fordtrucks61-79-digest Thursday, February 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 073



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In this issue:

RE: 4bbl heads for a 351C [Sleddog ]
Re: 66 67 Ford 7 liters [JRFiero aol.com]
Re: '71 F100 [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Re: 390/428 flywheel questions [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
re: greasable throw bearing [marko ]
Re: greasable throw bearing [marko ]
Re: 7 Liters ["Robert Mitchem" ]
site to see [shoman p3.net]
Vent windows. ["s" ]
Re: Liters ["Robert Mitchem" ]
Re: Vent windows. [marko ]
Re: Dead at 55mph ["Dennis K. Austin" ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #70 ["Dennis K. Austin"
Re:428 flywheel deal [sdelanty ]
Re:4V heads ["Harry Jennings" ]
Re: '62 Tailgate, unibody? [A64F100 aol.com]
Re: '62 Tailgate, unibody? [A64F100 aol.com]
Re: 4bbl heads for a 351C [A64F100 aol.com]
rebuilt distributor [marko ]
Re: 390/428 flywheel questions [marko ]
Re: Spooler ["Dennis K. Austin" ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #70 [marko ]
Re: Vent windows. [GMPACHECO aol.com]
sounds like trouble [ECampb5214 aol.com]
Re: greasable throw bearing/tranny/transfer question ["J. Oxley"
Re: Motor Mounts ["Jeff and Sheri Thomas" ]
Re: f428 flywheel [BDIJXS aol.com]
Re: f428 flywheel [marko ]

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 19:24:56 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: 4bbl heads for a 351C

i guy down the street from me had some a about 6 monthes ago, don't know if
he still does. eastern PA, i think it was over $600 for the closed chamber
heads reconditioned. interested? i'll look for the phone number for his
machine shop.

sleddog

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From: RCCRAZZZY aol.com[SMTP:RCCRAZZZY aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 1998 4:43 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: 4bbl heads for a 351C

Hi-
Does anyone know where I can get a set of 4bbl heads for my 351C. I dont
care
wether they are bare or complete. Any imput would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
Michael
RCCRAZZY AOL.COM






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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 19:34:03 EST
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: 66 67 Ford 7 liters

In a message dated 98-02-04 11:00:24 EST, you write:


which came out in 68 as I recall?? 406 was earlier and 410....??
>>
As I figure it, 7 liters is 'roughly' 427.1636 cubic inches. 61.02
inches/liter.
5.0 is 305.1, so Ch*vy has it about right - Ford's a little optomistic with
the 302.
5.2 is 317.3 - isn't that what Chr*sler calls a 318?
Let me see, a Ford Flathead is .... 3.9 liters. 'Course a Merc flathead would
be 4.2.
Marco, what's your 410 up there in liter land?

I think the original Mercury Cougar XR7s were so-called because they had 427s
- -7 liters.

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 17:01:12 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: '71 F100

>I'm looking at a '71 F100 XLT shortbed. I saw it once at night. Only
>rust I could see was a small spot low on the right door and some along
>the top of the side molding on the right side of bed that dosn't go
>through.
>Are there any rust-prone areas I should look for when I get a chance to
>see it in daylight? I'm new to the list but saw mention of front cab
>mount area.
>I hope it's as good as it looked that night because it's one of my
>favorite body styles.
>


Several two-word items:

CAB MOUNTS
RAD SUPPORT (esp down along the valence in the front)
INNER FENDERS
FLOOR PAN
BED SEAM
TAIL GATE
CAB CORNERS


marko in vancouver
marko helix.net

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 17:05:24 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: 390/428 flywheel questions

>> Jeff:
>>
>> The 352,360,390, 406, 410, 427 and 428 flywheels are ALL THE SAME with the
>> exception of 361 and 391FT engine flywheels which are thicker.
>
>Wrong! All FE's are zero balanced EXCEPT 428-410. They are externally
>(Detroit) balanced.
>
>George


RIGHT! The flywheels themselves are IDENTICAL! So you can use one from any
of the engines, as long as you are doing like Jeff and taking them in to get
balanced.

