Re: "Floating a Valve"

fordtrucks61-79-digest Sunday, February 8 1998 Volume 02 : Number 081

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In this issue:

Re: "Floating a Valve" [George Herpich ]
Re: 390FE Specifications [sdelanty ]
Re: FE Cylinder Heads [BDIJXS

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Water leaks [danadeb

pacbell.net]
where to put speakers in 66F100 [BEANER12

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Turn Signal Switch [BEANER12

aol.com]
RE: "Floating a Valve" [Sleddog ]
RE: "Floating a Valve" [Sleddog ]
RE: "Floating a Valve" [Keith Srb ]
Re: Turn Signal Switch [Keith Srb ]
Re: where to put speakers in 66F100 [Keith Srb ]
Re: Water leaks [DEAN LACY LINDA LACY ]
Re: where to put speakers in 66F100 [DEAN LACY LINDA LACY
Re: where to put speakers in 66F100 [BEANER12

aol.com]
Re: rust free ["Deacon" ]
Re: where to put speakers in 66F100 [Keith Srb ]
axle tag decode - help !! ["GLHorne" ]
Re: where to put speakers in 66F100 [Jesus Cardoso
Re: "Floating a Valve" [Jeff ]
RE: "Floating a Valve" [Kurt Albershardt ]
Re: "Floating a Valve" [Keith Srb ]
Re: "Floating a Valve" [Keith Srb ]
RE: "Floating a Valve" [Sleddog ]
Re: "Floating a Valve" [Jeff ]
Re: where to put speakers in 66F100 [GMPACHECO

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[none] ["Nathan B." ]
Re: where to put speakers in 66F100 [OldTrux

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Re: Claying the Pistons [Marv Miller ]

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 06:17:54 -0500
From: George Herpich
Subject: Re: "Floating a Valve"

Sleddog wrote:
>
> yes, you are both right. when the valve doesn't follow the load, and
> "floats", it returns to the seat suddenly and bounces back off. baouce can
> happen without float, but float will always (AFAIK) cuase a bounce too.
>
> sleddog
>
> ----------
> From: Jeff[SMTP:sifu

erols.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 1998 7:21 PM
> To: fordtrucks61-79

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> Subject: Re: "Floating a Valve"
>
> George Herpich wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Actually the valve closes but the spring lets it bounce off the seat.
> >
>
> George,
>
> The bounce effect you refer to is correct in most cases. However, many
> motors are capable of the folat I describe as well. Most of my history
> deals with Mopars and motorcycles. In both cases (depending on the
> motor), you could truly suspend the valve off the seat for short periods
> of time. Given the fact that the valves remain open in this state, power
> drops to almost nil as well bad mojo mechanically.
>
> Jeff

It is a widely held misconception that the valve simply skips along the
top of the lobe never closing during "float".
If you had springs weak enough to do that you would be experiencing
the bouncing effect at low to moderate rpms.

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 06:30:07 -0800
From: sdelanty
Subject: Re: 390FE Specifications

>Would someone please post the following info for a 390FE motor?
>1) Cylinder Block Deck Height

10.17" for all FE's

>2) Piston Compression Height

Ganahl lists the 390 as 1.78", but I've seen different ones.
Unfortunately Ganahl only lists specs for the 390's that are highest
up the food chain, 9.5-10.5:1 comp early sedan FE's, no truck FE's.
The low compression truck FE's have a shorter piston height but I
don't know the numbers.
Gahnal lists a range of 1.676" to 1.842 for the FE family.(352-428)

Connecting rods may be 6.488" (390-428) or 6.540" for 352
and (I think) 360.

>Second question, does any FE block have a taller deck height than a 390?

No.

Steve

"The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment
by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."
-- Justice Louis D. Brandeis

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 10:32:27 EST
From: BDIJXS

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Subject: Re: FE Cylinder Heads

Hey guys,

I've got a line on a set of heads with the following casting # : C8AE-R. I've
looked in my Christ book, but its not there. The guy says they are for a 428.
Anyone have another parts reference they can look at?

I was assuming that one would want 428 heads while building a 428. But maybe
my 360 heads would do the trick, just have them cleaned up to match my
manifold? It appears that many of the 360-428 heads (at least the casting
#'s!) are the same....

Colorado Jeff

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 08:14:01 -0800
From: danadeb

pacbell.net
Subject: Water leaks

I finally got the seals are replaced on my 70 F250, (windshield and doors) but I
still get a puddle of water on the left and right floor boards at the front
corner of both door openings. The water seems to be coming down the firewall on
the left side near the high beam switch and down the kick panel near the
firewall on the right side. most of the water enters when the truck is parked.

