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In this issue:

Re:fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #92 ["Chris Findlay" ]
Re: My 67-72 Site is Up [George Herpich ]
Re: 1969 F100 Project ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Vin question [Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)]
Re: Mr. Ranger, (71 F100) ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Vin question [shoman p3.net]
Re: My 67-72 Site is Up ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Vin question ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: F-100/F-150 Tracking Arms [BDIJXS aol.com]
Re: Vin question [JRFiero aol.com]
Re: My 67-72 Site is Up [marko ]
Re: Vin question ["Deacon" ]
Re: F-100/F-150 Tracking Arms ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: My 67-72 Site is Up ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: My 67-72 Site is Up ["Deacon" ]
Re: Vin question ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: 360 questions [RL ]
Re: 360 questions ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: 360 questions [RL ]
Re: misc. parts sources needed [Ken Payne ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #90 [Chezpip aol.com]
Re: 460s intact... ["Dennis K. Austin" ]
FS: Headers ["Michael Connor" ]
Subscription numbers back up [Ken Payne ]
9" Ford [Brian ]
Re: 360 questions [ECampb5214 aol.com]

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 03:55:48 -0700
From: "Chris Findlay"
Subject: Re:fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #92

Novell and Sales Operations will be closed on Monday Feb 16 for Presidents =
Day.

Chris Findlay.

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 06:58:20 -0500
From: George Herpich
Subject: Re: My 67-72 Site is Up

shoman p3.net wrote:
>
> Ford truck members...My web page is up..Its my first try at it so
> I would appreciate any comments emailed to me after you visit it...
> What you like dislike, what I need to add etc...the url is
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://web.p3.net/~shoman/
>
> I really would appreciate some feedback.

Great site! As a new owner(2 days) of a '71 F100 I found some usefull
info like data codes. I ordered shop manuals but won't see them for a
week or so.
One question, my assy. plant code is J, it's not listed. This is a GA
truck, did they build trucks in Atlanta?
George

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 07:48:47 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: 1969 F100 Project

> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:47:40 -0800
> From: Don Grossman
> Subject: Re: 1969 F100 Project

> I am thinking of making a set of custom tie-rods using Heim joints
> with an adjustable track bar when I get to it.

Don, check with state laws before doing this. I just read that heim
joints are illegal in one of the eastern states, I think it was NJ or
NC can't remember now. We've also discussed this at some length and
the consensus is that they really harshen the ride and have a shorter
life expectancy than stock ends.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:28:49 -0500
From: Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)
Subject: Vin question

I have a 69 F-100 with Vin code G / 302 when you call most of the parts
places ( Pep Boys Auto Zone Etc.) they always say that they have 360 or
390 or I6s listed but not 302 if you say it is a 71 or 72 they have the
listings is this because there were more trucks made with 302s after
1970 or is it just because the 360 and 390s are more popular? Thanks in
advance for the info.

Duke's
Fine 69
F-100
302

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:30:55 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Mr. Ranger, (71 F100)

> From: "jerald merrick"
> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:36:32 MST
> Subject: Re: Mr. Ranger, (71 F100)

> The Ideal in drive, reverse is 650 RPM. and the manual that I am
> working from said that the ideal needs to be about 1200-1500 in
> park. and I know that all the lines but the one from the transmition
> to the carb are working. It is dead on time, the points are gaped
> correctly, the vacume advance is working. just can't get a vacume
> from the trany.

I've adjusted the idle on many autos and never had to rev them that
high to keep them running in drive or reverse. Manuals I usually
icle around 450 - 500 and autos generally 600 - 700 in neutral so
they idle near 450 - 500 in gear. The gear you put it in should have
ABSOLUTELY no affect on the idle speed from one to the other, they
should all have PRECISELY the same effect since it's the front pump
and torqu converter causing the load, not the gear since the vehicle
is not moving at this point but the input shaft is stopped in any
case. The fast idle they used to have on cars has to do with
emissions not the ability of the engine to keep running. I used to
break the plastic things off as soon as I got home with a new vehicle
so I could make it run the way I wanted :-)

If you have to idle it at 1500 in park or neutral (there should be no
difference since they are both neutral) to keep it running in gear
then the engine is not tuned right, it's that simple and my first
guess is a vacuum leak. It could be a bad carb which includes bad
gaskets which cause vacuum leaks or simply not adjusted properly or
it could be wires, plugs, valves. rings etc, etc, etc..

