purdy yet but she can sure kick some A%$!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 18:23:19 -0600
From: Tyler Wilkins
Subject: Re: Dual Batteries

I have a dual battery set-up on my '73 F-250 and my '79 F-100, both of
which I added to the trucks although the F-250 already had a tray. I
just shopped around at the parts store and found battery cables and the
rest I needed to make the set-up. I usually take the 2nd out of the
F-100 in the summer but I like having it in in the winter. Just in
case. You can't have too much battery power! Especially on these chilly
Wisconsin winters.
My 2nd in my F-250 is crucial in the winter when I plow. Running a
truck while plowing (Mostly full throttle) drains batteries extremely
fast. Most alternators can't keep up with the ignition, lights, radio,
and heater for any extended amount of time. Especially at full throttle
in winter or wheelin'.
The set-ups you can put together for around $20 plus the battery.

Tyler WIlkins
Milwaukee, WI 53045

'73 F-250 4x4, 360, 4-speed
'74 F-100 4x2, 360, 68,000 original miles!
'79 F-100 4x2, 351M, C-6
'94 Explorer 4-Door

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 18:30:30 -0600
From: Tyler Wilkins
Subject: Diesel Pu's

I don't know what mad me think of this but when did Diesels become
common motor's in light trucks? I don't think I've ever seen a 70's era
Diesel, was this an 80's thing in light trucks or was this always
around?

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 16:15:00 -0500
From: dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)
Subject: Re: Cleveland heads on a 351M

- -> Cleveland engine. You would have to substantially (expensively)
- -> modify either a Cleveland intake manifold or an M-block manifold to
- -> get it to work w/ the Cleveland 4V heads on an M-block engine.

Weiand sells a set of manifold spacers to do this.


- -> The M-block heads share most of the Cleveland 2V specs, except that
- -> the combustion chamber is a bit bigger at 78.4 cc.

Widely reported, but my buret says otherwise. Indeed, most 351M and
400 heads seem to have the same casting numbers as the 351C-2V.


- -> EGR systems, and depending on your local emissions laws, may not be
- -> legal on a post '74 vehicle. Otherwise, all M-block heads are the
- -> same.

Some later 351M heads had a "potbelly" exhaust port, where the top of
the port sagged down very close to the port floor. So close you can't
stick a finger through there, in fact. And to add insult to injury,
there's water behind it so you can't grind the thing out.


- -> noticeable performance improvement. Moreover, Cleveland heads would
- -> be pricey and they would not have the provisions for Thermactor and
- -> EGR ports, which you might need for emissions legality.

California and some other 351C heads had the proper ports.


- -> There would be little, if any, worthwhile advantage to swapping in 2V
- -> Cleveland heads.

True.


====dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us========================DoD#978=======
can you help me...help me get out of this place?...slow sedation...
ain't my style, ain't my pace...giving me a number...NINE, SEVEN, EIGHT
==5.0 RX7 -> Tyrannosaurus RX! == SAE '82 == Denizens of Doom M/C '92==


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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:33:05 EST
From: OldTrux
Subject: Re: brake retrofit, pistons, starter

In a message dated 98-01-08 12:29:36 EST, you write:


hopefully just put the booster on >>


Try MP Brakes. They can sell you everything you need. They have adds in most
truck magazines

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 20:40:16 -0600
From: Jim Henjum
Subject: Re: Ford Prevails Again!

At least someone else out there enjoys winter (and Fords!) as much as I do!

Ross Henjum
Sunburg, MN

'75 F250 4x4 390, C-6, NP203
'78 F150 302, C-4 (engine and trans for sale, body is going on my
Highboy)



Tyler Wilkins wrote:

