fordtrucks61-79-digest Thursday, February 19 1998 Volume 02 : Number 102



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In this issue:

RE: Dies at Idle / hot air intake [Sleddog ]
Truck theft ["Dave Resch"]
RE: Dies at Idle / hot air intake ["Gillespie, John D."
re: Photo Radar Block [Sleddog ]
Re: Headers & Brakes, '71 F100 [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Re: Truck theft [John MacNamara ]
Re: Compression ratios? [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
'64 F100 [am14 chrysler.com]
Re: Truck theft [Ken Payne ]
Re: 73 grille for a 79? [Tony Marino ]
RE: Photo Radar Block [Sleddog ]
Re: Truck theft [Rab Rawlins ]
Re: Ignition Disable Switch ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
RE: 73 grille for a 79? [Tony Marino ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #101 ["James E. Brady III"
Re: Ignition Disable Switch [Kurt Albershardt ]
Re: Photo Radar Block [Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)]
Re: Compression ratios? ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Photo Radar Block [james oxley ]
Re: Truck theft ["Deacon" ]
RE: 73 grille on a 79? ["Marc A. Stine" ]
stan's headers [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Re: Photo Radar Block [Keith Srb ]
Re: Truck theft ["Bill Beyer" ]

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:41:06 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Dies at Idle / hot air intake

i remember that too, but he also used a turbocharger on that fiero engine
he built to retain the same amount of fuel and air into the engine as would
be there without heating it up, since hot air take up mre volume at equal
pressure. it was the turbo that really kept the power of the engine, and
the vaporized fuel that gave it the economy, so to speak. he claimed 50
mpg i think and had enough HP to break the fiero's axle shafts on a regular
basis.

i thought i was the only one who remembered that article! wonder what
happened to his idea. last i heard some auto makers where looking into
buying it, but never heard anything since. if it was that good, why isn't
it being made today? oh, yea, conspiracy, that's it!

sleddog

I also remember an article in Hot Rod many years ago featuring a motor
that Smokey Yunik (sp?) built that used coolant and exhaust heat to heat
the incoming air charge to help vaporize the fuel. Interesting idea
since everyone touts the use of cold air for density. He was more
concerned with vaporizing the fuel with heat so it wouldn't fall out of
the intake charge and would burn more evenly in the conbustion chamber.
No large droplets of fuel.

Se Ya!
Tom H.

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:58:13 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Truck theft

>From: "Deacon"
>Subject: Re: Ignition Disable Switch
>
> I wish I had better news. The old saying "If they want it,
>you can't stop them from taking it" is true. It's not like on TV.
>Professional car thieves are very good at what they do.

Yo Deacon et al:

Unfortunately, one of the down sides of our beloved F trucks being the most
popular new vehicles sold is that there is now a relatively high demand for
them to be stolen. In Colorado, I have noticed that for the last few
years, mid-to-late '70s Ford trucks are near the top of the list of most
common vehicles stolen (usually in the top 5!). Apparently, theft recovery
is pretty rare. A lot of them head straight south and end up in Mexico
w/in 24 hours of the theft.

This thread has jogged my memory about a TV show I saw a couple years back
(one of those quasi-news shows like Dateline or 20/20) where they hired
(purportedly rehabilitated) ex-Professional car thieves to "steal" a car
rigged w/ all the currently available "state-of-the-art" and "popular"
theft deterrent devices. The premise was that even a professional thief
would only have about 2 minutes to steal a car.

According to the "experts," the Professional thief was much more savvy at
defeating sophisticated deterrents and also much more persistent (knowing
that he has a specific market for the booty) at working his way through
them. The casual (amateur?) thief was much more likely to give up w/
minimal deterrence.

The upshot was that with "everything in the book" thrown at them (including
a fancy, expensive alarm system), the Professional thieves were able to
defeat every deterrent w/in 2 minutes, except the hidden kill switch. Even
after another 3 minutes given to them, the hidden switch still eluded the
thieves.