As I am doing with my 352 flywheel which I am putting on my 410, and having
Detroit balanced.


marko in vancouver
marko helix.net

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 19:05:34 -0800
From: marko
Subject: re: greasable throw bearing

>
> OX
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Hey , OX

The greasable throw bearing, which shud work on your NP 435 (I forget if you
have a 390 or not) is a CR Services N1439.


marko in vancouver
marko helix.net

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 19:10:30 -0800
From: marko
Subject: Re: greasable throw bearing

At 04:11 PM 2/5/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Post the Part # alrady!
>
>Thanks
>--
>Don Grossman
>duckdon pacific.net
>
>
>63 Ford F-100 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
>steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!


Hey Don, I thought I did but maybe it did't go thru. Here it is again:

CR Services Bearing no N1439.


marko

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 20:21:25 -0600
From: "Robert Mitchem"
Subject: Re: 7 Liters

Ford did sometimes refer to their 427 engines as 7-Litres. But the actual
66 Galaxie 7-Litre to promote the new 428 hydraulic lifter FE ( a bored and
stroked 390). Not many were sold as they were much more expensive than a
comparably equipped Galaxie 500 XL.
- -----Original Message-----
From: am14 chrysler.com
To: Fordtrucks61-79 listservice.net
Date: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 11:34 AM
Subject: 7 Liters


>Dennis writes:>>Refresh my memory on this one, and I want to say the
>66-67, Ford sedans that were designated as 7 Liter models. Do you
>remember anything on this. I remember it had to do with something
>about the motor, but you can tell all of us about that.
>
>With my memory, I'm surprised anyone asking me to "Refresh" their
>memory, but here goes anyway.
>
>7 liter was used in '66/'67 to designate the 428cid offering in a
>personalized luxry version of the 2dr hardtop Galaxie. Robert Mitchum
>(Gosh that name sounds awfully familiar) says it was also a designator
>for some 427 offerings, as well as some convertibles. I don't doubt
>it, but was not aware of the 427 ever being referred to by FOMOCO as 7
>liter, nor of the convertible offering. It was a very swift car for
>its 5000# weight. Had all the luxury features offered in its day. I
>would consider ir a "Collectable", and would love to own one.
>
>Azie
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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 21:32:11 -0500
From: shoman p3.net
Subject: site to see

Ford has a great 50th anniversary Site..Not sure if it was mentioned
here or not but check it out if it wasnt
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fordvehicles.com/fseries/50th_anniversary/indexjavascript.html

html is the last...
joe

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 21:30:33 -0500
From: "s"
Subject: Vent windows.

Can anyone tell me how to fix vent window leak's?
I have a 79 250 supercab. With about a half a note pad of paper holding the
vent lock's shut on both the pass and driver side! And it's not getting
any better...
How can I fix this without replacing the whole window? Also how can I
prevent this from happening again..
Thank's to the group.....

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 20:33:20 -0600
From: "Robert Mitchem"
Subject: Re: Liters

I have a candy apple red 66 Ford Galaxie 7-Litre. It has 7-Litre emblems on
the front fenders, the trunk drivers side of the grill and inside on the
glove box door. These Fords also came with pin stripes on the side and
special wheel covers. The only engines available were the new 428 hydraulic
lifter and the dual quad 427 solid lifter motor. The 428's came standard
with power disk brakes and c6 automatic and you could get a four speed at no
additional cost.
My car is a 428 c6 that is candy apple red with a black bucket seat
interior. If you would like to see a picture send me your personal E-mail
address and I'll send you a picture of mine.
- -----Original Message-----
From: am14 chrysler.com
To: Fordtrucks61-79 listservice.net
Date: Thursday, February 05, 1998 8:55 AM
Subject: Liters


>Yo Gary: The conversion factor Liters to Cu In is 61.02 Cu In per
>liter, therefore 61.02 X 7 = 427.14.
>
>I still do not remember FOMOCO referencing the 427 or the 429 as 7
>liters. They did refer to the 428 as 7liter and it was offered in the
>'66 & '67 galaxie XL whatever wirh special trim and the 7 liter
>designation was on the front fenders and I believe in one corner of the
>grill. Anyone out there got one????????/ Go look and tell us. The
>428CJ was not offered till mid year '68 in Mustangs and Torinos.
>
>Azie
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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 19:32:22 -0800
From: marko
Subject: Re: Vent windows.