> Here In Milwaukee last night we were declared a SNOW EMERGENCY! All the
> stores, buisnesses, etc, were shut down! We recieved 12.5" of snow
> between noon and 9pm. Bad For Most, Great for me! 'Cause I own a
> high-boy! My F-250 has a plow that I use to plow for cash but more fun
> its just fun to be out in a FORD 3/4 ton 4x4 with Brand New 33"
> BFGoodrich Radial Mud-Terrains during a SNOW EMERGENCY when everybody
> else is getting stuck in the ditches, etc. I must say its a feeling of
> confidence. I don't just laugh at those people in the little
> econo-cars. All though I do laugh but stop to help if they're still
> there. If they are I give 'em a yank back onto the pavement. I just
> thought I'd share the stats from last night.
>
> Total Cars 'Unstucked': 47
>
> Breakdown of Vehicles:
> Ch*vy cars and 4x2 trucks: 15 and 2
> Ch*vy 4x4's: 3
> Ford Cars and 4x2 trucks: 11 and 1
> Ford 4x4's: 0
> Dodge Cars and 4x2 trucks: 3 and 0
> Dodge 4x4's: 0 (There really aren't many Dodge's in this area)
> Foreign Cars and Trucks: 12
>
> I just thought I'd pass this info on, I thought it might be kind of
> interesting.
>
> p.s. I do this mainly as a service for those less fortunate (those with
> low ground clearance and 2 (or often in snow), 1-wheel drive. I don't
> accept donations from the people I pull. I don't need to when it snows
> (I made $325 yesterday plowing for 4 hours!)
>
> Nothing Else is FORD-TOUGH!
>
> Tyler Wilkins
> Milwaukee, WI
>
> '73 F-250 4x4, 4-speed, 360, stock 4:10's, 33" BFG's, Headers, Dual
> Exhaust, Superwinch hubs, Dual trucker anteneas, Uniden C.B., Pioneer
> deck and 200-watt amp, 2 12" subs in custom counsel between Bucket
> Seats!, toolbox, bedmat, 4 KC Daylighters, PRIMER GREY BODY, She ain't
> purdy yet but she can sure kick some A%$!!!!!!!!!!!!
> +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961 thru 1979 --------------+
> | Send posts to fordtrucks61-79 listservice.net, |
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:55:47 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Re: '77 351M vacuum line routing

>(BTW, if I send away for the build
>>data based on the VIN does the data include the emission
>>calibration number???).
>Yo Dale:
>Probably not. The problem is that calibrations changed pretty regularly,
>often for reasons that had nothing to do w/ build data.

After asking this question I remembered that the original motor in my truck
was a 302........duh! So in this case the build data wouldn't help
regardless of weather the emission calibration data is included or not.

>>After doing all of the above I found a used chilton's emissions
>>manual that includes all of the vacuum circuits for '79 & '80. The
>Wow, that's a great find! (I was thrilled when I got my Ford '84 Emissions
>Diagnosis manual.) What's the full title and ISBN of that manual?
>Enquiring minds wanna know!

The book is; "Chilton's Emission Diagnostic Manual includes Vacuum
Circuits" , Published 1980, ISBN 0-8019-6977-8. The cover is also printed
with "Professional Mechanics Edition".
The format is typical Chilton's covering all makes, 544 pages, (Ford does
have the largest section though), it's divided into three sections,
System/Device descriptions, vacuum diagrams, and diagnostics. I bought it
because it had info that pertained to my truck and the price was right.

later,
Dale Carmine
'79 F-150 351M
York, Nebraska

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:55:47 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Re: '77 351M vacuum line routing

>(BTW, if I send away for the build
>>data based on the VIN does the data include the emission
>>calibration number???).
>Yo Dale:
>Probably not. The problem is that calibrations changed pretty regularly,
>often for reasons that had nothing to do w/ build data.

After asking this question I remembered that the original motor in my truck
was a 302........duh! So in this case the build data wouldn't help
regardless of weather the emission calibration data is included or not.

>>After doing all of the above I found a used chilton's emissions
>>manual that includes all of the vacuum circuits for '79 & '80. The
>Wow, that's a great find! (I was thrilled when I got my Ford '84 Emissions
>Diagnosis manual.) What's the full title and ISBN of that manual?
>Enquiring minds wanna know!

