fordtrucks61-79-digest Wednesday, February 11 1998 Volume 02 : Number 087



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In this issue:

Re: Rear end ratio change & distributor [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Re: E 350 [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Accelerator Pump woes ["MICHAEL THOMAS" ]
RE: Heater core trouble. :( ["Abajo, Ed" ]
351M Horror Story [gpark cymer.com]
Bucket seats for 70 F-100 [SMOKEY5209 aol.com]
Re: good moods in a ford truck. [Tyler Wilkins ]
good moods in a ford truck. [ECampb5214 aol.com]
Re: E 350 [ECampb5214 aol.com]
RE: Heater core trouble. :( ["Abajo, Ed" ]
FE Cylinder Heads [BDIJXS aol.com]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #85 ["Dennis K. Austin"
Re: '78 F250- Good deal? [wayside cyberhighway.net (Rob Patelke)]
Re: Looking around My Classic Car Page ["Dennis K. Austin"
Re: '78 F250- Good deal? [John MacNamara ]
Re: 351M Horror Story [A64F100 aol.com]
Re: good moods in a ford truck. ["Deacon" ]
Re: Bucket seats for 70 F-100 [CandyDMan aol.com]

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:47:26 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: Rear end ratio change & distributor

>
>The ford corporate is more limited but the Dana 60 has many choices.
>Summit, Jeggs, Cepek and others have gears listed for them. We need
>to know the tire size, just take a tape out there and eyeball the
>overall diameter horizontally and we can get it in the ball park :-)
>Or if you want measure the actual rolling radius (from the ground
>to the center of the axle) and I can calculate it for you. Ford will
>only sell what it offered on the vehicle and on older ones they don't
>even stock all of those.......:-(
>

The tires are stock 235-85-16 radials. I'll look for a tag and post the VIN
tonight if the VIN gives any hint about final drive ratio.


marko

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:49:53 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: E 350

>I would like to purchase an E350 cab and chassis. ( Van type front end
>with at least 161" wheel base and dual rear wheels. Some times
>referred to as Box vans. They are most commonly used in motorhomes
>and city delivery vans for furniture companys and such.
>
>Keep me in mind if you see one cheap.
>
>Azie


Are these the same as cube vans?


marko in vancouver
marko helix.net

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:56:58 -0500
From: "MICHAEL THOMAS"
Subject: Accelerator Pump woes

This is a confusing one for any 2BBL fellas.
The 400 on my '77 has the Motorcraft2150 2V. Is the accel pump lever
(the one on the throttle shaft w/ the adjustable notches) supposed to
be spring loaded??? I see a spring inside the accel. pump lever that
coils around the throttle shaft and the lever seems independent of
the throttle shaft. I ask this because I have aceel. pump action
from only idle to half-throttle, leaving the other half starving for
gas up to WOT, where accel. pump action is required the most,
right??? I have observed the action of the accel. pump and it
finishes travel at half throttle. It seems that the pump lever rests
on a notch on the throttle shaft... and you can pull the lever the
opposite direction of its regular travel, release it, and it goes
back to that notch on the shaft. I guess what I am saying is that I
bought this carb a year ago at a Parts America store here at home.
It is a 2150 remanufactured by Holley. Do I have the wrong carb??
Or is it a screw up on Holley's part?? I have tried to change the
pump diaphragm, adjust the accel. pump linkage, installing a spring
to counteract the present spring force on the lever. There is no ID
tag on any of those remans, I just bought it according to vehicle
application.
My brother has a '83 F150 w/302 and also a 2150. It has a few
different emmision things on it, but the carb is basically the same.
His accel. pump travels the FULL length from idle to WOT, and the
pump lever on his isn't spring loaded. It is like it is attached to
the throttle shaft. Could anyone w/ a carb like mine check out their
truck tonight and see how their accel. pump works?? Is it the full
travel from idle to WOT, or is it set to discharge at a certain
point?? If I have the choke closed to the cold position (I have
manual choke), I have more power, but still not enough. (I would
guess it would cause more fueling.) The float level is fine, the
power valve is fine, I just changed the fuel pump.
I just surpassed the 1000 mile mark on the overhaul of this 400. I
would like to see what it can really do now.


