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fordtrucks61-79-digest Tuesday, March 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 120



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In this issue:

Re: Code 13 on 1978 [John MacNamara ]
390/428 Flywheel [am14 chrysler.com]
Axle code 16 HELP [shoman p3.net]
Re: Axle code 16 HELP [John MacNamara ]
Re: 460 cooling problems ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: 302 swap ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: biggest size stock tire [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #119 [Lee Craner ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #119 [Tyler Wilkins ]
Helm Ford Truck Service Manuals ["Abajo, Ed" ]
Re: Code 13 on '78 ["Dale and Donna Carmine" ]
302 swap [Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)]
Re: biggest size stock tire ["Bill Beyer" ]
351M oil capacity [Ken Payne ]
Chevy Definitions [Ken Payne ]
question on Helm [shoman p3.net]
Re: 351M oil capacity ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: 302 swap ["Deacon" ]
Re: 351M oil capacity ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: 302 swap [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: 390/428 Flywheel [Shelektric ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #119 [danadeb pacbell.net]
FT V2 #116, Manuals [Alan Mittelstaedt / Chad Dailey ]
Re: 302 swap [danadeb pacbell.net]

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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 06:17:27 -0800
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: Code 13 on 1978

Warren Anderson wrote:

> Does anybody know what a Code 13 is on a 1978 rear axle? I have two books
> telling me different things.
>
> Warren
> F-100 351M

Warren: this indicates it's a 2.75 ratio. Capacity 3750 lbs.

Regards
John

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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:28:28 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: 390/428 Flywheel

Jeff writes; >>If you happen to have a 390 truck flywheel laying
around, could somebody measure the total diameter for me? (from the
outside of the ring gear teeth will be good enough). I just received a
428 flywheel, and it has a pretty big counterweight cast into it...I'm
pretty sure its out of a Mustang or Torino.
Before I get it resurfaced, etc., I want to double check that its the
same diameter of a truck flywheel.

Count the teeth. If memory serves me correctly, there should be 138
teeth on both.

Azie

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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 11:14:46 -0500
From: shoman p3.net
Subject: Axle code 16 HELP

Looking for owners of 78-79 ford trucks that have a shop manual
that can tell me what gears code 16 is for that year
Thanks
joe

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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 08:21:58 -0800
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: Axle code 16 HELP

shoman p3.net wrote:

> Looking for owners of 78-79 ford trucks that have a shop manual
> that can tell me what gears code 16 is for that year
> Thanks
> joe

Joe: Code 16 is a 3.50 ratio, capacity 3750 lbs.

Regards
John

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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:43:27 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: 460 cooling problems

> From: "Mike & Evan"
> Subject: 460 cooling problems
> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 07:38:55 -0600

> I was wondering if you all can help me out with the cooling
> system in my truck. I have a '75 F-250 4x4 that I recently put
> a 460 in. The problem is that it begins to overheat after
> driving 5 or so miles at highway speeds. I put on a new water

As some others have mentioned the fan doesn't affect cooling above
low vehicle speeds but water pumps do, thermostats do and radiators
do.

The optional "super cool" in 78 was a 4 tube modine measureing 26 x
24 x 4" and was standard on 400 or 460 applications and some A/C
applications. It's a very large radiator but some have complained
that even it couldn't keep their 460 cool. I used a 3 core from an
88 van with 351W hypo engine for my 460 and it works fine but the
original 351W radiator was very inadequate and caused the same
problems you describe on a hot day.

There is one other possibility however that I ran into mysefl because
I didn't understand something about wet manifolds and 460's. The
heater coolant lines complete the coolant path when the thermostat is
closed and must be kept open for this or the engine will over heat in
a matter of only a minute or so at speed but will idle a long time in
that condition without over heating. I was lazy and didn't want to
fool with the heater so I plugged the holes in the block and manifold
which blocked off the flow. Took me quite a while to figure out why
my engine was over heating so often. What really threw me off was
that once the water got hot enough the thermostat would open and it
would be ok then...........sheeeeeesh!