Eventually, they would have found it or worked around it if they could, but
it was interesting that the simple hidden switch was the most difficult
device to defeat. OTOH, if they didn't have all the other stuff to work
on, they may have been able to defeat or find the hidden switch w/in 5
minutes.

BTW "The Club" lasted about 10 seconds. They used one of those string saws
to cut through the rim of the steering wheel and it came right off.

Personally, I like Steve D's idea of a reed switch activated by a magnet.
Seems like maximum concealment combined w/ ease of use. I also like the
idea of a deterrent that becomes activated after a few minutes, as the
thief is very likely to abandon a disabled vehicle, which will be
conspicuous to the police. This type of deterrent is effective, no matter
how much time the thief is allowed to work on stealing the vehicle in the
first place, since (ideally) he is unaware of it until after the vehicle is
driven away and it's too late (for him).

Dave R. (M-block devotee)

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:12:35 -0800
From: "Gillespie, John D."
Subject: RE: Dies at Idle / hot air intake

I also remember the article and several others of his in Popular
Mechanics(Science) and if I remember right there was something about
patent infringement. As in someone in the Big 3 already had patents on
what he was trying to do.

John

From:Sleddog [SMTP:kevkem epix.net]


i thought i was the only one who remembered that article!
wonder what
happened to his idea. last i heard some auto makers where
looking into
buying it, but never heard anything since. if it was that good,
why isn't
it being made today? oh, yea, conspiracy, that's it!

sleddog


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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:18:13 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: re: Photo Radar Block

maybe i can spray the whole truck and then the cops won't even see me as i blast by at 110!!!!

sleddog

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:16:34 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: Headers & Brakes, '71 F100

>I'm looking for ideas about headers for FE equipped '71 F100's, what's
>available and where to get them.


George,

The disk conversion on a 4x2 should be much easier. I think you can read
all about it at the fordtrucks website, thanks to Ken.

As for headers, check out www.stans-headers.com. They hand-build tri-y
headers that are nickel plated. Stan apparently also builds headers for
funny cars, gt racers, etc. and is, according to my engine shop, very good.
He seems very knowledgeable, I talked to him before buying a set. I have
yet to receive them, but will post a report once I do.

Less expensive headers are available from companies like blackjack and
hedman and dynomax but you only get what you pay for.


marko in vancouver
marko helix.net

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:19:20 -0800
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: Truck theft

Dave Resch wrote:

>
>
> Unfortunately, one of the down sides of our beloved F trucks being the most
> popular new vehicles sold is that there is now a relatively high demand for
> them to be stolen. In Colorado, I have noticed that for the last few
> years, mid-to-late '70s Ford trucks are near the top of the list of most
> common vehicles stolen (usually in the top 5!). Apparently, theft recovery
> is pretty rare. A lot of them head straight south and end up in Mexico
> w/in 24 hours of the theft.

Dave: Funny you should mention this. My previous 78 was stolen out of the
parking lot where I work and to make along story short wound up in Mexicali,
Mex where the truck was headed to Mexico City. Apparently the late model 70's
4X4's make good drug running trucks in the mountains down there.

The trucks are very easy to steal because all you have to do is remove the
connector off the back of your ignition switch, install your own with key and
away you go.

The best way to prevent theft on these trucks is install a fuel shutoff swithc
(as I did) so the truck will die somewhere within a few hundre yards of the
theft and the thiefs are certainly not going to stick around.

Thanks
John

78 F250 4X4 Supercab

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:20:47 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: Compression ratios?

>
>
>----------
to: sdelanty


Steve, please give me the equations again. I'm the guy with the 410 that
we're all arguing about. I did the calculation with your formula and came
up with 9.79:1 compression. But I deleted your post with the formula so
could you please email it to me again so that I can prove to everyone that
my engine will not shake itself apart.

