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fordtrucks61-79-digest Tuesday, January 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 029



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In this issue:

'66 F150 Carb trouble ["Robert B." ]
Re: Not so High End Audio [Pengy67 ]
Re: Calling Ford Chemists - Vinegar? ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: Calling Ford Chemists - Vinegar? [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: stereo review [mr spock ]
Re: stereo review [dchez juno.com]
Re: '66 F150 Carb trouble [dchez juno.com]
post to DIN stereo [Adam Clever ]
Air Snorkel Assembly ["Hogan, Tom" ]
FW: Parting out 1978 F250 [Adam Clever ]
C6 REBUILDING [Sleddog ]
Re: stereo review [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Re: Not so High End Audio ["John May" ]
Re: stereo review [GMPACHECO ]
Re: Looking for Ford T750 (1965) parts [mcat epix.net]
F100 Nationals Booth [Ken Payne ]
On board air [sdelanty sonic.net]
C6 slipping out of gear ["James R. Torley" ]
1st Anniversary Chat [Ken Payne ]
Rear Brakes Part 2 [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: stereo review ["Daniel H. Jenkins" ]

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:06:07 +0000
From: "Robert B."
Subject: '66 F150 Carb trouble

hi,
I have a '66 F150, 390, 2bbl, manual choke, 4 spd (granny), manual
brakes that I am having trouble getting to run right (read as good).

When I bought the truck, it ran rough, the idle had to be set up
around 12-1500 just so it wouldn't die when you stop. It turns
out this was required because one of the idle jets was totally
plugged. you could turn the idle adjustment screw all the way in or
completely out of the carb (no leakage) with no change in how it
ran. we tried carburetor cleaner and compressed air but it didn't
change.
I drove it like this for about 8 months and decided that it was time
for some help.

I picked up a carb at a car swap meet. (this one had a tag so I
could get a kit!) I rebuilt the new one and the truck ran a little
better. at least I was able to set the idle now. But it still ran
rough and would pop back up to the carb erratically.
I checked the cap and rotor and I was able to pop off the carbon on
the terminals, so I got a new cap and rotor set. I didn't change
the points at this time, cause they looked pretty good. I fired it
up and it was better, but it still popped back now and then.
I put in a new set of points and that also helped a little. Then I
checked the plugs, and discovered one that was wet with oil, and one
that was completely PACKED with carbon. I don't know if this one
ever fired! the other 6 looked pretty good. [This engine has a
lot of blow-by, you can see oil in the air coming out of the breather
on the valve cover.] I swapped in some new plugs and it quit
popping and seemed to be all better, but gradually over the next
week-and-a-half the performance deteriorated.
It will still idle fine. but while warm (normal) it seems to run
lean. with the choke pushed in (open) it will hiccup, but if you
pull back on the choke, like less than 1/2 inch, it will smooth out
and behave decently.
This is symptomatic of a vacuum leak, I sprayed carb cleaner at the
base of the carburetor, and noticed NO change. The Vacuum line to
the carburetor is all steel.
I think that I am getting around *8* MPG. I don't know if this is
right or not. I know that I can get 13-15 MPG out of my 1966
Galaxie [352 4bbl auto] I would expect that the 2bbl would get better
mileage, although if you consider the air drag differences between the
two, maybe they should be similar.

Question: (finally) is it possible that all of that popping back
created a small vacuum leak in the carb base gaskets, or somewhere
else, that I wasn't able to detect? or I have heard of people with
their Holly carburetors having the jets getting screwed up when the
engine pops back, is the old autolite 2bbl carb as seseptable to
that?


any information/ideas would be appreciated. feel free to
CC:trebor dogday.net to ensure that I get your reply.

Thanks Rob =8)
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:44:59 EST
From: Pengy67
Subject: Re: Not so High End Audio

Ethan -

You can try the Probe Audio FAQ page -
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.webcentrix.net/probe/audio/audio.html

I had it bookmarked (had to call home to get the address), but haven't had a
chance to see if they have the wiring diagrams you need. If it doesn't have
the info, e-mail me back the year Probe you got it out of and I'll ask on the
Probe mailing list. HTH!

Fred
64 F250
93 Probe GT

In a message dated 98-01-17 23:33:56 EST, you write:


Date: 98-01-17 23:33:56 EST
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Hello Everyone

I recently recieved a radio out of a friend brand new Probe, and i would like
to install it in my 75 F- 250. But there is a major wiring proble it was a 7
wire plug that goes in the radio ( along but excluding the 8 wire s for the
speakers ) and the truck has a 2 wire setup. Please if you have any idea how
to wire this radio please send me the stats
Thanks
Ethan
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:20:03 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: Calling Ford Chemists - Vinegar?