M. Dustin Thomas
mdthomas nc.edu
KB9OGG (If you're a ham.)
Young and dumb.

'77 F150 Ranger, 400 V-8 (I need 4WD!!)
'91 G*C Sonoma (Up for sale, anyone interested??)

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:35:26 -0800
From: "Abajo, Ed"
Subject: RE: Heater core trouble. :(

I have a 73 with factory A/C and I also need to replace a leaking heater
core -- I don't have access to the Helm manual -- could you tell us what
the manual says? Also, can anyone tell me where to get a copy of the
Helm manual for a 1973 F-250? How much are they?

> ----------
> From: Hogan, Tom[SMTP:Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com]
> Reply To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 1998 10:40 AM
> To: 'fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net'
> Subject: RE: Heater core trouble. :(
>
> Daniel,
> Don't despair! I had my heater core out to replace the blower motor
> in
> my 76. I have factory air. It turned out to be a project that I put
> my
> self through more pain worrying about it before the job than the
> amount
> of pain actually performing it!! There should be a sicker in the
> engine
> compartment on the A/C evaporator housing on the firewall that says
> "Do
> NOT open this assembly to service the blower motor..." or something to
> that effect. BELIEVE it!!! You have to go in through the passenger
> compartment. Took me about 4 hours alone to do the job. Following
> the
> factory procedure in the Helm manual I was able to do it WITHOUT
> dumping
> the refrigerant charge in the A/C system.
>
> Let me know if you need more info.
>
> Tom H.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:44:46 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Daniel H. Jenkins"
> Subject: Heater core trouble. :(
>
> Well, here's the latest on my truck. My windows have been
> fogging
> up REALLY bad all winter; I've had my windows lokking like the inside
> of
> a hot house. Anyway, I just figured that it was due to the size of my
> truck (I have a supercab). Well, today cloud of steam and the smell
> of
> antifreeze were coming out of my vents. :( :( :( On the bright side,
> no
> anti-freeze is leaking in to the cab!! So, do I need to change out my
> heater core, or is there something else worth looking in to? If I do
> have
> to change it out, what kind of a job am I looking at? I have a 1977
> F150
> Supercab with a 400ci V8 and factory air. I need to do it soon, since
> I'm
> freezing my tookus off here in Reno. Thanks for the help.
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:46:19 -0800
From: gpark cymer.com
Subject: 351M Horror Story

Hey Tyler,
Do you know if your block was cast at the Michigan plant verse the
Cleveland one? I was practically shaking in my boots as I crawled up on my
motor to shine a light on the casting mark (it's back by the oil pressure
sender). I was so glad to see the "CF" mark, I banged my head on the hood.
I guess it was only the Michigan 351M's that had the cracking problem built
into them.

Hey, update on this gilligan's island motor-mania; Number one- I can't wait
to file my rotor and my cap, since there's a good amount of crud on there,
and I would love a 5% increase in mileage, let alone a 15%! I keep looking
for the trick to make this motor pull like it should. Now that I know
compression is good, and the timing chain is new, PLUS I put one of those
chains that you can set the valve timing to 0 Degrees instead of the
standard -4 degrees. I thought this would give me gobs of low end, or even
a little gob, especially since the old chain was so worn. But it's still a
dog. Just a better running dog that doesn't overheat.
I say either my ignition is screwy, as in advance, or my carb is weak,
which I doubt.

Number two, my vacuum routing must be straight from hell. Tyler, I
received the schematic you sent (thank you, and forgive me for not thanking
you immediately- I've been consumed with the cooling problem), and there
are some distinct diffs in our system. You have that vacuum tree with all
the ports? My vehicle has a tree back there by the sender, with some ports
capped. I think there are only 3 ports, two capped, minus the big one for
the brake. I really have no idea what SHOULD go there, since I don't trust
the way it was hooked up. The only thing I know goes there is the power
brake vacuum.
I going to post a mail to the group to ask some specifics once I look it
over real good and determine what it is I need to know.

As far as water goes, that gasket along the firewall, the one to seal the
hood? It's all cracked and in some spots is totally missing. going to go
to AutoKrafters to get a new one. I suppose water could be getting in there
from that spot, although how it would work it's way into the motor, I don't
know.

