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fordtrucks61-79-digest Wednesday, March 4 1998 Volume 02 : Number 122



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In this issue:

Re: 302 swap Thanks to all ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: 302 swap Thanks to all [Ken Payne ]
Re: 302 swap Thanks to all ["Bill Beyer" ]
ADMIN: Please read, very important [Ken Payne ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #120 [danadeb pacbell.net]
Response: ADMIN: Please read, very important [Ken Payne
Response: ADMIN: Please read, very important [Ken Payne
66 Window Crank {PLEASE HELP} ["Brian Forbes" ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #120 [Serian ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #120 ["Deacon" ]
Re: 66 Window Crank {PLEASE HELP} ["Deacon" ]
Engine Mounts [Dan Koster ]

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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:21:28 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: 302 swap Thanks to all

Actually 3.0L V-6 in the Taurus was not the same as the one in the Aerostar
except in c.i.d. The Taurus is a transverse mount fwd vs the longitudinal
mount Astar rwd. If the motor is out of a Taurus it ain't agonna bolt into
no Ranger!

The 3.0L from the Astar is a good motor. I have several friends who hav'em
and they work fine. Should be an EEC III or IV system and you need to check
the ignition stator and TFI module to make sure they have been swapped for
an updated model. Ford had some problems with the stator deteriorating
after a few K and causing some major driveability problems. Also the TFI
modules tended to go belly up and leave you stranded with no fire.

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> From: Ken Payne
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: 302 swap Thanks to all
> Date: Tuesday, March 03, 1998 8:14 PM

> Just pass it on to the next person needing help. BTW, anyone here
> know anything about Ford 3.0 V6s (used in mid 80s Aerostars and
> Taurus's)? I'm getting one (for free). It runs but it needs
> new mains, and the rear seal is leaking. Probably best to rebuilt
> it since its already out. This really doesn't belong on this
> group, but this group (of all 5) seems to have the best engine
> knowledge. I have a prospect for a Ranger that's cheap (has no
> engine).
>
> Ken
>
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Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 23:56:45 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: 302 swap Thanks to all

At 08:21 PM 3/3/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Actually 3.0L V-6 in the Taurus was not the same as the one in the Aerostar
>except in c.i.d. The Taurus is a transverse mount fwd vs the longitudinal
>mount Astar rwd. If the motor is out of a Taurus it ain't agonna bolt into
>no Ranger!
>
>The 3.0L from the Astar is a good motor. I have several friends who hav'em
>and they work fine. Should be an EEC III or IV system and you need to check
>the ignition stator and TFI module to make sure they have been swapped for
>an updated model. Ford had some problems with the stator deteriorating
>after a few K and causing some major driveability problems. Also the TFI
>modules tended to go belly up and leave you stranded with no fire.
>

I'm confused. There's a shop down the street, just put a
Taurus (don't know the year, has 75,000 miles on it) V6 into
a neighbors 86 Aerostar. I get the old Aerostar engine. I'm
fairly certain my leg isn't being pulled, its a good shop
and besides, I get the core - it would be easy to compare
engines.

Were there any year Taurus that used the same V6 as the 86
Aerostar? Can the mounting be switched? Other than the
mounts, are they the same?

Ken

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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:57:18 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: 302 swap Thanks to all

Hmmm... now I'm confused! I worked in a Ford dealership service department
from 86-88 and maybe I'm going senile! I'll have to do some checking and
get back to you.

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> From: Ken Payne
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net

> Subject: Re: 302 swap Thanks to all
> Date: Tuesday, March 03, 1998 8:56 PM
> I'm confused. There's a shop down the street, just put a
> Taurus (don't know the year, has 75,000 miles on it) V6 into
> a neighbors 86 Aerostar. I get the old Aerostar engine. I'm
> fairly certain my leg isn't being pulled, its a good shop
> and besides, I get the core - it would be easy to compare
> engines.
>
> Were there any year Taurus that used the same V6 as the 86
> Aerostar? Can the mounting be switched? Other than the
> mounts, are they the same?
>
> Ken

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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 00:27:59 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Please read, very important

I'm posting this email to ask for opinions on an issue. I will
respect the opinions of the list members regarding this matter,
just like I have with all other past votes. Your opinion, for
or against this issue will not hurt my feelings.

Anyways... the issue:

Last week, a vendor approached me (via email) and asked about
advertising in the digest version of the lists. The ads they
are requesting would not appear on the live lists but at the
top of each digest just below the table of contents. As an
example:

"
- --------------------- [ Sponsor's Message ] ------------------
Foobar Ford Performance Products is pleased to announce the
addition of new roller cams for 302 V8s. These cams, when
combined with Foobar's push-rods and valve trains offer higher
horsepower and torque.

For more information, visit Foobar at:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.foobar.com
When ordering, state you saw their sponsorship message for a
5% discount.
- -------------------------------------------------------------"

The ads, like the example, would be simple and to the point.
Neither would I personally promote the products.

I really need feedback on this. To post your opinions on the
matter, send an email to fordtrucks mindspring.com. I will
forward all the messages to the all the lists. Again, do
**NOT** send your opinions to the list, send them to
fordtrucks mindspring.com. I'm doing this so I can forward
the posts to all the lists since this affects all of them.
Your emails should appear on all the lists within 24 hours of
sending them. Also, when replying to opinions on this, send
the replies to: fordtrucks mindspring.com

If members feel this issue may be appropriate I'll put a voting
form on the web site. If the members are overwhelmingly against
it then it will not be voted on.

