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fordtrucks61-79-digest Monday, January 26 1998 Volume 02 : Number 042



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In this issue:

Re: Rear Brakes Part 3 [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: Restoration Act II [Kurt Albershardt ]
Re: Found an awesome truck... [Gardner ]
Re: P/S things [Don Grossman ]
Re: P/S things oops [Don Grossman ]
Manual tranny for 351M [Tyler Wilkins ]
Re: 351M Pinging and Dieseling [Tyler Wilkins ]
ADMIN: Pigeon Forge Info [Ken Payne ]
Re: Manual tranny for 351M [BADFORD4x4 ]
Re: Highboys ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: Manual tranny for 351M [Tyler Wilkins ]
RE: found an awesome truck [GEGK00A prodigy.com ( DAN LEE)]
Re: Manual tranny for 351M ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: Bucket Seats ["Michael Redden" ]
Re: P/S things [OldTrux ]
Alcohol? [ECampb5214 ]
Re: Alcohol? [danadeb pacbell.net]
RE: Alcohol? [Sleddog ]
RE: Alcohol? [Sleddog ]
Rear Bearings [danadeb pacbell.net]
Rear Seals [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: Rear Seals ["J. Oxley" ]
Re: looking for 390 4bbl manifold ["Robert Mitchem"
Re: 9" rearend ? [CandyDMan ]
RE: Alcohol? [marko ]
Re: Rear Seals [danadeb pacbell.net]

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 03:09:01 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Rear Brakes Part 3

Deacon wrote:
>
> >If I might plagiarize: ------NUKE Winston Tire-------
>
> But, but, but Sam loves us! He only cares that we're safe! He puts a baby in
> a tire for Christ sakes!!! :)




But Sams dead isn't he?


>
> Way to go Dana! You got charges taken off the bill? You most be one of
> those angry Boy Scout types! :)Those of us in So. Cal. Thank you for showing
> us where not to take our trucks for brakes. It's bad enough what they did to
> you, thanks to you they won't get any more of us!!!
> What kind of tires do you have? I need to get wheels and tires for my
> '76 F350 in the next couple of weeks and I'm looking for suggestions.
>

Winston 33x16.5 Radials in the rear ( Mud and Fun or something like that ) here
is another bit of info they mounted them 2 years ago on the stock 6.5 wide
wheels. I noticed that they seem to be wearing in the center fast so I checked
and they should not be mounted on anything smaller then 8" or so!!! cute huh!!!

Good thing they never told and I never asked when they were mounted so when they
need replacement in a year or so they should be free??????



> BTW, What was that factor you were talking about at first? I need to stay
> away from it in the future also! :)
>
> Ack, ack ack, ACK ACK ACK, ack ack! Sorry it's a line from Mars attack. We
> come in peace. Do not run. We are your friends! :)
> Later!



Careful or I will Zap you with one of those things they used in the movie ;)


Really I could have used you today, your self confessed reputation would have
probably got me the 20% ;)

See ya!

Dana

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:11:46 -0800
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: Re: Restoration Act II

At 12:43 AM 1/25/98 -0800, marko wrote:
>
>I was surprised that the whole heater assembly is only held to the firewall
>by 3 bolts, with tin nuts on the other end. I may decide to install this
>more securely somehow, probably using solid nuts.
>

Whoa there, Tex! Those tin nuts (if they're the ones I think they are)
were put there by the factory on purpose. They conform to the not-so-flat
surafce of the firewall at that point rather nicely. Regular nuts, lacking
the concave shape of those cheezey units, won't hold quite as well and may
carve up the body a bit. They lasted this long, didn't they? If you have
to replace them, try to find the self-lockers that look like they have a
concave lockwasher welded to the bottom of them (not Nylocks) since they'll
have a similar contact patch.

Just my $0.02 based on a few chewed up body parts in the past.

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:37:35 -0500
From: Gardner
Subject: Re: Found an awesome truck...

Daniel H. Jenkins wrote:
>
> OK, I know that this may be a couple of years too early for this
> group, but I wanted to get the opinions of some of the wiser and older
> people here. I found a 1956 Ford pickup truck for sale. It has a
> non-stock (I think) 429 V8. The truck also has, for all intensive
> purposes, no rust. :) The down side is that it isn't exactly put
> together. :( I have a good deal of technical ability and would like to
> put it together. What do you guys think would be a good asking price for
> this truck? Everything appears to be there, it just isn't put together.
> Also, where would you guys store something like this? I can't store it at
> the house. :( Sorry if this is off topic, but I appreciate any input you
> guys have; you're usually right. Thanks.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Daniel H. Jenkins Food for thought: John Milton
> djenkins honors.unr.edu wrote _Paradise_Lost_; When his
> Honors Program wife died he wrote _Paradise_
> University of Nevada, Reno _Regained_...
>
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I really don't have any answers to your questions, but if it turns out
that you don't want I would be ineterested!

