fordtrucks61-79-digest Tuesday, February 24 1998 Volume 02 : Number 108



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In this issue:

Re: Ignition Disable Switch [ECampb5214 aol.com]
Re: fixing the ignion switch [ECampb5214 aol.com]
This sounds like the best i dea so far Truck theft [ECampb5214 aol.com]
Re: This sounds like the best i dea so far Truck theft ["Gary, 78 BBB"
Re: Carb swap, with much rejoicing! ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Unibody any Body ["Blackthorn Group, Inc." ]
To Edelbrock or not to Edelbrock? [Jesus Cardoso
Jokes... [sdelanty ]
Re: Stopping the Thieves.... [ECampb5214 aol.com]
Re: Carb swap, with much rejoicing! [sdelanty ]
ford body swap [Bruce Hart ]
Ford Fans. ["Harry Jennings" ]
RE: Clearances in hydraulic lifters [Sleddog ]
Re: ford body swap [tony dax.cc.uakron.edu]
Re: Ignition disable again ["Hogan, Tom" ]
Re: Stopping the Thieves.... [Tyler Wilkins ]
re: 61 F250 Unibody #s [JRFiero aol.com]
Carb Swap, FT V2 #107 [Alan Mittelstaedt / Chad Dailey
Spreadbore's [am14 chrysler.com]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #105 ["Dennis K. Austin"
Re: Jokes... [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: Engine Swap ["Jeff and Sheri Thomas" ]
FE Ports and Valves [BDIJXS aol.com]
Re: Carb Swap, FT V2 #107 ["Michael Connor" ]
Re: Grill Removal ["Dennis K. Austin" ]
Re: Ignition disable again [danadeb pacbell.net]
stock deck height? [mongo ]
Seeing The Light [Jim Craig ]
Re: Seeing The Light [Caradawc concentric.net]

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:26:49 EST
From: ECampb5214 aol.com
Subject: Re: Ignition Disable Switch

Hi
Common sense would say that a thief wouldn't want to be noticed, right?
So what i did was make my truck loud, and beautiful, something that someone
can't resist but to stare at. especially if its loud the cops get involved in
it ( i proved that the other night). JC whitney co sells a tailpipe "valve"
that lets you swap between your reg. exhaust and open headers. You can mearly
switch to the open position when you leave your truck for the night, and a
would be theif starts the truck, its a regular alarm.

Ethan

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:49:46 EST
From: ECampb5214 aol.com
Subject: Re: fixing the ignion switch

Why not have to ignition switches? A dummy - and the real one in your own
secluded place.

Ethan

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:53:19 EST
From: ECampb5214 aol.com
Subject: This sounds like the best i dea so far Truck theft

Rab
Wrote

Just stepped in so excuse me if i'm rehashing nothing new. What about
the "brake locks". Your brake lines are plumbed into a barrel lock.
You step on your brakes, turn the key and voila your brakes are locked.
I've got a topless Toyota land cruiser and on two occasions pranksters
have hopped in it and pushed it down the road a few blocks so I thought
this brake lock coupled with a kill switch might do it. Summit Racing
Equip. has it.


this case senario the truck aint going no where.

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:13:48 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: This sounds like the best i dea so far Truck theft

> From: ECampb5214 aol.com
> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:53:19 EST
> Subject: This sounds like the best i dea so far Truck theft

>> Just stepped in so excuse me if i'm rehashing nothing new. What
>> about the "brake locks". Your brake lines are plumbed into a
>> barrel lock. You step on your brakes, turn the key and voila your
>> brakes

> this case senario the truck aint going no where.

Maybe, maybe not. These things bleed down over time so are meant for
short term applications. I don't think I would trust them to secure
my truck, say , overnite?? I have considered them too but I think it
would be too chancy. Anyone have first hand experience with these?

