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fordtrucks61-79-digest Friday, January 23 1998 Volume 02 : Number 037



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In this issue:

Ford Truck post [am14 chrysler.com]
Re: 351M Pinging & Dieseling ["Dave Resch"]
Highboy [am14 chrysler.com]
Re: Dupont Imron ["Jason K. Schechner" ]
Pinging 351M [am14 chrysler.com]
Re: New Carpet [Keith Srb ]
Re: 351M Pinging & Dieseling ["Dave Resch"]
Re: Highboy ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: 351M Pinging & Dieseling ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Dupont Imron ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: intake manifolds ["Deacon" ]
Carb/ignition question [Brian Koss ]
Highboy [Brazzadog ]
Re: Door problems... ["Deacon" ]
Bucket Seats [Keith Srb ]
Re: 351M Pinging & Dieseling [Jamey Moss ]
Re: Marko 410 [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Tried, true, and Ford Blue? ["Terry Sherman" ]
F-Series kicks _ss [ECampb5214 ]
Re: Bucket Seats [BADFORD4x4 ]
Re: Door Problems ["Dale and Donna Carmine" ]
Re: 351M Pinging and Dieseling ["Dale and Donna Carmine"
Re: Door Problems [BADFORD4x4 ]
Re: 351M Pinging and Dieseling [Adam Clever ]
Re: Door Problems [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Re: 351M Pinging and Dieseling [BADFORD4x4 ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #35 [BULL229 ]
Re: Highboy [Ken Payne ]
bot a van [GMPACHECO ]
Highboys ["Dave Walbeck" ]

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:43:21 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Ford Truck post

Don: I get all mine at once, cause I'm on Digest mode.

>>One last thing, Why am I getting all the FT posts at one time in the
evening? Whats up with that?

Azie

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:01:47 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: 351M Pinging & Dieseling

>From: danadeb pacbell.net
>Subject: Re: 351M Pinging & Dieseling
>
>snip
>
>Sounds like it might be running real lean!! Or the spark
>plugs might be too high a heat range and they might be
>acting like a glow plug causing the ping and the dieseling
The spark plugs I used are the recommended heat range (Autolite #25) and
one cooler (Autolite #26).

When I first got this truck, it had 60K on the rebuild and the previous
owner was running the timing at 0 TDC (probably from neglect/lack of
maintenance) and running the Autolite 26 plugs (cooler heat range) and the
truck did the pinging and dieseling thing.

OTOH, I'm driving the truck in Colorado at altitude (where I bought it from
the previous owner) and, as far as I know, it is not a high altitude
calibration. It could be that at some point, the carb jets were changed
out in the Motorcraft 2150 to compensate for altitude, and whoever did it
went too far leaning it out. Could that be it?

Since both problems (pinging and dieseling) were pretty bad, even with
cooler heat range plugs and the base timing way retarded, I'm still
thinking of carbon deposits accumulated in the head. Has anyone ever had
this problem in an M-block?

Thanks.
Dave R. (M-block devotee, still)

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:07:38 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Highboy

I thought it was for those 4X4's built with the front 'pumpkin' upside
down (drive shaft yoke was at the top - not the bottom) and the front
springs were set and arched higher to clear the drive
shaft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is definately 2 different heights fo
4X4's in '77 Fi50's.

>>Actual it is a FORD truck term. They sold a "highboy" model with a
factory
lift above the normal four wheel drive model. It was an option that was
availible in the seventies( up to 76 I think?).

Azie

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:15:26 -0500 (EST)
From: "Jason K. Schechner"
Subject: Re: Dupont Imron

On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Keith Srb wrote:

> When I painted my Car, I used Dupont products exclusively. It worked
> good for me, but the car was inside the body shop most of the time.
>
> Are you sure both those products are primers? To me it also most sound
> like the Spies paint is more a sealer instead of a primer?

The paint shop said they were both primers. I talked to half a
dozen body shops in the area and 5 of the 6 recommended this paint shop so
I assume they know what they're talking about.
What would you all recommend I do about sealing the metal once
I've blasted/welded/bondo'd since I won't be able to do the real painting
until Spring?

- -Jason
79 Bronco (460 coming soon, C6, 33" BFG AT's) GRN GYNT - offroad monster
79 Bronco (400M, C6, 31" Wranglers) blue - BGHOSS
95 Mustang GT - LTLHOS - Eibachs, 3.55's, K&N, 13deg timing
84 Kawasaki GPz550 - TNYHOS - to make up for the Broncos' appetite

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:50:20 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Pinging 351M

YO David (M block Devotee): Sure sounds like too much advance to me.
Have you tried the old 'TRIAL AND EREOR" method of replacing the coil -
distributor - ECU??? Surely you have at least one extra of each of
these lying around someplace. Scarcastic as it may sound these are the
things I would do 1st IF I WAS SURE ABOUT THE SETTING ON MY TIMING.