This would also mean that I would revise the charter to allow
this. Since the beginning, I've maintained that our lists would
be free from vendor influence. Its up to the list members to
decide if a sponsorship message of this type is considered
influence.

We're about to get more window stickers printed (we have 4 left)
and we'll soon get estimates for T-shirts so the advertising
money would help. However, we're aren't hurting either. Your
opinions concerning this matter are welcome.

Lastly, as an option on the voting form (if we end up needing one)
we could state that we would do a trial run to see how it works.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 21:35:56 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #120

Dave Williams wrote:

>
> The cab is the strongest, safest part of a pickup truck,

Sorry I have to disagree. In a rollover the cab is likely to tweak ( like a
parallelogram => /____/ )and in such a case the filler hose / neck might
shear / rip off and spray fuel all over the inside of the cab. I think I saw
safety films showing this once.

IMHO, between the frame rails is the safest place ( not outboard of the frame
rails like the chevy's )


> which is why
> Ford started putting fuel tanks there 75 years ago.

So why did they stop?


Dana

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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 00:43:31 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Response: ADMIN: Please read, very important

Posted to the 97+ list, forwarded to the others:

>I think that if it will help pay for atleast the cost of the mailing
>list, go for it!!
>--
> James Howard
>(The 15 Year Old!!)
>
>Webmaster of Solomons Island on The Web
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>
>We now do advertising.
>Please check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://solomons.home.ml.org
>and click on Advertising!!
>

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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 00:49:20 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Response: ADMIN: Please read, very important

Posted by bgap RAPIDNET.COM on the 1980-1996 list, forwarded to the
others:
>Ken Payne wrote:
>>
>> I'm posting this email to ask for opinions on an issue. I will
>> respect the opinions of the list members regarding this matter,
>> just like I have with all other past votes. Your opinion, for
>> or against this issue will not hurt my feelings.
>>
>> Anyways... the issue:
>>
>> Last week, a vendor approached me (via email) and asked about
>> advertising in the digest version of the lists.
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>THANK YOU.
>
>Tony.

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 00:22:45 -0600
From: "Brian Forbes"
Subject: 66 Window Crank {PLEASE HELP}

What is the name for the bushing that goes between the crank arm and the
glass? Mine broke tonight and I cant remember what it is called. I know
after someone tells me what it is I'll say "Hey. I knew that". Also, does
Ford still carry this item? I bought four of them about 8 or 9 yrs ago from
a local dealership, and now I cant find them.

Thanks in advance,
Brian

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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 15:32:55 -0500
From: Serian
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #120

A listmember wrote:
>I can't help with specifics since I don't have any 67/68's anymore
>but the 302 is somewhat shorter than the I6 so it stands to reason
>that the tranny would have to move forward several inches to put the
>engine mounts where they belong.

I am unfamiliar with the '67/''68 setup, but on my '83, there are different
brackets for the 300 and the 302. The brackets for the 302 mount slightly
behind where the ones for the 300 do, since the 300 is longer. I would be
under the assumption that the transmission would have to be mounted in
the same place regardless of the engine used. It stands to reason that since
for example, a C6 would have been bolted up to maybe a 300, or a 302, or
a 390, or a 460 depending upon what engine option you wanted, and the
shift linkage all bolts on the same place on the frame regardless of whats
in it,
if its a shorter V8 in the truck, the mounts would be bolted on a little
further
back on the frame than would those for the I6.

Just my take on it ...

== Serian

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 00:28:36 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #120

>Dave Williams wrote:
>
>>
>> The cab is the strongest, safest part of a pickup truck,
>
>Sorry I have to disagree. In a rollover the cab is likely to tweak
like a
>parallelogram => /____/ )and in such a case the filler hose / neck
might
>shear / rip off and spray fuel all over the inside of the cab. I think
I saw
>safety films showing this once.

I agree with Dave. My father didn't see a stop sign and was
broadside by an other truck going over 60 mph. My fathers early '60s
Ford truck flipped several times and the cab was damaged severely. The
gas tank and filler hose stayed together and unharmed. luckily my father
walked away unhurt. My father-in-law in an early '50s Dodge truck was
hit by a train just before Teddi and I were married. Luckily he also
walked away, hurt but alive. Needless to say the cab of his truck was as
tweaked as it could be. You could hardly tell it was once a truck.
Again, the gas tank and filler hose stayed together and unharmed.

>> which is why
>> Ford started putting fuel tanks there 75 years ago.
>
>So why did they stop?
>
>
>Dana

It's really simple. It scared people. When I first bought my '73
F100 I was glad that the tank was in the rear, it gave me room behind my
seat. Now I'm not all that happy with it. There will never be a gas
shortage as long as my truck puts $2 back in the ground with every $15
that goes in the tank. I've changed the filler neck and vent line. Even
using the old type pumps gas comes up the filler neck. It's not worth
dropping the tank to fix. My '76 F350 has the tank in the cab. Fills
without a problem, all the vent lines are good doesn't have a dent in
it.
My feeling is, there is no danger having the tank inside the cab. I
feel having the tank in the cab it's less likely to have problems. I
also feel if a person is uncomfortable with the tank in the cab, they
should move it.


Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 00:44:29 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: 66 Window Crank {PLEASE HELP}

>What is the name for the bushing that goes between the crank arm and
the
>glass?
>Thanks in advance,
>Brian

Window regulator roller. That is if your talking about the wheel that
rides in the channel that's attached to the window.


Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 02:04:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Koster
Subject: Engine Mounts

Since we're all on the subject of engine mount problems, I'm wondering....


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