fordtrucks61-79-digest Thursday, February 26 1998 Volume 02 : Number 113



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In this issue:

600 SVO short block kit and rubber port molds [Sleddog ]
Re: oil bath [Jean and Phillip Johnson ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #112 ["Harry Jennings"
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #112 ["Harry Jennings"
63 F-100 [Dan Koster ]
FE Parts [Dan Koster ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #110 [Jesus Cardoso
Coil Spring Question.... [shoman p3.net]
Wide Ratio C6,Line Locks, & F100 question ["Dave Walbeck"
Re: 63 F-100 [Don Grossman ]
Re: Coil Spring Question.... [Don Grossman ]
Re: Hood Clearance ["Dennis K. Austin" ]
Re: 63 F-100 [A64F100 aol.com]
Re: Coil Spring Question.... [Tony Marino ]
300-I6 manifolds ? [Serian ]
Attachments and just a little Ford stuff [Don Grossman
Re: 1973 Helm Ford Truck Service Manuals - 460 CID engine missing [danade]
Re: 600 SVO short block kit and rubber port molds [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #112 [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: Wide Ratio C6,Line Locks, & F100 question [Shelektric aol.com]
Re: Re:Re: Carburator Stuff & Gear Ratios ["Deacon" ]
Re: 300-I6 manifolds ? [Caradawc concentric.net]
Re: 600 SVO short block kit and rubber port molds [Caradawc concentric.ne]
turn signal switch ["Deacon" ]

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:32:54 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: 600 SVO short block kit and rubber port molds

hello all,

i just got a line on a 600 cube short block kit from SVO. i can get a good
deal on it, but the price is still steep, $5,000 with steel con rods.
divorce forced sale :( for him, :) for me!. was wondering if anyone has
had any experience with it, or other BIG long stroke big bore 460's.

any idea why ford lists a 0.045-0.050" deck to piston clearance on this
kit?

i have a set of blue thunder cast iron heads hogged out to a documented 388
cfm intake and 274 cfm exhuast. i will be running a "small" roller of 700
lift and 270 .050. port-o-sonic intake also completely ported and
researched on flow bench, with raised runners (nice epoxy job!) and matched
to heads. heads have 2.25 intake valves and 1.88 exhuast.

also, has anyone ever made rubber molds of ports? i would like to make
some, or templates (ooh, cardboard and scissors, just like kindergaten!) so
i can copy the ports to other heads in the future.

thanks for any help

sleddog

ps-know of any lists more orientated towards these questions?

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:28:05 -0600
From: Jean and Phillip Johnson
Subject: Re: oil bath

DC Beatty wrote:
>
> Hello list:
>
> I have a '67 F100 with a worn out 352. Lately I have been getting massive
> oil blowing up through the breather, which has a hose piped to the air
> cleaner. Oil fills up the air cleaner housing, and leaks down the front of
> the carb onto the intake. It's a mess!!
>
> I know the motor is worn out, and it has always blown some oil up through
> here, but lately (in the last two weeks) it seems like it got a-lot worse.
> I checked the PCV valve and it's working. My question is, is there
> something I am missing? What else, besides engine back-pressure, could be
> causing this? I can't afford a rebuild now and need to limp the motor along
> for at least the rest of this year.
>
> Any suggestions are appreciated in advance.
>
>Your engine is shot. You may have cracked rings and perhaps even cracked pistons. Does it have any power? With the amount of blow-by you're describing, I'd be surprised if you don't have some blown compression rings as well as oil rings. I don't think you should drive it like this. It's just a matter of time before something serious gives way in the engine and perhaps does irrepairable (sp) damage.

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:58:33 CST
From: "Harry Jennings"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #112

>No! The rules haven't changed Harry. I've been on the list a long time,
>so I know your not new. You finish the truck you were building? It's
>been a long time so I can't remember. It has a fuel injected cobra,
>right? It's good to hear from you again.
>
>
>Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net

Change? I never remember this rule!? But, that is why I asked.

Finished? Well, I have really gone overboard on this truck, but it is
done *for now.* Cobra engine? No. It has a 351SVO (yes, with EFI). I am
thinking about putting a Cobra engine into a Crown Vic, though.

Thanks,

Harry.