>>I have the base timing advanced just 2 degrees from factory spec (12
BTDC
now), but that can't be so much that it causes the pinging (can it?).
Seemed like it pinged pretty bad even when the timing was way retarded
from
spec (0 TDC).

Azie

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:46:21 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: New Carpet

At 05:08 PM 1/22/98 -0800, you wrote:

>>Hello everyone. I am in the final stages of resoreing my 1970 F-250. It is a

>>Ranger XLT Camper Special with a 360. I just ordered some carpet to replace

>>the old ratty stuff, and I was wondering if any of you had any suggestions for

>>me before i put it in. I have also been told that the 1970 Ford F-250 Ranger

>>XLT Camper Special was a rare truck, is there any truth to this?

>>

>>Thanks

>

>I've seen a lot of 67, 68, 69 and 71 and 72 especially but not very many

>70's at all. Also, there aren't that many of these trucks around period so

>I suppose an XLT Camper Special would be rarer.

>

>As for the carpet, you can use contact cement to glue it down.

>

>marko

>


3M General Trim Adhesive works well to, also allow you to pull the carpet back up later without much effort.


Later



Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.netvalue.net/herbie

Mesa, AZ

1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi
5-Speed.

1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.

1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, Camper Special, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long
Box, Style Side.

1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Model 1100 1bbl carb, Oil Bath Air
Cleaner,

Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.

My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two
Wheels!"




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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:16:50 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: 351M Pinging & Dieseling

>From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
>Subject: Re: 351M Pinging & Dieseling
>
>snip
>
>Dieseling is due to throttle adjustment. You have probably
>taken the dash pot out of the linkage or it no longer works.
>This is required to allow it to idle but still shut the throttle plate
>completely when the key is off.

I still have the dashpot and tested it recently. I will re-check its
adjustment, though.
>Spark knock can be carbon or hot plugs but it can also be non
>working EGR, vacuum leak etc.. First make sure the PCV is
>hooked up right and working, then take off the EGR plate and
>clean it and make sure the needle operates freely and the vac
>will operate it. Check the
Aha! I just got the EGR valve working last summer for the first time since
I bought the truck.

I replaced a defective thermal PVS in the water pump housing when I
replaced the water pump, and it was a switch for the EGR valve. Once the
EGR started working, I had all sorts of problems, but I finally got them
worked out when I retraced and debugged the whole vacuum system. Since
then, I have not tried using regular gas (just being in the habit of using
premium, thinking I had no choice).

Funny thing is, I replaced a faulty EGR valve and cleaned out the spacer
four years ago (first time I rebuilt the carb). Little did I realize that
those parts were doing nothing until last year, when I finally discovered
and replaced the defective PVS.

Hmmm. Maybe I don't have a problem after all. I guess I'll have to try
regular gas again.

Thanks.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:57:35 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: Highboy

'77 was the year they changed from the "High Boy" to the "Low Boy" '77 1/2
4x4s are "Low Boys" They basically changed the arch on the front springs
from positive to negative. I believe the "upside down" pumpkin you're
talking about is the reverse cut with the pinion on the top. Both the Dana
44s and the Dana 60s were/are available in this configuration. It's primary
advantage is the ability to sustain more severe driveline angles. In other
words I think the pumpkin was the effect rather than the cause of the
suspension set up.

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> From: am14 chrysler.com
> To: Fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Highboy
> Date: Friday, January 23, 1998 11:07 AM
>
> I thought it was for those 4X4's built with the front 'pumpkin' upside
> down (drive shaft yoke was at the top - not the bottom) and the front
> springs were set and arched higher to clear the drive
> shaft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is definately 2 different heights fo
> 4X4's in '77 Fi50's.
>

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:00:57 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: 351M Pinging & Dieseling

> From: "Dave Resch"
> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:01:47 -0700
> Subject: Re: 351M Pinging & Dieseling

> OTOH, I'm driving the truck in Colorado at altitude (where I bought
> it from the previous owner) and, as far as I know, it is not a high
> altitude calibration. It could be that at some point, the carb jets
> were changed out in the Motorcraft 2150 to compensate for altitude,
> and whoever did it went too far leaning it out. Could that be it?

