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Return-Path: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 03:50:26 -0700 (MST) From: owner-fordtrucks61-79-digest To: fordtrucks61-79-digest Subject: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #67 Reply-To: fordtrucks61-79 Sender: owner-fordtrucks61-79-digest fordtrucks61-79-digest Wednesday, February 4 1998 Volume 02 : Number 067 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks Digest Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: fordtrucks61-79-digest-request with the word "unsubscribe" in the body of the message. For help, send email to the same address with the word "help" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: motor size [FORD-TRUCK-70 [none] [Jesus Cardoso ] Re: Carb Size ["Bill Beyer" ] Door Panels [BFoster02 Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #66 ["Harry Jennings" CFM=VE ["Harry Jennings" ] Re:Headers [BDIJXS Re: Steering Wheel Replacement [BDIJXS Re: Door Panels ["Michael Connor" ] Re: 428 flywheel [BDIJXS Brake light switch [am14 RE: Carb Size [Sleddog ] Re: Steering wheels cracking [GMPACHECO Re: Door Panels ["Deacon" ] Re: Carb Size [Steve & Rockette ] Re: Steering wheels cracking [danadeb Re: Torque Wrenching bolts... ["Dennis K. Austin" Re: 66 67 Ford 7 liters ["Dennis K. Austin" ] Re: Steering wheels cracking [Impala502 Re: 66 67 Ford 7 liters ["Robert Mitchem" ] MAJOR HESITATION = MAJOR PAIN [Sean Christian Hess ] A possible new truck and other replies ["Dave Walbeck" Re: Disc brake guide updated to cover 65-66 ["Dennis K. Austin" Need some advice ["Nathan B." ] Re: carb size [GEGK00A Re: Need some advice [GMPACHECO Re:390 "O" ring & A possible new truck and other replies [danadeb Re: ITS ALIVE !!!!! [Shelektric Re: Oil Feed tubes 292 heads [robineil ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:09:36 -0500 From: FORD-TRUCK-70 Subject: motor size how can i tell what size a motor is 1 person said it is a 390 another said its a 352 its in a 60 fairlane how can i see the difference in the motor size i want to put a 390 in my truck 1970 F100 swb the motor in the car is not the motor that came in the car thanks for any help love my truck randy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:50:18 -0600 (CST) From: Jesus Cardoso Subject: [none] Howdy! I am hoping someone can help me. For all those that are new or don't remember me, I have a 63 F100 LWB Flareside with a 292 Y-Block and a Warner T-87. I am in need of the tube that feeds oil from the rocker arm assembly to the lifter valley. (I think this the right description for it?!?!?) I have tried Obsolete, Don Carpenterr's, Kanter, and another place that I can't remember the name to. Nobody had it or knew were to get it. I asked a couple of the machine shops here in town and no one has one. Can anyone tell me were I can possibly find one or if anyone has one I would be willing to buy off of you. Has anyone ever had one made or machined? Thank You. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Cardoso, a.k.a. Chuy Graduate Research Assistant (Power System Automation Lab) Dept. of Electrical Engineering, Texas A&M University College Station, TX 77843-3128 w: 409-845-4623, h: 409-775-0737, fax: 845-6259 Personal Address: P.O. Box 2214, College Station, TX 77841-2214 e-mail: cardoso ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:30:05 -0800 From: "Bill Beyer" Subject: Re: Carb Size Rule of thumb for VE: For a street stock motor use .80, for a full tilt boogie race motor use .90. - ---------- > From: tfmf211 > To: fordtrucks61-79 > Subject: Carb Size > Date: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 2:38 AM > I'm trying to use this formula to calculate the carb size for my 390. > Looks like a 700cfm should work for me. Is the VE a constant or > is this a variable based on exhaust port/header port size? The 3456 > number is a constant. I'm just trying to understand the equation so I > can apply to other application as well. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:29:13 EST From: BFoster02 Subject: Door Panels Someone posted a couple of weeks ago that they found another source for door panels for the '73-'79 models. Can we get that reference again? I need a set for my '76 desperately before these rattle me into submission. Brian Irvine CA '76 F250 Explorer '67 Toyota Stout 3/4-ton pickup => what da heck is that? :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 15:37:17 PST From: "Harry Jennings" Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #66 >>Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:52:22 -0800 >>From: "Bill Beyer" >>Subject: Re: Carb Size? >> >>- ---------- >> >>VE =3D Volumetric Efficiency > >I'm trying to use this formula to calculate the carb size for my 390. >Looks like a 700cfm should work for me. Is the VE a constant or >is this a variable based on exhaust port/header port size? The 3456 >number is a constant. I'm just trying to understand the equation so I >can apply to other application as well. > >Thanks, > > -Ted I think I can help here. i have a Keith Black dyno program that figures V.E., which it uses to figure the CFM needed for max power. It also does HP and TQ, alomg with a graph.. It is not the best around but it was cheap ($9.99 and that included S&H). For the Ford 390 it says that 810 CFM are needed for max power. If I were you I would go with a 750. Anyone else out there want me to punch the numbers in? Just need bore and stroke. Harry Jennings. ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 15:37:37 PST From: "Harry Jennings" Subject: CFM=VE >>Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:52:22 -0800 >>From: "Bill Beyer" >>Subject: Re: Carb Size? >> >>- ---------- >> >>VE =3D Volumetric Efficiency > >I'm trying to use this formula to calculate the carb size for my 390. >Looks like a 700cfm should work for me. Is the VE a constant or >is this a variable based on exhaust port/header port size? The 3456 >number is a constant. I'm just trying to understand the equation so I >can apply to other application as well. > >Thanks, > > -Ted I think I can help here. i have a Keith Black dyno program that figures V.E., which it uses to figure the CFM needed for max power. It also does HP and TQ, alomg with a graph.. It is not the best around but it was cheap ($9.99 and that included S&H). For the Ford 390 it says that 810 CFM are needed for max power. If I were you I would go with a 750. Anyone else out there want me to punch the numbers in? Just need bore and stroke. Harry Jennings. ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:41:39 EST From: BDIJXS Subject: Re:Headers I see somebody is looking for a different set of headers.....the Cyclones I use (69 f-100 4x4) come apart at the collector. The two front tubes on the passenger side slide out, meaning that you install the back portion of the header, slide in the front two tubes, and tighten everything up. No need to jack up the engine, since the front two tubes route in front of the engine support brackets. Also, they leave plenty of clearance for the starter since all four tubes are not jammed behind the motor mount.... I don't know if the Cyclones for the 4x2's do the same thing or not, but its worth asking... Colorado Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:41:45 EST From: BDIJXS Subject: Re: Steering Wheel Replacement I converted my 69 F-100 4x4 to power steering, and then installed a late 70's steering wheel.....went right on. Colorado Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:35:51 -0700 From: "Michael Connor" Subject: Re: Door Panels Brian, That may have been me. I recently posted about a company called Coverlay. You can find them on the web at: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.coverlaymfg.com Hope this helps, Mike Phoenix, AZ 77 F250 4WD 460/C6 - -----Original Message----- From: BFoster02 To: fordtrucks61-79 Date: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 4:36 PM Subject: Door Panels >Someone posted a couple of weeks ago that they found another source for door >panels for the '73-'79 models. Can we get that reference again? I need a set >for my '76 desperately before these rattle me into submission. > >Brian >Irvine CA >'76 F250 Explorer >'67 Toyota Stout 3/4-ton pickup => what da heck is that? :-) >+-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961 thru 1979 --------------+ >| Send posts to fordtrucks61-79 >| List removal information is on the web site. | >+---------- Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ ----------+ > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:41:51 EST From: BDIJXS Subject: Re: 428 flywheel Unfortunately, I have a manual transmission.....guess the one for the automatic won't work, eh? Colorado Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:10:18 -0500 From: am14 Subject: Brake light switch Brian wrote: >I don't think the '64 came with a switch at the pedal ?? It appears that I have a pressure type switch that is connected to the master cylinder If memory serves me correctly, these type switches were a problem if they ever sat (?) for a long period of time. They tend to stick, and not work under pressure anymore., Azie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:09:05 -0500 From: Sleddog Subject: RE: Carb Size THEORETICAL AIR FLOW = (RPM x DISPLACEMENT) / 3456 VE is a percentage. assume 100% or more for a race motor and 85% for a mild street motor and somewhere in between for hotter street motors. multiply THEORETICAL AIR FLOW and VE to get the estimated carb size for your application. the 3456 is a constant to make the units of the equation come out properly. also, FYI, if an engine is dyno'd, you can find the actual VE by measuring the actual airflow, and then: VE=(actual airflow)/(THEORETICAL AIR FLOW) happy calculating! sleddog - ---------- From: tfmf211 Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 5:38 AM To: fordtrucks61-79 Subject: Carb Size >Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:52:22 -0800 >From: "Bill Beyer" >Subject: Re: Carb Size? > >- ---------- > >> From: tfmf211 >> To: fordtrucks61-79 >> Subject: Carb Size? >> Date: Monday, February 02, 1998 6:44 AM >> I understand the 302 cu. in. and the 6000 Max RPM, but what is VE/3456? >> >> -Ted > >VE = Volumetric Efficiency I'm trying to use this formula to calculate the carb size for my 390. Looks like a 700cfm should work for me. Is the VE a constant or is this a variable based on exhaust port/header port size? The 3456 number is a constant. I'm just trying to understand the equation so I can apply to other application as well. Thanks, -Ted 68 F100 390 70 Torino GT 351C 87 Ranger 94 Mustang 92 Sentra (Wife's Car +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961 thru 1979 --------------+ | Send posts to fordtrucks61-79 | List removal information is on the web site. | +---------- Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ ----------+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:43:14 EST From: GMPACHECO Subject: Re: Steering wheels cracking So what is the name of the company that offers replica's? Thanks Mike in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:06:39 -0800 From: "Deacon" Subject: Re: Door Panels > That may have been me. I recently posted about >a company called Coverlay. You can find them on the web at: > >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.coverlaymfg.com > > >Hope this helps, > >Mike They look to be priced the same as the JCW catalog $192.00 a pair. My God, Why so much for ABS? If the Door panels I'm making for the '76 F350 come out too stupid looking I may go for these. They do carry arm rest at $50.30 ea The door panels come with new padded arm rest so I guess that accounts for $100.00 of the total price. Dash covers for $83.60. After seeing the price of the arm rest, I figured a dash cover was going to be a couple hundred. Thanks Mike. This does look like the place to get this stuff. I just may do it that way, so I'll bookmark the address. Their mailing address is 4017 Hwy 67 N, San Angelo, TX 76905. Anyone around there know about this place? Deacon Blues deconblu ================================================ Visit The Deacon Blues Homepage http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home1.gte.net/deconblu/ http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dragonfire.net/~site/tbirdknights/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:29:31 -0800 (PST) From: Steve & Rockette Subject: Re: Carb Size At 03:30 PM 3/2/98 -0800, you wrote: >Rule of thumb for VE: For a street stock motor use .80, for a full tilt >boogie race motor use .90. > My former '57 F100's motor had a VE of 103% at 6300rpm. The Cleveland heads probably had something to do with that. Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach '63 F100 Longbox ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 18:13:27 -0800 From: danadeb Subject: Re: Steering wheels cracking Stu Varner wrote: > > Someone posted a note yesterday about steering wheels cracking. My 71's > steering wheel is also shot. There are two companies which offer > replacement steering wheels, I am assuming, (I know I should never assume, > BUT,) they are exact replicas maybe NOS steering wheels. > > Has anyone thought about taking 67 thru 70 model steel steering wheel and > fitting it to the 71-77 column? Why couldn't a person have the steel wheel > powdercoated for durability? When you say steel wheel do you mean plastic on steel or is the whole frame steel? My 70's steering wheel is kind of devolving! when it is damp out the plastic or paint can be wiped off, and no matter how many times I clean it, it is still does it. Has anyone had a plastic wheel powder coated? I to have questions. It is funny how we all seem to be having the same problems at the same times. ;-) Dana ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 22:03:33 -0600 From: "Dennis K. Austin" Subject: Re: Torque Wrenching bolts... I know we went over this... but will you guys with a manual for the please tell me what numbers are required for the bolts on the pressure plate, the bell housing to block, and if the 435 tranny to bellhousing bolts need torque? Here is the combination. 302 V8 modified vintage unknown. 11 inch clutch (new) with 18 finger pressure plate. ATA 435 out of a '77. All in a '65 Ford. AND FOR ONCE ITS NOT GOING TO RAIN THIS WEEKEND!!!!!!!!!!! So, I want to take advantage of this good weather. Thanks guys! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 22:04:05 -0600 From: "Dennis K. Austin" Subject: Re: 66 67 Ford 7 liters Azie, Refresh my memory on this one, and I want to say the 66-67, Ford sedans that were designated as 7 Liter models. Do you remember anything on this. I remember it had to do with something about the motor, but you can tell all of us about that. - -=DENNIS=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:12:08 EST From: Impala502 Subject: Re: Steering wheels cracking I have a 1970 steering wheel, and it too is cracking. It is cracking on the three spokes where they meet the center. I was thinking of useing body filler or something similar to fill the cracks, and then painting over that. Any other ideas? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:23:58 -0600 From: "Robert Mitchem" Subject: Re: 66 67 Ford 7 liters 66 Ford Galaxie 7-Litres were a separate series. Basically they were fancy Galaxie 500 XL with buckets and console. They came only with the FE 428 or the dual quad 427 (very rare for that year). At no extra cost the buyer could opt for a 4-speed. These cars have special ornamentation and a woodgrain steering wheel. A little over 8,000 2dr hardtops were made in 66 and a little over 2,000 convertibles. These are great cars and will hold there own against stock and slightly modified 5.0 mustangs. I used to own an 86 Mustang GT and now I currently own a 66 Ford 7-Litre with 428 C-6. These big heavy Fords will surprise you. - -----Original Message----- From: Dennis K. Austin To: fordtrucks61-79 Date: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 10:04 PM Subject: Re: 66 67 Ford 7 liters >Azie, >Refresh my memory on this one, and I want to say the 66-67, Ford sedans >that were designated as 7 Liter models. Do you remember anything on >this. I remember it had to do with something about the motor, but you >can tell all of us about that. > >-=DENNIS=- >+-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961 thru 1979 --------------+ >| Send posts to fordtrucks61-79 >| List removal information is on the web site. | >+---------- Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ ----------+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 20:23:17 -0800 From: Sean Christian Hess Subject: MAJOR HESITATION = MAJOR PAIN Fellow Fordites, Last November, my cajones finally convinced my brain that I NEEDED a big 'Merican truck, so I bought a '69 Ford F250/390/C-6. I'm still in the steep part of my learning curve about V-8s, as I was a born and bread Euro-Japo-Boofu driver until recently. I have a ton of questions, but I'll start with my truck's most obvious problem. It has a serious hesitation or stumble when you first press down on the gas pedal from a standing start. It has a new, remanufactured Autolite/Ford 2 barrel carb, and I've adjusted the accelerator pump linkage to its maximum setting (I think). That is, the accelerator pump rod is in the upper-most hole on the over-travel lever, and the other end of the rod (which attaches to the accel. pum lever) is in the hole farthest away from the body of the carb. Unlike the exploded view of the "Two Barrel - Ford" carb in my Chilton's, the carb on my truck does NOT have a screw on top of the accel. pump housing to further adjust the flow. Is this hesitation typical of this engine and carb set-up? Could the problem be that I'm actually bogging the engine down with too much gas? Could it be due to the use of "clean-burning" gas with MTBE and other additives that didn't exist when this truck was made? Does anybody know of any books on tuning Autolite carbs? Holley books are a dime a dozen ... Sean Hess, Ph.D. Husband Father Archaeologist Mechanic wanna-be ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 20:38:34 PST From: "Dave Walbeck" Subject: A possible new truck and other replies Hi All, I want an opinion from the list members. I just found a 1976 F250 SuperCab Camper Special 2wd with a near perfect bed. Dual tanks & toolbox (unfortunately not fuel doors though)what do you think it's worth? The whole truck I mean. If I get it I'd like to sell the cab (No Rust) to some one that can use it for fairly cheap. It's a 390 4bbl that doesn't run but I don't know what's wrong with it (might be a simple fix?). Gary, on the article you were talking about did they mean the sleeve that rides inside the seal and spaces the front pulley out. If that's the one I know that at least from 1980 on they are balanced by this it has a built in counter weight just like the crank. Dana, the seal for the distributor should be cut with a slope to it. the fat part is on top thin part is on bottom (towards engine/manifold)shaped kind of like this __________top \________/ bottom Dave Complete and Total FORDNUT & Highboy Nut too!!!!!!!! ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 23:07:43 -0600 From: "Dennis K. Austin" Subject: Re: Disc brake guide updated to cover 65-66 I and a friend called all the custom shops in the rags that offer conversion kits for Ford Trucks. Even Master Brakes (?) said they discontinued the '65-'66 conversion kit. They all said it was unreliable in making it fit from one conversion to the next. It worked with '74 parts, but some years it didn't. I can tell you from personal experience the '74 parts fit my '65 without modifying any components and thats why its recommended. My parts came off a F250 Camper Special. I got the spindles, excellent rotors, calipers (trade them in for a rebuilt kit), old hoses (throw them out), and a front anti-sway bar for $99.00. All removed from the donor truck ready for me to pick it up. However, I am in Louisiana so it may be cheaper here. You need to buy the king pins I recommended for 65-'66. The guys on this list will tell you that the '65-'66 is the same truck. '65 is the first year to use Twin I-Beam. The '74 king pins WILL NOT FIT! The '65-'66 King Pin is notched dead center on the length. The '74 is notched off center. Take the MOOG part number that I suggested and ask your parts guy if that number is the same for '66. My guy says it is. Also, for