At 09:30 PM 2/5/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Can anyone tell me how to fix vent window leak's?
>I have a 79 250 supercab. With about a half a note pad of paper holding the
>vent lock's shut on both the pass and driver side! And it's not getting
>any better...
>How can I fix this without replacing the whole window? Also how can I
>prevent this from happening again..
> Thank's to the group.....
>
Are the vent window rubbers in good shape? I guess maybe the closers aren't.

So, you have to remove the vent window assembly and repair it.

If you feel like taking your door innards apart and take the vent window
assy out, I can email you easy directions (did it myself last weekend).
write me back


marko in vancouver
marko helix.net

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 20:40:59 -0600
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: Re: Dead at 55mph

Well Dana,
My uncle bought this new Lincoln back around 1975. Everytime he got it
up to 55mph it just died and drifted off to the side of the road. After
it sat there for about 15-20 minutes he could start it up and drive off,
but at 55mph it would do it again.
Of course he kept taking back to the Ford Dealer, who was replacing
everything they could think of. They went so far as to replace the
motor and that didn't help either. Just about when they were going to
give him another new car more of these problem cars started coming in.
The Ford mechanics could had no problem replicating the crisis.
It got down to calling in the Regional Ford rep. As luck would have it
while they were showing him the problem cars, all the same model, one of
the old retired Ford mechanics came in to chat. Once he was told of the
problem he asked them to raise my uncle's Lincoln up so they could get
under it. He requested a mechanic stay in the car and rev it up to high
rpms simulating highway speeds. Sure enough at high rpms the engine
stalled and wouldn't start again.
Then this old guy walked back to the tank and pointed out the problem.
It seems Ford had used an inferior rubber gas line that went from the
gas tank to the steel fuel line. With fuel flowing through it at high
rpms the flow reduced the internal pressure of the short rubber hose
causing it to collaspe. It remained that way until pressure equalized
itself.
Yet, it took an old experienced retired mechanic to figure it out. And
to think that a short piece of hose costing all of 6 cents was taking
down one of Lincoln's most expensive cars.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 01:02:47 -0800
> From: danadeb pacbell.net
> Subject: Re: Unusual carb fix...
>
> Dennis K. Austin wrote:
>
> > Remind me to tell you about my uncle's new Lincoln that died everytime
> > it reached 55mph. The cause will surprise you and it could happen to
> > any Ford with the same parts.
> >
> > -=DENNIS=-
>
> Do tell!
>
> Dana
>
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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 20:49:15 -0600
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #70

Thanks Marko, but I guess I am not getting my idea across. Remember the
trucks with the big black bent shifter sticking up out of the floor
boards for the 4 speed standard transmissons. There has to be a plate
there with a hole for the shifter to stick up out of the floor. I want
a factory plate. I have found a factory plate with no hole in it. I am
not sure exactly where the hole goes. Besides the factory plate with
the hole would be a better and smoother hole than the one I will end up
cutting into a plate without the hole. Somewhere out there is a plate
for a top loader. As I said I have found only one in a '66, but
honestly somebody cut it up. I might be able to use it for a pattern,
but would rather just have a factory made one.

