fordtrucks61-79-digest Tuesday, April 28 1998 Volume 02 : Number 234



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In this issue:

Re: "New" 460 [John MacNamara ]
Re:Truck Mileage and misc. ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: The old engine war again... ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
RE: 460 head porting - was: re: is it just me [Sleddog
RE: Fat engine wars????? [Sleddog ]
Re: Question on Fe Tear down ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: "New" 460 ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
New gas tank - anyone used the plastic ones? [Randy Dees
Re: New gas tank - anyone used the plastic ones? ["Bill Beyer"
RE: "New" 460 [Sleddog ]
Re: New gas tank - anyone used the plastic ones? ["Gary, 78 BBB"
F500...Braking News!!! [pickup65 juno.com (Jon E Purut)]
Re: New gas tank - anyone used the plastic ones? ["Gary, 78 BBB"
Re: New gas tank - anyone used the plastic ones? ["Bill Beyer"
Re: F500...Braking News!!! ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: Question on Fe Tear down [sdelanty sonic.net]
RE: "New" 460 ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: F500...Braking News!!! [Stu Varner ]
Edelbrock stuff [ballingr ldd.net (WILLIAM L BALLINGER)]
RE: "New" 460 [Sleddog ]
Re: F500...Braking News!!! ["Deacon" ]
66 300-6 intake exhaust [Tim Sherva ]
Re: F500...Braking News!!! ["Deacon" ]
Paint&Body [Jim Craig ]
Re: F500...Braking News!!! ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: Paint&Body [Dennis Pearson ]
Re: F500...Braking News!!! ["Deacon" ]

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 06:12:35 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: "New" 460

A64F100 wrote:

> Well, after being engineless for about a week, I finally bought another motor.
> After seeing all that happened to my 400, I decided I'm going to build this
> 460 the right way. I have it all apart in the garage. I'm going to get the
> block magnafluxed, the heads done and a rebuild kit for it from P.A.W. I
> looked at the block and the heads and pistons and determined that the block
> was a '71 and the heads and pistons were '73. Not being an expert on the 460, I
> have a couple questions. Are these good years to have?

Scott: Tough question to answer as it depends on what you want from this motor.
In mid 1970, Ford increased the deck height from 10.300 to 10.310 to marginally
reduce the compression of these engines. In 1972, they increased the deck height
from 10.310 to 10.322 inches to drop compression from 10.5 to 8.5. As to the
heads, the chamber volume of heads produced between 1968 and 1971 was between
74-77 cc's. In 1973 they increased the chamber volume to 89-92 cc. So you can see
that you have a 1971 block (deck height 10.310") and 73 heads with 89-92 cc
chamber volume. This isn't the most robust combination for horse power but
neither is it a slouch. Compression ratio given a stock piston is probably
somewhere in the mid 9's to 1. This is probably a good combination for the
street and today's gas. In fact, I have these same pieces and do quite well with
a Crane cam and L&L headers. Don't forget to grind down the bump in the exhaust
port. This will get you an extra 20hp or so.

Good luck with the motor!

John

78 F250 Supercab 4X4

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:39:21 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re:Truck Mileage and misc.

> From: ballingr ldd.net (WILLIAM L BALLINGER)
> Subject: Re:Truck Mileage and misc.
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:15:14 -0500

> The posts on this subject have been top-notch. I'm proud of the 13.9
> mpg I got out of my truck last week back and forth to work. It's
> geared perfectly (4.56) for around town trolling but I doubt that
> highway mileage would be any better. It turns about 2800 to 2900 at
> 60 mph. This is as good town milage as my fuel-injected 302 '83
> Grand Marquis delivered, but of course it would do 25 mpg on the
> highway. The truck weighs in at 4800 lbs, and I like to pull good
> through the gears, so what do you guys think? The Q-jet is a
> fantastic carb

The rochester is on the top of my list of improvements. There was a
rochester manifold for the FE engines but I don't know of any for any
other ford engines and the only after market one I know of for the
460 is the Offy. Anyone know of any others?