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:04:16 -0500
From: shoman p3.net
Subject: Re: Vin question

George,

I know how you feel...My 68(must be a late 68 has a 302 try explaing
that to pep boys :) I gave up and just use the 70 year, from
what I researched for my site Ford says that the 302 was offered in
mid 69 but some 68 Brochures show it as an option since it was
available for the Brocno in 68 also
hope this helps
Joe

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:29:45 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: My 67-72 Site is Up

> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 06:58:20 -0500
> From: George Herpich
> Subject: Re: My 67-72 Site is Up

> > Ford truck members...My web page is up..Its my first try at it so
> > I would appreciate any comments emailed to me after you visit
> > it... What you like dislike, what I need to add etc...the url is
> >
> > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://web.p3.net/~shoman/
> >
> > I really would appreciate some feedback.

I notice the page came up pretty quickly, I like that :-) Lots of
nice info and interesting animation too :-) Maybe when I retire I'll
set one up.............

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:44:27 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Vin question

> From: Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)
> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:28:49 -0500
> Subject: Vin question

> I have a 69 F-100 with Vin code G / 302 when you call most of the
> parts places ( Pep Boys Auto Zone Etc.) they always say that they
> have 360 or 390 or I6s listed but not 302 if you say it is a 71 or
> 72 they have the listings is this because there were more trucks
> made with 302s after 1970 or is it just because the 360 and 390s are
> more popular? Thanks in advance for the info.

I doubt if popularity has anything to do with it. It may have been a
competitively driven mid year option or they may have subsituted
302's for 360's at some point due to a parts shortage and it never
got listed as an official option for that year so the parts houses
data bases won't list it in that case.

Unlike the GM, olds fiasco ford can use any engine thay want since
they very seldom made a special engine for the Merc or Lincoln lines
from the 60's on. One exception is the 410 FE Merc engine and
another is the lincoln 460 with crank power steering pump I
understand but the 302 is a 302 so they can legally throw it into
anything they want as lont as it's marked correctly :-)

The books show my T-bird as having a certain disk brake pad but it's
the drum rear and has disk rear front pads. A substitution no doubt
at the factory but not listed as an option in ford's books so parts
people don't list it either.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:49:40 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: Re: F-100/F-150 Tracking Arms

Hey 1/2-ton People,

Those of you who have lift kits on your 1/2-ton 4x4s, did you do anything
special with the tracking arm? I have about a 4" lift, and I had made a new
frame bracket which lowered to the upper pivot point...seems to work OK. I
know the alternative is to use an adjustable tracking arm. I'm thinking of
cutting the toe-in adjuster out of some old tie-rods I have, and welding it
into the tracking arm. Has anyone done this? The reason I'm considering this
is I might update my spring tower and upper shock mounts (along with the 77
front axle I'm installing. By the way, this is in a 69 4x4, but I have been
running a 74' front end for about 15 years). Since these coil springs require
the double shock setup, I would look for a set of the front shock brackets off
the 78-79 Bronco. I believe that the driver's side front shock bracket is also
the tracking arm bracket, is this true? That would mean my tracking arm upper
pivot point would be back in the stock position and possibly an adustable
tracking arm is needed? Maybe there really is no worry here since the front
end would be pulled only slightly towards the driver's side with the lift....

Also, those of you with 78-79 4x4's, is there a sway bar installed on the
front axle, or was it optional? I think I've seen these on the 78-79
Broncos...do they really do anything? If I find a junked Bronco, I could grab
this as well...