Any thoughts?

I have done the following to eliminate the leaks:

1) Taped over the cowl vent
2) replaced the windshield seal
3) replaced the door seals

The only places left are the rain gutter and hood / firewall.

The hood hinges are weak so the hood sits high in the rear so there is a gap
between the body and the hood. I have looked at the firewall and cant find any
obvious holes or bad grommets.

The leaking water was bad before but now that I have new door seals the water
cant flow out the door, so every time it rains I get a water fall when I open
the door! ( I am even thinking about drilling holes :-( )

HELP!!! Fred Flintstone is knocking on my door!!!!!!

Dana

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:54:17 EST
From: BEANER12

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Subject: where to put speakers in 66F100

I need some info on where some of you put speakers for a radio without having
to drill holes in the cab? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Eddie

Winter Haven, Fl

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:56:56 EST
From: BEANER12

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Subject: Turn Signal Switch

Did the 66 f100 switch have a spring to turn it off after you have made a
turn. Mine does not and I dont know if it even has one.Thanks for any info.

Thanks, Eddie

Winter Haven, Fl

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 13:03:12 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: "Floating a Valve"

end my speling is treriblely bad.
buy me books and send me to school and i still can't spell.

sleddog

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Sent: Saturday, February 07, 1998 11:14 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79

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Subject: Re: "Floating a Valve"

Sleddog wrote:

> yes, you are both right. when the valve doesn't follow the load, and
> "floats", it returns to the seat suddenly and bounces back off. baouce can
> happen without float, but float will always (AFAIK) cuase a bounce too.
>
> sleddog
>

Sleddog,

Your wisdom is as Soloman's...

Jeff

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 13:28:48 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: "Floating a Valve"

agreed, but i never said this. (or at least never meant to) yes, bounce
is there, but when pushed hard into the "red zone" the action of the valve
relative to the lobe on the camshaft shows that the valvetrain can't
accelerate fast enough to keep up with the lobe. at this point, the vlave
and lobe become "disconnected". the lifter will most likely come back to
the base circle of the cam, with full valve closer, and then the valve
bounces off the seat. the bounce can happen even when the cam lobe is
followed properly.

i have in truck pulling and drag racing seen (heard) some engines
experience valveflaot lightly, but continue to increase rpms. this would
be the bouncing part. as the rpms got higher, then the valvefloat became
very pronounced. (usually ending up with a hole in the piston or in the
case of the last motor i saw, the valve head off of the stem, and a hole in
the cylinder) it would seem that the bouncing generally doesn't cause
mechanical interference, but the interference occurs when the valve no
longer follows the lobe accurately.

this is the information i have been taught and read.

i have been wrong before, and if i am i stand corrected. many of the
liturauture i have is published from the 30's to the 60's, as i inherited
them from my grandfather, where much knowledge cam directly from him. he
designed, and helped design many engines over his years, from ball valve
engines to junkers aircraft engines to motorcycle racing engines, including
2 and 4 stoke, gas and deisel types. as an engineer i know know that over
the years understanding of mechanical motion still continues and new
understanding always brings new explainations. some things never change,
but new technology is amazing. only 20 yrs ago valvespring materials
couldn't handle the loads subjected to them now. spring design is even a
specialty all its own.

sleddog

It is a widely held misconception that the valve simply skips along the
top of the lobe never closing during "float".
If you had springs weak enough to do that you would be experiencing
the bouncing effect at low to moderate rpms.

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 10:48:11 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: RE: "Floating a Valve"

At 01:03 PM 2/8/98 -0500, you wrote:
>end my speling is treriblely bad.
>buy me books and send me to school and i still can't spell.
>

Kids, You buy'm books, and all they do is tear the cover off and eat the
pages. :-)

>sleddog
>
>----------
>From: Jeff[SMTP:sifu

erols.com]
>Sent: Saturday, February 07, 1998 11:14 PM
>To: fordtrucks61-79

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>Subject: Re: "Floating a Valve"
>
>
>
>Sleddog wrote:
>
>> yes, you are both right. when the valve doesn't follow the load, and
>> "floats", it returns to the seat suddenly and bounces back off. baouce can
>> happen without float, but float will always (AFAIK) cuase a bounce too.
>>
>> sleddog
>>
>
>Sleddog,
>
>Your wisdom is as Soloman's...
>
>Jeff
>
>
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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 11:02:56 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: Turn Signal Switch

