Re: 390 or 460

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In this issue:

Re: 390 or 460 [GEGK00A

prodigy.com ( DAN LEE)]
Compression Ratio ["Harry Jennings" ]
RE: Horror Story on my 351M [mcat

epix.net]
rust free [Bruce Hart ]
Re: "loops" ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Horror story on my 351M [GEGK00A

prodigy.com ( DAN LEE)]
Re: "Floating a Valve" [Shelektric

aol.com]
Re: 1972 ranger fuel system [Shelektric

aol.com]
Calling all Tranny gurus [Mike Schwall ]
RE: 390 or 460? [Sleddog ]
Re: 390/428 Water Jackets [George Herpich ]
Re: 390 or 460? [Firrer

aol.com]
Re: 390 or 460? [George Herpich ]
Re: F150 Stall [OldTrux

aol.com]
RE: Calling all Tranny gurus [mcat

epix.net]
Re: "loops" [danadeb

pacbell.net]
Re: Ranchero ["Admiral J.R.E. Mc Kenzie" ]
Re: F150 Stall [Tyler Wilkins ]
Re: F150 Stall [Gardner ]
Re: "Floating a Valve" [Jeff ]
Recommended Books [Ken Payne ]
RE: Calling all Tranny gurus [Mike Schwall ]
re: Recommended Books [ (SGT WILLIAM A WHITED)]
RE: "Floating a Valve" [Sleddog ]
RE: Recommended Books [Sleddog ]
Re: Recommended Books [danadeb

pacbell.net]
Re: "Floating a Valve" [Jeff ]
Re: rust free [marko ]
Re: 390 or 460? [marko ]

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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 14:45:00, -0500
From: GEGK00A

prodigy.com ( DAN LEE)
Subject: Re: 390 or 460

John,
I think it would be a lot less $ to build your 390 than swap in a 460.
If you used a RV cam and a 500 CFM Carter or Edelbrock with your
Edelbrock Performer Manifold it should be great for towing.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
351C-4V

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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 11:53:21 PST
From: "Harry Jennings"
Subject: Compression Ratio

> Yes, this is correct. Ford uses piston height to set compression
ratio,
> since almost all of the "garden variety" FE 360-390 heads have the
same
> combustion chamber volume. (68-72cc)
> The pistons in my 8:1 compression '73 truck motor are still 0.165"
from
> the top of the bore at TDC!
> More than enough clearance to accomodate the added stroke of a 428
crank
> with .065" leftover..
> Letsee... with a stock 4.05" bore that gives a volume of 13.72cc.
> Add a combustion chamber volume of 71cc, plus another 8cc for the head
> gasket gives 92.72cc total volume. That makes for 10:1 compression!
> Cool!
>
> Happy motoring,
>
> Steve
My software strikes again. It also has a compression calculator. If I
put in a bore of 4.050, a stroke of 3.984, flat top pistons, a deck
height of .010 (as big as it will go), and a "standard" head gasket
thickness of .033 here is what I get:

Head gasket volume of 6.97cc

CC volume of 92.70

and a final compression of 9.12.

Not quite 10.00 to 1, but still MUCH better than 8.00:1.

Harry.

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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 98 14:42:55 PST
From: mcat

epix.net
Subject: RE: Horror Story on my 351M

Greg,
Did you look at the heads at all when you had them off? The M
series was prone to cracking near the valve chamber. I`ve seen this happen
on them when you take the heads off to do a valve job. Seems that they
take a set when they clamp them at the factory and run the hot and cold
cycle over the years. When you unbolt them they may or may not crack. Also
did you notice if the motor was puffing white smoke while it was running?
this would indcate that water was getting in from a crack or a blown
gasket. Look at the rad cap while it is running to see if the fluid is
bubbling in side. This will indcate a crack or blown gasket also.
Garry
- --- On Fri, 6 Feb 1998 23:06:50 EST Bzysignl

aol.com wrote:

>Well I just finished up the 351 head gasket job. You may remember I had
the
>head gasket problem? Well, that's what I and all my buddies here in
diego
>seemed to think it was anyway.
>
>I fired it up, and looks like there's still H2o where no H2o should ever
go.
>The oil
>breather cap drips water when I remove it. Water. Like the water coming
from
>my eyes. The cooling system is pumping up like crazy too. Pressurizing.