Colorado Jeff

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:25:21 EST
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: Vin question

In a message dated 98-02-14 08:29:27 EST, you write:


places ( Pep Boys Auto Zone Etc.) they always say that they have 360 or
390 or I6s listed but not 302 if you say it is a 71 or 72 they have the
listings is this because there were more trucks made with 302s after
1970 or is it just because the 360 and 390s are more popular? Thanks in
advance for the info.
>>
This is curious. I have two books with VINs and engine codes, and they differ
for the '69s. I'm getting so I don't trust either one of them.
The Red Book lists engine code G as a 302 in 69. However, for '68 it has
(Bronco) after the listing for the 302. Next time this happens ask them to
look up a 69 Bronco to see what happens.
The 1946-1972 Catalog of Ford Truck ID Numbers does not list a 302 in 69 F-
Series, but it does list it for Broncos, as a G code. Same for '68.
Do we know from checking the VIN that your truck is actually a '69?

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:42:03 -0800
From: marko
Subject: Re: My 67-72 Site is Up

Gary:

I love it!!

Good info, nice layout, and the animation down at the end is, well, pretty
darn special.


marko in vancouver
marko helix.net

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:20:38 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: Vin question

>From Gary

>The books show my T-bird as having a certain disk brake pad but it's
>the drum rear and has disk rear front pads. A substitution no doubt
>at the factory but not listed as an option in ford's books so parts
>people don't list it either.

Gez, I hate it when that happens! What is it that happens? I'm not sure
I'm thinking your saying what I think your thinking your saying, I
think! So what are you saying? :)


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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 11:52:15 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: F-100/F-150 Tracking Arms

> From: BDIJXS aol.com
> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:49:40 EST
> Subject: Re: F-100/F-150 Tracking Arms

> Those of you who have lift kits on your 1/2-ton 4x4s, did you do
> anything special with the tracking arm? I have about a 4" lift, and

You should use a drop pitman arm and drop bracket with the same drop
as the lift or some approximation at least to keep the geometry more
nearly stock. The key is to keep the drag link and track bar as
nearly parallel as possible and as nearly on the axle axis as
possible for best handling and least "Bump steer".

> adjustable tracking arm. I'm thinking of cutting the toe-in adjuster
> out of some old tie-rods I have, and welding it into the tracking
> arm. Has anyone done this? The reason I'm considering this is I

I did this on my van conversion to save money on tie rods since the
short ends were only $18 and the long bar is $120 or so but don't
recommend this for safety reasons. There are adjustable drag links
and track bars out there but if you want to make your own drag link,
get a piece of 4150, semi hard bar stock, have the ends threaded for
78-14 thread and you can screw the adjuster sleeve on for the drag
link and use standard short tie rod ends.

For the track bar you would have to cut it in the straight section
near the passenger side and thread it for the 7/8" sleeve and use one
of them to connect the pieces but this will make a weaker track bar
of course. A better approach is to use a machined piece of 4150 semi
hard stock large enough to make a sleeve to just slip over the track
bar diameter (1-1/16") with threaded ends either 1-1/16" thread or
1" (easier to find). Use ascii to view this:


-------------------------------------
|_________ __________|
|_______________|

Threaded area
________________
__________| |_________
| |
-------------------------------------

Make the sleeve areas about 2" long on each side with about 6" of
thread in the center for a total length of 10" and a wall thickness
of about 1/4" or a little more for strength. Since you can take one
end off to adjust the length you can use right hand threads for the
whole thing in this case as you can in the drag link if you match the
right parts.

> coil springs require the double shock setup, I would look for a set
> of the front shock brackets off the 78-79 Bronco. I believe that the
> driver's side front shock bracket is also the tracking arm bracket,
> is this true?

Yes it is true but it's mild steel and an extension can be easily
added if you like. As I said you really should try to keep
everything horizontal if possible for best handling.

> Also, those of you with 78-79 4x4's, is there a sway bar installed
> on the front axle, or was it optional? I think I've seen these on
> the 78-79 Broncos...do they really do anything? If I find a junked
> Bronco, I could grab this as well...