Flames to you non-believers!


marko in vancouver
410 marauder
67 mercury 250 4x4
(in progress)
71 ford f100
(beater truck)

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:22:47 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: '64 F100

Stu writes: >> It has a 302
4V (aluminum intake) from an 84 GT Mustang and a C-5 tranny. Me
thinks this hobby is getting OUT OF HAND! He said with a grin!
STU

A bargain by most standards. The engine/tranny will bring that if in
good shape. Take a good look under the hood and under the front end to
see that it was installed with some amount of professionalism. The 292
was the standard V8 in '64, so it is a transplant job. Nothing wrong
with transplants, just wanted you to be aware.

Azie

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:43:28 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Truck theft

>
>Dave: Funny you should mention this. My previous 78 was stolen out of the
>parking lot where I work and to make along story short wound up in Mexicali,
>Mex where the truck was headed to Mexico City. Apparently the late model
70's
>4X4's make good drug running trucks in the mountains down there.

And the parts are common enough to be transferred over to lots of
Ford vehicles.

>
>The trucks are very easy to steal because all you have to do is remove the
>connector off the back of your ignition switch, install your own with key and
>away you go.
>
>The best way to prevent theft on these trucks is install a fuel shutoff
swithc
>(as I did) so the truck will die somewhere within a few hundre yards of the
>theft and the thiefs are certainly not going to stick around.
>

That's not easy to do if you have a mechanical fuel pump as my 390
does.

Ken

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:59:56 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: 73 grille for a 79?

Well Marc,

Been there, done that. (pictorial on web page, under '78. The
black one (use to be camo!) I wrecked my '78 and had to do exactly what
your talking about. here's the stuff:

Yes, it will work, but not very well. This is going to be hard to explain.
You can put the 73 on the 79 core support with a couple of considerations.
The part of the headlamp cups and assy that bolt to the core support will
not line up. You have two available option. Drill new holes, which is damn
near impossible to line up, or do what I did. Let them hang. Lemme explain.
These headlight cups and assy will bolt to the plastic inserts (so the
plastic holds them up) Not very strong, but it works. I drove like that for
a couple of months before I put in the correct core support. BTW, You're
turnsignal wires will be long enough to reach the new lights. (thank god
for long wires, although a suggestion for you is to put in the 76-77
turnsignals (amber) so you keep the same style plugs for the lights, makes
replacing bulbs easy.)

Now, if this doesn't make any sence, e-mail me personally. I would however
suggest, if you like the 73 look, (which I don't and would be willing to
sell you my core support I'm not using (make me an offer)) buy the right one
for the job. Fits perfectly, with only one easy consideration depending on
engine size.
They newer core supports (78-79) have a larger opening for the radiator. My
300-6 has a small radiator, so there is a spacer plate (about 6" wide) that
extends the radiator to fit in the 78 grill. If you move to the 73, and
have a small radiator, all you have to do is take that plate out.

Hope this helps ya!

Tony Marino

>Hello list, I've been reading the posts on the list for about six months
>now. Now I've run into a problem I think someone out there might be
>able to help me with. I have been trying to fix up a 79 F-150 for the
>past four years or so (being a broke college student dosen't speed the
>process any) and am near completion, well not too far off. Annyhow, I
>need to find the front chrome. I had a friend give me the front chrome
>from a 73, I thought it might work, and I hope it will. Will I be able
>to put the 73 grille on a 79 radiator support? I know I'm going to have
>some problems with the headlights and turn signals since the
>turnsignals on the 79 are below the headlights where on the 73 grille
>they are above the lights. Is there annything I can do with these
>parts, or am I just going to have to spend the money on a 79 grille.
> Thanks in advance,
>

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:52:19 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Photo Radar Block

maybe i can spray the whole truck and then the cops won't even see me as i blast by at 120!!!!

sleddog

- ----------
From: CARVER, JEFFREY D[SMTP:Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 1998 9:53 AM
To: 'Truck'
Subject: Photo Radar Block


FYI

There is product on the market that one can spray
on your license plate, dries clear, and prevents
photo radar from getting an image of your plate.

Just read it in an article in 'Automobile' magazine,
and no I don't know which issue, but it features the
Porsche Boxster on the cover as the Automobile
of the Year.