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:59:29 CST
From: "Harry Jennings"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #112

>No! The rules haven't changed Harry. I've been on the list a long time,
>so I know your not new. You finish the truck you were building? It's
>been a long time so I can't remember. It has a fuel injected cobra,
>right? It's good to hear from you again.
>
>
>Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net

Change? I never remember this rule!? But, that is why I asked.

Finished? Well, I have really gone overboard on this truck, but it is
done *for now.* Cobra engine? No. It has a 351SVO (yes, with EFI). I am
thinking about putting a Cobra engine into a Crown Vic, though.

Thanks,

Harry.

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:36:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Koster
Subject: 63 F-100

There's been a lot of talk of Unibodies lately. Maybe somebody out
there might know what axles are on my '63 F-100 2WD Longbed Unibody?
What are the possible axle ratios?

And a question for the experts... what size tire was recommended for
it originally?

Dan




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DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:50:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Koster
Subject: FE Parts

(below)



- ---BDIJXS aol.com wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I just went to swap meet here in Texas, and have seen a few things I
think
> some people on the list have been discussing...here goes!
>
> 62 F-250 Unibody truck, the entire truck, he said it runs,
almost!....$650
> Richard (940) 427-4291.

> Aluminum Ford 4-barrel intake manifolds for FE's, looked like they
were in
> good shape, two different guys, they each had three or four:
>
> Steve: (405) 692-4793
> Chris: (940) 552-0752


Have any idea what engines these manifolds were made for? (352, 360,
390...) What about the price?



> Colorado Jeff

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DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:11:21 -0600 (CST)
From: Jesus Cardoso
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #110

Glenn,

I believe you should get:
Classic Trucks
and
Custom Classic Trucks.

You should also get some catalgos, like Macs in NJ, Obsolete in
OK, etc.

I hope that helps.


On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Susan and Glenn Beck wrote:

> I have purchased my first 64 F100 to restore. Never have done this sort of
> thing before. What are y'all (Texan) suggestions for magazines I should be
> subscribing too.
>
> Glenn
> 64' F100
> 273K
>
>
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>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:26:25 -0500
From: shoman p3.net
Subject: Coil Spring Question....

Is there a difference between 2wd Coil Springs and 4wd Coils????
Or are they interchangeable???
Joe

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:29:24 PST
From: "Dave Walbeck"
Subject: Wide Ratio C6,Line Locks, & F100 question

Anyone know how to tell if the C6's in either of my 79 Bronco's are a
wide ratio? Also I have one of the line lock or brake locks that Azie
mentioned on my 76 F250 4x4 tow truck, I'm not sure what brand it is but
as soon as I can find out I'll post it, It seems to work fine for me.
And last question. Does anyone know if I can put the complete front end
setup (Brakes, steering linkage, I-Beams,etc.)from a 77 F150
and put it under a 66 F100 (I want to use the I beams because they have
new King Pins installed and it would be easier for me to swap the whole
thing) Reply's are appreciated.
Dave Complete and Total FORDNUT and Highboy nut too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:50:39 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: 63 F-100

Dan Koster wrote:
>
> There's been a lot of talk of Unibodies lately. Maybe somebody out
> there might know what axles are on my '63 F-100 2WD Longbed Unibody?
> What are the possible axle ratios?
>
> And a question for the experts... what size tire was recommended for
> it originally?
>
> Dan

9" rear, 28 spline axles. 3.50, 3.73, 3.89, 4.10 but there might be
others.

With 15 or 16" wheels?
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-100 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:53:49 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: Coil Spring Question....

shoman p3.net wrote:
>
> Is there a difference between 2wd Coil Springs and 4wd Coils????
> Or are they interchangeable???
> Joe

Yep. The 4x coils will be a little stiffer than the 2x coils. I am not
sure about how long they will be.
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-100 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:06:06 -0600
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: Re: Hood Clearance

Alright... where is Brian Milbrand, Tim Morehouse, Walter Adams, Dan
Hinton, Dennis Leone, Jim Morgan, and Patricia Moritz?

Because the guys did not reply to the issue of the studs at the radiator
wall that most cars have. You know those rubber tipped bolts that the
front of the hood rest on. Did the mid sixties ('65) trucks have them?
I see some beautiful '64-'66 trucks in the list pictorial. If so what
is the "approximate" height of the space/gap between the hood and the
fenders?