you guys belonging to a credit union...ask if they have a members discount card. Mine does and it has a good parts house on it that gives me a 40% discount on my new parts or rebuit parts. - -=DENNIS=- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 18:19:18 -0800 > From: Don Grossman > Subject: Re: Disc brake guide updated to cover 65-66 > > Trs2000 > > > > I currently want to convert my 66 to disk brakes and I have several follow up > > questions: > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 23:27:24 CST From: "Nathan B." Subject: Need some advice I have been reading this list for a few months now and the information I have learned is priceless. I enjoy reading about all of your experiences and solutions. Now it comes my turn to ask a couple of questions. I have a 76 F150 Ranger with a 360 and C6. It runs fine but the rust kind of has it beat. I have been looking at another truck for sale. It is a 70 F250 Sport Custom Camper Special. I havent drove it yet, but as far as the body there isnt hardly any rust to speak of. I was thinking of maybe selling my truck and getting this one. I thought it would be a good idea to ask your advice first. They are asking 950 for the truck. If you guys could give me some info on motor, trans, etc. it would be real helpful. The vin # is F25YLJ22527. I am looking forward to any replies. If you would like you can email me privately at natblow Thank you in advance for any help you can give a rookie. Nathan ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:32:33, -0500 From: GEGK00A Subject: Re: carb size I think that I should clarify a few thing that I said about carb size. CFM = Displacement X RPM X VE / 3456 Horsepower = Torque X RPM / 5252 Torque = HP X 5252 / RPM VE is Volumetric Efficiency. It is the ratio of the volumne of fuel- air mixture to the volume of the a cylinder in one cycle. It will be one at low RPM and may increase to 1+ at mid RPM due to tuning of manifolds and headers. At high RPM VE will decrease. The cam duration and overlap also contributes to VE. The number 3456 = 2 X 1728 where 1728 is the number of cu in / cu ft. and 2 is to divide displacement in half, since only half of a 4 cycle engine produces vacuum in one revolution. Almost any size carb can be tuned to run on any engine, just get the mixture right. You can put a Holley Dominator on a Honda if all you want to do is go WOT thru a 1/4 mi. Just don't try to drive on the street. Thats called drivability. Since this is a truck list I recommend 'smalled is better'. If you ever want to pull a boat up a boat ramp, you need excellent throttle response. Throttle response is best with small venturi's. It's the engine displacement and the VE that produce power at low RPM, the throttle controls that power. Sorry to run on, but I learned the hard way. Dan Lee '53 F100 351C-4V ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:45:56 EST From: GMPACHECO Subject: Re: Need some advice Nathan here's what that numbers mean... F25 means (F-250) Y means (360-2V) L means Assembly Plant (Michigan Truck) J means (Month ? don't know which) 22527 is (Consecutive Unit No) Sorry Don't have all the answers Mike In Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 23:35:13 -0800 From: danadeb Subject: Re:390 "O" ring & A possible new truck and other replies Dave Walbeck wrote: > > Dana, the seal for the distributor should be cut with a slope to it. the > fat part is on top thin part is on bottom (towards > engine/manifold)shaped kind of like this > __________top > \________/ > bottom Is there a reason why that direction? Dana ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 03:34:07 EST From: Shelektric Subject: Re: ITS ALIVE !!!!! your right the 64 does have a switch on the master cyl. its been a while since i had to touch my truck with a wrench. check the wires for a brake or corrosion ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 02:21:57 -0800 From: robineil Subject: Re: Oil Feed tubes 292 heads I may be able to get what you need. I have a friend that has some 292 parts and I will see if he has the tubes. I have a 63 F250 with the 292 so I know exactly what you are talking about. Give me a couple of days to check it out. Do you need for boths heads or just one? On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:50:18 -0600 (CST) Jesus Cardoso writes: >Howdy! > > I am hoping someone can help me. For all those that are new >or >don't remember me, I have a 63 F100 LWB Flareside with a 292 Y-Block >and a >Warner T-87. > I am in need of the tube that feeds oil from the rocker >arm assembly to the lifter valley. (I think this the right description >for >it?!?!?) I have tried Obsolete, Don Carpenterr's, Kanter, and another >place that I can't remember the name to. Nobody had it or knew were >to >get it. I asked a couple of the machine shops here in town and no one >has >one. > Can anyone tell me were I can possibly find one or if anyone >has >one I would be willing to buy off of you. Has anyone ever had one >made or >machined? > > Thank You. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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