The locks on vehicles equipped with air brakes are a no brainer since
it requires air pressure to RELEASE them rather than the other way
such as hydraulics. Virtually all air brake equipped vehicles have
these to use as a parking brake. Interesting thing about air brakes
is that when they start going out you HAVE TO FIX THEM right now
since there is no way to put more pressure on them with the pedal and
pumping them does no good since there is nothing to pump up :-(

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:27:42 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Carb swap, with much rejoicing!

> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:03:07 -0800
> From: Kurt Albershardt
> Subject: Re: Carb swap, with much rejoicing!

> >The Edelbrock is a Carter AFB and will replace a square Holley. I
> >think
>
> I thought I saw something on this list about the Edelbrock carbs
> being OEM'd from Weber.
>
> Am I hallucinating?

Nope, edelbrock modified design of carter design, made by webber for
edelbrock :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:50:08 -0700
From: "Blackthorn Group, Inc."
Subject: Re: Unibody any Body

Hey Don,

Thanks for the reply on the '61, F250. I live in Portland, OR but the
truck's near Corvallis.

It's got about 108,000 miles on it and runs very well but I'm wrestling
with some electical problems (it sat in out at my brother-in-law's farm
yard for about 5 yrs. before i got to it).

The bed and body are in excellent shape; it has some cancer around the
inner door body step plates, some around the roof and in the floor but not
un-repairable. It has some sheet metal damage around the left front but
I've got almost all the replacement parts to replace that. The bed and
supporting sheet metal is all in good shape with only surface rust most
places. Tailgate also has some rusted out spots but looks like it's
repairable with some sectioning of new metal in places. Both tailgate
locking handles work well and the gate fits and works perfectly.

All the glass is good except for some seal deterioration. The radiator's
good and the engine doesn't show major smoking or leakage of any fluids.

All in all, it's in fine repairable condition. My delima is, do I dive in
and do a big time, complete resto or must patch it up? If I could get some
info on how many were made, if it's rare or scarce and if it would warrant
a more in depth reconditioning, I'd do it. But I'd like somebody to give me
some info on that.

Thanks,
DW

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:03:44 -0600 (CST)
From: Jesus Cardoso
Subject: To Edelbrock or not to Edelbrock?

Howdy!

I want to replace my Holley two barrel in my '63 with an
Edelbrock. I went to my local NAPA store and they told me Edelbrock does
not make a two barrel. Therefore they suggested that I use an adapter for
it. Needless to say I am afraid to look for a four barrel intake for
my 292, I am more afraid of the cost than anything.
Does anyone know the consequences of putting a four barrel
adapter in a two barrel intake? Can I expect a lot better performance
along with a lot more gas being burned?
One of the main reasons I want to replace the carb is to see if
the problem that I am having with the truck dying at idle during cold, wet
mornings goes away.

Thanks,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Jesus Cardoso, a.k.a. Chuy
Graduate Research Assistant (Power System Automation Lab)
Dept. of Electrical Engineering, Texas A&M University
College Station, TX 77843-3128
w: 409-845-4623, h: 409-775-0737, fax: 845-6259
Personal Address: P.O. Box 2214, College Station, TX 77841-2214
e-mail: cardoso ee.tamu.edu, url: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ee.tamu.edu/~cardoso



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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:09:31 -0800
From: sdelanty
Subject: Jokes...

My deepest apologies folks... That last post went to the WRONG place!

Sorry,

Steve

"Remember, with lunacy comes responsibility;
we have a duty to make life at least a little more
surreal for those whose lives make too much sense."
-- Trygve Lode

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:45:40 EST
From: ECampb5214 aol.com
Subject: Re: Stopping the Thieves....

Dennis all a club well do is keep you from turning left to a certain degree.
And most "glow in the dark" type devices stop glowing after 5 minutes, and
fade from the sun after a couple of months, no the club is a temporary fix for
a never ending problem.

I do not know if you guys have heard, but the makers of "The Club" are
now making models that glow in the dark. The reason is that they found
out some people in the dark are busting windows and then noticing the
club on the wheel. Now before they bust the window they will see the
club glowing there...