BTW, are you using an adapter on a square bore intake or a stock FE
rochester intake or did you find an aftermarket version for the FE?

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:47:40 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: The old engine war again...

> From: "Deacon"
> Subject: Re: The old engine war again...
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:04:45 -0700

> Cheeses Bill! If everyone could be funny like us, we'd loose our
> place in the world of list! It's OK Gary. Your jokes have gotten
> better in the last year. There was a time I couldn't tell your jokes
> were funny either! :)

Yeah, everyone tells my I'm as exciting as Steven Wright and my jokes
come off like Tim Taylors (or is that Al Gore) :-) My record is so
bad at home that when I accidentally catch them with a really funny
one (usually a one liner) they throw a party to cellibrate......:-(
When I try to say something cute my daughter rolls up her eyes and
shakes her head and when her friends are around she kicks me out of
my own house.........:-(

It's small consolation to know that most of her friend's fathers have
the same problem, maybe it's a generation thing??

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:59:18 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: 460 head porting - was: re: is it just me

you just did. what is it you are interested in knowing about porting the 460 head?

sleddog

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How do i get a message out about headporting on a 460 head I dont know how to
get in on chat could you please help me ????? thanks Bill Payne
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:12:46 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Fat engine wars?????

hey, when you get it finished, i have the trans for you! its an infinitly
variable non clutched valvless electro-hydraulic computerized ratio
controlled non slippper reversed yoke automatic with pushbutton commands
and an electric smooth delivery utilizing all carbon/carbon and
carbon/kevlar composites utilizing tap water instead of petroleum products.
good for your 1MHP per rev motor and a whole lot more.

:)

A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking.


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From: Chris Samuel[SMTP:fourmuelz email.msn.com]
Sent: Monday, April 27, 1998 11:38 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Fat engine wars?????

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Its going to be a Titanium/carbon fiber composite, with metal matrix cam
drive, 460 CI, high riser-side oilier, Long stroke DOHC, pent roofed canted
4 valve, double throwdown, DFI, Super-Turbocharged. variable displacement,
altitude compensating, inverted draw-threw 3 stroke design, getting 100MPG
using: Cow Magnets, Slick-50, and a Fish Carburetor, and I got some real
trick stuff but if I tell ya about it I has to kill ya! and I Kant afford
Bullets right now!
Power? well I built it on my cyber dyno and at a hundred inches of water it
made 1MHP per revolution no matter how high I tested it!
And if you are even thinking about swapping to anything else you are even
dumber then me!


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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:52:48 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Question on Fe Tear down

> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:33:58 -0400
> From: Joe DeLaurentis
> Subject: Question on Fe Tear down

> I just got started on tearing down a 1969 "390" What I found was 3
> bent pushrods????But no other signs of damage, pistons and valves
> look good..I also have scratches in the #7 cylinder wall..all other
> walls are perfect....What are my best options?????I also found a
> small metal screw down by the lifters..Caused my bent pushrods?????

Engines are engines so I'll take a crack at it Joe. Bent push rods
can come from many ugly sources including over reving, improper valve
springs for the cam application, broken springs, lost keepers, broken
or flat (broken or collapsed spring) hydraulic lifters, broken
cam..........

The scratches can be from a broken ring, carbon particle lodged in
the ring, loose wrist pin keeper or wrist pin floating out into the
cylinder etc..

Bottom line is you should take it all the way down and check the
piston/wrist pin assys on all cylinders and touch up the scratches if
they aren 't too deep with a hone and then check the springs for any
possibility of binding and probably replace the lifters if they are
hydraulic or at least thoroughly inspect them.

If the ring was broken it may mean a new piston as well because this
usually damages the ring groove.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:00:39 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: "New" 460

> From: A64F100
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:58:49 EDT
> Subject: "New" 460

> Well, after being engineless for about a week, I finally bought
> another motor. After seeing all that happened to my 400, I decided
> I'm going to build this 460 the right way. I have it all apart in
> the garage. I'm going to get the block magnafluxed, the heads done
> and a rebuild kit for it from P.A.W.

