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fordtrucks61-79-digest Friday, January 30 1998 Volume 02 : Number 057



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In this issue:

Re: Varsol ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
WTB - '61-'67 Ford van [Kevin Clark ]
Re: Timing ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
RE: long rods and their effect on piston speed. ["Gary, 78 BBB"
Mags and purty trucks [Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)]
Re: 300 V.S. 302 ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Duraspark II for Brian [marko ]
Re: 66 F100 interior parts [marko ]
RE: Mags and purty trucks [Sleddog ]
Re: Varsol [John Pajak ]
RE: Mags and purty trucks [John Pajak ]
Re Hoists ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Hoists [John Pajak ]
RE: Mags and purty trucks ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Hoists ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Manual tranny for 351M ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Ramblings [John Pajak ]
Feelings on fuel injection conversions [Steven McCullough
Rotation of Dist [am14 chrysler.com]
Re: Feelings on fuel injection conversions ["Gary, 78 BBB"
Re: suicide doors ["Deacon" ]
Re: V10 [Gardner ]
Ramblings [John Pajak ]
Re: New V-10, Diesel, msc. [Gardner ]
Re: Ramblings ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
RE: suicide doors ["Gillespie, John D." ]

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:08:59 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Varsol

> From: Randy Collins
> Subject: Re: Varsol
> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:55:16 -0700

> Wanna talk about the dangers of spontaneous combustion?

Yeah, I understand if you close your eyes and think real hard about
burning something.........................

Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:25:59 -0600
From: Kevin Clark
Subject: WTB - '61-'67 Ford van

Hi!

I would like to buy a 61-67 Econoline Club Wagon (van) in good
condition. If anyone knows of one that is for sale (and hopefully not
too far from Dallas), please let me know.

Kevin Clark
clarkr aud.alcatel.com
(972) 996-2878 (days)

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:30:41 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Timing

> From: danadeb pacbell.net
> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:20:20 -0800
> Subject: Re: Timing

> > All ford's turn counter clockwise as you look down on the dist.
>
> What about "I" 6s? They rotate clockwise!

I figured I'd miss one somewhere :-) I don't mess with I6's so I'm a
bit rusty on that one, sorry :-(

> > BTW, I don't recommend doing it by ear. At idle the engine wants
> > about 40 deg advance
>
> If you set the initial to 40 deg you will have a bear of a time
> turning the engine over IMNSHO!

Your are, of course, absolutely right. That's why some wise engineer
years ago invented the "VAC". Try this experiment:

Disconnect the vac, loosen the dist clamp enough so you can bump
it around but still hold it's position and start the engine. Now
adjust the carb idle mix screws in (lean) as much as possible and
still keep it running then advance the dist to the fastest idle speed
with vac disconnected and then back the idle speed out to a good,
slow idle and repeat the process untill you can't get it any leaner
and the advance is as far as possible for fastest idle at a given
speed setting and then put a light on it. You might be very
surprised at what you see :-)

At idle you get full manifold vacuum which pulls all the advance in
which amounts to about 30 degrees plus your initial of about 10 for
most applications. That equalls 40 degrees, right? What did you get
when you put the light on it after the above experiment?

Now reset the timing to the proper initial setting, reset
the idle speed as required with vac connected then disconnect the vac
and try to run down the road with it and tell us what you get at
cruise??? (if it will run at cruise) It probably won't idle either.

That's my point. If you set the initial by ear (fastest idle speed)
it will be way too advanced. If you set it by a series of WOT runs
with the vac disconnected on a vacant road and you have a good ear
then maybe............

Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:46:57 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: long rods and their effect on piston speed.

> From: Sleddog
> Subject: RE: long rods and their effect on piston speed.
> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:30:30 -0500

> what you say, would first seem to be the case, but mathimatically it
> is not the case. this means also that the piston travels a greater
> linear distance between 90 BTDC to 90 ATDC than the 90 BBDC and 90
> ABDC. the difference is minor, but at the ragged edge of
> performance it can mean the difference between broken rods, and
> reliability.
>
> offsetting the piston pin also changes the piston speed and
> velocity.