By the way... for you guys that are interested. There is a clearance
store here in Bossier City that has about a hundred yellow "Clubs" for
trucks priced at $9.99 each. I might be able to do something for those
interested by postal money orders. However, I will need to see what it
will cost for packaging and shipping by snail mail.

Let me know!

- -=DENNIS=-
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:13:59 -0800
From: sdelanty
Subject: Re: Carb swap, with much rejoicing!

>From: Kurt Albershardt
>Subject: Re: Carb swap, with much rejoicing!
>
>At 09:20 AM 2/23/98 -0500, George Herpich wrote:
>>
>>The Edelbrock is a Carter AFB and will replace a square Holley. I think
>
>I thought I saw something on this list about the Edelbrock carbs being
>OEM'd from Weber.

Yes, OEM'd from Weber. My Edelbrock has the big Weber "W" insignia on it.
Weber knows how to design/build some mighty fine carbs! I've owned several
sets of IDA's and DCNF's and loved them.
Sure do like my Edelbrock too. Easy to tune and doesn't leak...

>Am I hallucinating?

Uhhh, dunno. But You've got the carb thing right!


Steve

"Remember, with lunacy comes responsibility;
we have a duty to make life at least a little more
surreal for those whose lives make too much sense."
-- Trygve Lode

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:13:10 -0500
From: Bruce Hart
Subject: ford body swap

Tony Marino: When I was looking for cab mounts for my 1969 F-350 I found
that all the 73 and newer were mounted between the frame rails at the
back and my cab mounted on separate brackets riveted to the outside of
the frame rail.This would mean that nothing for the mounts would line up
on the cab or the mounts.I don't know if all 67-72's are like this but
mine is and it didn't look like an easy modification to me,wish it
was,finding good 69 cab mounts around here is like finding the
proverbial needle in a haystack.Hope this helps-Bruce

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:17:37 CST
From: "Harry Jennings"
Subject: Ford Fans.

Hello all,

I was just looking through the new issue of "Truck, Race, Cycle and Rec.
and I found this GREAT truck. I will just type the ad:

1947 Ford COE. 18ft. of frame laoding space, 71,000 miles, 12 volt,
overhauled engine, original flat head, '59 AB, one nice old truck.
$3,500. (208) 459-8123. CALDWELL, ID. [Not too far from me.]

I get nothing from the sale of this truck! I just REALLY liked it!!!

I know this truck doesn't really fit for the correct years of this list,
but....:)

Actually, I thought it would make a great "transport" truck. I mean,
what better to drive across the country in and haul back that next Ford
project on?

I really like the look of this old truck and wish I had the money.
However, I just bought three project cars last year. No, I am not rich.
I got them at a police auction and went in 1/2 with a friend. (Plus they
were CHEAP!)

If you are wondering, the ex-cop cars are a Ford Crown Vic, a Caprice
sedan and a Caprice wagon. I am thinking about a 32V Cobra engine for
the Crown Vic. Did you know Ford MotorSports is offering this engine as
a crate engine now? It will be a what-if-Ford-built-an-answer-
to-the-Impala-SS?

Before you go crazy about the "other" cars jump over to
"http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www2.tscnet.com/~adesso/frames.htm"

The plans for the Caprice sedan are simple; just an SS clone.

The Caprice Wagan will become a "woodie." There is a picture of this at
the web site I gave.

The web site is owned by Chris Vetters. Once there click on
'automobiles.' You will then see his RX-7. A RX-7? Yes, but it is
powered by a FORD 302! BTW, it is for sale (which, again, I get nothing
for the sale of)

. Keep Clicking on 'next' and you will see his next project, his
"Comvert." It is a convertible Commet that will have a Falcon front
grafted onto it. It will also have a turbo V6 form a T-Bird. Keep
following pages and you will come up to the section of his drawings. The
first one is the one he did for me (my Caprice Wioodie). I know this os
a Ford list, but I think any gearhead will like it...I hope.

Harry.



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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:02:03 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Clearances in hydraulic lifters

here's a copy of a message i received from someone else about 1yr ago, but
i never investigated the truth as i decided to get a roller cam. anyone
else heard of these?