My hood not only has the release in the grill, but a hook that goes
through a square hole that must be pushed back so you can open the
hood. I am wondering if my hood is being pushed too far down in the
front, due to lack of these studs, causing the rear of the hood to pop
up a little.

Can somebody check their truck and see if these things actually where
used in those years? PLEASE!!!

Thanks!

- -=DENNIS=-

Oh.. by the way...I have pulled the only chrome F-100 oval logo from the
drivers side of the '66 in the junk yard. Its different than the one on
the passenger side of my '65. I would be willing to trade... Also, I
know where these are for a '66 F-250....

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:23:48 EST
From: A64F100 aol.com
Subject: Re: 63 F-100

In a message dated 98-02-25 22:50:48 EST, you write:


> there might know what axles are on my '63 F-100 2WD Longbed Unibody?
> What are the possible axle ratios?
>
> And a question for the experts... what size tire was recommended for
> it originally?
>
> Dan

9" rear, 28 spline axles. 3.50, 3.73, 3.89, 4.10 but there might be
others.

With 15 or 16" wheels?
-- >>

I've got a question about this... My '64 has a 3.73 limited slip rear, but
it's not a 9". I know this by the way the "pumpkin" looks.. The differential
cover unbolts from the rear, not the front like a 9". Did Ford change rears or
is this still a 9" I was just wondering...

Later,
Scott L

*Keep It Ford Blue*

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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 23:40:05 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: Coil Spring Question....

Depends Joe.

Stiffness, Absolutely. Year wise,

I had a '88 F-150 4x4 that I was going to put a lift kit under, and I
bought a set of superlift coils for the twin-I beam setup, and ended up
selling my truck before I put them in. I bought my '78 F-150 4x4 and
used them in there instead. I was happily surprised that they fit, when
my buddy wanted to lift his 2 wheel drive a little bit in the nose and
take the rake out of it, so I gave him my old 4x4 coils and he put them
in his '84. (had to change camber blocks though) But, from my
experience, from '73 and up to '96 they should all be the same
diameter/wrap at both ends considering these all fit in fine.

shoman p3.net wrote:
>
> Is there a difference between 2wd Coil Springs and 4wd Coils????
> Or are they interchangeable???
> Joe
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 00:36:53 -0500
From: Serian
Subject: 300-I6 manifolds ?

Gary wrote:
>You can get 2v or 4v manifolds for the 300 I6 but your current
>manifold probably won't work with anything but a single due to the
>mounting base. The 2v and 4v manifolds duct the mixture differently
>too so would be much better.

Where can I get these ?
I have a 300-I6 in my 83 F150, and the 1V just doesn't have such a great
response to sudden accelerator depression ...

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:44:40 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Attachments and just a little Ford stuff

Non-FTC

As a rule of thumb, for things that can be posted to the list, text and
ASCII art only. Some people have eMail readers that can't handle the
extras.

When the Digest is processed the "attachments" will most likely get
deleted and will be of no use or get converted and cause all kinds of
problems. This is just my understanding of the situation.

FTC

I am putting quick disconnects on for the jumper cables. No more
lifting the floormat to give people a jump start.

As to the hood hinge problems. The hindges have small plate about 3"
long that fits between two parts of the hinge. This is kind of hard to
explain without good pictures but I don't have a scanner yet (I would
set them up as an FTP, so don't even get started) that keep the
movements of the hinge correct. They act as a pivot in the center.
Anyway as the hinge ages the main pivots get weak the the two halfs
spread aparts( one side to the fender the other to the engine. If they
go to far this little plate will fall off the pivots its sandwiched
between. What this does then is allow the back half of the hinge to
come forward(think of it as bending backwards) under the strees of the
spring. There is a little catch on the hinge to keep it from going to
far. At this point you have to push the hood back to get it to close
correctly.

If the hinge condition gets worse the hinge will completely invert and
is a real pain to get back into shape. If anyone knows how to
recondition a hinge I have a set that really needs it. I have alread
tried the enforcer to "tighten" the pivots with no luck.