It shows two photos, one with and one without the spray.
Shown as part of a large article on a Auto show,
SEMA I think.

They didn't mention the product name however.

Finally a magazine worth reading at a doctor's office!

Jeff





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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:59:08 -0700
From: Rab Rawlins
Subject: Re: Truck theft

Dave Resch wrote:
>
> >From: "Deacon"
> >Subject: Re: Ignition Disable Switch
> >
> > I wish I had better news. The old saying "If they want it,
> >you can't stop them from taking it" is true. It's not like on TV.
> >Professional car thieves are very good at what they do.
>
> Yo Deacon et al:
>
> Unfortunately, one of the down sides of our beloved F trucks being the most
> popular new vehicles sold is that there is now a relatively high demand for
> them to be stolen. In Colorado, I have noticed that for the last few
> years, mid-to-late '70s Ford trucks are near the top of the list of most
> common vehicles stolen (usually in the top 5!). Apparently, theft recovery
> is pretty rare. A lot of them head straight south and end up in Mexico
> w/in 24 hours of the theft.
>
> This thread has jogged my memory about a TV show I saw a couple years back
> (one of those quasi-news shows like Dateline or 20/20) where they hired
> (purportedly rehabilitated) ex-Professional car thieves to "steal" a car
> rigged w/ all the currently available "state-of-the-art" and "popular"
> theft deterrent devices. The premise was that even a professional thief
> would only have about 2 minutes to steal a car.
>
> According to the "experts," the Professional thief was much more savvy at
> defeating sophisticated deterrents and also much more persistent (knowing
> that he has a specific market for the booty) at working his way through
> them. The casual (amateur?) thief was much more likely to give up w/
> minimal deterrence.
>
> The upshot was that with "everything in the book" thrown at them (including
> a fancy, expensive alarm system), the Professional thieves were able to
> defeat every deterrent w/in 2 minutes, except the hidden kill switch. Even
> after another 3 minutes given to them, the hidden switch still eluded the
> thieves.
>
> Eventually, they would have found it or worked around it if they could, but
> it was interesting that the simple hidden switch was the most difficult
> device to defeat. OTOH, if they didn't have all the other stuff to work
> on, they may have been able to defeat or find the hidden switch w/in 5
> minutes.
>
> BTW "The Club" lasted about 10 seconds. They used one of those string saws
> to cut through the rim of the steering wheel and it came right off.
>
> Personally, I like Steve D's idea of a reed switch activated by a magnet.
> Seems like maximum concealment combined w/ ease of use. I also like the
> idea of a deterrent that becomes activated after a few minutes, as the
> thief is very likely to abandon a disabled vehicle, which will be
> conspicuous to the police. This type of deterrent is effective, no matter
> how much time the thief is allowed to work on stealing the vehicle in the
> first place, since (ideally) he is unaware of it until after the vehicle is
> driven away and it's too late (for him).
>
> Dave R. (M-block devotee)
>
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Just stepped in so excuse me if i'm rehashing nothing new. What about
the "brake locks". Your brake lines are plumbed into a barrel lock.
You step on your brakes, turn the key and voila your brakes are locked.
I've got a topless Toyota land cruiser and on two occasions pranksters
have hopped in it and pushed it down the road a few blocks so I thought
this brake lock coupled with a kill switch might do it. Summit Racing
Equip. has it.

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:48:13 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Ignition Disable Switch

> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:48:21 -0800
> From: sdelanty
> Subject: Re: Ignition Disable Switch

> I'm installing a setup I've used before that uses an electric fuel
> solenoid and a magentic reed switch mounted in a *secret* location.
> You have to stick a small magnet in the right spot (on the dash, or
> wherever) to get any fuel delivery... The theif can start it and

This is really a slick system I think but any system that has been
advertised and can be bought is alread known to the thief since they
usually have a pretty good network of info floating between them.
The lighter sounds good at first but I bet they've heard of it and
will probably push it the instant it doesn't start or crank but the
magnet, while perhaps known to them will be nearly impossible to get
in the right location if you don't know where it is. Same with any
switches they see on the dash. It only takes them a second to flip
them all to test. Of course if one does turn on the lights they
would want to get out of there pretty fast I should think. Few of
them will bother going under the hood since it's too obvious and
takes time and time is their enemy. The 78/79's had a neat lockable
hood option which is quite heavy duty and would prevent that
possibility. These may be available yet, not sure??

