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fordtrucks61-79-digest Saturday, January 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 026



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In this issue:

Re: Synthetic Oils, PZL [Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)]
Distinguishing 360/390 [am14 chrysler.com]
C-6 [am14 chrysler.com]
Re: 360/390 ?? [Tyler Wilkins ]
C6 [am14 chrysler.com]
Re:Headers and starters [BDIJXS ]
Distinguishing 360/390 [dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)]
Re: Distinguishing 360/390 [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
C6? [ECampb5214 ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #25 [Chezpip ]
Re: C6? ["Deacon" ]
Re: Distinguishing 360/390 [Jim Henjum ]
Re: C6? [SAR HOG ]
Re: C6? [danadeb pacbell.net]
1962 Tbird 390 and trans ["J. A. Knapper" ]
Re: 1962 Tbird 390 and trans [marko ]
Parting out 1978 F250 [Chekerdpst ]
ADMIN: 1st Anniversary of Ford Truck Enthusiasts [Ken Payne
Re: C6? ["Deacon" ]

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 04:31:01 -0800
From: Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)
Subject: Re: Synthetic Oils, PZL

I started to have the symptoms of worn tranny in one of my
'other' vehicles. I contacted RedLine Oil and they recommended
a non-slip gear oil to assist the gears in doing their thing while
reducing the tendency to crash gears. It seems to work,
or maybe I'm getting better at the shift points.
Red Line Oil treated me well, very knowledgable.

Redline Oil is at:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.redlineoil.com/
Red Line Synthetic Oil Corporation
Benicia, California 94510
(800)624-7958
Call them and talk on the phone, nice folks. They were
able to find my vehicle in their book and discuss my
needs intelligently.

- - Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab

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>What do you think of redline synthetics? I think I am going to try
them.
>They have oil, trans fluid and differential fluid(all synthetics)! Read
>an article when a tuner company used it in most of there applications
>and gained 3-5 hp just changing to them.

I read an article in 5.0. They tested Redline Water wetter, engine oil,
trans fluid and gear oil at Ken Bell. They came up with remarkable
results.
More hp, cooler temps. Redline has a webpage (sorry, I don't have the
URL)
with a lot of information on their products.

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:54:14 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Distinguishing 360/390

Dave: If theres a way to distinguish externally, I don't know it.
I've always had to break them down and measure the stroke. You can
take a piston out and look at the side by the wristpin hole and it will
be stamped 360 or 390 right on it.

>>I was just curios, with all this talk about the differences between
the
360 and the 390. How can you tell the difference between the two
externally?

Azie

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:02:20 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: C-6

The original FOMOCO application for this type of output from a C-6 was
with 4X4's that had divorced transfercase. (I think). At least this is
the only place I've ever seen it and know that its a factory
installation.

>>The C6 in my truck has a bolt on yoke.

Azie

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:25:15 -0600
From: Tyler Wilkins
Subject: Re: 360/390 ??

> N. Minneapolis $1100 negotionable

Can you get me a run-down of it? (A good complete description)

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:25:06 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: C6

Don: (1) You must mean the driveshaft has a double U-joint at the yoke
going into the transmission. (2) Doubt you'll see any difference
between mileage of a 360 and a 460 as long as your driving habits
remain the same. The 460 will however take a much higher (lower
numerically) rear end ratio and still have more power than the 360..

>>The Lincoln trans has CV joints instead of regular universal joints
like the truck. If they are the same it just makes the swap that much
easier.

What is a good auxillary gas tank to use for the 71 F-100? I want to
install one or two auxillary tanks to add a little distance between
stops
for fuel. The 360 is horrible on fuel and I can only imagine that the
460
is going to be worse.