This makes sense, thank you for reminding me about the offset.
Without the offset though I believe my analysis is correct speed
wise. Geometrycally the upper left and lower right have the same
math relative to the crank throw. There may be some minor effects
due to push me pull you from one side to the other but geometrically
speaking I can't see the difference but throw in the radial offset to
counteract piston slap and we have a whole nuther smoke......:-)

Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:08:29 -0800
From: Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)
Subject: Mags and purty trucks

The story is the same for the other make of vehicle
I mess around more with than my truck. The truck's
time will come though, soon I hope.

The magazines are in business to sell the products that
the advertisers present, and shops that do the work for
a price, who also advertise.

Occasionally a vehicle comes along that is entirely built
by the owner. Retired dentist, kid taking a class, etc.
These articles are very short, are not enthusiastic, dull,
few photos, etc. They don't use the advertised products,
so they don't count.

Unfortunately these are the vehicles that appeal to me
a LOT more than the "this was done at XXX shop using
YYY products". And of course they rarely, if ever, include
the COST of either the parts or the labor. Their intent is
to suck you into their game of pay-me-for-this. As for comparing
products from different companies, it doesn't happen. They
provide you some tidbits, but never dump on a product, as they
sometimes should. Technically I cringe whenever I see one
of those mags recommend WD-40 to loosen a bolt, as an example
of perpetuating a product at the expense of much better products
that are MADE to penetrate and loosen bolts, such as Liquid wrench,
Kroil, etc. Have they ever done a comparison of the effectiveness
of the variety of these products? Ha! No, they can't afford to dump
on ANY potential advertiser.

I pre-read the magazines that come out, and am very choosy
as to which I spend my money on. Most of the info can be
gleaned from the 'net in one way or another. This list being
one of the best DIY sources. What is lacking is more pictures
of procedures, and different models and styles of trucks. But
this list is young, it'll happen.

Gotta quit yakkin. . . . . . . . . for now. The short answer is that
you'll find it here.

- - Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab
- - - - -snip - - - -

Most of the "Truckin" magazines are for guys who want to look at
naked girls and expensive shop built trucks. Then there's the "Gang"
rags from the back alleys of LA..........

Where's the real ford stuff, like normal, ordinary, sane, blue
collar worker, non drug dealer truck enthusiast want??????

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:16:35 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: 300 V.S. 302

> From: Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)
> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:16:45 -0500
> Subject: 300 V.S. 302

> swapping a 240 for the 302 and alot of people have asked why only a
> 302. My question is what is really the difference between the 300 I6
> and a 302 V-8 other than the obvious block configuration? They are
> basically the same in cubic inches so what's the difference and
> would a 300 I6 be better than a 289 V-8? Just some things I've been
> thinking about. Thanks

The 302 is an improvement over the 240 for sure but If I had the
options between the 302 and 300 I6 I'd have a tough time justifying
the 302 unless I planned to hop it up for something other than normal
truck use. For that purpose it could only be considered marginally
better, if at all, and mostly due to one extra power cycle per
revolution and better after market support for future power upgrades
if the purpose ever changes.

If your goal is more power then the 351W is the best choice for least
hassel when going from the I6 to a V-8 since they share most mount
specs etc..

If your goal is to go V-8 just to do it and retain as much economy as
possible the 302, again, would be a marginally better choice IMHO.
The 289 would be a little less motor of course, cubes rule :-)


Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:22:33 -0800
From: marko
Subject: Re: Duraspark II for Brian

> Been there and done that !! I have printed out there complete story on
>the Duraspark II....Its GREAT !! But my problem is not having any
>wiring under the hood too start with. That makes it a little bit more
>challenging. When you start to rewire from total scratch, its hard to
>follow their diagram. You first have to wire for the connections they
>suggest you hook up the ignition to !
>
>
> Brian

Brian, do yourself a favour (canadian spelling) and go to the wreckers and
get the underhood harness from any ford pickup of about your vintage.
They're all about the same, and simple to hook up. This will save you
figuring later. Should take about 10 minutes to unhook and remove.


marko

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:26:43 -0800
From: marko
Subject: Re: 66 F100 interior parts

At 01:39 AM 1/30/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
>
>Trs2000 aol.com wrote:
>
>> Does anybody know a good source for interior parts?
>> I'm looking for a dash pad, door panels, a rubber or vinyl mat for the floor,
>> and arm rests for the doors.
>>
>> Thanks in advance

> Obsolete Ford has them, I think they are in Dallas, TX

Actually OFP is in Okla city, 405 631 3933.