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:37:21 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: P/S things

Sorry to get back to you so late.

I wasn't the origional person to put the power steering on the truck but
I will be the one to do it right.

You have a 66 so things should be a little ezier for you. What you
could do is look for a 77-79 F150 4x4 and grab the pump, mounting
hardware and steering gear for the transplant.

Mine uses (right now) a mix match of parts such as a Chevy steering
gear. I am planning on changing out the entire front end with 77 parts,
coil springs and the works.

Does the steering box on your truck mount on the inside or outside of
the frame rails? If it is on the inside you could use a power steering
box out of a 2x4 and make up some custom mounting brackets but it should
be close.

Got to run

Laters
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-100 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:41:19 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: P/S things oops

I hate it when that happens
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-100 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:03:02 -0600
From: Tyler Wilkins
Subject: Manual tranny for 351M

With all this tranny talk it reminded me of something I could ask here.
As many of you have noticed, I have my 351M out but just about to go
back in my '79 F-100. It has (had) a C-6 in it that came out when I
took out the motor. I was wonderin' what manual tranny's could go with
this motor, I was going to redo the C-6 but have decided to go stick, so
I'm trying to figure out what tranny's will work, will any of the newer
(80's) 4 or 5 speeds work or do I have to stay with the 70's 4-speeds?
Thanx!

Tyler Wilkins

'79 F-100 351M, C-6
'74 F-100 360, C-6
'73 F-250 360, 4-speed

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:03:08 -0600
From: Tyler Wilkins
Subject: Re: 351M Pinging and Dieseling

> Sounds like the perfect excuse to pull it apart and decarbon the heads. And
> since you're going to have to take it apart anyways you might as well slip
> in a 400 crank, bump the CR a little, a good torque building cam, etc.
> etc........... ;-)

Ok, now you got me involved in this thread, I've heard plenty on FE
crank/piston swaps.
I guees I never thought about my 351M, Does the 400 crank bolt right
in? My 351M is just about to be reassembled, so now maybe I'll go
hunting for a 400 crank first. What kind of improvements would this
yeild? Any other suggestions before I do my re-assembly?

Tyler Wilkins

'79 F-100 351M, C-6
'74 F-100 360, C-6
'73 F-250 360, 4-speed, 33" BFG Muds
'94 Explorer 4-Door, 31 BFG All-Terrains
Coming Soon....... '74 Bronco 302, C-4, 36,000 origanal miles!

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:18:47 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Pigeon Forge Info

Information for those planning on attending the F100
Nationals in Pigeon Forge, Tenn., May 12-16.

Show lingers on through the 17th. We plan on being there
with a booth May 15-17th.

Here's information about lodging. I wanted to recommend
hotels but its taking a ton of my time so I'm simply going
to present some web site addresses for everyone. My wife
and I got married in this area and a travel agent got us
very good rates. Those who don't want to call any of
the hotels listed should try a travel agent.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pigeon-forge.tn.us/hot-mot.html - Hotels/motels
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pigeon-forge.tn.us/cgrounds.html - Campgrounds
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pigeon-forge.tn.us/pfattrct.html - Entertainment
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pigeon-forge.tn.us/pfshopp.html - Shopping
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pigeon-forge.tn.us/pfrest.html - Restaurants
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pigeon-forge.tn.us/milemap.html - Map and milage
from major cities.

Gatlinburg - about 8 miles outside of Pigeon Forge. Much nicer
town - hugs the river and its nestled right on the opening
of the valley. Town is built on both sides of a river which
runs between the mountains.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.gatlinburg.com/accomo.html - Hotels/motels
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.gatlinburg.com/attract.html - Attractions
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.gatlinburg.com/chcamp.html - Campgrounds
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.gatlinburg.com/map.html - Maps and milage

Nearest airport is in Maryville, south of Knoxville. Don't know
exactly how far from Pigeon Forge but I would guess 60 miles
or less.

Another good place to stay is Sevierville, which is about 5-10
miles outside of Pigeon Forge. Don't have any information on
that town (yet). This is where Peggy and I tied the knot. Not
much to do here but I'm sure the rates are good and its not
far from Pigeon Forge.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:34:45 EST
From: BADFORD4x4
Subject: Re: Manual tranny for 351M

Ford makes one manual Tran that is a 5 speed out of late 80's early 90's that
will fit. Right now i can't recall the name. But i believe it is out of a 5
speed straight 6. I'll look for you and let you know.

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:01:43 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: Highboys

I hate to disagree with you but your dads truck is either a conversion or
it ain't a '72 or it ain't an F350. Every piece of information I've read or
heard anywhere says that there were NO F350 4x4s prior to 1978.