>
>The real butt-burner is how nice the motor runs now. You may recall how
>my timing chain was so worn that it seemed like it could come off w/o
removing
>the sprockets? Couple that with the fact my intake valves were so jammed
up
>with toe jam that I'm surprised it could run, and you get the picture. It
revs
>and idles at least, like a real V8. Too bad I'm not going to be able to
drive
>it.
>
>Where is the water coming from? You may also remember that I never did
see any
>obvious sign of hd gasket problem once the heads were off?
>Do I have a cracked block, or is there ANYTHING, PLEASE, ANYTHING, it
might be
>that I wouldn't have to tear everything apart again.
>I'm looking at long blocks now. Thank the Lord I held off on buying the
460.
>At this point, I'll have to use the cash for the long block.
>
>Thanks to all and especially Tyler and Azie and you other guys who've
helped
>in this crazy project. I haven't given up yet, but I'm hanging by a
thread.
>This one is hard to swallow.
>Gregg
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Name: Garry
E-mail: mcat

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Date: 2/7/98 Time: 2:42:55 PM

427 Fe powered 56 F-100 Wild by design
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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 14:55:28 -0500
From: Bruce Hart
Subject: rust free

Admiral(retired),what are the chances of finding a rust free 1969 F-350
out there,I'm from Ontario and the US buck is making one from the south
expensive.Bruce Hart(still working my ass off)

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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 14:58:07 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: "loops"

> From: "Deacon"
> Subject: Re: "loops"
> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:47:53 -0800

> Do you think it has been air in the lines causing your problems?

That's my theory. I've had air in the MC and then would get it out
and I'd have pedal and then I'd change something and the mush is back
agian.

> Have you found any HD calipers? My F350 has the duel piston calipers
> on it and it stops really well. If you need any information on them,
> I'll take a look at mine. They may be a bolt on upgrade.
> How would you act with brakes anyway! :~)

If they use the same steering arms there may be hope but I understood
the steering arms are different so the bolt holes won't line up in
the caliper frame?? I know the drum brake version of the Dana 44
steering arm has a smaller bolt circle, much smaller actually.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:01:11, -0500
From: GEGK00A

prodigy.com ( DAN LEE)
Subject: Re: Horror story on my 351M

Where is the water coming from? You may also remember that I never
did see any
obvious sign of hd gasket problem once the heads were off?
Do I have a cracked block, or is there ANYTHING, PLEASE, ANYTHING, it
might be
that I wouldn't have to tear everything apart again.

Gregg,

Did you try a compression test? Relieve all the pressure on the
cooling system and look for low cylinders. If your engine has ever
overheated in the past you may have a warped or cracked head.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
351C-4V

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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 16:45:40 EST
From: Shelektric

aol.com
Subject: Re: "Floating a Valve"

floating valves are when your moter exceeds its high rpm the valve springs
dont close the valve before the piston comes up again cousing the motor to
skip really bad

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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 16:58:36 EST
From: Shelektric

aol.com
Subject: Re: 1972 ranger fuel system

i have a 69 f-100 with two feul tanks and my switch is where the half inch
hole is on yours it is a manual switch

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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 16:05:10 -0600
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: Calling all Tranny gurus

I need some help identifying a transmission. I Went to the junk yard today
to find an overdrive tranny for my '78 F150 (302 w/3 spd manual). Found a
'73 F100 with a 352 and a weird 4 speed behind it. The VIN code said it
was supposed to have a 360. So it's not the original motor - so there is a
chance it's not the original transmission either.

