fordtrucks61-79-digest Wednesday, February 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 099



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In this issue:

Re: Hey Texans! [A66f100 aol.com]
Re: dies at idle [Jesus Cardoso ]
Re: F-350-700 Super Duty [Stu Varner ]
Re: f100 fishy steering [Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)]
Re: f100 fishy steering ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
RE: perogie ford [Sleddog ]
Re: f100 fishy steering [Keith Srb ]
Re: perogie ford / 64 F-100 [Stu Varner ]
Question on Bushings [shoman p3.net]
Re: dies at idle, hot air intake ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Compression ratios? ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Compression ratios? ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: dies at idle [sdelanty ]
Re: Compression ratios? [sdelanty ]
Re: Tranny gear ratios ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: f100 fishy steering ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: perogie ford [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Re: 460 timing and other stuff ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Tranny [Jim Craig ]
Re: perogie ford ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Tranny ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #98 [edselranger worldnet.att.net]
Re: perogie ford [Caradawc concentric.net]
Re: perogie ford / 64 F-100 [Caradawc concentric.net]
Re: perogie ford / 64 F-100 [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Re: perogie ford / 64 F-100 [Stu Varner ]
FE style Bellhousing [Dan Koster ]
RE: perogie ford / 64 F-100 ["Gillespie, John D."
Re: perogie ford [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Ignition Disable Switch [Antonio Gonella ]
re: f100 fishy steering [A66f100 aol.com]

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 07:27:52 EST
From: A66f100 aol.com
Subject: Re: Hey Texans!

Colorado Jeff,
I am not sure about Bronco parts, but a cousin gave me the following names and
phone numbers of yards in Fort Worth. AB's Ford Salvage/572-2309, LittleJohns
Wrecking/834-6044, FAR Recycling/Ford-800-720-2929, and Frank's Wrecking-5600
Elliot Reeder Rd. Maybe one of them will have what you are looking for.
Mike B.

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 07:56:07 -0600 (CST)
From: Jesus Cardoso
Subject: Re: dies at idle

Does Your air cleaner have any provisions for the hot air stove?
> If so is it hooked up?
Steve,

My air cleaner does not have the provisions for the hot air stove.
After I rebuilt the engine I decided to put a paper filter assembly on the
carb and remove the oil bath air cleaner. I thought about the air
cleaner being a problem, but I am not sure if it would have such an effect
on the engine. Like I said this problem is driving me crazy, it only does
it in the morning and not in the evening. The weird thing about it is
that once it reaches around 160 degrees it runs great and does not die at
idle.
Thanks for everyones help,
Jesus


On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, sdelanty wrote:
> Jesus,
>
> I had a similar problem with my FE390 this year. On cold moist days, after
> deceleration from freeway speed it would die or idle very slowly/roughly.
> If it would stay idling for 5 seconds or so, it would suddenly recover
> and be normal again. Cold dry days weren't a problem, but cool moist days
> it would almost always do it. It would do it even when the motor was fully
> warmed up.
> After much fiddling with choke, fast idle cam and idle mix adjustments,
> I finally traced the problem to carb icing.
> When the throttle plate is nearly closed and vacuum is high, the pressure
> drop causes a considerable temperature drop and causes moist air to freeze
> on the edge of the throttle plate. This reduces idle airflow and also badly
> screws up the idle mixture...
> Once the truck is stopped and idling for a few seconds, the ice melts off
> and things return to normal.
>
> The cure for me was to put the stock air cleaner assy back on and hook up
> the "hot air stove" that brings some warm air from the exhaust manifold to
> the air cleaner.
>
> If You think the choke and fast idle cam adjustments are O.K, You might
> consider this as a possible problem.
>
> Does Your air cleaner have any provisions for the hot air stove?
> If so is it hooked up?
>
> Happy motoring,
>
> Steve
>
> "Remember, with lunacy comes responsibility;
> we have a duty to make life at least a little more
> surreal for those whose lives make too much sense."
> -- Trygve Lode
>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Graduate Research Assistant (Power System Automation Lab)
Dept. of Electrical Engineering, Texas A&M University
College Station, TX 77843-3128
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:01:39 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: F-350-700 Super Duty

Tom saw : the new
>Super duty F350 in a magazine last night. Looks a lot like a certain
>pentstar pickup product (say that a zillion times really fast!!). I
>still like it.

