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fordtrucks61-79-digest Tuesday, January 6 1998 Volume 02 : Number 006



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In this issue:

Re: Power Steering Cooler [Bruce Kimball ]
Re: Ping [Bruce Kimball ]
RE: VALVE CLATTER ["mei home.com" ]
Re: 66 F100 Trans Swap [SuperMagot ]
Re: Other Mailing Lists [rick adc.com (Rick Larson)]
Re: Fuel tank, tranny rebuild [mark heims ]
Re: 66 F100 Trans Swap [Bruce Kimball ]
Re: Steering, C-6 Aftermarket Shifters? [SuperMagot ]
Re: Other Mailing Lists [dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)]
Re: Fuel tank, tranny rebuild [marko ]
410 pistons & misc. [marko ]

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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 21:53:43 -0500
From: Bruce Kimball
Subject: Re: Power Steering Cooler

You should be able to use any aftermarket transmission fluid cooler I would
think. I believe the old P/S coolers used to run off of the low pressure
line (just a 3/8 rubber hose). A transmission cooler should do about the
same. Its been a long time since I saw the coolers you are talking about. I
thought I saw one on a Lincoln though. I think my old 1971 LTD might have
had one too. (It had a 429 bigblock)

Good luck!
Bruce



At 07:17 PM 1/5/98 +0000, you wrote:
>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 12:53:52 -0800
>> From: Randy Collins
>> Subject: Power Steering Cooler
>>
>> List members,
>>
>> I would like to buy one of the old Ford power steering coolers. I believe
>> that these were used on late 60's early 70's 429 equipped cars. Anyone
>> have one or know where I could get one of these?
>>
>> Later,
>>
>> Randy Collins
>> Boise, Idaho
>> rcollins micron.net
>>
>Randy,
> I have one from 360 equipped '71 F-100. I removed it because it
>looked unessesary. Let me know if you are interested in mine.
>
>Jim Brady
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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 22:00:32 -0500
From: Bruce Kimball
Subject: Re: Ping

I have a 1995 Ranger with a 3.0 and have the same pinging sound. I think it
is just that, for emissions (thanks to the government) the computer is
retarding the timing under load. Great emissions, no power, and that nagging
ping. Changed to different gas but doesnt seem to help. You would think that
with sequential fuel injection, it would be impossible for a motor to ping.
Hard to say.

Bruce


At 01:30 PM 1/5/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I have a 1994 F150. I have the 302. Automatic trans. I hear a ping when I
>hit the gas. Not a loud ping but there is a ping there. I tried all
>different gas/ 87-89-93. All ping. Took it to a ford dealer here and they
>said they cant find anything wrong? Any ideas? Also thanks for the help
>with the lift kit!
>
>_jason
>disalvo tco.com
>
>
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:07:15 -0000
From: "mei home.com"
Subject: RE: VALVE CLATTER

AT .020-.022" YOU WOULD HAVE A LOT OF CLATTER! I WOULD SUGGEST .002-.0022" PROBABLY WORK JUST AS WELL WITH A LOT LESS NOISE!

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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:46:14 EST
From: SuperMagot
Subject: Re: 66 F100 Trans Swap

In a message dated 98-01-05 00:20:04 EST, you write:


to install a C6 behind the 352FE. Can I use/ modify the current transmission
cross member/support or should I find a F100 that came with auto trans and
use
that crossmember? Are they the same??? >>

Should be OK, I went from a 240 6 Cyl 3 Speed on the column to a 460 and a
C-6, and although I had to move the tranny x-member as well as the engine
towers I had no problems.

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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:47:55 -0600 (CST)
From: rick adc.com (Rick Larson)
Subject: Re: Other Mailing Lists

Tyler writes:
> ...I want to see if there
> are another mailing list anyone recomends? Has anyone else tryed any others?
> I'd really like a Vintage Car/Mustang list? Perhaps even a Do*ge/Ch*ysler or
> Ch%vy one? I'm just trying to branch out and gather more info.

I'm on a few other lists and I think you should pick a list in what
you are interested in. If you got a bowtie, you might like one of
those lists. I haven't been on one.

I have the F100 and an old Mustang. I'm on the fordnatics list and
the classic-mustang list. These are good. I've been on some other
makes news groups and they aren't worth the time. And don't get me
started on the Honda list.