You can also try Dennis Carpenter Reproductions, in Charlotte NC, 704 786
8139. I like these guys, they're really nice, about 10% cheaper than ofp,
and they have GREAT catalogs, one for each model unlike OFP which puts
everything from 48-79 together which gets confusing. I've had good luck
with Dennis Carpenter and good service.


marko in vancouver
71 f250 4x4
67 mercury m100

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:06:31 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Mags and purty trucks

SO TRUE

SLEDDOG

- ----------
From: CARVER, JEFFREY D[SMTP:Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com]
Sent: Friday, January 30, 1998 12:08 PM
To: 'Truck'
Subject: Mags and purty trucks

The story is the same for the other make of vehicle
I mess around more with than my truck. The truck's
time will come though, soon I hope.

The magazines are in business to sell the products that
the advertisers present, and shops that do the work for
a price, who also advertise.

Occasionally a vehicle comes along that is entirely built
by the owner. Retired dentist, kid taking a class, etc.
These articles are very short, are not enthusiastic, dull,
few photos, etc. They don't use the advertised products,
so they don't count.

Unfortunately these are the vehicles that appeal to me
a LOT more than the "this was done at XXX shop using
YYY products". And of course they rarely, if ever, include
the COST of either the parts or the labor. Their intent is
to suck you into their game of pay-me-for-this. As for comparing
products from different companies, it doesn't happen. They
provide you some tidbits, but never dump on a product, as they
sometimes should. Technically I cringe whenever I see one
of those mags recommend WD-40 to loosen a bolt, as an example
of perpetuating a product at the expense of much better products
that are MADE to penetrate and loosen bolts, such as Liquid wrench,
Kroil, etc. Have they ever done a comparison of the effectiveness
of the variety of these products? Ha! No, they can't afford to dump
on ANY potential advertiser.

I pre-read the magazines that come out, and am very choosy
as to which I spend my money on. Most of the info can be
gleaned from the 'net in one way or another. This list being
one of the best DIY sources. What is lacking is more pictures
of procedures, and different models and styles of trucks. But
this list is young, it'll happen.

Gotta quit yakkin. . . . . . . . . for now. The short answer is that
you'll find it here.

- - Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab
- - - - -snip - - - -

Most of the "Truckin" magazines are for guys who want to look at
naked girls and expensive shop built trucks. Then there's the "Gang"
rags from the back alleys of LA..........

Where's the real ford stuff, like normal, ordinary, sane, blue
collar worker, non drug dealer truck enthusiast want??????





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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:06:27 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak
Subject: Re: Varsol

- ---"Gary, 78 BBB" wrote:
Dang! I just saw a two post hoist in the paper but I'm not quite
ready to mess with it yet...........:-(

>>Why not? No pit and therefore no place for vapors to collect and
possibly explode! I'm looking for a 2 post hoist to go in my new
garage....that's why I the interior height is 12' 6" :)

===
John Pajak JSPajak rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

75 F100
and others

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:18:13 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak
Subject: RE: Mags and purty trucks

Where's the real ford stuff, like normal, ordinary, sane, blue
collar worker, non drug dealer truck enthusiast want??????

>It looks like it's right here. As a newcomer to this list I'm already
leaning lots of stuff about Ford trucks. I'm also on the Olds list and
the Olds Toronado list and they both have something that could be of
use here...an FAQ (frequently asked questions) complied from the list
traffic. It's sort of a brain dump from everybody.....it gets updated
periodically when new or corrected info comes in.