Maybe it's not leaned out enough. There are two reasons you get
detonation, something in the cylinders gets hot enough to pre-ignite
the fuel after compression heats it up enough which lean mixtures
tend to do or the mixture is too rich for the timing setting. Since
zero should allow some pretty rich mixtures, all other things being
normal, he may have timed the cam wrong when he put it together which
would explain the significant spark retard

> Since both problems (pinging and dieseling) were pretty bad, even
> with cooler heat range plugs and the base timing way retarded, I'm
> still thinking of carbon deposits accumulated in the head. Has
> anyone ever had this problem in an M-block?

You could actually have some buildup. Modern engines (due to lean
burn) driven daily long enough to warm them up don't usually get that
kind of build up in them but I suppose it's possible.

All the M blocks I've had tended to knock some under load at low rpms
including the bronco I have now. I think It may be a poor combustion
chamber design coupled with the lean burn technology but it sounds
like yours in more severe than normal. Does your system have a vac
on it? The vac may be sticking so you don't get the proper retard
under load. This happened to me shortly after I got the bronco and
it was nearly un-drivable. I sprayed it with wd40 and worked the
plates till it loosened up and it's been fine since.

Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:12:02 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Dupont Imron

> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:15:26 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Jason K. Schechner"
> Subject: Re: Dupont Imron

> What would you all recommend I do about sealing the metal once I've
> blasted/welded/bondo'd since I won't be able to do the real painting
> until Spring?

If it's that much of a concern, why not just spray a coat of cheap
spary paint of a compatible type with the Imron to seal it til
spring? You can always sand it off and re-prime later right?

Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:54:42 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: intake manifolds

From: Stu Varner
> Jim Dove up in Columbia Station Ohio bought all of the old FE
>casting equipment and produces basically everything in aluminum....he is
>also very expensive. They are the finest FE parts known to mankind!!
>
>The 4V low riser intake you are looking from him ( part No. DOVE-9424-c-a
>) made in aluminum and from the original factory molds, Are you sittin?
>$575.00 If I had about $6100.oo I'd let the man build me 390 that spits
>out 450 HP. He calls this his Budget econo motor. I think he has no
>concept of my budget!

Nor my budget. Sitting didn't offer adequate ground clearance for that
intake or Budget econo motor price. With all the talk of DOVE parts I'm sure
they are top of the line. My truck is far from top of the line so stock will
have to do. Thank you for the information Stu. Though a $600. intake is out
of my begging the wife range, it's good to know.

>But since I am not independently wealthy because I have taken a vow of
>poverty as a teacher, I will never even be allowed to see one let alone
>stuff one in my truck!!

Wealth can not be measured in silver and gold. Teaching young minds to...
OK, so your poor. Why try and BS you on top of it! :)

>So sad! Power for the priveledged.......reckon I
>need to have my mother-in-law start giving my wife her inheitance a little
>early.........

I had another plan to get my wives early inheitance. :)
Later!



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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:08:24 -0800
From: Brian Koss
Subject: Carb/ignition question

I have a "69" 351w with a ford holley list #4698 which is a 600cfm vac
secondary factory carb for the 302/390 motors. The truck backfired on start
up then procedeed to run rich.I drove it for a couple weeks but the gas
millkage was noticably worse. I replaced the power valve and put the carb
back on. On cranking it would back fire through the carb. I put a 4160 carb
that I have and it did the same thing. In the mean time I took the other
carb apart and replaced the power valve again. Put it on the truck and
cranked and it backfired again. I did not have the vacum advance hose
hooked up to the carb. It shouldn't have made any difference but I thought
I had nothing to loose. I connected the hose, turned the key and it started
as though nothing was ever wrong. I haven't a clue whats going on. When I
can get some time I am going to investigate with a vacuum gauge. Any Ideas?
I've got the timing set to 10 BTDC. Assuming the balancer/timing marks is
the right one for the motor. I bought the truck with the motor rebuilt so I
don't know what the internals are. There aren't many cam sellections for
the 351. It looks like he bought a summit package. Offenhauser manifold,
holley 4160 carb and probably the 260 duration 478/478 cam which seam to be
the standard.

1966 F100 4x4
1968 1/2 CJ Mustang

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:07:56 EST
From: Brazzadog
Subject: Highboy

Sorry if this is old news, but I'm in digest mode and am keeping up the best I
can. The Highboy was no longer available in '78. Apparently it was felt that
the high step in height was driving away customers. I believe my '78 is 2"
lower than what a Highboy would have been. The implication here is that the
Highboy package was standard and not optional. It could be that it only
applied to 3/4 and 1 tons (4x4 of course) and that the 1/2 tons were "normal"
height.