I still feel for tips on car/truck maintenance from engine/carb/ignition
cooling to brakes/mc/... this list is *very good*. A lot of the "Truck"
help can be applied to any Ford.

rick
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Rick Larson rick adc.com
Minneapolis

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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 20:44:44 -0700
From: mark heims
Subject: Re: Fuel tank, tranny rebuild

> >> I'm also looking for a good source of info for rebuilding my New Process
> >> 435 4 speed. The third gear syncros are going, it grinds going in to
> >> gear and pops out while I'm accelerating.
> >
> > Chiltons has some prety good info if you don't have the factory
> >manuals. It was a pretty straight forward rebuild as it was the first
> >manual transmission ever rebuilt.
> >
> >>A friend of mine suggested
> >> getting a greaseable throwout bearing, drilling a hole in the
> >> bellhouseing and running a hose to a 1/4 28 barb fitting or a 1/4 28 >to
> 1/8 female pipe thread fitting. This way the throwout bearing can be
> >> easily greased, what do you think?
> >>
> >
> > I would like to hear more on this. My throwout bearing is going
> >after only about 5000 miles, but almost all my milage is towing heavy
> >loads or serious deep water wheelin. It took me 5 years to acumulate
> >this milage, so I'm not that upset about it. I would like to be able to
> >grease it though. Where can I get a greasable throwout bearing??
> >
> > OX
> >
> When I worked excavating we had a number of dump trucks, all with greasable
> throw bearings. Not that an Eaton 15 speed is anything like an NP 435, but
> it made me think: An NP435 is more than likely also a reasonably standard
> trans for some F700's of the early 70's vintage.
>
> Looking in my Chilton Truck Repair manual from 1974, I note there's nothing
> really indicating the existence of a greasable throw bearing except when the
> 14" single-plate clutch is mentioned. The bearing used with that one is
> greasable.
>
> As for rebuilding the 435, It doesn't look impossible. I had mine done by a
> shop but have the how-to instructions here. I could photocopy and mail to
> you if you're interested.
>
> marko in vancouver
> marko helix.net

My friend said he got the throwout from Ford, I'll call him and see if
he has the part number. He has done this on his truck using the barb
fitting, he couldn't find the 1/4 28 to 1/8 female pipe fitting, anyone
know were I can get one? He says it works great, I would check it out
for myself, but he lives 2000 miles away.

Marko, I am interested in a copy of the photo copy of the tranny how-to
instructions, let me know how much the copies and mailing will cost and
I'll send you a check.

Thanks
Mark 1978 F150 4x4 "The Great Pumpkin"

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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 22:55:16 -0500
From: Bruce Kimball
Subject: Re: 66 F100 Trans Swap

just a note that not all c6's are the same. Not all the bell-housings are
the same. 1976 was the last year for an FE block motor so you would need one
from 1976 back..

Bruce


At 10:46 PM 1/5/98 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-01-05 00:20:04 EST, you write:
>
>
> to install a C6 behind the 352FE. Can I use/ modify the current transmission
> cross member/support or should I find a F100 that came with auto trans and
>use
> that crossmember? Are they the same??? >>
>
>Should be OK, I went from a 240 6 Cyl 3 Speed on the column to a 460 and a
>C-6, and although I had to move the tranny x-member as well as the engine
>towers I had no problems.
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:49:12 EST
From: SuperMagot
Subject: Re: Steering, C-6 Aftermarket Shifters?

In a message dated 98-01-05 18:54:04 EST, you write:


When I had my cab off and on the trailer (Body Transplant) it mangled my
transmition linkage and I had already been thinking about getting any
after market floor shifter instead of my column shifter. Since I need
to replace my linkage I figured I mine as well upgrade to the floor
shifter anyways since those don't even use linkages, just cables.
(Right?) My question is whether anyone has purchased a shifter of this
type, any suggestions which ones are better, cheaper >>

I have experience with the B&M Floor shifter.
Positives: Easy to install and adjust, Looks Cool
Negatives: You lose floor space

- - Mike

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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 21:15:00 -0500
From: dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)
Subject: Re: Other Mailing Lists

- -> Fordnatics is a good list for Ford performance, all models. There's
- -> a link on the web site.

Fordnatics is full of weirdos, though. Be wary of Kemper Porter, John
Myrick, Scott Griffith, Dave Williams, Dean Collins, Brian Kelley, and
Robert Harris among others...


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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 02:19:35 -0800
From: marko
Subject: Re: Fuel tank, tranny rebuild

>
>My friend said he got the throwout from Ford, I'll call him and see if
>he has the part number. He has done this on his truck using the barb
>fitting, he couldn't find the 1/4 28 to 1/8 female pipe fitting, anyone
>know were I can get one? He says it works great, I would check it out
>for myself, but he lives 2000 miles away.