Steve, how about putting a timer on a "high security" lock type
switch so when you have it on it is a direct connection but when off
in alarm mode it has power for only a few minutes or seconds. This
would have to be to the ignition tho since the carb or fuel system
would be charged already and you wouldn't want to give it any more
(just thought of that as I typed) With EFI the fuel block would
effectively keep the engine from even starting wouldn't it since the
injectors require high fuel pressure to operate?

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:19:35 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: RE: 73 grille for a 79?

At 12:34 PM 2/19/98 -0500, you wrote:
>well, i don't see any other replies, so i'll give it a try.
>electrical wires to see if the conects would be the same. after they both
>sat apart for 2 monthes or so i just put it all back together the way it
>was. the bolts holding the grill on were a real b**ch to get to even with
>a LONG extension and swivel. lots of cut knuckels.
>
>the conversion CAN be done, but it is a question of being worth it. i know

>sleddog

Oh Yeah, I forgot to mention those two key points in that message I left.
Cut knuckles and rusted bolts! I hear that!

(mine cost me a trip to the hospital to get a piece of rust drilled out of
my eye!) Just reminding everybody, WEAR SAFETY GLASSES.

8-)

Tony Marino

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:26:49 +0000
From: "James E. Brady III"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #101

Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:49:59 -0500
From: George Herpich
Subject: Headers & Brakes, '71 F100

I'm looking for ideas about headers for FE equipped '71 F100's, what's
available and where to get them.

Thanks, George

George,
I got headers and exhaust system from J.C. Whitney.

Jim Brady
'71 F100 360ci
James E. Brady III
Network Engineer
Computer Sciences Corporation

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:30:43 -0800
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: Re: Ignition Disable Switch

At 01:48 PM 2/19/98 +0000, Gary, 78 BBB wrote:
>
>Same with any
>switches they see on the dash. It only takes them a second to flip
>them all to test. Of course if one does turn on the lights they
>would want to get out of there pretty fast I should think.


We used to put in a row of SPDT toggle switches and wire them for different
up/down positions. This way, you can have a bank of switches where some
actually turn on lights etc. and others are ignition lockouts. Only by
knowing the whole pattern can the truck start. Very effective because 4
switches yields 16 combinations and if there are six switches he has to
figure out which four first...

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:47:06 -0800
From: Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)
Subject: Re: Photo Radar Block

An update on the Photo Radar stuff.
This is for the automated photograph taking
radar that is in place in some place in Canada
but NOT yet below the border.

A pmail response indicates the material
is nothing more than re-packaged clear
fingernail polish. Now you have an excuse
for the fingernail polish in the garage!
Just use it to paint your plate. Unverified
results at this point.

Jeff

* * * * * * * *

At 06:53 AM 2/19/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
>FYI
>
>There is product on the market that one can spray
>on your license plate, dries clear, and prevents
>photo radar from getting an image of your plate.

SEE if we can find out the name of this stuff. I want some! I make
way
too many 1200 mile round trip journeys through 4 states to my parents in
my
FORD (FORD CONTENT)car. This could be useful since I tend to bend the
speed
limit 99% of the way.

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:24:34 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Compression ratios?

> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:20:47 -0800
> From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
> Subject: Re: Compression ratios?

> Steve, please give me the equations again. I'm the guy with the 410
> that we're all arguing about. I did the calculation with your
> formula and came up with 9.79:1 compression. But I deleted your
> post with the formula so could you please email it to me again so
> that I can prove to everyone that my engine will not shake itself
> apart.