Azie

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:55:46 EST
From: BDIJXS
Subject: Re:Headers and starters

Hey guys,

I've had a 69' F-100 for almost 20 years now, and I have been running Cyclone
headers for about 17 years (on my second set now). One thing about the
Cyclones is that they come apart at the collecter, meaning you don't have to
lift the engine at all to put them in. The two front tubes (cylinders 1 and 2)
slip out of the collectors. I admit they leak a little bit there, but they
seem to work. I really never have had ANY starter problems all these
years....

Let me know if you want more info..

Jeff
bdijxs aol.com

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:21:00 -0500
From: dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)
Subject: Distinguishing 360/390

- -> I've always had to break them down and measure the stroke. You can
- -> take a piston out and look at the side by the wristpin hole and it
- -> will be stamped 360 or 390 right on it.

A friend of mine worked at a commercial rebuilder for years before
starting his own shop, and he still does an FE every few weeks. He said
he's never found a consistent, reliable way to tell a 360 from a 390
without popping a head and measuring.

====dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us========================DoD#978=======
can you help me...help me get out of this place?...slow sedation...
ain't my style, ain't my pace...giving me a number...NINE, SEVEN, EIGHT
==5.0 RX7 -> Tyrannosaurus RX! == SAE '82 == Denizens of Doom M/C '92==


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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:17:14 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: Distinguishing 360/390

>
>-> I've always had to break them down and measure the stroke. You can
>-> take a piston out and look at the side by the wristpin hole and it
>-> will be stamped 360 or 390 right on it.
>
> A friend of mine worked at a commercial rebuilder for years before
>starting his own shop, and he still does an FE every few weeks. He said
>he's never found a consistent, reliable way to tell a 360 from a 390
>without popping a head and measuring.
>

Unless you want to drop the pan. If you know it's one of the two, you can
tell by the slipper skirt on the 390 piston vs. the full skirt on the 360.
But if you don't have a 4x4 I could see why you wouldn't want to check that
way...


marko

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:31:44 EST
From: ECampb5214
Subject: C6?

Helloo

How can i tell if i got a C6?

cause i got a reman something?

Thanks
Ethan 16

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:46:18 EST
From: Chezpip
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #25

Anyone have an old camper shell they'd be willing to part with... I live near
pasadena and will come get it. i have up to 200 bucks if there is the "right
one out there". i have a full size '72 F250. please e'mail me if you know
who has one... thanks to anyone who responds!!! Phillip

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:01:41 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: C6?

>Helloo
>
>How can i tell if i got a C6?
>
>
>Thanks
> Ethan 16

If your truck is still stock give us the trans code and vin# on the
drivers door, also the year and model of the truck. Other than that you can
describe the trans pan and if the trans is one unit or has a separate
bellhousing. A C6 has a separate bellhousing and the pan is almost square
except one side is indented with two bolts in the indentation.

>cause i got a reman something?

What does this mean? I'm the king of saying something meaning nothing but
this is over my head. :) We'll be able to help you with the rest of the
information. Until then reman something else! :)
Later!

P.S. Don't mind me, only one part of my anatomy is smart and it constantly
speaks it's mind! :~]


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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:38:44 -0600
From: Jim Henjum
Subject: Re: Distinguishing 360/390

I have seen 1 way to distinguish them externally. On the emissions decal on
the valve cover it might say "engine family 360-390" and then "engine
displacement 390 (or 360)". I have seen these on a couple mid '70's trucks,
and my '70 390 just has the "390 CID" on the decal. Of course, the vavle
covers could be non- original too, so then it might not mean anything. I
also had the guy at our local junkyard tell me you can tell by looking at
the back of the crank. Don't ask me how, though. Hope that maybe helps.

Ross Henjum
Sunburg, MN

'75 F250 4x4 390, C-6, 203
'78 F150 302, C-4 (engine & tranny for sale, 35k on rebuilt engine)

am14 chrysler.com wrote:

> Dave: If theres a way to distinguish externally, I don't know it.
> I've always had to break them down and measure the stroke. You can
> take a piston out and look at the side by the wristpin hole and it will
> be stamped 360 or 390 right on it.
>
> >>I was just curios, with all this talk about the differences between
> the
> 360 and the 390. How can you tell the difference between the two
> externally?
>
> Azie
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:41:44 EST
From: SAR HOG
Subject: Re: C6?