If you get mating parts which were machined by P.A.W. make sure all
the parts fit properly. I've heard some tales about thier
tolerancing that make me a bit nervous. I plan to try one of their
crank kits for my 460 soon myself but will be checking it closely
before putting it in. I hope they have a good warantee policy :-)

New parts shouldn't be a problem but reworked rods and cranks have
many places for gremlins to lurk as do align honed or bored blocks.
Seasoned blocks theoretically have no secret surprises once they have
been measured but we were told that if a block has more than 0.004"
out of roundness at the bottom of the bore with no other indications
of excessive wear that it's an indication that the core has shifted
and the block is unstable and should not be used. Has anyone else
heard this?

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:23:28 -0400
From: Randy Dees
Subject: New gas tank - anyone used the plastic ones?

I need to replace the gas tank on my 81 F100. I am currently considering one
of the plastic ones like are available from JCW; I think I can get one locally
for about the same price as steel. Anyone used one of these? I love the idea
of no more rusty tank syndrome, but haven's seen one in use and am a little
wary.

Thanks for any input!

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Randy Dees | SCA: Talorgen nei Wrguist
ASI Systems Administration | a bard, formerly known as Myrddyn
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:39:02 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: New gas tank - anyone used the plastic ones?

OEMs have been using plastic tanks for years, I had one in a 1983 D**ge
van. Never had any problems with it. I would not use one on a 4X4 which
might be subject to lots of off road use. They probably don't bend real
well!

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> From: Randy Dees
> To: Ford Trucks
> Subject: New gas tank - anyone used the plastic ones?
> Date: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 8:23 AM
>
> I need to replace the gas tank on my 81 F100. I am currently considering
one
> of the plastic ones like are available from JCW; I think I can get one
locally
> for about the same price as steel. Anyone used one of these? I love the
idea
> of no more rusty tank syndrome, but haven's seen one in use and am a
little
> wary.
>
> Thanks for any input!

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:48:05 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: "New" 460

gary,
would that be a stroker kit? or a stock crank? there are meny other
sources; ones you may not worry about so much as to the quality of their
work. especially if you want a stroker, i have a place i would recommend.

sleddog

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From: Gary, 78 BBB[SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 7:00 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: "New" 460

If you get mating parts which were machined by P.A.W. make sure all
the parts fit properly. I've heard some tales about thier
tolerancing that make me a bit nervous. I plan to try one of their
crank kits for my 460 soon myself but will be checking it closely
before putting it in. I hope they have a good warantee policy :-)
- -- Gary --





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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:46:28 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: New gas tank - anyone used the plastic ones?

> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:23:28 -0400
> From: Randy Dees
> Subject: New gas tank - anyone used the plastic ones?

> I need to replace the gas tank on my 81 F100. I am currently
> considering one of the plastic ones like are available from JCW; I
> think I can get one locally for about the same price as steel.
> Anyone used one of these? I love the idea of no more rusty tank
> syndrome, but haven's seen one in use and am a little wary.

I have one in my bronco and wouldn't have it any other way myself :-)
Less likely to fatigue, won't rust and won't wear through if allowd
to get a little loose like steel will. Polypropylene is the best
material but I think most of them are some version of vinyl so ask
about that before you buy. Either one is probably better than steel
except in a fire which is why they specify steel for race cars. In a
collision the plastic will probably hold up better than steel so it's
a trade off IMHO :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:17:12 -0400
From: pickup65 juno.com (Jon E Purut)
Subject: F500...Braking News!!!

Ok guys here is the scoop on the rear brakes for my F500. The wheel
cylinder kits are $10 each. Both sides uses two kits since there are two
cylinders per side. The brake shoes are $23 each. Now if I do my math
correctly that is $152 for the rebuild. Not too bad.

On another note we finally sold my wife's escort!!! After eight months
and little interest a used car dealer bought it from us for what we owed
on it. I am happy but I will miss that car. Sure did ride smooth and get
great gas mileage! So what is my wife going to drive now, one of my other
trucks maybe? Nope. She has her eyes on a 1969 Bronco. Do I have a great
wife or what? She likes going to junk yards, encourages me to spend money
on my projects and loves old trucks. What a wife!