The 4 speed was not a toploader - well not exactly. The shifter was on the
top - on the left side. The shifter went into a box looking thing on the
side of the transmission. The reverse was in the upper left corner,
neutral, 1st and 2nd, neutral, 3rd and 4th. It's not like the old 3 speeds
with the linkage on the side - the shifter was on the top - left side. No
linkage was exposed.

R--| 1 3
---------
2 4

I hope this cheap diagram shows right.

I wrote down the info on the tag from the transmission:

RUG DB CA 13
EOTRAB 2499

Thanks in advance for any help.

Also, I don't know much about 352 motors, but does it have the same
bellhousing bolt pattern as the small blocks (302/351)?

Mike

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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 14:55:01 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: 390 or 460?

maybe if you unplug 2 spark plugs on the 460 ;)-
sleddog

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Sent: Saturday, February 07, 1998 1:00 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79

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Subject: Re: 390 or 460?

hmmmmm every one is forgeting about the good old 429 stock it ill out perform
the 460
hands down here goes the can of worms hehehe
mike

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> Hey George,
>
> I saw where you were talking about the water jacket thickness on the 390's
> while trying to bore them out 0.80 over. I keep hearing completely
> contradictory stories on whether you can get by with this or not. I'm hoping
> to do this with my 360 block (4.05 bore), but first I'll get the wall
> thickness measured, I guess with one of those ultrasonic thickness measuring
> devices. What do you recommend as a remaining minimum wall thickness after
> being bored out?
>
> Colorado Jeff

Jeff, I admit that was an exaggeration but why risk your engine for the
hundred bucks or so you would save using 428 pistons? .060 is skating on
thin ice, .080 is too wild for me to contemplate, and there would be no
chance of cleanup for future rebuild. .030 will give you about 416 or so
and a good solid bore.
Do you know of anyone who has done this? I never heard of it, but then
there's a lot I haven't heard of:-).
Another consideration,other that out and out failure, would be
overheating. Especially if you're using a hot cam. Those paper thin
walls will heat up the coolant real fast.
I don't know what to tell you for a minimum wall thickness. If I ever
knew, I've forgotten by now:-). Just find a good machine shop and take
their advice.
George

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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 17:56:17 EST
From: Firrer

aol.com
Subject: Re: 390 or 460?

HMMM WERE TALKING ABOUT A 68-69-70
STOCK MOTOR WITH THE DOVE HEADS
BUT IF I HAD TO BUILD ONE IT WOULD BE A
460 WITH DOVE A HEADS
MIKE

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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 18:16:29 -0500
From: George Herpich
Subject: Re: 390 or 460?

What can I say, you learn something new every day. This has been an
ongoing concern on the Galaxie list.
The only problem I forsee, is this a flat top? If so it probably
wouldn't have needed valve reliefs with that much deck clearance. Better
be real careful checking valve to piston clearance.
George
>
> Yes, this is correct. Ford uses piston height to set compression ratio,
> since almost all of the "garden variety" FE 360-390 heads have the same
> combustion chamber volume. (68-72cc)
> The pistons in my 8:1 compression '73 truck motor are still 0.165" from
> the top of the bore at TDC!
> More than enough clearance to accomodate the added stroke of a 428 crank
> with .065" leftover..
> Letsee... with a stock 4.05" bore that gives a volume of 13.72cc.
> Add a combustion chamber volume of 71cc, plus another 8cc for the head
> gasket gives 92.72cc total volume. That makes for 10:1 compression!
> Cool

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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 18:27:27 EST
From: OldTrux

aol.com
Subject: Re: F150 Stall

In a message dated 98-02-07 10:05:21 EST, you write:

> When ever you put it in reverse the truck stalls out
Had a similar problem once... the backup light switch wire was pinched by
the trans crossmember and would short out when it got power (only in reverse)!