> these lifters, they are hydraulic cam lifters adjusted as solids? if so,
send me more info as i have never heard of it!
>
> sleddog

Hey sleddog,

Thanks for replying to my posting. The lifters I am using are
Competition Cams Pro Magnum hydraulic lifters. The instructions say they
are to only be used with an adjustable valve train and that lash must be
set at .002-.004 hot. These lash adjustments should be made just like
the adjustments for a solid lifter camshaft. I had been running Rhoads
lifters but they were to noisy. I have an adjustable valve train and the
guy at Summit told me these were the right lifters to use. Sounds
strange but I'm going to try them out.



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From: am14 chrysler.com[SMTP:am14 chrysler.com]
Sent: Monday, February 23, 1998 11:11 AM
To: Fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Clearances in hydraulic lifters

Gary states: I've never seen any hydraulics which required
clearance, has anyone else??

Neither have I.

Azie






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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:02:12 -0500 (EST)
From: tony dax.cc.uakron.edu
Subject: Re: ford body swap

Hmm.. I heard that high-boy's were a narrower frame. My buddy has a '72
that we are restoring, and it's the same as my '78. Thats why I assumed that '67-up were the same. Can somebody shed a little light on this?

Thanks!

Tony Marino

> Tony Marino: When I was looking for cab mounts for my 1969 F-350 I found
> that all the 73 and newer were mounted between the frame rails at the
> back and my cab mounted on separate brackets riveted to the outside of
> the frame rail.This would mean that nothing for the mounts would line up
> on the cab or the mounts.I don't know if all 67-72's are like this but
> mine is and it didn't look like an easy modification to me,wish it
> was,finding good 69 cab mounts around here is like finding the
> proverbial needle in a haystack.Hope this helps-Bruce
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:17:08 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: Re: Ignition disable again

Way back when my wife was my girlfriend, she had an ignition disable
system. It had a locking box with the key, and armored cable that went
into the engine compartment and locked the hood, and a wire that went to
the negative side of the coil (if I remember right). When engaged it
would simply ground the negative side of the coil which is what the
points do to fire the plugs. Since the negative side is then always
connected to ground and not interrupted the magnetic field never
collapses and there is never a spark to the plugs.

If I am wrong and grounding the negative side of the coil is BAD let me
know. I'm just throwing it out as one of my experiences. The advantag
to this system is you don't have to cut anything. Just add another wire
to the coil post. The disadvantage is that all you have to do to
disable it is remove the extra wire from the coil post. (Believe me
that knowledge saved my butt when I was in BFE without the cut out key
and locked the cut out from habit. :0) ).

Tom H
San Francisco, California
76 F-150 SuperCab 390FE
96 Windstar 200 hp 3.8L (Wife's Hot Rod)

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:23:18 -0600
From: Tyler Wilkins
Subject: Re: Stopping the Thieves....

There is a clearance
> store here in Bossier City that has about a hundred yellow "Clubs" for
> trucks priced at $9.99 each. I might be able to do something for those
> interested by postal money orders. However, I will need to see what it
> will cost for packaging and shipping by snail mail.

I would be interested in one if the shipping ain't too bad! Let me know
if you find out how much it would be.

Tyler Wilkins
Milwaukee, WI

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:29:51 EST
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: re: 61 F250 Unibody #s

Redbook says:

61 F250 Styleside, 2x4 10008
4x4 149

Just a little note about another inaccuracy in this book. In discussion of
61s it says "The new Styleside was available on the F-150s and the F-250s
only, and the old-style separate cab and box were mandatory with the F-350s."
However, it lists production figures and prices for Styleside F-350s. Go
figure.

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:52:47 -0800
From: Alan Mittelstaedt / Chad Dailey
Subject: Carb Swap, FT V2 #107

> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:03:07 -0800
> From: Kurt Albershardt
> Subject: Re: Carb swap, with much rejoicing!
>
> At 09:20 AM 2/23/98 -0500, George Herpich wrote:
> >
> >The Edelbrock is a Carter AFB and will replace a square Holley. I think
>
> I thought I saw something on this list about the Edelbrock carbs being
> OEM'd from Weber.
>
> Am I hallucinating?