If your heater is hooked up correctly you can try to cool things down
by turning the heater on full blast and see if this helps cool the
engine. If it does you can be sure the radiator is inadequate for
one reason or another, either size or age.

You can have the radiator rodded for about half the cost of a new one
or recored but you still have the old corroded tanks. If you need to
get a new one take a look at "radiators direct" on the web, I hear
they have good prices and service.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:10:08 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: 302 swap

> From: Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 22:15:00 -0500
> Subject: 302 swap

> Sorry about all of the venting I am just really frustrated every
> juncture I come to seems to have yet another surprise for me. I
> guess the opinion here is that I should go back to the stock trans.
> location and make the mounts fit or find ones that do correct???

I can't help with specifics since I don't have any 67/68's anymore
but the 302 is somewhat shorter than the I6 so it stands to reason
that the tranny would have to move forward several inches to put the
engine mounts where they belong. Some engine mounts can be reversed
so the mount stud is in a different relative position to the engine
and thus the frame mount. Some tranny mounts can be reversed with
the same result so it may take a combination of these. Since the 302
is shorter the radiator location should not be an issue. longer fan
extensions are available for this. There may also be different
stancheons or frame brackets for V8's and I6's. They can't be
swapped to the other side due to different lengths etc..

I actually have a set of stancheons for a 67 2wd and a set for the
78. If I think about it tonight I'll take a look but this won't help
with a 4x4 application.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:42:05 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: biggest size stock tire

>What was the largest size tire that came stock of any truck of this lists
>era??
>
>What truck did it come on? I was thinking maybe a 235/75-16 ??
>
> OX

235-85-16 I think, that's the stock size tire for my 71 f250 4x4 (wasn't
that size back then, was a bias size of some kind, but anyway).



marko

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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:26:30 EST
From: Lee Craner
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #119

Ok, guys here is another inane question for you, as I try to find out more
about my recently purchased '73 F250. On the inside door pillar behind the
driver's seat, about 18" up from the floor pan is a round hole about 3" in
diameter. Surrounding this large hole is four machine screw sized holes in a
rectangular pattern.

The holes looks "factory." If so, what are the holes for?

Lee

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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 15:46:53 -0600
From: Tyler Wilkins
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #119

Lee Craner wrote:
>
> Ok, guys here is another inane question for you, as I try to find out more
> about my recently purchased '73 F250. On the inside door pillar behind the
> driver's seat, about 18" up from the floor pan is a round hole about 3" in
> diameter. Surrounding this large hole is four machine screw sized holes in a
> rectangular pattern.
>
> The holes looks "factory." If so, what are the holes for?
>

Behind the seat Gas Tank filler hose? I think those were higher than
18" though........

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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:36:08 -0800
From: "Abajo, Ed"
Subject: Helm Ford Truck Service Manuals

The URL for the Helm web page is: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http:// www.helminc.com

To contact them, according to their web page:

E-mail: Please provide your name, phone number, and publication(s)
information (make, model, and year) to orderdesk helminc.com. You will
be contacted by a Helm customer service representative. Toll Free:
1-800-782-4356 Fax: (313) 865-5927 We currently do not carry Chrysler
publications. Please contact Dyment Distributions at 1-800-348-4696.


What I purchased was the Ford 1973 Truck Service Manual (5 volume set in
4 books) for $43 + $6 shipping/handling. According to their web page,

Service Manual
Price Range: $50 - $210
Covers full maintenance and repair to engine and chassis components.
Also contains electrical information and specifications.
Note: Unless otherwise specified, both gasoline and diesel engines are
covered in appropriate year service manual.

Please note: if you change your mind about the books after you get
them, they charge a 10% or $10 re-stocking fee (whichever is greater)
and the shipping/handling charge is not refundable. They are the
official Ford service manuals (copyright Ford, 1973) and tell more than
you would think you would ever want to know about every Ford truck built
in that year --- from the Bronco through to the large diesel
trucks/buses.