Total volume = ((3.141592654 * ((Bore/2) ^ 2) * (Stroke+Gasket+Deck
Clearance)) + ((Piston cc's+Combustion chamber cc's) * 0. 0 6 1 0 2 )
) * No of Cylinders

Swept volume = (3.141592654 * ((Bore/2) ^ 2)) * Stroke * No of
Cylinders

Compressed Volume = (((3.141592654 * ((Bore/2) ^ 2)) * Gasket+Deck
Clearance))+((Piston cc's+Combustion chamber cc's) * 0. 0 6 1 0 2 ) )
* No of Cylinders

Sorry if it looks a little jumbled, this is the formulas I took out
of my spread sheet. I replaced the cell names with descriptions
:-) If you have valve relief figures in cc's you can add them to the
chamber etc..

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:29:18 -0800
From: james oxley
Subject: Re: Photo Radar Block

CARVER, JEFFREY D wrote:
>
> An update on the Photo Radar stuff.
> This is for the automated photograph taking
> radar that is in place in some place in Canada
> but NOT yet below the border.


This is kind of off topic. Having said that, photo radar was tried and
banned in NJ over 3 years ago. It is currently legal and used in many
states.

OX

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:32:57 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: Truck theft

From: John MacNamara
>Dave: Funny you should mention this. My previous 78 was stolen out of
the
>parking lot where I work and to make along story short wound up in
Mexicali,
>Mex where the truck was headed to Mexico City. Apparently the late
model 70's
>4X4's make good drug running trucks in the mountains down there.

Not only do the drug runners like them, the Mexican Police are quite
fond of them too! Back in the '80's the California Highway Patrol sent a
group of Officers to Mexico to collect vin numbers off of vehicles to
see just how many they could find that were stolen from the US. With the
rumors of stolen vehicles being taken to Mexico they figured if there
was any truth to it, they would find a few. They had no authority to
recover any if found, they only wanted to see just how big the problem
was. I wish I still had the article because the percentage was
unbelievable. The thing even the Officers found shocking was the
percentage of Police vehicles that were found to be stolen from here.
When asked why, the Mexican authorities had a very good explanation.
When property is seized in a crime, that property becomes property of
the Police to be use in fighting crime. Well isn't that comforting.

>The best way to prevent theft on these trucks is install a fuel shutoff
swithc
>(as I did) so the truck will die somewhere within a few hundre yards of
the
>theft and the thiefs are certainly not going to stick around.

And why is that? Are they afraid some concerned citizen will see
them? The best thing a criminal has going for them is the lack of
concern people have with what's going on around them. Ron and Nicole
were stabbed to death in the courtyard of a condo and no one seen or
heard anything. It was late, people were asleep? Ron and Nicole were
trying to be quiet so they wouldn't wake them up? A hundred people seen
it happen and a hundred people didn't want to get involved. If people
don't give a damn about others and will do nothing to stop a criminal
from committing a crime, what device will!

From: Bill Beyer
>I think
>the goal isn't necessarily to make a truck "theft-proof" but to make it
>"theft-resistant" enough to make the bad guy keep on walkin' to the
next
>guys truck ;-)

So really all I need to do is help the bad guy take your truck and
my truck will be safe. :) This is what a criminal is counting on. People
protect themselves by hoping it happens to the next guy and not them.
The only way we can stop criminals from committing crimes against us, is
for us to make a concerted effort to protect the property of others. To
be only concerned with protecting ones own property is inviting crime.
The problem we have with crime these days, isn't do to the boldness or
skill of the criminal but the apathy of the people.
I am not pointing a finger at anyone, I'm as guilty as any. I'm
pointing out the problem and suggesting a solution. We can make up our
minds that we're not going to take it any more or sit in our living
rooms watching the news and when we hear our neighbors scream bloody
murder we can turn to our spouse and say "See Honey, our motion detector
worked. I told Bill and Barb they should get one. Bet their sorry now!"
A study to find the level of apathy in America would be an
interesting subject. I was thinking of doing one but decided I really
didn't care! :)


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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:59:24 -0500
From: "Marc A. Stine"
Subject: RE: 73 grille on a 79?