No hallucinations, unless you ordered the wrong mushrooms on your
pizza. Both of you are correct. Edelbrock used the Carter AFB
(Aluminum Four Barrel) design as a base for their carburetor (it remains
mostly unchanged), and contracted with Weber to manufacture it. For
most applications, the Edelbrock Performer carbs ARE Carter AFB's. I
have heard that most parts interchange, with a few exceptions, but that
is unverified. Anyone else care to comment?

Chad

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:47:09 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Spreadbore's

Gary wrote: >>The carter Thermo Quad, Rochester, or Holley 4165/75
will all fit the same spread bore manifold flange so we still have some
choices. AFAIK, of these three, only the rochester was ever used on a
ford :-)

Yo Gary!!! How about the Autolite Spreadbore I have on my '76 Vintage
out of a Merc.??? The book calls it out as factory.

Azie

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:50:32 -0600
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #105

Hello Ben!

Look below and you will see this message on every post that tells you
how to get off the list. You have to take yourself off. Nobody will do
it for you.

Just a member...

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:09:13 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Jokes...

I almost flamed you but I resisted ;-)


Boy am I glad I deleted the flame before sending it!!! ;-)

Dana

P.S. Wasn't mush of a flame anyway! More of a return joke!

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 21:12:46 -0500
From: "Jeff and Sheri Thomas"
Subject: Re: Engine Swap

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supeceding part #'s through Ford. I just did this swap and my dealer =
crossed all the #'s for me.
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both angle back very drastically (noticable). Use the only two holes at =
the top of perch on D.S. and the very bottom set of holes on the =
bottom. The P.S. perch use the two holes furtherst back( there should be =
Three) on the top and the same very bottom holes on the bottom. Any.old =
truck or car 302 rubber mount with the STUD that goes throught the =
perchs will work. Hope this helps.
Jeff
sthomas wcoil.com
JT Racin'

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 21:13:12 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FE Ports and Valves

Hello Experts,

If a person wants low-end power and torque, they would want a set of cylinder
heads in a 428 FE with:

A) Small intake ports, small valves (like the FT's)

OR

B) Small intake ports, bigger valves (say, Cobra-Jet size)

I keep hearing the bigger valves are better for this application, but since
the FT's are designed for low-end (I'm assuming here) and have the small
valves, I'm left wondering....

I think I can visualize what's happening in both scenarios as far as air
flow/speed is concerned, but I don't really know the end result of each....

Any insights here?

Thanks!

Colorado Jeff

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:20:25 -0700
From: "Michael Connor"
Subject: Re: Carb Swap, FT V2 #107

>No hallucinations, unless you ordered the wrong mushrooms on your
>pizza. Both of you are correct. Edelbrock used the Carter AFB
>(Aluminum Four Barrel) design as a base for their carburetor (it remains
>mostly unchanged), and contracted with Weber to manufacture it. For
>most applications, the Edelbrock Performer carbs ARE Carter AFB's. I
>have heard that most parts interchange, with a few exceptions, but that
>is unverified. Anyone else care to comment?


Yep, I have a Carter (#9637) on my 460. Used it on my 400 before that.
I've gone down to the local speed shop and bought most all the
Edelbrock innards pieces (jets, springs, metering rods, etc.) and they work
in
my Carter just fine. In fact, the Edelbrock pieces have a much more concise
part numbering system than Carter did.

Check out the Edelbrock web site - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.edelbrock.com
They have a great deal of good technical info on their carbs.