> ----------
> From: danadeb pacbell.net[SMTP:danadeb pacbell.net]
> Reply To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 1998 2:36 PM
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: 1968 F10
>
> Contact Ed at "Abajo, Ed" he just purchased from
> Helm a
> NEW shop manual set for 50 bucks or so ( I paid 125 bucks for USED
> :( ) He
> should have the address URL or something.
>
> Dana
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:50:08 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Re: Code 13 on '78

Warren,

According to the '79 light truck shop manual, code 13 is for a ford 9",
3750lb capacity, 2.75 ratio conventional differential. I assume that the
data is consistent from year to year?????

later,
dale c

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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:27:31 -0500
From: Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)
Subject: 302 swap

Dana hit the nail on the head I talked to a guy at Ford and he says that
the date of the truck is Oct. 68 and at that time there was no 302
available therefore I could get the motor mounts to fit a 240, 300, 360
or 390 but 302 was'nt an option til later in the production year thus
the reason for all of the problems and the reason I've got 4 sets of
motor mounts. So this weekend I will be replacing the driveshaft without
adding length moving the motor back and putting the 73 mounts in and
drilling holes also I need to move the trans. mount back where it
belongs. Everything should go well from here on out looks like I passed
the biggest hurdle here. I do have a question about the center support
bearing on the driveshaft is this pressed on? If the bearing is good can
I just change the rubber mount part of it? Thanks for all of the advice
and help through this trying time I really appreciate it. Will update
later.

Duke's
Fine 69
F-100
302

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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:04:54 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: biggest size stock tire

My 79 F250 4X4 came stock with a 9.50X16.5E according to the door sticker.
Not sure what that equates to in a metric radial.

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> From: marko maryniak
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: biggest size stock tire
> Date: Monday, March 02, 1998 9:42 AM
>
> >What was the largest size tire that came stock of any truck of this
lists
> >era??
> >
> >What truck did it come on? I was thinking maybe a 235/75-16 ??
> >
> > OX
>
> 235-85-16 I think, that's the stock size tire for my 71 f250 4x4 (wasn't
> that size back then, was a bias size of some kind, but anyway).
>
>
>
> marko

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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 21:18:29 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: 351M oil capacity

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What sizeoil pans where avaliable for the 79 Bronco with 351 m engines?
I changed the oil and filter today and it took 7 quarts to fill to top
line on the stick. I thought the biggest pan was 6 quart, with filter.
I swapped the engine a while back with another 351M out of a 79 bronco
that had a long block motor replacement done by the previous owner
before he totaled it. The sticks may have gotten swapped. Could there be
a difference in the stick lengths.

I damaged the dipstick tube when swapping the motor and had to replace
it with one from a junkyard. I am not sure if it came out of a 351M
though. Could I have gotten a tube that was too long maybe??

I am getting oil leakage in the rear seal area. Would overfilling with
seven quarts of oil cause this?

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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 21:27:29 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Chevy Definitions

Someone emailed me a couple of funny Chevy/GMC definitions.
Thought some of you might enjoy them.

C heap
H ardly
E fflicent
V ehicle
R uns
O n
L uck
E very
T ime

G M C..... got mechanic coming

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:17:19 -0500
From: shoman p3.net
Subject: question on Helm

Awile back somebody posted that Helm had a clearance type area and
a phone # for Shop manuals they were liquadating (sp.) anybody
remember this and have the #...Or can I contact that dept thru
there regular phone #?
- --
Joe
Aka. Fordguy
1968 F-100 4x4 302 Np435 Bone Stock down to the wheel covers
1970 F-250 4x4 390 Np435 The Beast
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://web.p3.net/~shoman

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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:33:24 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: 351M oil capacity

- ----------
> From: Ken Payne
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: 351M oil capacity
> Date: Monday, March 02, 1998 6:18 PM

> What sizeoil pans where avaliable for the 79 Bronco with 351 m engines?
> I changed the oil and filter today and it took 7 quarts to fill to top
> line on the stick. I thought the biggest pan was 6 quart, with filter.
> I swapped the engine a while back with another 351M out of a 79 bronco
> that had a long block motor replacement done by the previous owner
> before he totaled it. The sticks may have gotten swapped. Could there be
> a difference in the stick lengths.
>
> I damaged the dipstick tube when swapping the motor and had to replace
> it with one from a junkyard. I am not sure if it came out of a 351M
> though. Could I have gotten a tube that was too long maybe??
>
> I am getting oil leakage in the rear seal area. Would overfilling with
> seven quarts of oil cause this?