I caught the front end of one of the new Super Dutys while reading a stock
report from Navistar just the other day. They look rough and grizzly.
Something Mel Gibson should have drivin instaed of that Chebby dually in
Lethal Weapon. He'd be greater than Clint and the Duke had that been the
case. I guess Navistar and Ford and doin some engine R & D through a
partnership through the year 2012. High tech diesels!

>
>Does anyone know if FoMoCo is planning on producing these two trucks
>(F-150 and F-350) of differing body styles at the same time? Is this
>the begining of an era when the F-150 has one style to appeal to the
>grocery getter crowd and the F-250 thru F-700 have another style for the
>hairy chested, haul-a-heavy-load, I-use-a-truck-to-make-a-buck, working
>man?
I saw a light duty F-250 in a movie this weekend....what was the name of
it??? It was on HBO or Skinamax I can't member. (The light duty F-250 is
on the 97/98 round nose body) and the F350-700 is on the "I AM Hercules /
rip your stump out move your house with no problem" body style. I know I
don't need one and can't afford one. What the heck would a school teacher do
with one? I don't live on a farm anymore. HECK - They cost as much as my
house!

One thing is for sure. They will put Dodge and GM out of the Medium duty
truck business. These things have some big load and power ratings.
Finally, A nuclear weapon against them all.

STU
Nuke GM!

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:18:55 -0800
From: Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)
Subject: Re: f100 fishy steering

Before you do this, be SURE that the remainder of
your suspension system is in good shape.
My '64 F100 CrewCab wanders all over the road.
We tried radials. It made it EXTEREMELY dangerous
to drive, as opposed to just a little wandering around,
but still driveable.

My springs are sprung, the bushings are loose, and I
can feel the body shift sideways around corners on the
suspension.

The soft radials allowed the really soft suspension to
slop around even more.

Jeff
'64 F100 CrewCab
saving my pennies for suspension work

* * * * * * * * * * * *


At 09:11 PM 2/17/98 EST, you wrote:
>I,ve got a 66 f100 pickup with manual steering that is just all over
the road.
>I've replaced the gearbox with a good one and added a new tierod end so
I know

Hey there,

What's causing your problems is BIAS PLY TIRES!!!!


With today's roads, all rutted as they are, the bias tires climb the
center
crown in your lane and make you drive like you were a Canadian
snowboarding
gold medalist.

Slap on four radial tires and your problem will miraculously be cured.

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:21:52 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: f100 fishy steering

> From: Trs2000 aol.com
> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:11:04 EST
> Subject: f100 fishy steering

> I,ve got a 66 f100 pickup with manual steering that is just all over
> the road. I've replaced the gearbox with a good one and added a new
> tierod end so I know that the front end and gear box are good. The
> only bad parts on the front end are the king pins which have some
> play- one side more than the other. would that cause the severe
> side to side wandering of the truck when you hit a bump.....

If the king pins are frozen or sticky it will wander and if they are
too loose it will cause binding which will cause wander as well.
Really bad I beam bushings can do this as well but I would bet the
king pins are the problem. The only way you will be able to tell for
sure is take the tie rod off and try to move the steering arm on each
side by hand. If they move freely forget every thing in this post,
othwise get them replaced by a "competent" shop and drive the bad
boy home instead of towing it :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:25:17 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: perogie ford

a shop in NJ that deals in new and used parts. manhy times they have the
heads, or other parts that are harder to find elsewhere, and close t
inmpossible to find in a junk yard.