Cheers,

Mike
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:21:13 -0600
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: Re: Grill Removal

A '65 F-100 hs shown up in the U-Pull It yard here in town with a good
Chrome Grill. Just what I need for my truck!!! I am going out there in
the morning to get it. This evening I started taking mine apart just to
see what difficulties I might run into. Boy did I ever... There
appears to be some steel stock in front of the radiator ( bottom side).
Two bolts come up into the bottom of the grill. Looking at this
arrangement I see two slots, too small for a 1/2 open end to slide down,
where the bolt heads are located. The bolt heads are about 2 inches
down inside this steel "channel". Even if I could get a wrench on the
bolt heads there is not enough clearance there to back out the bolts as
they will run into this steel.

Has anyone on the post done this before? Do you know of an easy way to
do this? I really want this chrome grill. Will I have to pull the
bumper, and the plate behind the bumper, which is bolted to the
fenders? I have been told that I can have the grill for $20.00 with the
headlight bezels. So, give me some help here guys.

I am going in the morning. I will check e-mail to see if somebody has
answered just before I go.

Thanks!

- -=DENNIS=-

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:35:36 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Ignition disable again

Hogan, Tom wrote:
>

> into the engine compartment and locked the hood, and a wire that went to
> the negative side of the coil (if I remember right). When engaged it
> would simply ground the negative side of the coil which is what the
> points do to fire the plugs. Since the negative side is then always
> connected to ground and not interrupted the magnetic field never
> collapses and there is never a spark to the plugs.



Now that's a great idea. If you have a tach then just attach a wire under the
dash to the tach lead that goes to the coil run it through the hidden switch
then to ground. ( make sure that the wire from the coil to the tach is a heavy
enough gauge to handle the load from the coil )

Grounding the dist side of the coil should not hurt anything. Might burn up the
coil after a long time if the switch was grounded and the ignition was on but I
doubt it. In an old point ignition system the points might be in the closed
position after the engine was shut down, then if you turned the key to the on
position, to listen to the radio for example, the coil would be continuously
energized till you turn off the key.

Dana

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:31:59 -0600
From: mongo
Subject: stock deck height?

ok i NEED to know what the stock deck height of a 75 390cid motor is and
what the average cc volume of a stock flat top piston? all help i well
apreciated!!!!!

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:46:08 -0600
From: Jim Craig
Subject: Seeing The Light

Mike put it best by saying it's gonna take so much gas to push a 5500 lb
truck through the air no matter how I gear her :-( Since I already got a C6
which will bolt up, I figure I'll just have to build my engine to operate in
that range--no problem right?! Oh no, time to get one of those engine
programs! The Wide Ratio gear set sounds like the way to go, does it bolt
in? My supplier can't get ahold of one, and haven't found them in mail
order yet...I've only seen it in the Motorsport Catalog. Any ideas on how
to get a set? Thanks.

Jimbo
'77 Supercab
Resurrected 460 Plan!

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:41:00 -0800
From: Caradawc concentric.net
Subject: Re: Seeing The Light

Jim Craig wrote:

> Mike put it best by saying it's gonna take so much gas to push a 5500 lb
> truck through the air no matter how I gear her :-( Since I already got a C6
> which will bolt up, I figure I'll just have to build my engine to operate in
> that range--no problem right?! Oh no, time to get one of those engine
> programs! The Wide Ratio gear set sounds like the way to go, does it bolt
> in? My supplier can't get ahold of one, and haven't found them in mail
> order yet...I've only seen it in the Motorsport Catalog. Any ideas on how
> to get a set? Thanks.
>

Actually the problem at crusing speed isn't 5500 lbs, it's frontal area and
rolling resistance. A major consideration with fuel economy is engine
efficiency. An internal combustion engine has a certain rpm range in which it
operates the most efficiently.
If you force it to operate outside that range fuel economy goes down. Dick Cepek
(and others) make that point in their catalogs. If you take a truck with 3.00
gears and add 40" tires you may very well put your vehicle in an rpm range where
the engine cannot operate efficienly at 55 or 65 mph. The net effect being that
even though engine rpm at that speed drops, you still loose fuel economy due to
the increase throttle opening required to maintain that speed when off the
"torque" curve. I dont know if they are still doing it, but the Dick Cepek....

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