===
John Pajak JSPajak rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

75 F100 (without any wussy stuff)





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DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:33:15 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re Hoists

> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:06:27 -0800 (PST)
> From: John Pajak
> Subject: Re: Varsol

>Why not? No pit and therefore no place for vapors to collect and
> possibly explode! I'm looking for a 2 post hoist to go in my new
> garage....that's why I the interior height is 12' 6" :)

My barn's 12' so it's workable but I'll have to be carefull with vans
and 4x4's. I'd jump right on it but I have to justify purchases
such as that since I have a family who don't share my enthusiasm :-(

Since my floor won't be in till summer I have some time to store it
in a barn that's already full..........

Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:39:26 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak
Subject: Hoists

- ---"Gary, 78 BBB" wrote:
since I have a family who don't share my enthusiasm

>Just convince 'em how many $ you've saved by working on them
yourself. Or, get the wife involved by buyng her a cool truck or car :)

John Pajak
75 F100




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DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:44:05 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: Mags and purty trucks

> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:18:13 -0800 (PST)
> From: John Pajak
> Subject: RE: Mags and purty trucks

> and the Olds Toronado list and they both have something that could
> be of use here...an FAQ (frequently asked questions) complied from
> the list traffic. It's sort of a brain dump from everybody.....it
> gets updated periodically when new or corrected info comes in.

John I think we do have a FAQ. Some of our members write articles
with input from the list on such things as rear disk brake upgrades
etc.. We have on on the BigBronco list too :-)


Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:51:03 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Hoists

> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:39:26 -0800 (PST)
> From: John Pajak
> Subject: Hoists

> ---"Gary, 78 BBB" wrote:
> since I have a family who don't share my enthusiasm
>
> >Just convince 'em how many $ you've saved by working on them
> yourself. Or, get the wife involved by buyng her a cool truck or car
> :)

She has a spread sheet in her head that says I'm not saving any money
because I use the savings to justify buying tools.......:-( I
started using cash so she can't keep up as well...:-)

Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:52:52 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Manual tranny for 351M

> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:08:21 -0800
> From: Kurt Albershardt
> Subject: Re: Manual tranny for 351M

> At 03:12 PM 1/28/98 +0000, Gary, 78 BBB wrote:
> >Now I hear there is a new, heavier duty version in the new
> >fords which may be a better choice. They run around $1600 new.
> >
>
> That would be the NV-5600. HUGE case, much bigger than a 435.

I was thinking I read about ford and NV but I thought it was a new
transfer case......? Is the 5600 for BB's or medium trucks?

Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:01:02 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak
Subject: Ramblings

- --"Gary, 78 BBB" wrote:

John I think we do have a FAQ. Some of our members write articles
with input from the list on such things as rear disk brake upgrades
etc.. We have on on the BigBronco list too :-)

>Haven't had much time to look at the web site yet...I'm on the sly
trying to read all this email at work ;)

>I guess since new trucks are so costly and cookie-cutterish the old
75 F100 looks better every day....through squinted eyes of course.
Gray primer and all! With any luck soon I'll be able to turn the 360
into a 390 and finish the bodywork and paint. It was a Ranger but all
the trim had to go...it was collecting dirt behind and starting to
rust. Besides, the 73-79 Pickup is one of best looking trucks EVER.
IMHO it looks even better without the trim. Now it's a Custom! Of
course I have the hots for a 61-63 Unibody....and a 61 Starliner, and
a 64 Galaxie, and a '70 Mustang (428 please!) not to mention all the
Oldsmobiles I want. Ooops I'm off track.....that's not Ford content!

>More questions: I have 30x9.50x15 tires on 15x7 wagon wheels. It's
time for new back tires and I'm thinking about 31x10.50x15s. But,
every once in a while I put a lot of weight (3000-4000 lbs)in the bed
and the suspension has been known to sit on the snubbers. The 9.50s
clear the fenders but will the 10.50s? Anybody tried it? I already
have installed 77 F150 springs which help a lot but I think I need
something more. A guy here at work has air bag style helpers which let
his '94 1/2 ton F150 tow a 5th wheel. Maybe I need something like
those? Of course the best thing would be to put in a 3/4 ton rear axle
and convert the front end over to 3/4 ton. Will the 8 lug front rotors
fit on the 1/2 ton spindles?