We are going to test drive the bronco today. It is in good condition for
the most part. It has been jacked up and has big tires with fancy rims.
If we do get it I am going to take that stuff off of it and make it more
stock looking. We will See.

Jon E. Purut
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1964 F500 (brakes going back together)
1965 F100 SWB Daily Driver
1965 F100
1977 F150
1970 Mustang Fastback
1993 Escort Wagon (sold)
1969 Bronco?
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:51:14 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: New gas tank - anyone used the plastic ones?

> From: "Bill Beyer"
> Subject: Re: New gas tank - anyone used the plastic ones?
> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:39:02 -0700

> I would not use one on a
> 4X4 which might be subject to lots of off road use. They probably
> don't bend real well!

True but they do resist punctures better than steel and will take a
lot of scratching and compressing from twising the frame etc. better
than steel so again it may be a toss up :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:06:37 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: New gas tank - anyone used the plastic ones?

That's a good point. Hmmm...maybe they would be good for off road...

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> From: Gary, 78 BBB
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: New gas tank - anyone used the plastic ones?
> Date: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 4:51 AM
>
> True but they do resist punctures better than steel and will take a
> lot of scratching and compressing from twising the frame etc. better
> than steel so again it may be a toss up :-)
>

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:09:13 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: F500...Braking News!!!

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> From: Jon E Purut
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> Subject: F500...Braking News!!!
> Date: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 6:17 AM
>
> Ok guys here is the scoop on the rear brakes for my F500. The wheel
> cylinder kits are $10 each. Both sides uses two kits since there are two
> cylinders per side. The brake shoes are $23 each. Now if I do my math
> correctly that is $152 for the rebuild. Not too bad.
>

Well so much for F500 brakes being so expensive!

> What a wife!

Don't you mean SWMBO?

> We are going to test drive the bronco today. It is in good condition for
> the most part. It has been jacked up and has big tires with fancy rims.
> If we do get it I am going to take that stuff off of it and make it more
> stock looking. We will See.
>

Cabbages and alfalfa sprouts BEWARE!
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:07:16 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: Question on Fe Tear down

>> I just got started on tearing down a 1969 "390" What I found was 3
>> bent pushrods????

>Engines are engines so I'll take a crack at it Joe. Bent push rods
>can come from many ugly sources including over reving, improper valve
>springs for the cam application, broken springs, lost keepers, broken
>or flat (broken or collapsed spring) hydraulic lifters, broken
>cam..........

I'll add galled rockers/shafts that cause the rockers to jam up,
or valves sticking in guides due to excess varnish on the stems,
rusty valve stems (caused by motor sitting unused for a long time),
or from *overheating*. Running a motor low on water can overheat the
heads and cause valve stems and guides to expand and grab each other.
I don't suppose it was all exhaust pushrods was it?


Steve
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:21:59 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: "New" 460

> From: Sleddog
> Subject: RE: "New" 460
> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:48:05 -0400

> gary,
> would that be a stroker kit? or a stock crank? there are meny
> other sources; ones you may not worry about so much as to the
> quality of their work. especially if you want a stroker, i have a
> place i would recommend.

No stoker, just plain old stock but I want it to be right this time.
I built the first one with a slighly, hand polished used crank and
can't keep seals in the front end so I want to get it right this
time. Have you checked the price of a new sleeve lately? I guess
I'm going to have to spring for one when I rebuild. I don't like the
idea of the slip on fattener they sell to fix this problem and
welding doesn't seem to be a good option either since I'd have to
have it ground anyway. I have a powder shaft repair kit for my torch
but have never used it. It still would require grinding afterward so
I guess a new one is the only cure.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:34:04 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: F500...Braking News!!!

ASo what is my wife going to drive now, one of my other
>trucks maybe? Nope. She has her eyes on a 1969 Bronco. Do I have a great
>wife or what? She likes going to junk yards, encourages me to spend money
>on my projects and loves old trucks. What a wife!
>
She must be awesome!!!!!!!!
As Belushi would say "How much for the Wife?"