Sway bars really make a handling difference on the highway. I can
take curves almost as well as a well setup mustang........well maybe
not quite :-) They interfere with axle articulation off road but
most of us won't notice. The other thing they do is allow softer
suspension with less body roll in turns for a better highway ride but
at the same time reduce independent suspension charicteristics
somewhat. If you have the right combination of soft suspension and
sway bar you can have pretty nice ride characteristics with less body
roll sort of like having your cake and eating it too :-)

As I set up my steering dampers and axle truss I am making sure to
allow for the sway bar, mine's staying on :-) With a lift it can
become a nuisance tho so you'll have to weigh your needs.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 11:55:28 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: My 67-72 Site is Up

> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:42:03 -0800
> From: marko
> Subject: Re: My 67-72 Site is Up

> Gary:
>
> I love it!!
>
> Good info, nice layout, and the animation down at the end is, well,
> pretty darn special.

It's not my site Marko, I forgot who's it is now? Or is his name
Gary too? Just sent it and can't remember who it was. Now we can
have a contest for worst memory instead of oldest or uglyest like we
were doing on the bronco list :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:23:38 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: My 67-72 Site is Up

>> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:42:03 -0800
>> From: marko
>> Subject: Re: My 67-72 Site is Up
>
>> Gary:
>>
>> I love it!!
>>
>> Good info, nice layout, and the animation down at the end is, well,
>> pretty darn special.
>
>It's not my site Marko, I forgot who's it is now? Or is his name
>Gary too? Just sent it and can't remember who it was. Now we can
>have a contest for worst memory instead of oldest or uglyest like we
>were doing on the bronco list :-)
>
>78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
>78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
>
>-- Gary --

It's Joe's page. He's shoman p3.net in the "From" column. I also liked
his work. Nice job Joe! I like everything you've done. Informative as
well as good looks. I'm stealing a lot of your hard work for my page. :)


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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:53:39 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Vin question

> From: "Deacon"
> Subject: Re: Vin question
> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:20:38 -0800

> Gez, I hate it when that happens! What is it that happens? I'm not
> sure I'm thinking your saying what I think your thinking your
> saying, I think! So what are you saying? :)

I knew I'd have to rephrase that as soon as I pushed the button :-)
The versions with rear disk brakes use a different front pad than the
rear drum brake versions but mine was a factory "use up what we got"
version so I got the front pads for the rear dist brake version
instead of the other ones. If the parts houses had all that info in
their computers it would confuse the parts chimps and customers too
so they don't bother unless it was a really big change affecting a
large volume of vehicles.

Assembly plants make last minute substitutions all the time and
figure the dealers can handle the descrepancies and the car will
probably not need the service till the warantee runs out anyway so it
won't impact on the sales etc..

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:45:37 -0600 (CST)
From: RL
Subject: Re: 360 questions

Ok my truck has a 360 which from the list isn't very good on gas mileage.
Now its got probbly 160,000 miles on it. It runs good except that it
blows/leaks a mixture of oil/water out of the left tailpipe. You can
visibly see it drip out. Now what would be causing it to do that? Would
the left valves or head need to be redone? What can be done to improve gas
mileage. I'd like to drive it this summer as it's sitting right now. It
seems it needs a fill up every 2 or 3 days.
Thanks for your help
Ryan


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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 13:59:28 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: 360 questions

> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:45:37 -0600 (CST)
> From: RL
> Subject: Re: 360 questions

> tailpipe. You can visibly see it drip out. Now what would be causing
> it to do that? Would the left valves or head need to be redone? What
> can be done to improve gas mileage.