John Pajak

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:10:37 -0600
From: Steven McCullough
Subject: Feelings on fuel injection conversions

Ok, let me have some feedback on experiences or feelings about aftermarket
fuel injection conversions - most specifically these wet throttle body kits
like the holley pro-jection series.
This is for a ~64 Mercury 390 (not in a truck, but a 64 T-bird - not
original engine), and since we have a lot of FE lovers on this group, I
thought I would ask. I'm trying to build some reliability and economy into
this thing, performance is still an issue, but with a 4800 lb car, it don't
matter much.

One reason I ask is that my dad and brother have near identical moterhomes
(as far as size/weight) both with 460's - my dads is carburated and my
brothers has a holley pro-jection kit (we're not sure if its the 670 CFM or
700 CFM) and my bothers runs circles around my dads and gets better
mileage. My brother likes the ability to adjust the mixture whenever a
little exter ummph is needed and then lean it back out on the open road.

Anyway, just let me hear from you...

Steven McCullough
1990 F150 w/5.0
1989 Mustang w/2.3 (puny, but still fun to drive)
1964 Ford Thunderbird (my true love)
Steven P. McCullough
Graduate Research Assistant
Section of Diagnostic Imaging Physics
U.T. M.D. Anderson Cancer Center
Office - (713) 792-0789
Fax - (713) 794-5272

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:17:04 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Rotation of Dist

Gary wrote: All ford's turn counter clockwise as you look down on the
dist. So
to advance you turn clockwise.

I thought the old 'Y' blocks with the Dist at the rear of engine turned
opposite of the Front dist ones. ????? I've owned at least 4, but I've
forgotten for sure.

Azie

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:23:10 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Feelings on fuel injection conversions

> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:10:37 -0600
> From: Steven McCullough
> Subject: Feelings on fuel injection conversions

> Ok, let me have some feedback on experiences or feelings about
> aftermarket fuel injection conversions - most specifically these wet
>
> One reason I ask is that my dad and brother have near identical
> moterhomes (as far as size/weight) both with 460's - my dads is
> carburated and my brothers has a holley pro-jection kit (we're not
> sure if its the 670 CFM or 700 CFM) and my bothers runs circles
> around my dads and gets better mileage. My brother likes the
> ability to adjust the mixture whenever a little exter ummph is
> needed and then lean it back out on the open road.

Some of the bronco guys have the Holley projection and like it but
all seem to agree that the higher end version with the feed back
system is the best. I don't know if that one allows for in-cab
adjustment or not but I think it does. One member burned a pistion
but not sure if it was the projection or not since his engine was old
when he installed it.

I'm entertaining this idea myself and have to debate the pros and
cons of metering rod, spread bore vs/ injection. If I stick with
carbs it will be Rochester or Carter AFB, not Holley for sure :-)
This is primarily due to my desire to have an engine that won't bog
on inclines or rough terrain and the hope that there really is a
Santa...........I mean.....economy to be had in BB ford engines :-)



Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:02:33 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: suicide doors

>Deacon, do you have the subscription address handy for that magazine?
>I've never seen it on any stands or I'm sure I would have picked it
>up. The only magazines I've seen for fords have all been for the
>ugly, useless Mustang and all they deal with is the puny 302 (whoa,
>I'm outahere :-)), what good does that do anyone?? Petersons often
>puts out an annual ford engines collectors or reference edition which
>I try to grab if I see them but I haven't seen one in a while.

I ripped out all the subscription stuff out. Sorry! It's published by;

McMullen Argus Publishing, Inc.
774 South Placentia Avenue
Plancentia, CA 92670-6846
Tel: 714.572.2255

You can try calling them. They had a Webpage at www.mcmullenargus.com I've
been trying to go to it for a couple hours so I could show you the magazine
but I keep gettiig "unable to open site..." :( It's the same place that
publishes Mini Truckin' and Truckin' and has about the same format.