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-100 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:12:54 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: 1973 Helm Ford Truck Service Manuals - 460 CID engine missing

I think the 460 was a late model year thing, but if you have a 460 then the 74
books might be better. ( Order the 74 books and then "accidentally" send the 74
back with the 73 engine volume in place of the 74 ) ;-0 -----JUST JOKING-------



How much did you pay for the set?

Dana

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:24:34 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: 600 SVO short block kit and rubber port molds

600 CID:



me me me I want I want me me me!


Some is good, More is better, Too much is just right!

Dana

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:30:36 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #112

Harry Jennings wrote:
>
> No. It has a 351SVO (yes, with EFI).



Is that 351 SVO as in 351W SVO and are you in California. I own the the license
plate "351W SVO" if you are interested for the right price I would give them up.

Dana

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 01:42:40 EST
From: Shelektric aol.com
Subject: Re: Wide Ratio C6,Line Locks, & F100 question

in regards to the front end: do a quick mesurement to be sure but i do
beleave that everything should be almost a bolt in process you will have to
change the proportional valve to the one for disk brakes though

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:32:53 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: Re:Re: Carburator Stuff & Gear Ratios

From: Bill Beyer
> I think we've already covered the fact that a 2V adaptor isn't worth
even considering.

I have heard this for years and have wondered if it's because of the
adapters that are available or there is no way to make an adapter that
would benefit an engine. I've mostly had v8's so manifolds are available
to upgrade the intake.
Years ago a place built straight 6 bowties for Land Cruisers they
called 6=8. They used a custom made 4V intake on it. A friend had one
built for his Land Cruiser. The intake looked to me like they took a 2V
intake and cut out the flange and welded in a 4V flange. The idea seemed
OK in theory but the engine didn't last long enough to judge if it had
practical benefits.
Only lasting a week proved the engine was crap. In that short life I
must admit, it ran like a raped ape! I was just thinking what you and
the other members think about having a shop adapt the manifold for a
2bbl carburetor! I would think any machine shop could do it and it
shouldn't cost much more than buying an after market intake. In fact, I
would think much less.
This is ignorance at work. I have no idea if this is possible to do.
I'm just wondering if it is!
Later!


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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 01:11:39 -0800
From: Caradawc concentric.net
Subject: Re: 300-I6 manifolds ?

Serian wrote:

> Gary wrote:
> >You can get 2v or 4v manifolds for the 300 I6 but your current
> >manifold probably won't work with anything but a single due to the
> >mounting base. The 2v and 4v manifolds duct the mixture differently
> >too so would be much better.
>
> Where can I get these ?
> I have a 300-I6 in my 83 F150, and the 1V just doesn't have such a great
> response to sudden accelerator depression ...

Try Clifford Research, I used their 4 bbl manifold on my 292 cu in brand X
installed in a 70 Nova along with a 450 Holley and it worked great!
Surprisingly, I got better fuel economy with the 4bbl than the original
carb.

Rick Brewster
73 F-100, 460 by Lincoln

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 01:14:46 -0800
From: Caradawc concentric.net
Subject: Re: 600 SVO short block kit and rubber port molds

Sleddog wrote:

> hello all,
>
>

Snippo

> i have a set of blue thunder cast iron heads hogged out to a documented 388
> cfm intake and 274 cfm exhuast. i will be running a "small" roller of 700
> lift and 270 .050. port-o-sonic intake also completely ported and
> researched on flow bench, with raised runners (nice epoxy job!) and matched
> to heads. heads have 2.25 intake valves and 1.88 exhuast.
>

You have a set of blue thunder heads?? I...am...NOT...envious...(riiiiight, and
pigs fly)Rick Brewster
73 F-100, 460 by Lincoln

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 01:24:06 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: turn signal switch

My turn signal switch has passed being repairable and needs to be
replaced. I called every where before calling Ford. No one had it and no
one could get it. My local Ford dealer had one in stock. Having no
choice I paid $72.80 for a $5 turn signal.
Why do I need to replace non-safety related parts that work fine to
replace an inexpensive switch that not only needs to be fixed for safety
reasons but are required by law to work.
I'm happy I once made a derogatory remark toward Lawyers and was
shown the bigotry of my views. I know now there are only a few that give
many a bad name. I find comfort knowing the Attorneys we have on our....


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