- -=DENNIS=-
>
> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 22:35:23 -0800
> From: marko
> Subject: Re: Transmission floor plate...
>
> At 10:31 PM 2/4/98 -0600, you wrote:
> >Hey guys... Nobody had a floor plate to cover up the hole where the top
> >loader sticks up through the floor? The only one I have found in the
> >junk yards looks like somebody used a can opener on it. If I have to, I
> >guess I could use it for a pattern to make one, but I would rather not
> >spend the time on that.
> >
> >Can any of you help me out?
> >
> >-=DENNIS=-
>
> Dennis, I don't know where you are. But up here in BC there are a number of
> old Ford pickups with automatics, and they all had the solid cover plate.
> Is this what you're after? There should be lots around.
>
> marko in vancouver
> marko helix.net
>
> ------------------------------
>

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 18:51:23 -0800
From: sdelanty
Subject: Re:428 flywheel deal


>Next topic will be cylinder heads, so get ready! I've already looked at the
>Edelbrock aluminum units, but they make you end up designing a motor with
>power at the higher revs....I'm more interested in low-end grunt and
>torque....Sounds like small chambers and valves? Any suggestions? I have set
>of 360 heads here, but everyone I've talked to said they didn't like them for
>some reason, without giving me a specific reason.....
>
>Thanks!
>Colorado Jeff

So what's the problem with 360 heads?
I've never been aware there was any difference between a 360 and
a 390 head. They are usually the same casting #'s as 390 heads...

Can someone enlighten me?


Steve

"The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment
by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."
-- Justice Louis D. Brandeis

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 18:58:38 PST
From: "Harry Jennings"
Subject: Re:4V heads

>Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:43:28 EST
>From: RCCRAZZZY aol.com
>Subject: 4bbl heads for a 351C
>
>Hi-
>Does anyone know where I can get a set of 4bbl heads for my 351C. I
dont care
>wether they are bare or complete. Any imput would be appreciated.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>Michael
>RCCRAZZY AOL.COM

Why do you want 4V heads? I will assume that this is going into a street
driven truck, right? 2V heads are ALWAYS better than 4V heads for
anything other than an all out race engine. Unless you are planning a
high RPM WOT engine then you should go with a set of 2V heads.

Harry. hjennings hotmail.com

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:03:03 EST
From: A64F100 aol.com
Subject: Re: '62 Tailgate, unibody?

In a message dated 98-02-05 09:41:35 EST, you write:


means with cars that have no frame but I've never heard of a truck
like that? Is this the chopped off van of the early 60's with pickup
bed instead of van body?? >>

The unibodies are kinda neat actually... (I believe they ran from like 61-63)
I know they stopped in 63. They're a pickup just like any other, but the
bed is part of the cab. Well, it's all one piece anyway... They're actually
pretty cool trucks, they're gettin more popular from what I understand.

later,
Scott L

*Keep It Ford Blue*

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:07:21 EST
From: A64F100 aol.com
Subject: Re: '62 Tailgate, unibody?

In a message dated 98-02-05 10:15:18 EST, you write:


Ok, since I've tapped a well spring of knowledge here, what do they
call the van/pickup dohickys and what years were they made? >>

well, I'm not quite sure, but I know there's econoline pickups, and
greenbriars. They're both kinda the same from what I understand...

Later,
Scott L

*Keep It Ford Blue*

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:18:49 EST
From: A64F100 aol.com
Subject: Re: 4bbl heads for a 351C

In a message dated 98-02-05 16:59:08 EST, you write:


Does anyone know where I can get a set of 4bbl heads for my 351C. I dont
care
wether they are bare or complete. Any imput would be appreciated.
>>

I'm not really sure what you'ree gonna use the 4v heads for, but I've read
some articles that say the 4v heads, although having bigger ports and valves,
cause a good amount of torque and low RPM power loss.. You might be better
off gettin an aftermarket 4v intake... just a thought

Later,
Scott L

*Keep It Ford Blue*

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 19:16:27 -0800
From: marko
Subject: rebuilt distributor

Hey everyone,

I also picked up a rebuilt distributor today, for $69.95 Canadian (about 2
quarts of milk for you statesiders). It's an electronic ignition
distributor for a 360-390 (for my 410). It's built by AutoLine and it's a
D4008.

I have a question, it seems to be made of gray iron, not of cast aluminum
like some others. Does this really make any difference?