sleddog

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From: mongo[SMTP:oldsmo swbell.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 1998 12:00 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: perogie ford

ok so i'm ignorant what the heck is perogie ford? huh huh tell me i
need to know i'm going nuts aahhhhhhhhhhhhhh ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh
uhhhhhhhhhh






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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:25:36 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: f100 fishy steering

At 07:32 PM 2/17/98 -0800, you wrote:
>At 09:11 PM 2/17/98 EST, you wrote:
>>I,ve got a 66 f100 pickup with manual steering that is just all over the
road.
>>I've replaced the gearbox with a good one and added a new tierod end so I
know
>
>Hey there,
>
>What's causing your problems is BIAS PLY TIRES!!!!
>
>
>With today's roads, all rutted as they are, the bias tires climb the center
>crown in your lane and make you drive like you were a Canadian snowboarding
>gold medalist.
>
>Slap on four radial tires and your problem will miraculously be cured.
>
>
>marko in vancouver
>marko helix.net
>

I put Radials on my 66 something ago. IT DIDN'T HELP!!! It still wandered
around on the road just as bad as before. Changing the King Pins will
help. Replacing all of the rubber pieces in the rear suspension will help
a lot too, (Thanks Steve D. for that little tip.)

I replaced the Bias Ply Tires on my 74 when I bought it 8 months ago too.
It didn't help this truck either. I am going to change King Pins, a lot of
front suspension parts and all the rubber items in the rear suspension on
this truck too.

See Ya Later.


Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
Mesa, AZ
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.netvalue.net/herbie/
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, Camper Special, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box,
Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:41:23 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: perogie ford / 64 F-100

>at the risk of being obvious, a perogie Ford is what Greek Ford mechanics
>eat for lunch
>
Rick,
I thought perogies were Hungarian food not Greek food........I cannot even
find one in my Greek cookbook. :>)

Ford content - I have the opportunity to purchase a very decent looking 64
F-100. A lady I teach with tells me her hubby has it for sale becasue he
really needs the scratch. Heck, I need a truck now that mine is laid up for
several months.....
Get this - $500.00 I talked my wife into a yes without having seen it
upclose. I have seen it in town from a distance and admired it. It is a
good looking truck/even better for 500. I will get details today and throw
the info at you for advice and opinions. The oldest F-100 I have owned is
a 71. I know little to nothing about the 66 and back trucks. It has a 302
4V (aluminum intake) from an 84 GT Mustang and a C-5 tranny. Me thinks
this hobby is getting OUT OF HAND! He said with a grin!
STU
Nuke GM!

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:42:09 -0500
From: shoman p3.net
Subject: Question on Bushings

When swapping front axles from a dana 30 to a 76-79 dana 44..are the
"C" bushings and arm bushings the same from my 68 truck to the newer
76-79 ones???Need to order bushings and just thought I'd check...
Also I heard the 76-77 had oval type bushings???
ThaNks Joe

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:08:22 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: dies at idle, hot air intake

> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:08:42 -0800
> From: sdelanty
> Subject: Re: dies at idle

> I finally traced the problem to carb icing. When the throttle
> plate is nearly closed and vacuum is high, the pressure drop
> causes a considerable temperature drop and causes moist air to
> freeze on the edge of the throttle plate. This reduces idle
> airflow and also badly screws up the idle mixture... Once the
> truck is stopped and idling for a few seconds, the ice melts off
> and things return to normal.

Aircraft have been using carb heat for many years and the auto
industry goes way back as well for this very reason. I've had small
4 bangers plug completely up with ice when the vac door didn't work
but never experienced any trouble with larger engines.

Now that you mention it I nay have had problems but never quite
diagnosed them correctly since it only happens at idle on larger
engines.

Something related that most people probably don't realize is that
cold air does wonders for power at WOT but doesn't do diddly at
cruise or idle which is the only time the hot air is admitted to the
air cleaner. At cruise you need good atomization not volumetric
efficiency for best throttle response and economy. Using hot air
intake will improve economy in almost every case. If you need more
air for WOT then add another snorkle with hot air in it too :-)


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:12:51 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Compression ratios?

> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:33:32 -0800
> From: sdelanty
> Subject: Re: Compression ratios?

> No. CC's divided by 16.387 = cuin.
> There's 61.02 CuIn in a liter...

What an idiot! Talk about brain block! Thank you very much.
Somehow I got in a rut and couldn't dig out. How foolish!

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:26:48 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Compression ratios?

> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:33:32 -0800
> From: sdelanty
> Subject: Re: Compression ratios?

> Gary writes:
> >I've calculated this thing till I'm blue in the face and I can't
> >see were you guys got 9:1 or 10:1 with a 0.010" deck clearance and
> >70cc combustion chamber and 0.033" gasket and 3.984" stroke???
>
> You don't. You get about 11.9:1

Steve, I divided 61.02 by 1000 and used .06102 times the CC's to get
the volume and I get 10.99:1 now, thank you very much :-) How did
you get 11.9:1?

Here's my new numbers with bore of 4.050" for a 410 cuin engine:

424.20 total volume
410.59 swept volume
038.60 compressed volume
10.99:1 ratio

I divided "total" volume by compressed volume. I was dividing swept
volume by compressed but I don't think that's right??

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:15:28 -0800
From: sdelanty
Subject: Re: dies at idle

>Steve, You're a miracle Man!
>
>I've been sitting back watching this message run it's course on this
>problem
>and laughing heartily. Same problem I've had for the past year and a
>half
>with my '78 (300 I-6) I even put in a brand new motor in and still had
>these
>cold/wet weather blues coming off the expressway to campus and having my
>truck
>die on me. I'd hold the idle up for about 10-20 seconds, let it back
>down,
>and it would idle fine.


It's a miracle I figured it out... It drove me crazy for over a month!
What finally clued me in was one very cold *dry* day when I realized that
it *wasn't* dying... That's when the dim bulb in my brain lit up and I
caught on that the problem wasn't related to air temp as much as humidity.
Refrigeration icing seemed like the most likely cause...

Glad it cured Your problem, hope that Jesus' problem is as simple!

Happy motoring,

Steve

"Remember, with lunacy comes responsibility;
we have a duty to make life at least a little more
surreal for those whose lives make too much sense."
-- Trygve Lode

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:15:31 -0800
From: sdelanty
Subject: Re: Compression ratios?


>> If You add a deck clearance of .085" (or 0.216cm), You've added 18.67cc
>> to the end volume for a total of 96.67cc.
>> 874.54 + 96.67 / 96.67 = 10.04:1 CR
>>
>> Wasn't that fun? (~:

>
>ok i think you have WAY TOO MUCH TIME ON YOUR HANDS lol kevin hehhe

Uhh, Yeah, I do seem to have too much time some days...
At least the Fordtrucks list keeps me out of the street gangs!

Steve

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:12:04 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Tranny gear ratios

> From: danadeb pacbell.net
> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:56:04 -0800
> Subject: Tranny gear ratios

> What are the standard 1st and 2nd gear ratios in a C6 trans?
>
> Also what are the "wide ratio" gear ratios for same?

The wide ratio give you 11% more in low and 5% more in second. Don't
know the actual numbers tho, sorry :-) The difference even with a
460 is like night and day I've had both with the same engine and I'll
never have another "standard" C-6 :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:26:52 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: f100 fishy steering

> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:25:36 -0700
> From: Keith Srb
> Subject: Re: f100 fishy steering

> >What's causing your problems is BIAS PLY TIRES!!!!

> I put Radials on my 66 something ago. IT DIDN'T HELP!!! It still
> wandered around on the road just as bad as before. Changing the
> King Pins will help. Replacing all of the rubber pieces in the rear

I agree. If I place them in order of likelyhood, kingpins would be
right at the top of the list and tires are at the bottom, still on
the list but at the bottom and radials are more likely to squirm then
bias tires, especially belted bias tires due to sidewall design. The
modern day differnces are much smaller but still there I think.