Sleddog,
Thanks for the info. I wasn't sure if it would work or not. I guess
now I have the chrome for a 73 and the plastic inserts up for grabs.
The chrome is perfect not a dent or a ding anywhere on it, and the
plastic is in great shape as well. I wish I could use them, but I can't
see going out and changing everything just to get it to fit. Anybody
want to trade for 79 parts?

Marc A. Stine
mstine ycp.edu

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:00:38 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: stan's headers

Well, I got my Stan's today.

Wow! What a set of headers.

Talking to them they said they initially started making their headers for
older Ford, D*dge, IHC's, and (grumble) Ch*vy trucks as manifolds got
scarcer and scarcer, especially for the FE motor where the truck manifold is
different.

BTW I'm not affiliated with them in any way.

I got my headers in the UPS today (ten days to make them). They are hand
built, and boy do they have a lot of meat on them. The flanges are HUGE
(3/8"), as are the pipes even from the cylinders themselves. The headers are
tri-y design, with big lower ball-n-socket flanges. Weight is not a factor
on these things. They look to last a very long time. The welds are all
thick beads and all that. I have a set of crappy Blackjack headers that
came with my 2-wheel drive 352 truck, and the difference is like night and
day. Everything is nickel electroplated too.

Money well spent, I say. Real nice looking things too.

They have a website at www.stans-headers.com.

Now to bolt them up to my 410 marauder and hear that monster roar!

marko in vancouver

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:28:48 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: Photo Radar Block

At 11:47 AM 2/19/98 -0800, you wrote:

>An update on the Photo Radar stuff.

>This is for the automated photograph taking

>radar that is in place in some place in Canada

>but NOT yet below the border.


We have this type of Photo Radar in Arizona. There are several corners that I have to be really careful going through, or I will get a ticket for speeding and/or running a red light. We also have mobile photo radar units that like to hide along the sides of some streets. I have gotten caught speeding once, by this mobile unit. Didn't even know about it until I got the ticket in the mail. :(


Later



Keith Srbherbie netvalue.net

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.netvalue.net/herbie

Mesa, AZ

1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.

1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.

1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, Camper Special, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long
Box, Style Side.

1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Model 1100 1bbl carb, Oil Bath Air
Cleaner,

Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.

My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two
Wheels!"





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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:23:10 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: Truck theft

- ----------
> From: Deacon
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: Truck theft
> Date: Thursday, February 19, 1998 1:32 PM

> >The best way to prevent theft on these trucks is install a fuel shutoff
> swithc
> >(as I did) so the truck will die somewhere within a few hundre yards of
> the
> >theft and the thiefs are certainly not going to stick around.
>
> And why is that? Are they afraid some concerned citizen will see
> them? The best thing a criminal has going for them is the lack of
> concern people have with what's going on around them. Ron and Nicole
> were stabbed to death in the courtyard of a condo and no one seen or
> heard anything. It was late, people were asleep? Ron and Nicole were
> trying to be quiet so they wouldn't wake them up? A hundred people seen
> it happen and a hundred people didn't want to get involved. If people
> don't give a damn about others and will do nothing to stop a criminal
> from committing a crime, what device will!
>
It's a little difficult to be "apathetic" about 18 feet of pickup parked
blocking the middle of a parking lot or road. If the thief leaves it
because the engine died it's at least going to attract some attention and
prompt some kind of response and they can trace you because of the lic
plates.

> From: Bill Beyer
> >I think
> >the goal isn't necessarily to make a truck "theft-proof" but to make it
> >"theft-resistant" enough to make the bad guy keep on walkin' to the
> next
> >guys truck ;-)
>
> So really all I need to do is help the bad guy take your truck and
> my truck will be safe. :) This is what a criminal is counting on. People
> protect themselves by hoping it happens to the next guy and not them.
> The only way we can stop criminals from committing crimes against us, is
> for us to make a concerted effort to protect the property of others. To
> be only concerned with protecting ones own property is inviting crime.
> The problem we have with crime these days, isn't do to the boldness or
> skill of the criminal but the apathy of the people.....


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