I want her to move in with me.....wanna work out a trade??
:) very big grin!! I might could come up with a 427 block!!????

Stu
Nuke GM!

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:21:58 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (WILLIAM L BALLINGER)
Subject: Edelbrock stuff

I've had good luck with Edelbrock so far. I have a Performer 390 intake on
my truck with spread-bore adapter and electric-choke Quadrajet carb. The
throttle response is fantastic. Mileage has run in the 13's which is good
for a 3/4 4X4 with 4.56 gears. I have an aftermarket cam of unknown origin
that lopes mildly, but it still makes 15.5 lbs hg of manifold vacuam when
warm. The intake of course knocks off about 50 lbs, which brings old ironman
down to about 580 lbs according to the weight charts I've seen. An all iron
351C weighs about the same so I don't consider that too bad. I've heard that
you can get a poor casting once in a while, but they back them well. I'm
curious to hear some empirical data on the heads. I reccomend not going
overboard on the cam,it's easy to lose the good part in search of the magic
HP number. Torque and good power up to 5500 is what you want in a truck. Go
much higher and you have to either spend alot or get used to breaking stuff.
It would be a slug down low too.
The Edelbrock package approach, from published reports, seem to work well
together. If you can give up a little bit on driveability off-idle the RPM
package looks good. I don't remember the exact figures but HP and TQ were
over 400. Lower gears and looser converter would probably be needed.

If you plan to push it to 5500 on up, redo the oiling system to keep more in
the bottom end. Mainly, have the main filter adapter passage drilled out to
1/2 inch and install a restrictor kit to the feeds for the rocker arms.

Luck

> How did you like the Edelbrock stuff? I have a 390 that I'm going to
>rebuilt in about a year. It currently has a 2 carb, I want it to between
>screaming and fun to drive when I get done with it


Ballinger
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:11:52 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: "New" 460

so, you really don't need a kit, just a crank. or you want all new rods, pins, pistons, etc.?

sleddog

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Subject: RE: "New" 460

No stoker, just plain old stock but I want it to be right this time.
I built the first one with a slighly, hand polished used crank and
can't keep seals in the front end so I want to get it right this
time. Have you checked the price of a new sleeve lately? I guess
I'm going to have to spring for one when I rebuild. I don't like the
idea of the slip on fattener they sell to fix this problem and
welding doesn't seem to be a good option either since I'd have to
have it ground anyway. I have a powder shaft repair kit for my torch
but have never used it. It still would require grinding afterward so
I guess a new one is the only cure.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:04:21 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: F500...Braking News!!!

From: Jon E Purut
>Ok guys here is the scoop on the rear brakes for my F500. The wheel
>cylinder kits are $10 each. Both sides uses two kits since there are
two
>cylinders per side. The brake shoes are $23 each. Now if I do my math
>correctly that is $152 for the rebuild. Not too bad.

Wow, that's great! Large truck brakes have sure come down in the
last 10 years. There was a time you had to pay like $100 for them. I bet
Motorhomes are the reason for it. Glad to see I was wrong about the
price. Thanks for sharing this with us and giving some of us a chance to
say Deacon was wrong. Na, na, na! :)
As far as rebuilding wheel cylinders goes, you may want to see how
much new ones are. They may be cheap now too. If there is any rust in
the bore you can hone them but a leak with new shoes could be the
makings of a bad day. :)

>On another note we finally sold my wife's escort!!! After eight months
>and little interest a used car dealer bought it from us for what we
owed
>on it. I am happy but I will miss that car.

We had one that we traded in on my wives Aerostar. Ours was a GT and if
it wasn't for the family growing... I take that back. I wish we kept it
anyway and just bought the van.

>Nope. She has her eyes on a 1969 Bronco. Do I have a great
>wife or what? She likes going to junk yards, encourages me to spend
money
>on my projects and loves old trucks. What a wife!