GP

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:11:00 EST
From: SMOKEY5209 aol.com
Subject: Bucket seats for 70 F-100

I have received a lot of good information from this list. I now have a
question. I want to replace the bench seat in my 70 F-100 with a set of bucket
seats. I was curious if any one would have a suggestion what to look for in
the way of seats. Also I would prefer something that would more or less just
bolt in. Would a set of buckets from a full size Bronco work? Awaiting any and
all replies.
Thanks in Advance

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:39:59 -0600
From: Tyler Wilkins
Subject: Re: good moods in a ford truck.

Sleddog wrote:

> so, for every hour with my truck, she gets two!! :)

You must have a LOT of FREE time!

:)

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:50:03 EST
From: ECampb5214 aol.com
Subject: good moods in a ford truck.

Those trucks r small enough to fish pool in.

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:52:17 EST
From: ECampb5214 aol.com
Subject: Re: E 350

Im going to get 2 of those someday and weld 2 of them together and make a van
20ft long

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:57:31 -0800
From: "Abajo, Ed"
Subject: RE: Heater core trouble. :(

I have a 73 with factory A/C and I also need to replace a leaking heater
core -- I don't have access to the Helm manual -- could you tell us what
the manual says? Also, can anyone tell me where to get a copy of the
Helm manual for a 1973 F-250? How much are they?


> ----------
> From: Hogan, Tom[SMTP:Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com]
> Reply To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 1998 10:40 AM
> To: 'fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net'
> Subject: RE: Heater core trouble. :(
>
> Daniel,
> Don't despair! I had my heater core out to replace the blower motor
> in
> my 76. I have factory air. It turned out to be a project that I put
> my
> self through more pain worrying about it before the job than the
> amount
> of pain actually performing it!! There should be a sicker in the
> engine
> compartment on the A/C evaporator housing on the firewall that says
> "Do
> NOT open this assembly to service the blower motor..." or something to
> that effect. BELIEVE it!!! You have to go in through the passenger
> compartment. Took me about 4 hours alone to do the job. Following
> the
> factory procedure in the Helm manual I was able to do it WITHOUT
> dumping
> the refrigerant charge in the A/C system.
>
> Let me know if you need more info.
>
> Tom H.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:44:46 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Daniel H. Jenkins"
> Subject: Heater core trouble. :(
>
> Well, here's the latest on my truck. My windows have been
> fogging
> up REALLY bad all winter; I've had my windows lokking like the inside
> of
> a hot house. Anyway, I just figured that it was due to the size of my
> truck (I have a supercab). Well, today cloud of steam and the smell
> of
> antifreeze were coming out of my vents. :( :( :( On the bright side,
> no
> anti-freeze is leaking in to the cab!! So, do I need to change out my
> heater core, or is there something else worth looking in to? If I do
> have
> to change it out, what kind of a job am I looking at? I have a 1977
> F150
> Supercab with a 400ci V8 and factory air. I need to do it soon, since
> I'm
> freezing my tookus off here in Reno. Thanks for the help.
>
> -
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:05:34 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FE Cylinder Heads

OK guys,

Lets see how good you really are.

I'm building a 428 for low end power. I have a crank and a set of 360 heads
(C8AE-H, with 1.34"x1.93" (they don't have the 2.26" height) intake ports.
Now, the stock intake manifold has (approximately) 1.14"x1.78" intake port
dimensions. The Edelbrock Performer manifold I'm going to use has even smaller
ports than stock with something near 1"x 1.75". This must be how Edelbrock
squeezes out better response by speeding up the air/fuel mixture with the
smaller port.

Now, I've heard of people matching up the intake manifold ports to the
cylinder head ports, but this translates into almost 3/10" off the top and
bottom walls of the Performer!. When people are matching these up, are the
usually widening the ports on the cylinder heads to bigger ports on a intake
manifold?

What is the ramification of this sudden discontinuity, other than the air
slowing down to fill the larger volume? Is it best to remove the discontinuity
and match them up, or does the discontinuity help "mix things up" for a better
charge?

If I went to the other standard 390 heads (the ones with 2.26" tall ports),
there would be an even bigger discontinuity since the ports are more than 1/4"
taller the 360 heads I have now....