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> From: sdelanty sonic.net
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Calling Ford Chemists - Vinegar?
> Date: Sunday, January 18, 1998 6:57 PM
>
> The only Ford parts I would wanna soak in it are non-metallic ones.

I don't think that cast iron would be very likely to be dissolved by a 5%
solution on acetic acid. Aluminum OTOH might be a little more dicey.

> > I have several thermostat housings in a can of vinegar right now, and
it's
> >bubbling away having a fine time. But what's happening? Will they just
> >melt?
> Yes, eventually.

Sometime next millennium ;-)

> The bubbles are mostly hydrogen and oxygan.
>
> >Will it take the paint off, too (only flecks are left)?
>
> I suppose when the metal under the paint disintegrates, the paint will
> come off.

Don't forget that in an acid/base reaction the acid is neutralized by the
base to yield salt and water. It doesn't take alot to neutralize a 5%
solution.
>
> Why, You've made a fine "coffee can" battery my good man!
> You've got a zinc plated can for one electrode, the copper pellet in
> the thermostat for another electrode, and a nice acetic acid solution
> for the electrolyte! If You could measure it, the coffee can battery
> is giving off a small amount of heat of it's own, consuming it's
electrodes
> as a trade-off in the process. Copper and zinc, copper and nickel, and a
whole
> large variety of dis-similar metals in an acid will consume themselves
> away making electricity...

The post says housings, not thermostats so I don't think he has created a
battery.

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:12:57 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: Calling Ford Chemists - Vinegar?

>> Cut an orange in half, and stick a penny and a nickel into it and You can
>> do the same thing. (citric acid)

> My 11 year old son Nick says thank you Steve. We just tried it and it
>worked. :) He needed a science project for school and now he has one. Of
>course if he loses my multimeter I'm not going to be a happy camper. :)

Nick is quite welcome! If You've got a lot of oranges and a BIG pocketful
of change, You can actually run a tiny lightbulb or LED!
What did You get from Your battery? About 1/2 volt?
I'm sure the coffee can/Ford truck thermostat/vinegar battery is more
powerful, because the electrode area is larger and the acid is stronger...

>Thanks, that was a fun little experiment to do with him. So what's next Mr.
>Wizard? :)
>
>Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net

Uhhh, sorry. Most of the chemical experiments I know aren't generally
suitable for 11 year olds...


Steve

"Ok. Anything for a weird life."
-- Zaphod Beeblebrox

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:35:23 -0700
From: mr spock
Subject: Re: stereo review

Could someone explain a bit about how to adapt one of the DIN sized
stereo head units to our shaft-style dash openings? I imagine it
involves cutting to fit the shape of the unit, but how about securely
attaching it? A CD player doesn't like to be bounced around too much.

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:34:09 -0500
From: dchez juno.com
Subject: Re: stereo review

On Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:35:23 -0700 mr spock
writes:
>Could someone explain a bit about how to adapt one of the DIN sized
>stereo head units to our shaft-style dash openings? I imagine it
>involves cutting to fit the shape of the unit, but how about securely
>attaching it? A CD player doesn't like to be bounced around too much.

I was also wondering, how many of you out there are using CD players in
your trucks as opposed to tape decks. The tape deck in mine just died
and since most of the music I've bought in recent years has been on CD, I
as considering installing a CD player, but was afraid the rough ride of
the truck might cause a lot of skipping. If anyone is using a CD player,
did you do anything special to insulate the unit to avoid skipping?

Dave Sanchez
dchez juno.com

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:51:17 -0500
From: dchez juno.com
Subject: Re: '66 F150 Carb trouble

On Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:06:07 +0000 "Robert B."
writes:
>hi,
> I have a '66 F150, 390, 2bbl, manual choke, 4 spd (granny),
>manual
>brakes that I am having trouble getting to run right (read as good).