I had one of those too (also wish I kept it,,, Damn). She'll love it.
You can get a soft top or hard top for them. I had my top and doors off
most of the time. Everything you can do to a CJ you can do to the old
style Bronco.

>We are going to test drive the bronco today. It is in good condition
for
>the most part. It has been jacked up and has big tires with fancy rims.
>If we do get it I am going to take that stuff off of it and make it
more
>stock looking. We will See.

IMHO the old style Bronco has a short wheel base and shouldn't have
a high CG. Like the CJ it is easy to roll when you lift them. Off-road
vehicles are a lot more fun when they have stability. The only reason to
lift them is water. You'll find that the shorter the wheel base the less
problems you'll have with ground clearance.

Sorry to sound like it's a done deal but if you can get it, there
should be no reason not to. Parts are no problem, their the coolest
vehicle ever made and they hold their resale like a Harley! I check the
truck trader from time to time and see them going for $6,500 bone stock.
Good luck, I hope she gets it!

Deacon
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:47:09 -0500
From: Tim Sherva
Subject: 66 300-6 intake exhaust

Hey everyone

I've been lurking for a while. Now
I find myself looking for a intake/exhaust manifold for a 66 300-6
my question is, upto what year truck/car can I look for in the
junk yards with the same manifolds. I know ford had to use
the same design for several years. Also anyone in Texas got a
clean one just in case, the two I looked at the other day where
worse than mine and mine is shot.

Tim Sherva
'66 F100 300 soon to be 390

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:55:14 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: F500...Braking News!!!

From: Bill Beyer
>Well so much for F500 brakes being so expensive!

What, you don't think $23 each is expensive? What are you. Made of
money? :) First time in my life I was wrong. Big deal! How do you know
he's telling the truth about the price. I may have made him mad some
other time (God knows it's possible with my track record) and he's just
trying to pay me back with this. What about that! Hu, hu, hu. What about
that! :)
Besides, I never said I know anything. I just like making noise! If
people believe me, that's not my fault! I have opinions on things I know
nothing about. Their free so I collect them. My Mom said if I have a lot
of something, I should share them with others. Believe me, I have a lot
of them. Enough for everyone! :)

Deacon
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:03:51 -0500
From: Jim Craig
Subject: Paint&Body

Well, it's time to give 'ol faithful a makeover. The duct tape has a hard
time holding the body parts on when there is nothing to stick to! For those
of you out there who have experience with this, what are your
recommendations on an air spray gun?

Jimbo
'77 Supercab
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:09:34 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: F500...Braking News!!!

Easy now, Deacon you're being way too sensitive man! My comment certainly
didn't rate 2 paragraphs from the prince of prose, the sultan of semantics,
the duke of diphthongs. No way! Lissen sleddog clued me in on how to defeat
the anti kiddie caps on my prozac (I'm still pickin' up little pink pills!)
want one?

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> From: Deacon
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: F500...Braking News!!!
> Date: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 4:55 PM
>
> From: Bill Beyer
> >Well so much for F500 brakes being so expensive!
>
> What, you don't think $23 each is expensive? What are you. Made of
> money? :) First time in my life I was wrong. Big deal! How do you know
> he's telling the truth about the price. I may have made him mad some
> other time (God knows it's possible with my track record) and he's just
> trying to pay me back with this. What about that! Hu, hu, hu. What about
> that! :)
> Besides, I never said I know anything. I just like making noise! If
> people believe me, that's not my fault! I have opinions on things I know
> nothing about. Their free so I collect them. My Mom said if I have a lot
> of something, I should share them with others. Believe me, I have a lot
> of them. Enough for everyone! :)
>

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:27:14 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: Paint&Body

Thanks for your message at 08:03 PM 4/28/98 -0500, Jim Craig. Your message
was:
>Well, it's time to give 'ol faithful a makeover. The duct tape has a hard
>time holding the body parts on when there is nothing to stick to! For those
>of you out there who have experience with this, what are your
>recommendations on an air spray gun?


It should be hooked up to a compressor with very little pressure if what
you say is true.
1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C....


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