Ben

It was written:

>Actual it is a FORD truck term. They sold a "highboy" model with a factory
>lift above the normal four wheel drive model. It was an option that was
>availible in the seventies( up to 76 I think?).

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:16:21 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: Door problems...

>I know about the Hot Rodders term ( don't really know what it means ether )
but
>I felt it probably was not referring to the same condition.
>You are probably correct about being raised ETC.
>
>See ya!!!
>
>Dana

Don't " " me on this but, I think in Hot Rods a Highboy had the fenders
and running boards removed and a Lowboy had full fenders and running boards.
I'm sure if this is incorrect, someone that knows will correct me. They
always do. :)
Now that we know that a Ford Highboy is a mid '70s F250/350 sp.ed. 4X4.
I was wondering if after building the first one they stood back and said
"That's high boy" and the name stuck. :)


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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:25:46 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Bucket Seats

Has anyone tried using Bronco II Buckets seat in their F100's ??




Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.netvalue.net/herbie

Mesa, AZ

1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi
5-Speed.

1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.

1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, Camper Special, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long
Box, Style Side.

1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Model 1100 1bbl carb, Oil Bath Air
Cleaner,

Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.

My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two
Wheels!"




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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:28:52 -0600
From: Jamey Moss
Subject: Re: 351M Pinging & Dieseling

danadeb pacbell.net wrote:

> In case you have never tried, this is supposed to stop a dieseling
> engine: after you turn off the key and while it is dieseling push the
> gas pedal to the floor and hold it there the engine should stop.
>
> Don't know if it works but I read it somewhere!

Another thing that worked to stop the dieseling on my '72 with a 390 was to
leave it in Drive while turning the key off, then placing it in Park after it
was off. I don't know if that would do any damage to the transmission or not,
but it sure stopped the _extensive_ dieseling that would occur when I turned
the key off while it was in Park.

The dieseling eventually went away, but I'm not sure why. The only things I
did were switching to a different brand of gas, rebuilding the carburetor, and
changing the plugs & wires (same heat range).

The time frame for all of this was when regular leaded fuel was being phased
out, and I had to switch to unleaded (all those "Regular" signs at gas
stations changed their meaning and confused me for a while). I don't know if
switching from leaded to unleaded caused it to diesel or if I had other problems.


Jamey Moss ra4001 email.sps.mot.com

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:02:28 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: Marko 410

>I'm thinking of bluiding a 410 engine for my 75 F100 4x4. I'm looking for a
>engine that builds low end power. Do you think this is the engine for me? I
>hope you can help me with this one.
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Well, I haven't run my 410 yet, it's still being built. Both the 410 and
428 are good choices but the 410 is a bit more unique. Parts are also easy
to get and you probly will not pay a premium for a junker 410 engine. The
410 produces 444 ft lbs of torque at 2300 rpm, the 428 about 460 or 465 ft
lbs. These are whopping numbers. The 410 uses the same piston as a late
model 390, so new pistons are plentiful and available cheaply. The only two
things different on a 410 from a 390 are really the crank and the balancing
of the crank assembly, external not internal. This is no problem for a shop
to do, and is inexpensive.
You should look for a 66 or a 67 mercury stationwagon or big land yacht.
They came with 410s or 428s. Since the 428 was supposedly a bit of a sports
engine, the person with the 410 would be more 'economical' (yeah right)
minded and so may be expected to drive the thing somewhat easier. The 410
also came with the very rare and much-lauded small-bore Autolite 4100 4bbl,
which Pony Carburetors calls the finest carburetor made by anybody. They
are a snap to rebuild and unlike other carburetors are apparently engineered
very well. And they are worth some $$. Plus, the 410 has these really cool
valve covers with "mercury" and a lighning bolt stamped into them. I paid
$400 cdn (about five bucks in your country) for the whole 66 wagon i got the
engine out of, and I junked the C6. Finally, if the 410 requires boring,
you'll have way more cylinder wall left to play with than if you start with
a 428 block.

good luck.

marko

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:47:51 -0600
From: "Terry Sherman"
Subject: Tried, true, and Ford Blue?

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Mesa, AZ=20
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, Camper Special, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, =
Long Box, Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Model 1100 1bbl carb, Oil =
Bath Air Cleaner,=20
Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two =
Wheels!"


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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:36:19 EST
From: ECampb5214
Subject: F-Series kicks _ss

Hello Everyone

Go out and get the current issue of Popular Mechanics Mag. there is a good
sized article of the history of our beloved trucks in it.

See ya all later Ethan

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:55:12 EST
From: BADFORD4x4
Subject: Re: Bucket Seats

never tried bronco buckets but i hear 92 escort seats bolt in and look good.