To sum it up, would a bigger discontinuity be better or worse? (I have the
suspicion that it would be worse).

Since the Christ book didn't list the intake port size on the FT heads (which
I assume are built for pulling, and therefore have the smaller valves), I
would assume they would have smaller intake ports than the FE's. I'm wondering
if the FT heads would be the best solution, they have smaller ports and
valves, but a bigger combustion chamber to lower the compression ratio. I know
the heat risers are in a different place, but these could probably be blocked
off anyway to lower the intake charge temperature (this is out of Vizard's
book "How to Build Horsepower").

Any ideas here which cylinder head setup would be the way to go?

Colorado Jeff









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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:25:21 -0600
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #85

Hey Admiral as to Donut World I "do-nut know?" Ha!

I have read that the '57 (of course is the most rare), but that the '59
is the most collectible. However, I wouldn't mind finding one of those
'69-'70s, if I remember right, that had the SCJ with the shaker hood.
Of course you can enlighten these guys on it better as to specs. I saw
one advertised once and the ad said "Brutally Fast!" Somebody lifted my
Ranchero history book from one of my cars. Probably while putting it
through the car wash.

By the way I found that show "My Classic Car" now has its web page up at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.myclassicar.com

I found a classified section in there and there are a lot of F-100 resto
projects for sale and some Rancheros too. Some as low as $1,000 or best
offer. I even saw some old Ford Panel Trucks in the list.

On the show this weekend they happened to be showing a reunion car show
of those cars that have been featured on My Classic Car. One of the
cars they talked about was a beautiful metallic blue 7 liter 66 Galaxie
(Drooling!!!). And for you guys who like to collect things, if I heard
him right, there are only 49 known across the country to be registered.
Keep in mind there are about 1000 DeLoreans (sp?) registered.

Oh by the way... I hurt my disabled back again just trying to slightly
reposition my NP435 or ATA435 or whatever you want to call it... Now is
the time to put it back in the truck from underneath. I am not doing a
frame-off restoration. I am NOT LOOKING FORWARD to putting it back in
because of the weight. I look forward to driving it, but not
man-handling it to get it back in. Why is that thing sooooo heavy?!

P.S. to the ol' salt... Ranchero's down here in Louisiana are plentiful,
but they are treated like old farm trucks and are just as worn out too.
I have yet to see one worth doing anythng to for resto or recovery. As
you know its a lot harder to resto a Ranchero than an ol' F-100.

- -=DENNIS=-
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:38:45 -0800
> From: "Admiral J.R.E. Mc Kenzie"
> Subject: Dennis why are the parking lots at Donut World so SMALL ?!!!.......
>
> Attention All Ford Hans on Deck!!!...
>
> Dennis Great message on Ranchero's and Ranchero State registration!
>
> Well Gentlmen, Ladys, Boys,& Girls ( and you to Dennis ) some
> Ranchero facts ( not to be quoted on everyone as my information source may
> NOT be 100% correct okay ), the complete production numbers ( as close as I
> can find ) are 492,266 Ranchero's in thier Twenty Two years of production.
> Is that correct, suggesations perhaps? ( May I bow now?! ), and in 1973
> Henry's little boys made us Men 45,741 Ranchero toys!
>
> My " El Ranchero " is a 1975 which is fine I thought she had a 400 "
> UNTILL " I checked Her VIN codes, and felt overlly stupid ( which is normal
> for me ), then " OVERWHELMED!!!! As " El Ranchero " has a beautifully & Very
> Powerful 460 rahter than a 400!!! Stunned shocked, & Surprised, slightly so
> said silly stupidly!!! Any one like a copy of the production figures e mail
> me and I'll send them off to you, every year and model as well. Please don't
> ask me why I do these things I just do so accept it okay?!!!...
>
> Issue Two sliding rear window bet you thought an easy one well....
> for my 1975 " El Ranchero ", Yah fooled you!!! Canpopy also would be nice to
> locate? I'm also on the hunt for a pair of doors with little rust ( shall we
> leave the door on that one ), chrome trim for the upper box is another item
> I'm looking for... You know these foolish fords really frustrate me,
> something along those lines?!!!! Ralley wheels anyone set of four would be
> devine, three welcome and fine, two would make me search more in time, one
> still would be less to look for and save me time?
>
> It's now 01:45 and time to head off to the " Goats Rack ", so please
> keep your eyes open if you located ANY of those items please e mail me
> directly, and I'll respond A- SAP! I check my messages several times per day.
>
> Mc Kenzie ( Ret.)
=

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:46:59 GMT
From: wayside cyberhighway.net (Rob Patelke)
Subject: Re: '78 F250- Good deal?