>Most of the "Truckin" magazines are for guys who want to look at
>naked girls

Do you have the subscription address handy for that magazine? Sorry! It just
looked so.... ;]


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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:17:34 -0500
From: Gardner
Subject: Re: V10

Kurt Albershardt wrote:
>
> At 08:51 PM 1/28/98 EST, A64F100 wrote:
> >I've heard that the ford V10 is a little lacking in the torque department, I
> >don't know how true it is, but it's something I've heard....
>
> Got a client with a fleet of E350 Super-Duty conversions used mostly for
> city driving. He laments the loss of the 460 big-time. Says its' off-idle
> grunt is much better. OTOH he loves the new ones on the highway.
>
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Here are the ratings 265hp at 4800rpm
410lbs.tq at 2800rpm
respectable numbers but one would expect more from a V-10!

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:15:52 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak
Subject: Ramblings

--"Gary, 78 BBB" wrote:

John I think we do have a FAQ. Some of our members write articles
with input from the list on such things as rear disk brake upgrades
etc.. We have on on the BigBronco list too :-)

>Haven't had much time to look at the web site yet...I'm on the sly
trying to read all this email at work ;)

>I guess since new trucks are so costly and cookie-cutterish the old
75 F100 looks better every day....through squinted eyes of course.
Gray primer and all! With any luck soon I'll be able to turn the 360
into a 390 and finish the bodywork and paint. It was a Ranger but all
the trim had to go...it was collecting dirt behind and starting to
rust. Besides, the 73-79 Pickup is one of best looking trucks EVER.
IMHO it looks even better without the trim. Now it's a Custom! Of
course I have the hots for a 61-63 Unibody....and a 61 Starliner, and
a 64 Galaxie, and a '70 Mustang (428 please!) not to mention all the
Oldsmobiles I want. Ooops I'm off track.....that's not Ford content!

More questions: I have 30x9.50x15 tires on 15x7 wagon wheels. It's
time for new back tires and I'm thinking about 31x10.50x15s. But,
every once in a while I put a lot of weight (3000-4000 lbs)in the bed
and the suspension has been known to sit on the snubbers. The 9.50s
clear the fenders but will the 10.50s? Anybody tried it? I already
have installed 77 F150 springs which help a lot but I think I need
something more. A guy here at work has air bag style helpers which let
his '94 1/2 ton F150 tow a 5th wheel. Maybe I need something like
those? Of course the best thing would be to put in a 3/4 ton rear axle
and convert the front end over to 3/4 ton. Will the 8 lug front rotors
fit on the 1/2 ton spindles?

John Pajak

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:19:26 -0500
From: Gardner
Subject: Re: New V-10, Diesel, msc.

ECampb5214 aol.com wrote:
>
> Thats more 10 ft. lbs. torque then dodge unsure bought the hp though.
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Dodge V-10
300hp
450lbs torque!

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:28:03 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Ramblings

> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:15:52 -0800 (PST)
> From: John Pajak
> Subject: Ramblings

> More questions: I have 30x9.50x15 tires on 15x7 wagon wheels. It's
> time for new back tires and I'm thinking about 31x10.50x15s. But,
> every once in a while I put a lot of weight (3000-4000 lbs)in the
> bed and the suspension has been known to sit on the snubbers. The
> 9.50s clear the fenders but will the 10.50s? Anybody tried it? I

I put a 4" body lift on my 78 for 33x12.5.15's on 10" rims and had
plenty of room but it wasn't even drivable otherwise with those
tires. 31x10.5's on 7" rims may work but I suspect you will have
trouble with the font end on turns, maybe not.

I found the larger tires made the truck unfriendly in rain and
hydroplaned badly on puddles so went back to the stock LT size tires.
I put more leafs in the rear for more capacity which also gave me a
better level loaded to improve steering with rediculous loads. I
hauled 1.96 tons of gravel with a level truck (78 F-150) but my rear
tires aren't rated for that kind of weight so I'm going to get some
used 8 or 10 plys to put on for those special loads :-)

The truck drives much nicer with regular 235 street tires on it.

I'm heading out for the weekend, see you guys Monday :-)


Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:56:47 -0500
From: "Gillespie, John D."
Subject: RE: suicide doors

Gary, I agree with you and living down here in San Diego, never get to
see the GOOD magazines. So Please Deacon let us uninformed know the
address/url to s*bscribe.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary, 78 BBB [SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
Sent: Friday, January 30, 1998 12:19 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: suicide doors....


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