Robert,

My truck has a 4bbl Holley, but my mustang has the autolite 2100 carb and
I have found it to be one of the most trouble free carbs ever. In fact,
when I bout the mustang, it had a holley 2bbl and I had lots of problems
with it, so I took the autolite 2bbl from a parts car that I had and put
it on my car. With the exception of a minor adjustment each spring when
I tune up the car, I haven't had to touch a thing on it in the 7 years
I've been using it.
I would suspect that if your carb has been rebuilt and otherwise appears
to be operating correctly, your problems probably lie elsewhere. If your
truck is burning enough oil to foul the spark plugs very quickly you
might want to try using a special spark plug that is designed to fire in
oil. A friend of mine used them on a p*ntiac he used to own and it
seemed to help. These might help for a while, but in the long run, it
looks like you will need to tear down the engine for a rebuild:-(

Dave Sanchez
dchez juno.com

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 11:10:00 -0800
From: Adam Clever
Subject: post to DIN stereo


stereo head units to our shaft-style dash openings? I imagine it>>

I think you can't 'adapt.' the stock width of the original stereo 'bracket'
in my '79 bronco was only 1/4" wider than the DIN chassis--cut a square hole
in that and it'd flex all over until it fell apart.

My answer was to carefully measure and create a new bracket out of sheet
metal that supported the stereo and the heater controls--replacing the
original unit. Easy for me, I just have to ask my company's sheet metal
shop foreman to make me one. Look in the yellow pages for a shop, I'd guess
they could make you one for $30--from your complete and accurate pattern.

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:01:18 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: Air Snorkel Assembly

Anyone see a snorkel assembly for a 390FE air cleaner in a catalog from
an old parts supplier? The thermostat in mine is bad and the old owner
removed the spring to leave the door open :0(. The Ford dealer said
it's obsolete. I have a 4 barrel Holley so maybe I could adapt a later
model air cleaner with the vacuum operated air door.

Tom H
San Francisco, California
76 F-150 SuperCab 390FE
96 Windstar 200 hp 3.8L (Wife's Hot Rod)

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 11:35:00 -0800
From: Adam Clever
Subject: FW: Parting out 1978 F250

how much for the whole thing?
----------
From: Chekerdpst
To: adamc; 'mail uucp '
Subject: Parting out 1978 F250
Date: Friday, January 16, 1998 11:47p

My sister's boyfriend is parting his truck after a front end collision.
Frame
is twisted, nose is toast. Driveline is 400M? (he says 400 big block??),
T-18
4-speed (assuming-it has granny low) , Dana 60 (I think-8 bolts, big drums,
non-LSD).
The bed is pretty good, glass is good, doors, rear bumper, and interior are
good. Dual tanks. Cheap stuff-he needs some cash. He is located in Lyman,
Washington, about 15 miles east of Mt.Vernon, 90 miles north of Seattle.
Let
me know

Darren


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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:38:24 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: C6 REBUILDING

hello list members,

for everyone who really wants to get their hands dirty in their C6 tranny,
there is a good article on rebuilding this trans in the february issue of
Mustangs & Fords, peterson publishing company.

there are alot of photos and usable information. there seem to be alot of
questions here concerning this tranny, so check it out if you are in need.

there is also a buildup on a big cube 460 for any big block horse power
nuts (such as myself!!) looking to build 800 -streetable- ponies
(clydsdales?) under the hood!

sleddog

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:59:18 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: stereo review

>I was also wondering, how many of you out there are using CD players in
>your trucks as opposed to tape decks. The tape deck in mine just died
>and since most of the music I've bought in recent years has been on CD, I
>as considering installing a CD player, but was afraid the rough ride of
>the truck might cause a lot of skipping. If anyone is using a CD player,
>did you do anything special to insulate the unit to avoid skipping?
>

Dave,

I use a Pioneer CD player. It does NOT skip. I have a 71 F250 4x4 with
rock hard suspension and I drive it up and down logging roads, and still no
problem.

You will be very happy with the quality and sound of a Pioneer unit. I have
had others including Clarion before and they are not very good compared to
the Pioneer. The Pioneer is not expensive either.


marko in vancouver

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:01:01 -0600
From: "John May"
Subject: Re: Not so High End Audio

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I've been lurking for about a month and this is the first time =
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Whitney for my 71 F100 swb. I bought the truck the first of October for =
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to gettin' it in. It's gonna be a Sony receiver/tape deck and a 10 disc =
changer in the glove box. I plan on keeping this truck for a long time =
and it's gotta have tunes!! If anyones' interested in the truck, just =
ask me. I love talking about it.