My 79 F250 w/400M takes 6 quarts to bring it to the full line. There are
definitely different dipstick lengths but I can't help you with any
specifics. If the stick you got is too short or the tube is too long or
isn't all the way in the block you could certainly get a false reading. I
don't think that overfilling would cause a rear main leak but if the
counterweights on the crank start hitting the oil it won't be pretty!

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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:30:06 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: 302 swap

From: George Schott

>Dana hit the nail on the head

Dana is a great list member. To Dana and the other list members that
are so helpful answering questions, for taking time to look up
information for others. "Thank you". In answering questions for others
you've answered many for me also. With all the work Ken and Peggy do to
bring us this list, it would all be for nothing if not for the
dedication of our knowledgeable and loyal list members. Ken and Peggy
have worked hard to keep this list available and running. You have made
it successful!
My manual describes the carrier bearing as held in with a strap and
not pressed in. The bearing and rubber mounting as separate and
replaceable. I'm sure you'll receive more in-depth information from
others with better resources.
I do have a question concerning registration. Did they check your
frame number when you registered your truck? I wonder which number
prevails in identifying a vehicle. I don't suggest going to your local
DMV unless you want to know. If you'd like, I'll contact the California
Highway Patrol and ask. I can say I read the question in a Usenet group
and have no other information. Then post what they tell me.
The last thing I want to do is cause trouble. Honestly, I don't
cause trouble on purpose. It's like a gift I have! :) My wife calls it
my "sick sense of humor"!
Later!

Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:47:55 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: 351M oil capacity

- ----------
> From: Bill Beyer
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: 351M oil capacity
> Date: Monday, March 02, 1998 7:33 PM

> My 79 F250 w/400M takes 6 quarts to bring it to the full line. There are
> definitely different dipstick lengths but I can't help you with any
> specifics. If the stick you got is too short or the tube is too long or
> isn't all the way in the block you could certainly get a false reading. I
> don't think that overfilling would cause a rear main leak but if the
> counterweights on the crank start hitting the oil it won't be pretty!

I should clarify. Obviously there are different dipsticks for different
motors, but also for different vehicle configurations. I've never seen or
heard of 2 different dipsticks for the same year and model vehicle/engine.

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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 20:01:00 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: 302 swap

George Schott wrote:
>
> Dana hit the nail on the head I talked to a guy at Ford and he says that
> the date of the truck is Oct. 68 and at that time there was no 302
> available therefore I could get the motor mounts to fit a 240, 300, 360
> or 390 but 302 was'nt an option til later in the production year thus
> the reason for all of the problems


What can I say! ;-)

Dana

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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 22:57:43 EST
From: Shelektric
Subject: Re: 390/428 Flywheel

I just measures my 72' 390 fly wheel it is approx. 15 inches acrossed hope
this helps it came out of a 1 ton truck.

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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 20:09:10 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #119

Smog stuff????

My 70 shop manual says that a charcoal canister was mounted up, inside the door
pillar, about head height, on the drivers side, between the rear window and the
door, on smog controlled trucks.

Dana

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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 22:00:38 -0800
From: Alan Mittelstaedt / Chad Dailey
Subject: FT V2 #116, Manuals

Ray--

Try here. I had good luck.

Irv Bishko Auto Literature
14550 Watt Road
Novelty, Ohio 44072
(440) 338-4811

He seemed like a nice enough dude over the phone, and sent my books
right away. The stuff I got was absolutely first rate, but not dirt
cheap. I paid $25/volume for three volume set. He also has service
bulletins, parts books, owners manuals, and a bunch of other stuff. You
might try giving him a call. Hope I helped.....

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