It says "motorcraft" on it so I would think it's probly just a later casting.

marko in vancouver
marko helix.net

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 19:01:38 -0800
From: marko
Subject: Re: 390/428 flywheel questions

At 05:05 PM 2/5/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>> Jeff:
>>>
>>> The 352,360,390, 406, 410, 427 and 428 flywheels are ALL THE SAME with the
>>> exception of 361 and 391FT engine flywheels which are thicker.
>>
>>Wrong! All FE's are zero balanced EXCEPT 428-410. They are externally
>>(Detroit) balanced.
>>
>>George
>
>
>RIGHT! The flywheels themselves are IDENTICAL! So you can use one from any
>of the engines, as long as you are doing like Jeff and taking them in to get
>balanced.
>
>As I am doing with my 352 flywheel which I am putting on my 410, and having
>Detroit balanced.
>
>
>marko in vancouver
>marko helix.net

Okay, okay, I'll calm down. The 410 and 428 flywheels should be, when
bought from the parts counter, the same cause they have nothing to be
detroit balanced to until they are put on an engine then balanced.

So theoretically if I, say, needed to replace the flywheel on my 428 one
day, I'd go to ford, buy a zero balanced unit, then the machine shop would
counterweight it the same as the one which I was replacing it.

That's all I meant, sorry for the confusion. But if you got one 428
flywheel that was already detroit balanced, I would think you'd have to
re-balance it to your own 428 cause I don't think they were all detroit
balanced exactly the same.

marko in vancouver
marko helix.net

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 21:29:20 -0600
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: Re: Spooler

I found such a setup on a '79 in a "U-Pull It" yard. I am thinking of
pulling it and seeing if I can fit it to my '65 F-100. This thing also
has air horns & compressor, after market A/C under the dash, and some
other neat stuff.

You should be able to find this stuff in a similar yard in your area.

- -=DENNIS=-
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 11:07:39 -0600
> From: John Strauss
> Subject: 1972 ranger xlt...help
>
> >Have a couple questions I hope you can help with!
> >I need to know where the fuel tank selector spool is on a 72 ranger xlt
> >with dual tanks. My gauge reflects the level in both tanks okay but the
> >spool definately isn't switching. If anyone knows the part number to this
> >unit I would also be much appreciative.
>
> What do you mean by "spool"? I think on those trucks you had a switch to
> change the gauge and a lever to actually change tanks. It should be on the
> floor just above the driver's side sill plate but I am not sure about that.

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 20:36:35 -0800
From: marko
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #70

At 08:49 PM 2/5/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Thanks Marko,

Oops, I didn't understand. Even if I do find one, where are you located?

I know exactly what you mean now cause I have one in my truck (fraid I need
it though).

Apparently they're all the same thru to at least 76 so you might wanna check
that way.


marko

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:20:45 EST
From: GMPACHECO aol.com
Subject: Re: Vent windows.

I would be interested in reading how to take it apart, is there a place to buy
the closers, it seems the plastic piece attached to the closer or latch is
worn out, its about 1/2" in length with a slope from wear

Thanks
Mike in Seattle

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:24:35 EST
From: ECampb5214 aol.com
Subject: sounds like trouble

Hi All
Under the hood in the morning, I hear like a pinging, i doubt its pre
igntion, cause i advanced it the other day. could it be the push rods? If so
what would it sound like? Its got 140.000 mi. I hear it under the ac unit.

Thanks all
Ethan
76 F-250 Ranger XLT

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 23:30:54 -0500
From: "J. Oxley"
Subject: Re: greasable throw bearing/tranny/transfer question

marko wrote:

>
> Hey , OX
>
> The greasable throw bearing, which shud work on your NP 435 (I forget if you
> have a 390 or not) is a CR Services N1439.

I have 351M, 2bbl, stock in my 78 Bronc. Still the same number.

Speakin of this. Does the NP435/NP205 have different input/main/output
shafts between 1/2 ton and 3/4 or 1 ton??