At 11:56 AM 2/8/98 EST, you wrote:
> Did the 66 f100 switch have a spring to turn it off after you have made a
>turn. Mine does not and I dont know if it even has one.Thanks for any info.
>
>
> Thanks, Eddie

No it does not have a spring. Underneath your steering wheel is a piece of
plastic that is attached to the turn signal switch. on the underneath side
of the steering wheel is a small tooth. When you use your turn signal, the
plastic moves into a position that allows the tooth in the steering wheel
to catch this piece of plastic and turn the turn signal off. This piece of
plastic is broken, so the tooth can no longer reach the plastic piece and
turn the signals off. If you were to pull your steeling wheel off, you
could see this better than I can explain it. In order to get your turn
signals working again you would have to buy a replacement turn signal cam,
I think that is what it is called. Then you would have to pull the old cam
out, cut all of the wires off the old cam and attach the wires from the new
cam to the wiring harness. You can also buy a new cam with full length
wires that would allow you to unplug the turn signal from the wiring
harness. Pull all of these wires up through the steering column. Then you
would have to fish the new wires down the column and plug them into the
rest of the wiring harness. Not much fun, but I have done it before on my
66. I got a new cam from Ford, About $50 two years ago.

Hope this helps a little anyway.

later

Keith Srb herbie

pacbell.net wrote:
>
> I finally got the seals are replaced on my 70 F250, (windshield and doors) but I
> still get a puddle of water on the left and right floor boards at the front
> corner of both door openings. The water seems to be coming down the firewall on
> the left side near the high beam switch and down the kick panel near the
> firewall on the right side. most of the water enters when the truck is parked.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> I have done the following to eliminate the leaks:
>
> 1) Taped over the cowl vent
> 2) replaced the windshield seal
> 3) replaced the door seals
>
> The only places left are the rain gutter and hood / firewall.
>
> The hood hinges are weak so the hood sits high in the rear so there is a gap
> between the body and the hood. I have looked at the firewall and cant find any
> obvious holes or bad grommets.
>
> The leaking water was bad before but now that I have new door seals the water
> cant flow out the door, so every time it rains I get a water fall when I open
> the door! ( I am even thinking about drilling holes :-( )
>
> HELP!!! Fred Flintstone is knocking on my door!!!!!!
>
> Dana
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Dana,
I have the same problem with my 67 Ranchero. Somewhere around here I
have an article about rebuilding the cowl vents behind the hood. This
consists of taking the cowl apart,rebuiding vents and spotwelding. If I
find it I'll let you know.

Dean

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 11:12:07 -0800
From: DEAN LACY LINDA LACY
Subject: Re: where to put speakers in 66F100

BEANER12

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>
> I need some info on where some of you put speakers for a radio without having
> to drill holes in the cab? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks, Eddie
>
> Winter Haven, Fl
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Eddie,

This was several years ago but I mounted two speakers at the back of the
cab using formed brackets. I think there is two screws apiece for the
brackets.

Dean

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 14:18:52 EST
From: BEANER12

aol.com
Subject: Re: where to put speakers in 66F100

YES THE GAS TANK IS BEHIND THE SEAT.

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:19:34 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: rust free

>Admiral(retired),what are the chances of finding a rust free 1969 F-350
>out there,I'm from Ontario and the US buck is making one from the south
>expensive.Bruce Hart(still working my ass off)

I'm no Admiral but I am unemployed! :) I just bought a '76 F350 for
$1200 that's rust free. I live in Ontario too! Ontario California that
is. I found it in the truck trader, so I suggest that's a good place to
start looking. Deacon (still sitting on my ass)

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 12:57:14 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: where to put speakers in 66F100

At 02:18 PM 2/8/98 EST, you wrote:
>YES THE GAS TANK IS BEHIND THE SEAT.

I am going to build a center console, after I put bucket seats in my 66.
That is about the only way I could think of putting speakers in it with out
butchering the sheet metal.

Later.

Keith Srb herbie

netvalue.net
Mesa, AZ
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.netvalue.net/herbie/
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, Camper Special, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box,
Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 14:46:07 -0600
From: "GLHorne"
Subject: axle tag decode - help !!

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It's a disc brake axle which makes it from a '76 - '77 and I can tel its =
a 3.54 gear ratio - BUT - thats all !!

What are the rest of the codes ? How do I tell if its an open diff. or =
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- Geoff

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 15:21:55 -0600 (CST)
From: Jesus Cardoso
Subject: Re: where to put speakers in 66F100

I have been considering removing the metal door panel on my '63 and
replacing it with custom built speaker panels. I am not sure if your 66
has the panel that I am refering to, my 63 is a plane-jane truck without
the Custom Cab option. Has anyone else done this before? I have seen
another 63 with a 6x9 on each door mounted on custom built panels.