It's very normal for water to run out of a "cold" tail pipe. Once
warmed up it should remain vaporized so it won't be apparent in the
tail pipe as water dripping. If you are not losing any coolant or
only a small amount and some signs of leakage are present here and
there on the engine then I wouldn't worry about it. My 351M and 460
both spray water all over the place when cold :-)

> I'd like to drive it this summer
> as it's sitting right now. It seems it needs a fill up every 2 or 3
> days. Thanks for your help Ryan

Ryan, this is very bad! I usually don't have to fill mine up unless
I drive it :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 13:14:16 -0600 (CST)
From: RL
Subject: Re: 360 questions

Ok thats fine. I didn't know so thats less I got to fix.
Thanks
Ryan

> It's very normal for water to run out of a "cold" tail pipe. Once
> warmed up it should remain vaporized so it won't be apparent in the
> tail pipe as water dripping. If you are not losing any coolant or
> only a small amount and some signs of leakage are present here and
> there on the engine then I wouldn't worry about it. My 351M and 460
> both spray water all over the place when cold :-)
>
> > I'd like to drive it this summer
> > as it's sitting right now. It seems it needs a fill up every 2 or 3
> > days. Thanks for your help Ryan
>
> Ryan, this is very bad! I usually don't have to fill mine up unless
> I drive it :-)
>
> 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
> 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
>
> -- Gary --
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 15:05:31 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: misc. parts sources needed

Have you tried Macs or Obsolete Ford?

At 08:55 PM 2/13/98 -0800, you wrote:
- -snip-
>
>The truck is in generally good mechanical shape. Due to years
>of inactivity it has several nagging problems. The most important
>of which is that I need to rebuild/replace the front wheel brake
>cylinders. It appears that Ford used a non-standard brake cylinder
>on these trucks and I've been having trouble locating replacements.
>Any parts source or acceptable interchange ideas would be appreciated.
>
>The body on the other hand is rough. The hood in particular is
>shot and I would like to find a reputable source for replacement.
>
>Thanks in advance for any leads

Best place for the hood is the junkyard.

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 15:13:40 EST
From: Chezpip aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #90

as with practically anything discontinued, do the after market thing. try
anywhere, even hardware parts stores. sometimes the mom and pop places have
an old dude back there that can fabricate anything with a couple feet of hose
and a valve or switch. give it a shot, use an open mind and try drawing
pictures... good luck

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 14:28:11 -0600
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: Re: 460s intact...

For you guys who need one I found three 460 CIDs today in a boneyard
intact with 4bbl carbs completely intact. Two are in Lincoln town cars.
One is in a Mercury Grand M.

If you are interested in purchasing one of these you will have to call
"Pipes U-Pull-it Auto Parts", they have three yards. These 460s were
in their south yard on 9889 Mansfield Road, Shreveport, La. The phone
number there is 318-688-8989. No..I don't work for them. I was just
scrounging parts this morning and found them.

- -=DENNIS=-

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 13:29:06 -0700
From: "Michael Connor"
Subject: FS: Headers

Gang,

I was cleaning out my storage area today and came
across some headers that I'd forgotten I'd had.

Brand new - Hedman Headers, fits 77 1/2 - 79
Ford 4WD pickup, 78-79 Bronco with 351M/400

I special ordered them years ago for my truck, only
to discover that they would not fit my 77 - only 77 1/2
and newer. Since they were a special order the speed
shop would not take them back...:-(

If you're in the Phoenix area and you can use them,
gimme $40 and take 'em home. If you're not in Phoenix-
I dunno, maybe we could figure something out. They might
as well go to someone who can use them.

Thanks,

Mike
Phoenix, AZ
77 F250 4WD 460/C6

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 18:05:30 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Subscription numbers back up

About a month ago I stated that membership on this list
was declining. Well, I just checked the numbers and it
looks like the group is growing rapidly again. We now
have 495 members on this list.

Someone has suggested a performance list. Judging by
the amount of traffic on this list it may be a possibility.
I'm not going to add anymore lists until I have the
Majordomo software working on www.ford-trucks.com so I
can host the lists myself for free. Right now with 5
lists its $20/month just for the list services. Once
I have majordomo working (same software that the lists
use now) more lists are a possibility. Again, this would
be up to the members via web voting.

Ken
PS. Web pictorial updated, over 10 trucks added today.

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 18:10:23 -0500
From: Brian
Subject: 9" Ford

Hey gang.
I pulled the rear end apart today on my '64 to check out its well being.....


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