Thanks to Marko, Brian, Don, Bill, Don, & Gary,
Perhaps I should have my head examined, but I bought it; will actually
acquire it next week. We'll know whether it was a good idea by the number
of requests for help I have to post :).
Thanks to all for you input.

Rob

On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:58:44 -0500, you wrote:

>Rob, I don't know where your located but for here in Minnesota, thats
>abit high. I purchased a 1978 F150 4x4 3006cyl 4 speed with 15x10
>aluminum wheels and 35" tires for $1700.00 Body is good, some rust, but
>engine runs great.I'd pick up a auto trader and check the going price on
>models that are similiar. That's how I put a price on my '96 to sell it.=
=09
>=09
> Brian
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:56:00 -0600
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: Re: Looking around My Classic Car Page

Hey Ken,
How about checking this place out and getting us listed as a link off
their pages. Also, they have a list into late '99 of car shows, but the
one you are going to isn't listed.

Oh, by the way... would we all be considered a automotive club? we
don't have dues or by-laws, but we do live by the rules of our web
site. So, are we a club?

- -=DENNIS=-

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:58:34 -0800
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: '78 F250- Good deal?

Rob Patelke wrote:
>
> Thanks to Marko, Brian, Don, Bill, Don, & Gary,
> Perhaps I should have my head examined, but I bought it; will actually
> acquire it next week. We'll know whether it was a good idea by the number
> of requests for help I have to post :).
> Thanks to all for you input.
>
> Rob

Rob: I've had three 78 trucks and wouldn't own any other model. I
think you will be quite happy. These were IMHO the best of the ford
trucks.

Enjoy!

John

78 F250 4X4 Supercab
67 GT500
66 427 Vette
>
> On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:58:44 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >Rob, I don't know where your located but for here in Minnesota, thats
> >abit high. I purchased a 1978 F150 4x4 3006cyl 4 speed with 15x10
> >aluminum wheels and 35" tires for $1700.00 Body is good, some rust, but
> >engine runs great.I'd pick up a auto trader and check the going price on
> >models that are similiar. That's how I put a price on my '96 to sell it.
> >
> > Brian
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:30:16 EST
From: A64F100 aol.com
Subject: Re: 351M Horror Story

In a message dated 98-02-10 17:49:11 EST, you write:


Cleveland one? I was practically shaking in my boots as I crawled up on my
motor to shine a light on the casting mark (it's back by the oil pressure
sender). I was so glad to see the "CF" mark, I banged my head on the hood.
I guess it was only the Michigan 351M's that had the cracking problem built
into them. >>

Is this true? please say yes.. I dread having to probably tear down my engine
saturday, but I hope it's just a head gasket. I looked at the block and saw
mark that says CP in sort of a half circle. Is this the cleveland stamp? I
hope nothing's cracked, or I'll be off to find another motor once again...
Also, I recently saw a car at the junkyard with a C or M series motor (can't
renember) that appeared to have aluminum heads. Is this possible, or were my
eyes just full of dirt from getting the tranny kickdown?
Thanx for any help..

Later,
Scott L

*Keep It Ford Blue*

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:54:36 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: good moods in a ford truck.

>me thinks it IS my ford that causes mine her bad moods sometimes! she
>won't admit it, but i know my compulsive and obsesive behavior towards
my
>truck (and other vehivles) gets to her. so, for every hour with my
truck,
>she gets two!! :)

I can't get my wife to lift a finger on my truck. How do you get her
to work on yours twice as long as you do?

Put another log on the fire. Cook me up some bacon and some beans.
Go out to the truck and change the tire. Then come and tell me why your
leaving me!


Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
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