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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 98 18:38:03 PST
From: mcat

epix.net
Subject: RE: Calling all Tranny gurus

Mike,
From your discription it sounds like you found a 3spd overdrive,
also known as tremac tranny. Does it have a plate on the top of the case?
They were never put behind an FE from the factory but were found on I6s
and smallV8s in the late 70s. It would also be alumium cased and look like
a toploader 4spd from a car but with a built in shifter like you discribe.
Garry
- --- On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 16:05:10 -0600 Mike Schwall
wrote:

>I need some help identifying a transmission. I Went to the junk yard
today
>to find an overdrive tranny for my '78 F150 (302 w/3 spd manual). Found
a
>'73 F100 with a 352 and a weird 4 speed behind it. The VIN code said it
>was supposed to have a 360. So it's not the original motor - so there is
a
>chance it's not the original transmission either.
>
>The 4 speed was not a toploader - well not exactly. The shifter was on
the
>top - on the left side. The shifter went into a box looking thing on the
>side of the transmission. The reverse was in the upper left corner,
>neutral, 1st and 2nd, neutral, 3rd and 4th. It's not like the old 3
speeds
>with the linkage on the side - the shifter was on the top - left side.
No
>linkage was exposed.
>
>
>R--| 1 3
> ---------
> 2 4
>
>I hope this cheap diagram shows right.
>
>I wrote down the info on the tag from the transmission:
>
>RUG DB CA 13
>EOTRAB 2499
>
>
>Thanks in advance for any help.
>
>Also, I don't know much about 352 motors, but does it have the same
>bellhousing bolt pattern as the small blocks (302/351)?
>
>
>Mike
>
>_____________________________________________
>
>Email: mikes

intx.net
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Date: 2/7/98 Time: 6:38:03 PM

427 Fe powered 56 F-100 Wild by design
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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 16:15:05 -0800
From: danadeb

pacbell.net
Subject: Re: "loops"

Deacon wrote:

> Azie, I am impressed. Quoting William Shakespeare's "Me thinks he
> protest too much". Well a part of it anyway.
> Gary hasn't had brakes in his Bronco and has done everything a
> person can do to fix them. But wherefore do not you a mightier way?
>

??????????

Dana

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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 16:20:38 -0800
From: "Admiral J.R.E. Mc Kenzie"
Subject: Re: Ranchero

Hey All!

Glad some ones out there into the " El Ranchero " as I am! Pleased
to see Ole' Henry's products being appreciated!

Still searching for tilt wheel canopy, and yes AND a sliding rear
window now... Suggestions?!!!!....

At 12:39 PM 2/7/98 -0600, you wrote:
>I am a Ranchero fan myself, but settled for an old truck as these are
>becoming harder and harder to get. My last one was a titled a 72 ,but
>had the '73 body on it. It had a modified 351C that roared. When I
>fired it up the neighbors came out to look. You could feel the real
>horsepower in it.
>
>Once I took my wife for a ride in it and decided to show her what it
>could do. Once we got out on the 4 lane from a light I floored it. She
>held on tight to the door handle and didn't say a thing. It easily
>buried the speedometer. Once we got where we were going and I shut it
>off she looked at me and said, " what is this?... a middle age
>thing...?" I never got her out in it again. She called it my jet
>airplane. Eventually, I tore the rearend out of it. But, the Salvation
>Army wanted it and I was moving 1400 miles away and didn't want to tow
>it and couldn't get it repaired in time. So, I gave it to them.
>
>I had a book on the Ranchero history with photos and the reason the
>production numbers were so low was that they were "hand-built" and
>mostly built last after the main stable of the Ford line was already
>out. Robot factories actually killed it. However, the book did mention
>that there are many Rancheros running around out there that have Cougar
>interiors, Mercury, interiors, etc. because the guys building the
>Rancero line used the left over interior parts from the other lines.
>So, you could pull your stering equipment out of any compatible Ford car
>and nobody will tell you its wrong.
>
>Oh! And one other thing towards the end of the line it was discovered
>that the Lincoln Mark 5 (73 or 74?) doghouse was a bolt on to the same
>year Ranchero frame. Makes an interesting looking Ranchero.
>
>-=DENNIS=-
>
>ol' puddle pirate rebuilding a '65 F-100 a mild custom.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 13:56:04 -0800
>> From: "Admiral J.R.E. Mc Kenzie"
>> Subject: Parts Location Request " Tilt Steering Wheel Required "
>>
>> Hello everyone ( all of you Ford Guys too.... ):
>>
>> It's me again " Lest B Pestor " ( but I'm the real Mc Coy though
)?!!!
>>
>> I'm searching for a tilt wheel assembly for the " El Ranchero " my
>> 1975 Ranchero. I'm open as to color or perhaps the feature of cruise control
>> as my present cars wheel has that option ( cruise that is ), anyone know or
>> have one to vend to me? Yet another sorce perhaps is the Gran Torino would
>> also be suitable. Item two a shell or canopy is my next item, color is un
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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 18:17:12 -0600
From: Tyler Wilkins
Subject: Re: F150 Stall