In a message dated 1/16/98 6:06:32 PM Central Standard Time, deconblu gte.net
writes:

> A C6 has a separate bellhousing and the pan is almost square
> except one side is indented with two bolts in the indentation.

My C-6 has an integral bellhousing!?!?

John Z
67 F-100 460/C-6

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:42:30 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: C6?

A C4 has a removable bell housing and is made of a non magnetizable(SP?)
material and the pan is basically square.

A C6 does not have a removable bell housing and is made of a non magnetizable
material and has an "L" shaped pan. ( basically square but with a cutout in one
of the corners)

An FMX has a removable bell housing and is made of magnetizable material. (
don't remember the pan shape )

Dana

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:24:14 -0500
From: "J. A. Knapper"
Subject: 1962 Tbird 390 and trans

A fellow at work told me of a 62 Tbird 390 and trans a friend of his has
for sale, probably wants $50 Canadian for it.I haven't seen it, but if
anyone is interested, I could check it out further. Its located about 1
hour from Niagra Falls. I know it's a car engine, but I bet it'll be
happier in a truck. I don't know what trans it is, it could be an FMX or
one of the earlier members of its family.
Marko, I'm very interested in your Merc, I had a 67 M100 as well that
my grandfather bought new, it even survived a roll-over with no broken
glass, drove it for another 5 years after. I didn't keep any pictures of
it, though. Got any of yours to share?

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:34:29 -0800
From: marko
Subject: Re: 1962 Tbird 390 and trans

At 09:24 PM 1/16/98 -0500, you wrote:
>arko, I'm very interested in your Merc, I had a 67 M100 as well that
>my grandfather bought new, it even survived a roll-over with no broken
>glass, drove it for another 5 years after. I didn't keep any pictures of
>it, though. Got any of yours to share?


As it happens I'm going out to the farm tomorrow to start tearing it down.
I am bringing a camera, so there'll be some pix to share soon. It really is
a nice looking truck the way it sits, but it'll be so much nicer when it's
done! I'd be happy to send some down to the list. I'm gonna make a photo
album of the restoration too.

Marko

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:47:59 EST
From: Chekerdpst
Subject: Parting out 1978 F250

My sister's boyfriend is parting his truck after a front end collision. Frame
is twisted, nose is toast. Driveline is 400M? (he says 400 big block??), T-18
4-speed (assuming-it has granny low) , Dana 60 (I think-8 bolts, big drums,
non-LSD).
The bed is pretty good, glass is good, doors, rear bumper, and interior are
good. Dual tanks. Cheap stuff-he needs some cash. He is located in Lyman,
Washington, about 15 miles east of Mt.Vernon, 90 miles north of Seattle. Let
me know

Darren

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:59:14 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: 1st Anniversary of Ford Truck Enthusiasts

Anniversary...
2nd week in January will be Ford Truck Enthusiast's 1st year
anniversary. I would like to invite everyone to join Peggy
and I on the chat page of the web site on Sunday, January 18th
from 8pm Eastern time to 10pm Eastern time to chat with each
other as a "net party" to celebrate. Bring your memories,
especially the members who were here early on (remember the
great Slick 50 flame war?).

Sorry about the last post saying it was Saturday. I got my
dates mixed up.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:26:30 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: C6?

>> A C6 has a separate bellhousing and the pan is almost square
>> except one side is indented with two bolts in the indentation.
>
>My C-6 has an integral bellhousing!?!?

Your right. My bad. I made a mistake OK! :)
First time in my life and 500+ people have to see it.

Thanks for correcting me John. This list isn't like fordnatics when a
person makes a mistake is it Don Grossman. :) Lucky I made mine here! The
FMX is a separate bellhousing correct?....


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