On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, Keith Srb wrote:

> At 02:18 PM 2/8/98 EST, you wrote:
> >YES THE GAS TANK IS BEHIND THE SEAT.
>
> I am going to build a center console, after I put bucket seats in my 66.
> That is about the only way I could think of putting speakers in it with out
> butchering the sheet metal.
>
> Later.
>
> Keith Srb herbie

netvalue.net
> Mesa, AZ
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.netvalue.net/herbie/
> 1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
> 1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
> 1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, Camper Special, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box,
> Style Side.
> 1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
> My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"
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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 17:16:23 -0500
From: Jeff
Subject: Re: "Floating a Valve"

You can eat the pages???

Keith Srb wrote:

> At 01:03 PM 2/8/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >end my speling is treriblely bad.
> >buy me books and send me to school and i still can't spell.
> >
>
> Kids, You buy'm books, and all they do is tear the cover off and eat the
> pages. :-)
>
> >sleddog
> >
> >----------
> >From: Jeff[SMTP:sifu

erols.com]
> >Sent: Saturday, February 07, 1998 11:14 PM
> >To: fordtrucks61-79

ListService.net
> >Subject: Re: "Floating a Valve"
> >
> >
> >
> >Sleddog wrote:
> >
> >> yes, you are both right. when the valve doesn't follow the load, and
> >> "floats", it returns to the seat suddenly and bounces back off. baouce can
> >> happen without float, but float will always (AFAIK) cuase a bounce too.
> >>
> >> sleddog
> >>
> >
> >Sleddog,
> >
> >Your wisdom is as Soloman's...
> >
> >Jeff
> >
> >
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> Keith Srb
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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 14:29:52 -0800
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: RE: "Floating a Valve"

At 01:28 PM 2/8/98 -0500, you wrote:
>as an engineer i know know that over
>the years understanding of mechanical motion still continues and new
>understanding always brings new explainations. some things never change,
>but new technology is amazing. only 20 yrs ago valvespring materials

Two interesting solutions:

Desmodromic operation (old technology but it sure seems to make the Ducati
hummmmmm....)

EVA http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.aurasystems.com/autoeva.htm looks really interesting.
Cummins ISB has something like this I think.

- --another engineer

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 15:36:29 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: "Floating a Valve"

At 05:16 PM 2/8/98 -0500, you wrote:
>You can eat the pages???

Haven't you every accidentally swallowed a spit wade ?????

>
>Keith Srb wrote:
>
>> At 01:03 PM 2/8/98 -0500, you wrote:
>> >end my speling is treriblely bad.
>> >buy me books and send me to school and i still can't spell.
>> >
>>
>> Kids, You buy'm books, and all they do is tear the cover off and eat the
>> pages. :-)
>>
>> >sleddog

Keith Srb herbie

netvalue.net
>Mesa, AZ
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.netvalue.net/herbie/
>1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
>1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
>1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, Camper Special, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box,
>Style Side.
>1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
>My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"
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Keith Srb herbie

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Subject: Re: where to put speakers in 66F100

I had speakers (6 1/2") mounted to the underside of my dash, just setting
flush with the bottom of it, they mounted some wood blocks then mounted the
speakers

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 17:34:35 CST
From: "Nathan B."
Subject: [none]

First of all, thanks to everyone for the info on the 70 camper special.
I am still talking price with the owner. I had a couple other stupid
questions though.
I have a 1970 F150 RangerXLT. The previous owner had used the truck
without the tail gate for many years. When I bought the truck I
immediately put the tail gate back on. Unfortunately, the box is
sprung a bit and the tailgate wont shut correctly. Using a rope and
tire iron I got it shut. It has been like that for six months now. I
was just curious if the box will ever go back or any other suggestions
anyone has.
I also had a question from my brother about his car. He was just
curious if anyone knew offhand what his car actually sold for new in
1973 from the dealer. It is a 1973 Ford Ranchero GT, 351C Motor, A/C,
P/S.
If anyone recalls I would like to know.
Thanks in advance for any help.

Nathan
1989 Ford Escort GT
1976 Ford F150 Ranger XLT 360 C6

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:58:33 EST
From: OldTrux

aol.com
Subject: Re: where to put speakers in 66F100

In a message dated 98-02-08 11:56:25 EST, you write:

> I need some info on where some of you put speakers for a radio without....

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