OldTrux

aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-02-07 10:05:21 EST, you write:
>
> > When ever you put it in reverse the truck stalls out

> Had a similar problem once... the backup light switch wire was pinched by
> the trans crossmember and would short out when it got power (only in reverse)!

Vacuum leak (auto tranny only)?

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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 19:25:36 -0500
From: Gardner
Subject: Re: F150 Stall

Jason DiSalvo wrote:
>
> I have a 1994 F150. It has a 302, automatic. 4X4. I am having this problem.
> When ever you put it in reverse the truck stalls out. A local ford
> dealership had it for 10hrs and saw the problem but cant find anything
> wrong. They replaced: all plugs and wires, massa air-flow sensor, neutral
> switch, trannie hoses and fluid. Nothing it still did it. Any one here of
> this prob? Please let me know
>
> -Jason DiSAlvo
> disalvo

tco.com
>
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I saw a TSB for this at http//www.nhtsa.dot.gov

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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 19:21:12 -0500
From: Jeff
Subject: Re: "Floating a Valve"

George Herpich wrote:

>
>
> Actually the valve closes but the spring lets it bounce off the seat.
>

George,

The bounce effect you refer to is correct in most cases. However, many
motors are capable of the folat I describe as well. Most of my history
deals with Mopars and motorcycles. In both cases (depending on the
motor), you could truly suspend the valve off the seat for short periods
of time. Given the fact that the valves remain open in this state, power
drops to almost nil as well bad mojo mechanically.

Jeff

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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 20:37:30 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Recommended Books

List member Sleddog made a suggestion to
that we put up a list of recommended books on the web site.
I think this is a fantastic idea.

I'm going to start out with:
How To Rebuild Big-Block Ford Engines, by Steve Christ
Ford Trucks Since 1905, by James K. Wagner

If anyone has any recommendations email them to me
(kpayne

mindspring.com) with a one paragraph description.
Books do not have to be technical (Ford Trucks Since 1905
is a historical book).

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 19:40:56 -0600
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: RE: Calling all Tranny gurus

At 06:38 PM 2/7/98 -0800, you wrote:
> Mike,
> From your discription it sounds like you found a 3spd overdrive,
>also known as tremac tranny. Does it have a plate on the top of the case?
>They were never put behind an FE from the factory but were found on I6s
>and smallV8s in the late 70s. It would also be alumium cased and look like
>a toploader 4spd from a car but with a built in shifter like you discribe.
> Garry

It has a plate on top - bolts all around. This made my day. This is
exactly the transmission I've been looking for. It also had an aluminum
case.

Does anyone know if this tranny will bolt up to a 302 bellhousing? And
would anyone know the gear ratios?

Thanks a bunch Garry,

Mike

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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 98 21:24:26 EST
From: (SGT WILLIAM A WHITED)
Subject: re: Recommended Books

It sounds like a great idea, I need all the help I can get. Tony

73 Ranger Extended Cab 390
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From Ken Payne , on 2/7/98 8:37 PM:
To: , ,
, ,

List member Sleddog made a suggestion to
that we put up a list of recommended books on the web site.
I think this is a fantastic idea.