OX
>
> marko in vancouver
> marko helix.net
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:32:40 -0500
From: "Jeff and Sheri Thomas"
Subject: Re: Motor Mounts

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the longer engine. I just put a 351W in my ' 67 F100 and had to change =
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will need to find a donor truck from 69 to 79 2wd that had a 302.I =
researched all of this with help from Ford dealer and all 69-79's used =
the same perch. The perchs are held in by four bolts each perch. I had =
to drill a extra hole on my frame for each side because the 302 was not =
a option yet in 67. Your 69 may already have the extra hole.Anyways if =
you find perchs your engine should be a direct bolt in.
Hope this helps.

sthomas wcoil.com
JT Racin'
Jeff's ' 67 is Heaven!!

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:42:58 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: Re: f428 flywheel

Hey Marko,

I was a little shocked at the price also, but here's the real deal (I do own
the book you mentioned, and this is where I learned about the special 428
flywheel, check it out). It appears that these particular flywheels are rare
because 1) they are not zero-balanced, they have a counterweight molded into
them, 2) the 428's had different cranks (at least a few people have told me
this), meaning there is a difference between the standard 428 cranks (like
mine) and the CJ's and SCJ's, meaning that the counterbalance in the flywheels
might be different (this is what I'm assuming because a guy had one for a 428
SCJ and he said it wouldn't work on the standard 428), 3) since probably most
of the cars that the 428's were put in used automatics, the manual
transmission flywheel (which is what I need) was relatively rare, and 4) they
are still not in production (like the 390 flywheels still are)....no need to
go further, I think. You said you were working on a 410....you may have the
same kind of deal if George is correct (thanks for going to bat for me
George!).

The reason I said the 360 and 390 flywheels were different is that I held the
wheel from my 69 F-100 4x4 (360) up to a new 390 wheel, and, low and behold,
they were different. In fact, the 390 clutch wouldn't bolt to the 360 flywheel
since the 390 clutch was larger in diameter (and significantly
heavier).....Now, they both might not have been from the same year, but they
WERE different.....

You're right about balancing the entire lower end as a unit....The reason the
balancing was so expensive with the 390 wheel on the 428 crank is that the guy
was going to have to add counterweights....how he was going to do this, I
don't know, but I assumed it involved welding or drilling holes and bolting. I
figured this process might run the risk of doing something funny to the
flywheel, so therefore, to avoid a hole in my cab floor, I figured the real
428 was the way to go....

I think I've done my homework Marko, just trying to keep you honest.......

Colorado Jeff

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 22:14:46 -0800
From: marko
Subject: Re: f428 flywheel

At 11:42 PM 2/5/98 EST, you wrote:
>Hey Marko,
>
>I was a little shocked at the price also, but here's the real deal (I do own
>the book you mentioned, and this is where I learned about the special 428
>flywheel, check it out). It appears that these particular flywheels are rare
>because 1) they are not zero-balanced, they have a counterweight molded into
>them, 2) the 428's had different cranks (at least a few people have told me
>this), meaning there is a difference between the standard 428 cranks (like
>mine) and the CJ's and SCJ's, meaning that the counterbalance in the flywheels
>might be different (this is what I'm assuming because a guy had one for a 428
>SCJ and he said it wouldn't work on the standard 428), 3) since probably most
>of the cars that the 428's were put in used automatics, the manual
>transmission flywheel (which is what I need) was relatively rare, and 4) they
>are still not in production (like the 390 flywheels still are)....no need to
>go further, I think. You said you were working on a 410....you may have the
>same kind of deal if George is correct (thanks for going to bat for me
>George!).
>
>The reason I said the 360 and 390 flywheels were different is that I held the
>wheel from my 69 F-100 4x4 (360) up to a new 390 wheel, and, low and behold,
>they were different. In fact, the 390 clutch wouldn't bolt to the 360 flywheel
>since the 390 clutch was larger in diameter (and significantly
>heavier).....Now, they both might not have been from the same year, but they
>WERE different.....
>
>You're right about balancing the entire lower end as a unit....The reason the
>balancing was so expensive with the 390 wheel on the 428 crank is that the guy....

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