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> From: BADFORD4x4
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: Highboys
> Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 9:31 PM
>
> I totally agree with you on your highboy thoery. But Ford did to make a
F350
> 4x4 before 77. My father has one sitting in his driveway. It is a 72.

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:22:58 -0600
From: Tyler Wilkins
Subject: Re: Manual tranny for 351M

> Ford makes one manual Tran that is a 5 speed out of late 80's early 90's that
> will fit. Right now i can't recall the name. But i believe it is out of a 5
> speed straight 6. I'll look for you and let you know.

Thanx! Thats probably an overdrive tranny too then hey? That would be
really cool. Off a straight six it will bolt right up? Or will I have
to change the bell-housings? I have a bell-housing of an early 80's
351M 4-speed, maybe that'll work......

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:49:20, -0500
From: GEGK00A prodigy.com ( DAN LEE)
Subject: RE: found an awesome truck

>OK, I know that this may be a couple of years too early for this
>group, but I wanted to get the opinions of some of the wiser and
older
>people here. I found a 1956 Ford pickup truck for sale. It has a
>non-stock (I think) 429 V8. The truck also has, for all intensive
?purposes, no rust. :) The down side is that it isn't exactly put
>together. :( I have a good deal of technical ability and would like
to
>put it together. What do you guys think would be a good asking
price for
>this truck? Everything appears to be there, it just isn't put
together.
>Also, where would you guys store something like this? I can't store
it at
>the house. :( Sorry if this is off topic, but I appreciate any
input you
>guys have; you're usually right. Thanks.


Dan
It sounds like a good project truck, no rust is a good start. You
say it's not put together, if it's a rolling frame a couple of
hundred dollars is about all its worth, maybe more for the 429 motor.
If it's mostly assembled and just needs finishing a couple of
thousand should be enough. As far as storing it a garage will be
necessary if you ever intend to complete it. You could rent storage
space in one of those storage facilities, but they are expensive. How
about where campers are stored for winter? I don't know what they
charge, but you will need a cover outdoors.

Good Luck

Dan Lee
'53 F100
351C=4V

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:53:18 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: Manual tranny for 351M

The M series engines have the same bolt pattern as the big block 460s, so I
don't think that would work...

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> From: Tyler Wilkins
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: Manual tranny for 351M
> Date: Sunday, January 25, 1998 1:22 PM
> Thanx! Thats probably an overdrive tranny too then hey? That would be
> really cool. Off a straight six it will bolt right up? Or will I have
> to change the bell-housings? I have a bell-housing of an early 80's
> 351M 4-speed, maybe that'll work......

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:54:34 -0500
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: Re: Bucket Seats

>I saw a 67 mercury pickup once I tried to persuade a guy to part with but
he
>wouldn't budge. (Lucky for me, I found a better one, but anyway) It had a
>FACTORY bucket seat setup, in black vinyl with a bit of a center console.
>It looked more like the style of a back seat out of a muscle car, with the
>two seats bucketed and a small center raised section. This was the coolest
>seat I've ever seen for a pickup. Guy swore it was as stock as the day it
>was bought (and it looked it) so maybe someone with knowledge of what they
>came with can tell me I'm either a "highboy" or it's true?
>
>
>marko
>
I think the early Rangers had seats like that...

mikeR

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:12:45 EST
From: OldTrux
Subject: Re: P/S things

In a message dated 98-01-25 13:40:06 EST, you write:

> Does the steering box on your truck mount on the inside or outside of
> the frame rails?

My steering box mounts on the outside of the frame. It is a Gemmer box. I
could use any advice you can offer. It has a 352 and 4speed (NP435) and a
Spicer 20 transfer case and 9" rear end.

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:27:01 EST
From: ECampb5214
Subject: Alcohol?

Hello everyone

There is alcohol in gas. Can i put an over the shelf, Isoprpyl alcohol in my
gas tank. It is Extremely Flamable and figureed if i can get the water out
(or if not) (30%), i could dilute some in a tank full? Or some other type? I
figured it would be an instant horse power biulder. please wright back with
your opions / suggestion.

thankx
Ethan

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:47:04 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Alcohol?

Don't Do it!!!!!

Most fuel systems are not intended to live with alcohol. The rubber parts will
be harmed!!! Alcohol has less BTUs then gasoline and over the counter isopropyl
( rubbing )alcohol is mostly water ( If I am remembering correctly ) The way
people make big HP is because the right alcohol ( cant remember if it is
methanol or ethanol )has a very high octane and they bump the compression up to
get gasoline like performance or better! also the fuel systems are designed for
it.

Look at the gas pump stickers next time your out. The ones in California even
state that older cars may develop fuel leaks and fires by using the gas of today
which has alcohol ao an alcohol like substance in it.

I may not have all of my info 100% correct but every thing I know or think I
know says DON'T DO IT!!!!!