I'm going to start out with:
How To Rebuild Big-Block Ford Engines, by Steve Christ
Ford Trucks Since 1905, by James K. Wagner

If anyone has any recommendations email them to me
(kpayne

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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 22:13:22 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: "Floating a Valve"

yes, you are both right. when the valve doesn't follow the load, and
"floats", it returns to the seat suddenly and bounces back off. baouce can
happen without float, but float will always (AFAIK) cuase a bounce too.

sleddog

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From: Jeff[SMTP:sifu

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Sent: Saturday, February 07, 1998 7:21 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79

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Subject: Re: "Floating a Valve"

George Herpich wrote:

>
>
> Actually the valve closes but the spring lets it bounce off the seat.
>

George,

The bounce effect you refer to is correct in most cases. However, many
motors are capable of the folat I describe as well. Most of my history
deals with Mopars and motorcycles. In both cases (depending on the
motor), you could truly suspend the valve off the seat for short periods
of time. Given the fact that the valves remain open in this state, power
drops to almost nil as well bad mojo mechanically.

Jeff

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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 22:50:35 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Recommended Books

FORD F-SERIES OWNERS BIBLE - moses ludel
covers F1,2,3,F-150,250,350 history, tuning, service, accesories, etc.
very comprehensive in the including alot of information but doesn't delve
very deeply into any one area. B&W photos. 362 pages.
ISBN 0-8376-0152-5

AUTO MATH HANDBOOK - john lawlor
full of simple equations in an easy to follow style with short
explanations. equaions include compression, HP & torque, piston speed,
vulometric efficiency, weight destribution, center of gravity, tire size
calculations, shift points, and more.
ISBN 1-55788-020-4

HOE TO REBUILD YOUR FORD V-8 351-C, 351-M, 400, 429, 460 -- tom monroe
covers the engines in the title for basic disassemply, inspection and
rebuilding. good source for parts interchange and indentification.
ISBN 0-89586-036-8

i also have more technical books that have higher math and theory if anyone
is interested. also i had another good book that i lent out that covered
all the modern ford engines by i think it was pat gahnal. hopefully
someone else has the title and author.

sleddog
thank you.
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Subject: Recommended Books

List member Sleddog made a suggestion to
that we put up a list of recommended books on the web site.
I think this is a fantastic idea.

I'm going to start out with:
How To Rebuild Big-Block Ford Engines, by Steve Christ
Ford Trucks Since 1905, by James K. Wagner

If anyone has any recommendations email them to me
(kpayne

pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Recommended Books

Ken Payne wrote:
>
> List member Sleddog made a suggestion to
> that we put up a list of recommended books on the web site.
> I think this is a fantastic idea.
>
> I'm going to start out with:
> How To Rebuild Big-Block Ford Engines, by Steve Christ
> Ford Trucks Since 1905, by James K. Wagner
>

Just a note about this book:

If it is the same one I bought once, it does not cover 460s.

Dana

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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 23:14:01 -0500
From: Jeff
Subject: Re: "Floating a Valve"

Sleddog wrote:

> yes, you are both right. when the valve doesn't follow the load, and
> "floats", it returns to the seat suddenly and bounces back off. baouce can
> happen without float, but float will always (AFAIK) cuase a bounce too.
>
> sleddog
>

Sleddog,

Your wisdom is as Soloman's...

Jeff

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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 21:19:43 -0800
From: marko
Subject: Re: rust free

At 02:55 PM 2/7/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Admiral(retired),what are the chances of finding a rust free 1969 F-350
>out there,I'm from Ontario and the US buck is making one from the south
>expensive.Bruce Hart(still working my ass off)
>

Bruce, I found one but it took me a while to find the right one. 67 mercury
m100 rust free!!!!!!

Look at www.buysell.com (vancouver buy and sell newspaper) or
www.bargain-find.com (Edmonton and Calgary).

Good luck.

marko in vancouver
marko

helix.net

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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 21:21:35 -0800....

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