Wander is not caused by loose steering in general but loose
components which either cause the wheels to be out of relationship to
each other or a binding component which won't allow it to seek
center, enter the king pin in all it's glory :-)

BTW, NEVER, EVER put a bias and radial on the same axle, front or
rear. It's not a pretty picture :-(

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:30:53 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: perogie ford

>
>at the risk of being obvious, a perogie Ford is what Greek Ford mechanics
>eat for lunch
>
>Rick Brewster
>

Obviously, Rick, you are not Ukrainian like me. Greeks eat souvlaki.
Ukrainians eat perogies.


marko in vancouver

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:48:46 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: 460 timing and other stuff

> From:
> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:25:06 -0800
> Subject: Re: 460 timing and other stuff

> In actuality, one of the best methods of reducing NOx is exhaust gas
> recirculation (EGR). At part throttle applications, diluting the
> air/fuel mixture with O2 depleted air (exhaust gases) reduces the
> amount of available oxygen. From a chemical reaction standpoint, the
> carbon based fuels "want" the oxygen more than the nitrogen does. In
> an oxygen depleted atmosphere, the fuel hogs the oxygen leaving
> little for the nitrogen to use in the formation of NOx.

Rick, thanks for the dissertation :-) This is one of the best
explainations I've seen on the purpose of the EGR. I knew it helped
NOx, just not exactly how. I always assumed it simply cooled the
combustion temp but the oxygen thing really makes it all come
together for me.

So I gather that if we put high flow cats for the hydrocarbons on
and an EGR we will do our duty to the environment as well as the
modern, high cost, complex stuff?? I knew it has to be easier than
the OEM's and Govt. were making it out to be :-)

Now I just need to find a ford EGR plate for the 800 cfm
rochester............:-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:53:18 -0600
From: Jim Craig
Subject: Tranny

Does Anyone know what 5 speed will bolt to a '69 460?

Jimbo
77 Supercab

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:08:10 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: perogie ford

> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:30:53 -0800
> From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
> Subject: Re: perogie ford

> Obviously, Rick, you are not Ukrainian like me. Greeks eat
> souvlaki. Ukrainians eat perogies.

Ha! So that's why they put up a block for judging the skating. It's
the Perogies! :-) What a smirk that guy had when he saw the camera
was on him :-(

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:15:54 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Tranny

> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:53:18 -0600
> From: Jim Craig
> Subject: Tranny

> Does Anyone know what 5 speed will bolt to a '69 460?

ZF 5-42 or ZF 5-47. Both are aluminum cases with distinctive cross
hatching embossed in the case. Very large tranny which uses ATF for
lube and isn't noted for longevity but does give you a granny and OD
gear for use on 460 and diesel engines in ford trucks. There may be
others used in medium trucks but I don't know what they are, wish I
did. I'd like a spicer 10 speed but it probably won't bolt up :-(

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:24:00 -0600
From: edselranger worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #98

I want off of this list, please

Kevin

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:34:20 -0800
From: Caradawc concentric.net
Subject: Re: perogie ford

marko maryniak wrote:

> >
> >at the risk of being obvious, a perogie Ford is what Greek Ford mechanics
> >eat for lunch
> >
> >Rick Brewster
> >
>
> Obviously, Rick, you are not Ukrainian like me. Greeks eat souvlaki.
> Ukrainians eat perogies.
>
> marko in vancouver

I stand corrected, my aplogies.