Back in the mid 80s there were devices to spray water into the carb to help
reduce pinging and some people said use isopropyl alcohol instead but that is
different then putting it in the fuel tank.

Hope this helps

Dana

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:17:59 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Alcohol?

the alchohol is used to "absorb" the water i think. it also can damage
seals and gaskets in carbs and pumps if used too much in componants not
meant for alcohol.

as for horsepower- alcohol makes more power because of the fact that it A)
cools the intake charge down, and B) it uses a 6:1 ratio instead of a 15:1
ratio of gas. the alcohol itself actually has less energy in it per volume
than the gas at the pump. also the alcohol that is used as fuel is
methonal. if an engine is running rich, the alchohol may lean the mixture
out a little and build a horse or two, but i do not think it would
noticable. i put dry-gas (mostly alcohol) in my tank already with only a
little bit of gas and noticed no extra power.

sleddog

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From: ECampb5214[SMTP:ECampb5214 aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 1998 7:27 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Alcohol?

Hello everyone

There is alcohol in gas. Can i put an over the shelf, Isoprpyl alcohol in
my
gas tank. It is Extremely Flamable and figureed if i can get the water out
(or if not) (30%), i could dilute some in a tank full? Or some other type?
I
figured it would be an instant horse power biulder. please wright back
with
your opions / suggestion.

thankx
Ethan






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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:22:44 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Alcohol?

alcohol injection was used to cool the intake charge to reduce
knock/ping/detonation and afew people used it allow a richer charge of gas
(cooler intake=more air to burn more gas).

water injection only helped to reduce knock/ping/detonation,

sleddog

- ----------
From: danadeb pacbell.net[SMTP:danadeb pacbell.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 1998 7:47 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: Alcohol?

- ------snip-------

Back in the mid 80s there were devices to spray water into the carb to help
reduce pinging and some people said use isopropyl alcohol instead but that
is
different then putting it in the fuel tank.

Hope this helps

Dana






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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:29:36 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Rear Bearings

Just wanted to get a feel for the following:

On a full floating rear hub ( Dana 60 in my case ) should the inside of the hub
be packed with grease like I have always done in the front hubs?

Should I pack grease into the front hubs for that matter?

My shop manual only says pack the bearings, doesn't say anything about grease
anywhere else.

Thanks

Dana

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:33:51 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Rear Seals

Has anyone tried the kits to repair the spindle surface where the seal rides?

I have seen kits that have a very thin sleeve that is pressure fit over the
existing seal surface. This creates a new surface for the seal to ride on and
should prevent leaks if the seal surface was the problem.

Thanks

Dana

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:02:46 -0500
From: "J. Oxley"
Subject: Re: Rear Seals

> I have seen kits that have a very thin sleeve that is pressure fit over the
> existing seal surface. This creates a new surface for the seal to ride on and
> should prevent leaks if the seal surface was the problem.
>

I have heard the rear main seal kits to do this very same thing work
very well, but I have not personally used them.

OX

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:58:32 -0600
From: "Robert Mitchem"
Subject: Re: looking for 390 4bbl manifold

If you are still interested in the manifolds E-Mail me at
robertlm worldnet.att.net
- -----Original Message-----
From: Tyler Wilkins
To: fordtrucks61-79 listservice.net
Date: Saturday, January 10, 1998 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: looking for 390 4bbl manifold


>Robert Mitchem wrote:
>>
>> I have 3 4-V 390 intakes laying in my garage. I live on the Mississippi
>> Gulf coast. If interested let me know.
>> My dad has one in High Point, NC if that would be a shorter distance for
you
>> to pick it up or I could ship you one UPS.
>
>I would be interested in one too if you don't need them. What kind of
>price would we be looking at for the manifold? Any idea what the thing
>weighs or what it would cost to ship UPS, I'm in Milwaukee, WI. Let me
>know. Thanks!
>
>Tyler WIlkins
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:22:19 EST
From: CandyDMan
Subject: Re: 9" rearend ?

>A 9 inch rearend bolts and unbolts from the front of the axle housing.

So does an 8 inch rearend. The way to tell them apart is to look at the bolt
pattern. The bolts on the 8 inch are all accesible using a socket wrench
(straight in). On the 9 inch rearend, one of the bottom bolts is not
accessible using a socket wrench, a open end or box wrench is required.

Dennis

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:49:34 -0800
From: marko
Subject: RE: Alcohol?

On this topic,

you can burn either methanol or ethanol. Ethanol is grain alcohol which you
can also drink, and is the common ingredient in 'gasohol'. Methanol is
burned by Indy cars I think and you will go blind if you drink it. I hope I
have this right, but I'm pretty sure I do, because gas line antifreeze is
Methyl Hydrate i.e. methanol and it'll make you go blind.....


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