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:32:01 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Re: Door Problems

>Actual it is a FORD truck term. They sold a "highboy" model with a factory
>lift above the normal four wheel drive model. It was an option that was
>available in the seventies( up to 76 I think?).

Around here "Highboy" was used to refer to any 3/4ton 4wd truck of the 73-79
vintage because they sat very high in stock form. I don't know if Ford ever
used the term or not, I've never seen it in any Ford literature. This may
be a "regional term"......don't know for sure.

later,
Dale Carmine
'79 F-150 351M
York, Nebraska

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:57:37 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Re: 351M Pinging and Dieseling

> The dieseling is pretty bad w/ low octane, too, w/ at least 3 or 4
>"chugs" after the key is switched off.
>I have the base timing advanced just 2 degrees from factory spec (12 BTDC
>now), but that can't be so much that it causes the pinging (can it?).
>Seemed like it pinged pretty bad even when the timing was way retarded from
>spec (0 TDC).

Hi Dave,

Sounds like the perfect excuse to pull it apart and decarbon the heads. And
since you're going to have to take it apart anyways you might as well slip
in a 400 crank, bump the CR a little, a good torque building cam, etc.
etc........... ;-)

seriously, I don't think it's carboned up. If it was just carboned up
then retarding the timing should make the ping go away. (I've heard that a
compression check can reveal a carboned engine but I've never actually seen
one higher than normal) . Sounds to me like you are losing control of the
ignition point, something is getting really hot and causing pre-ignition,
I'd look at the carb mixture as the most likely culprit, as someone else
already suggested. Try running it on the choke to see if that makes any
difference. Good luck!

later,
Dale Carmine
'79 F-150 351M
York, Nebraska

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:10:12 EST
From: BADFORD4x4
Subject: Re: Door Problems

There is two differant heights in the 70's, the highboy is referred to by
ford. The difference is that the highboy had 3 inches of lift over the stock
trucks. The highboy was only in the 250 models.

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 16:27:00 -0800
From: Adam Clever
Subject: Re: 351M Pinging and Dieseling

>Sounds like the perfect excuse to pull it apart and decarbon the heads.
And
>since you're going to have to take it apart anyways you might as well slip
>in a 400 crank, bump the CR a little, a good torque building cam, etc.
>etc........... ;-)

I did that, my excuse was a disintegrated rod bearing. I highly recommend
it--rebuild, not blowing a bearing ...

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:00:14 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: Door Problems

Can we rename this thread already?! Unless the door problems are reaching
the door handle on a highboy!!!


marko in vancouver

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:14:05 EST
From: BADFORD4x4
Subject: Re: 351M Pinging and Dieseling

The truck will ping even when its just 2 degrees out when there is other
problems like carb in need of proper adjustment. Check you idle and maybe
bring it down alittle it and then readjust your timing. Also if you have put
a new engine in and used a radical cam you might have to go in and degree your
cam.

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:38:17 EST
From: BULL229
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #35

If anyone needs to buy a stroker, email me directly, I have a lot of
experience with these, and between myself and a buddy of mine, we can supply
you with all you need.

As far as a 460 vs a stroker 454, the FE is far stronger, especially due to
the cross bolted mains, but nothing runs like one, not even a 460

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:35:46 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Highboy

Your mailer sent this to the wrong address:
owner-fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net

Send it to:
fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net

Thanks,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

At 11:57 AM 1/23/98 -0800, you wrote:
>'77 was the year they changed from the "High Boy" to the "Low Boy" '77 1/2
>4x4s are "Low Boys" They basically changed the arch on the front springs
>from positive to negative. I believe the "upside down" pumpkin you're
>talking about is the reverse cut with the pinion on the top. Both the Dana
>44s and the Dana 60s were/are available in this configuration. It's primary
>advantage is the ability to sustain more severe driveline angles. In other
>words I think the pumpkin was the effect rather than the cause of the
>suspension set up.
>
>----------
>> From: am14 chrysler.com
>> To: Fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
>> Subject: Highboy
>> Date: Friday, January 23, 1998 11:07 AM
>>
>> I thought it was for those 4X4's built with the front 'pumpkin' upside
>> down (drive shaft yoke was at the top - not the bottom) and the front
>> springs were set and arched higher to clear the drive
>> shaft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is definately 2 different heights fo
>> 4X4's in '77 Fi50's.
>>
>
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:45:56 EST
From: GMPACHECO
Subject: bot a van

I purchased a van for $50 from work its a 87', supposedly all that is wrong is
a blown head gasket, I have 2 questions........


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