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John May

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:10:35 EST
From: GMPACHECO
Subject: Re: stereo review

My CD doesn't skip at all, its a alpine and they didn't have to cut anything
out.. fit right in...I had Car Toys install it, they did a great job, looks
like a factory install

Mike in Seattle

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 19:50:59 PST
From: mcat epix.net
Subject: Re: Looking for Ford T750 (1965) parts

Gilles,
Finaly got to the truck yard saturday, two of the trucks I looked at
had the grill pieces but were rusty on the bottom edges. I still have
several trucks to look at and will try to get back there as the weather
permits. This yard is quite large and takes awhile to walk.
Garry
- --- On Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:06:21 +0100 Gilles Hemberg
wrote:

>Hi Garry,
>
>> When you say wings, do you mean the fender extentions between the main
>>fender and the running board or the piece between the cab and the
running
>>boards? I have access to a truck yard that has T750s in it of that
>>vintage, and might be able to help.
>
>I am looking for the following parts:
>
>-----
>* the front parts of the bodywork where the front-lights are placed in.
It
>should consist of 3 parts: left- & right-side parts and a center piece. I
>need the left- and right-side parts (catalog numbers: C1TZ-8150-B and
>C1TZ-8151-B).
>
>* a part from within the engine: a protective shield behind the rotator
for
>radiator (catalog number: C4TZ-8146-D (SHROUD)).
>-----
>
>
>I can only use the parts if they are not rusted through (ie. if there
aren't
>any holes in it). It doesn't matter if they are rusted only
superficially:
>we can fix that.
>
>
>The bodywork number of our truck is: T75KU720372 (model T753; body 481);
>built in 1965. I am sorry I talked about "wings", but the parts are for my
>father who is trying to rebuild this truck (it is still in use) and I
>misinterpreted his sayings (I am not a native English speaker either).
>
>If you are still prepared to go over there and look into the trucks for
>them, could you tell us how we should pay you, how you would send it, etc?
>We would be VERY thankful to you since we haven't managed to locate any
>other such truck on the internet so far. This truck is the first one my
>father's firm bought and we would really like to keep it going for a very
>long time.
>
>Again: thank you,
>Bye!
>
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Name: Garry
E-mail: mcat epix.net
Date: 1/19/98 Time: 7:50:59 PM

427 Fe powered 56 F-100 Wild by design
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:12:56 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: F100 Nationals Booth

Good News!

Peggy and I have been able to get a booth at the Pigeon Forge
F100 Nationals this May! We're organizing a group picnic and
we need to get an idea of how many people plan on being there.
Event information is on the web site. If you plan on being
at this show (which is the largest F-series show) let us know
so we can get a guesstimated head count for a picnic site.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:16:53 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: On board air

Well, I've been thinking (again) about getting an air compressor on
the F100 lately, and aquired a York A/C compressor last weekend and
may try to install it next weekend...

Don Grossman! Are You out there?

What did You use for an intake air filter on Your compressor?

Are You still using the refrigeration compressor oil in Your York, or
did You refill it with regular dino oil?

Have You used Your compressor much Yet?

Have You had any trouble with it blowing any oil out of the pump into
the air tank and lines?

I'm trying to decide whether to use the compressor as is, or modify it
to have a closed, but vented crankcase like a regular air compressor...

Thanks,

Steve

"Ok. Anything for a weird life."
-- Zaphod Beeblebrox

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:27:30 -0700
From: "James R. Torley"
Subject: C6 slipping out of gear

>My son has a 1978 F-250 (2X4) with a 460 and C-6 tranny. A recently
occurring problem is that when he puts the truck in reverse the gearshift
(sometimes) will jump into neutral or drive. Any suggestions as to the
reason??
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>Jim

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:17:46 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: 1st Anniversary Chat

The chat session last night was lively. I appreciate it!

Found out that there's definately some problems getting
on for some people... I'm working on it.

Ken

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:19:22 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Rear Brakes Part 2

Well I went back to the wrecking yard to yell at them for giving me the wrong
hub. Good thing I am nice by nature because they showed me 4 hubs that were all
for my application ( various years though ) and sure enough they were all the
same as the hub they sold me which is the same as the hub on my truck. boy I
can't wait to get back the the brake store ( not so nice there That's for
sure!!!!) I called 3 parts stores and sure enough there is only one bearing for
the application ( A38 ) it ts the same for inner and outer and sure enough it
fits the hub perfect. I don't know what the brake store was thinking, but I bet
they don't want me back after I "supervise" the installation of the hub and
demand a "Hassle Factor" discount.

Thanks for letting me rant!!!

Dana

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:09:55 -0800 (PST)
From: "Daniel H. Jenkins"
Subject: Re: stereo review

Well, I've installed a DIN type radio in the dash on my 1977....

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