Rick Brewster

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:38:00 -0800
From: Caradawc concentric.net
Subject: Re: perogie ford / 64 F-100

Stu Varner wrote:

> >at the risk of being obvious, a perogie Ford is what Greek Ford mechanics
> >eat for lunch
> >
> Rick,
> I thought perogies were Hungarian food not Greek food........I cannot even
> find one in my Greek cookbook. :>)
>
> Ford content - I have the opportunity to purchase a very decent looking 64
> F-100. A lady I teach with tells me her hubby has it for sale becasue he
> really needs the scratch. Heck, I need a truck now that mine is laid up for
> several months.....
> Get this - $500.00 I talked my wife into a yes without having seen it
> upclose. I have seen it in town from a distance and admired it. It is a
> good looking truck/even better for 500. I will get details today and throw
> the info at you for advice and opinions. The oldest F-100 I have owned is
> a 71. I know little to nothing about the 66 and back trucks. It has a 302
> 4V (aluminum intake) from an 84 GT Mustang and a C-5 tranny. Me thinks
> this hobby is getting OUT OF HAND! He said with a grin!
> STU
> Nuke GM!
>

Ukranian, not Hungarian. (says Rick, eager to share his new found knowledge).

But seriously. the whole reason we have hobbies is so that they can get out of
hand.

Rick Brewster

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:55:58 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: perogie ford / 64 F-100

>>
>
>Ukranian, not Hungarian. (says Rick, eager to share his new found knowledge).
>
>But seriously. the whole reason we have hobbies is so that they can get out of
>hand.
>
>Rick Brewster
>

Stu, and Rick:

Yeah, I agree, although it's cheaper to eat too many perogies!

Stu, go for it you nut. Don't even think twice, even if it's a bit of a
rust bucket. As long as it stops, goes, doesn't boil, and won't blow up
anytime soon, it's bound to have at least $500 in parts on it! Hell, I'd do
it if I were you!


marko

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:28:46 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: perogie ford / 64 F-100

At 01:55 PM 2/18/98 -0800, you wrote:
>

>Stu, and Rick:
>
>Yeah, I agree, although it's cheaper to eat too many perogies!
>
Grandma used to make some good ones with potatoes and cheese. How I miss her!
Fry those babies up in butter and onions! Give you lip gasms!

>Stu, go for it you nut. Don't even think twice, even if it's a bit of a
>rust bucket. As long as it stops, goes, doesn't boil, and won't blow up
>anytime soon, it's bound to have at least $500 in parts on it! Hell, I'd do
>it if I were you!

I am on my way as we speak. Oh, Marko - That's $500 US dollars.....not
$500 Canadian.
Is it still a good deal? ;^)
>
>
>marko
>
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:39:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Koster
Subject: FE style Bellhousing

Hey y'all,

What are my chances of finding a FE style bellhousing for a '61 FE 390
to go with a '63 T-98 tranny and what'll cost me?


Thanks.

from Dan
in Georgia




_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:57:03 -0800
From: "Gillespie, John D."
Subject: RE: perogie ford / 64 F-100

-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Varner [SMTP:varners ten-nash.ten.k12.tn.us]
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 1998 2:29 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: perogie ford / 64 F-100

At 01:55 PM 2/18/98 -0800, you wrote:
>

>Stu, and Rick:
>
>Yeah, I agree, although it's cheaper to eat too many perogies!

>
Grandma used to make some good ones with potatoes and cheese.
How I miss her!
Fry those babies up in butter and onions! Give you lip gasms!

>Stu, go for it you nut. Don't even think twice, even if it's a
bit of a
>rust bucket. As long as it stops, goes, doesn't boil, and
won't blow up
>anytime soon, it's bound to have at least $500 in parts on it!
Hell, I'd do
>it if I were you!

I am on my way as we speak. Oh, Marko - That's $500 US
dollars.....not
$500 Canadian.
Is it still a good deal? ;^)


Stu If you are not jumping on it. Where is it so I can buy it.
John
>
>
>marko

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:29:49 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: perogie ford

>
>
>marko maryniak wrote:
>
>> >
>> >at the risk of being obvious, a perogie Ford is what Greek Ford mechanics
>> >eat for lunch
>> >
>> >Rick Brewster
>> >
>>
>> Obviously, Rick, you are not Ukrainian like me. Greeks eat souvlaki.
>> Ukrainians eat perogies.
>>
>> marko in vancouver
>
>I stand corrected, my aplogies.....


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