The book is; "Chilton's Emission Diagnostic Manual includes Vacuum
Circuits" , Published 1980, ISBN 0-8019-6977-8. The cover is also printed
with "Professional Mechanics Edition".
The format is typical Chilton's covering all makes, 544 pages, (Ford does
have the largest section though), it's divided into three sections,
System/Device descriptions, vacuum diagrams, and diagnostics. I bought it
because it had info that pertained to my truck and the price was right.

later,
Dale Carmine
'79 F-150 351M
York, Nebraska

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 19:55:59 -0800
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: Re: Diesel Pu's

At 06:30 PM 1/9/98 -0600, Tyler Wilkins wrote:
>I don't know what mad me think of this but when did Diesels become
>common motor's in light trucks? I don't think I've ever seen a 70's era
>Diesel, was this an 80's thing in light trucks or was this always
>around?

Ford had non-turbo diesels starting sometime in the '80s. Their resale is
lower than the gas motors, even though they cost more new. Ch**by had the
gawdaful 400 cid motor around the same time. Gale Banks made a good living
out of turbocharging these units (and still does okay.)

Dodge had an optional Mitsu diesel in the late '70s. It was quite gutless,
but ran forever and just sipped at the gas.

The modern (direct injected turbo-diesel) market in US light trucks really
began when Dodge started putting Cummins B5.9s in their otherwise outdated
1988 models and snagged a huge market increase. Soon after, Ford did their
Navistar deal for the Power Stroke and the market took off. Chevy still
stubbornly uses the GM 400 (6.2l), an indirect-injection unit that doesn't
really compare to either the Cummins or the Navistar.

Interestingly, the market really took off once Ford and Chrysler admitted
they didn't really understand diesels and outsourced them from established
medium/heavy duty truck OEM's. Cummins has been making Diesels since the
early 1900s and patented things like direct injection that we take for
granted today. I don't know much of the IH/Navistar history but I know it
goes way back as well. Thank God the smaller egos prevailed and we can now
buy _real_ truck engines, at least from Ford and Dodge.

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:07:15 -0600
From: Tyler Wilkins
Subject: Re: Ford Prevails Again!

> '78 F150 302, C-4 (engine and trans for sale, body is going on my
> Highboy)

What part of MN is Sunburg? How many miles on the set-up? Price?
2-wheel drive I'm assuming?

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:48:03 -0600
From: "Robert Mitchem"
Subject: Re: looking for 390 4bbl manifold

I have 3 4-V 390 intakes laying in my garage. I live on the Mississippi
Gulf coast. If interested let me know.
My dad has one in High Point, NC if that would be a shorter distance for you
to pick it up or I could ship you one UPS.
- -----Original Message-----
From: shoman p3.net
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Date: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 9:42 PM
Subject: looking for 390 4bbl manifold


>Looking for a factory 4 bbl 390 manifold...As told by the Pickup red book
>in the middle of 1974 all 390's got 4 barrels so these manifolds
>must be plentiful?????
>--
>Joe 1968 F-100 4x4 302 NP435 "Its not pretty but its gets me there"
> 1969 F-250 4x4 390 NP435 "Undecided Future"
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:06:21 +0100
From: "Gilles Hemberg"
Subject: Re: Looking for Ford T750 (1965) parts

Hi Garry,

> When you say wings, do you mean the fender extentions between the main
>fender and the running board or the piece between the cab and the running
>boards? I have access to a truck yard that has T750s in it of that
>vintage, and might be able to help.

I am looking for the following parts:

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* the front parts of the bodywork where the front-lights are placed in. It
should consist of 3 parts: left- & right-side parts and a center piece. I
need the left- and right-side parts (catalog numbers: C1TZ-8150-B and
C1TZ-8151-B).

* a part from within the engine: a protective shield behind the rotator for
radiator (catalog number: C4TZ-8146-D (SHROUD)).
- -----


I can only use the parts if they are not rusted through (ie. if there aren't
any holes in it). It doesn't matter if they are rusted only superficially:
we can fix that.


The bodywork number of our truck is: T75KU720372 (model T753; body 481);
built in 1965. I am sorry I talked about "wings", but the parts are for my
father who is trying to rebuild this truck (it is still in use) and I
misinterpreted his sayings (I am not a native English speaker either).

If you are still prepared to go over there and look into the trucks for
them, could you tell us how we should pay you, how you would send it, etc?....

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