Go to an industrial supply company, a place that actually makes hydraulic
hoses on the spot. They could set you up with a real nice hose right there.
Look in the yellow pages under hydraulics or something. Some of these
stores, you can go there and build your own backhoe out of the spare parts
they've got. We (my old excavating co) used to blow tons of money at Case
for "genuine parts" until we found a place like this. They'll make you a
hose that screws right into the bearing, and put a grease fitting on the
other end, and sell you stuff that you can put around the hole in the
bellhousing, etc.

>
>Marko, I am interested in a copy of the photo copy of the tranny how-to
>instructions, let me know how much the copies and mailing will cost and
>I'll send you a check.

You see, I'm Ukrainian and guess what, Ukrainian (orthodox) Christmas is
January 6th. So you're in luck, just send me the snail mail address and
I'll mail them to you, courtesy of belated Santa. It'll cost you as much to
mail me a check for a dollar as the stamps will be to send you the copy. As
for photocopying, I think I can manage it.

marko in vancouver
marko helix.net
71 f250 4x4
67 merc m100

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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 02:58:56 -0800
From: marko
Subject: 410 pistons & misc.

Hey everyone, Happy New Year!

Well, it's just about time to drop off the ol' 410 for the much-awaited
rebuild. And I finally found a shop to do the resto on my 4x!!! Soon my
Frankenstein will be stomping the streets and backroads and trails of BC and
beyond!

Okay Marko, take a breath...

Here's my question. Me and my engine builder are trying to decide on
pistons. From talking to knowledgeable parts guys and looking in parts
books, I gather that '66 410 pistons cross-reference to post-1971 390
pistons. That would sorta figure, cause the compression ratio on older
390's was higher, and the post-71 ones lower. Looking in Steve Christ's
book, I come up with the following figures for the 410 engine, stock:

combustion chamber volume: 71.2-74.2 cc
deck clearance: 0.005"
compression height: 1.687"
crank throw: 1.99" (not that it really matters)

Looking at the cross-referenced piston, a 68-76 390 the corresponding
figures are:

combustion chamber volume: 68.1-71.1 cc (actually for 72-76)
deck clearance: 0.112"
compression height: 1.680"
crank throw: 1.89"

BTW compression height is distance from center of pin to top of piston.


Wow, the math works! I guess I shoulda just added them up. Okay, let's see
if I'm right here: Take the 1.680" piston, and put it in the 410 motor, and
you end up with 0.012" deck clearance, cause the connecting rod is the same
but the throw is 0.10" longer. So, slightly lower compression than I had to
start with. This would allow for the heads to be milled a whopping 0.007"
for me to still end up with the stock deck height, provided my new
headgaskets aren't any thicker than the old ones were.

Some time ago a guy posted that he never heard of short and long rods, and
did many a 360 to 390 conversion without any problems. This would explain
why. If you used stock 390 pistons (you have to change them cause of the
slipper skirt vs. the full skirt on the 360), and the long rods from the
360, and assuming you didn't change the heads much, this is how it would
work out:

for a 68-76 360:

rod length: 6.54"
compression height: 1.776"
deck clearance: 0.104"

the 68-76 390 is above. Rod length for that engine is 6.488", a difference
of 0.052".

This is what it'd look like for the long-rod 390:

rod length: 6.54"
compression height 1.68"
deck clearance: 0.060"

which is still less than the deck height of my 410, the 390 has smaller
combustion chambers. Given that the 67 428 and 410 had deck clearances of
0.0005", and even the clunky 330 and 361 had deck clearances of only 0.03",
you probably wouldn't bump any valves.


Okay, now that you're suitably bored, explain to me if I should bother with
forged pistons. I doubt it. What do you think? Are there any other
pistons I could try (there seem to be precious few available anymore).


Also, I promised a set of window cranks to Jamey Moss and I am sending them.
Stu Varner, how bad do ya want em? I have 2 more (means I'll have no
spares, but oh well) and I'll trade ya those for the Mercury 410 Marauder
air cleaner sticker and any other cool ones you can think of. Did you get
my snail mail address? Maybe I'll send you the ones with the plastic
handles, as I kinda like the metal ones for myself....

If anybody else out there is driving a 67, yes, you can spend $30 (US no
less) and get them from Obsolete's, or you can go to a wrecker, find a 66
Mercury station wagon, and get four perfectly matching ones, except that
(aw) they have metal knobs, not plastic.....


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