fordtrucks61-79-digest Friday, April 24 1998 Volume 02 : Number 229



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In this issue:

Re: (Sort of)Re:motor of choice??? ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: motor of choice??? ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Truckin' in Pigeon Forge [Stu Varner ]
RE: Subject: motor of choice??? [Sleddog ]
re: Subject: motor of choice??? [Sleddog ]
re: Subject: motor of choice??? ["SGT WILLIAM A WHITED"
AOD Transmission ["P.J. Warren" ]
Re: AOD Transmission ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: AOD Transmission [George Herpich ]
Re: AOD Transmission ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Vehicle lift and it aint even christmas ["Gary, 78 BBB"
Re: 352 or 390? ["Jay Branscome" ]
Re: 352 or 390? ["Jay Branscome" ]
Just Picked Up a '72 429... [Vogt Family ]
Re: AOD Transmission [George Herpich ]
Re: Just Picked Up a '72 429... [George Herpich ]
Re: AOD Transmission [Garr&Pam ]
trade for digital camera [Dennis Pearson ]
Re: AOD Transmission [George Herpich ]
RE: Time for new glass ["Hogan, Tom" ]
Re: motor of choice??? [Ractrk002 ]
RE: Time for new glass [Sleddog ]
RE: Time for new glass [Steve & Rockette ]
Re: Time for new glass [FoMoCoNUT2 ]
Re: Truckin' in Pigeon Forge [FoMoCoNUT2 ]
RE: 74' Ranger Hood Ornament & The Explorer [Marsha Herrmann

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:21:26 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: (Sort of)Re:motor of choice???

> From: A64F100
> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:43:42 EDT
> Subject: (Sort of)Re:motor of choice???

> and have seen more 460s for sale than 400s locally. So, here comes
> the question. How many modifications need to be made to the motor
> mounts to put in a 460 where a 400 previoulsly resided? As far as I
> see it, it's ok as long as I don't move the transmission at all.

I understand that the L&L mounts do not move the tranny very much if
at all? We've posted this many times so there's lots of stuff in
the archives on the bronco list: (all bronco owners want a 460 for
some reason :-))

Exhaust will have to be modified and truck passenger side exhaust
manifold or headers will be required to do it right.

Mounts as mentioned above

Possibly new radiator for more cooling

Rear sump oil pan (van or 4x4), dipstick and tube

All 460 accessory brackets need to be retained

460 flex plate or flywheel is required to keep engine balance. Post
78 460's are externally balanced so they can't be mixed with earlier
ones.

4 pole (selenoid) starter for more torque or new gear drive starter.

If EFI get all electrical parts from donor vehicle and good luck :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:34:28 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: motor of choice???

> From: Ractrk002
> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:08:31 EDT
> Subject: Re: motor of choice???

> give you decent milage and power. Obviously a 429 or 460 would be
> easy power but no gas milage and a Windsor would give milage with a
> fair amount of torque.

Read my other posts on this, the mileage is a wash in a truck and the
460 is no worse than the 335 series at any rate and the windor truck
engine is worse than either of these, especially the HO.

The windsor has perhaps the best "potential" for economy but as they
come from the factory they are no better. The 460 has the best
potential for "Power & economy" in a truck but requires some planning
to make it happen. IOW, once you go beyond stock power for the 351
class engines the 460 makes more power more economically with a
little planning.

If you already have the 335 series engine then it's a tough call
because the 400 actually makes good torque with decent mileage, again
with a little planning and would probably be the cheapest route if
rebuilding is required in any case (if the 460 has to be rebuilt to
be used). If you find a low mileage 460 that can be used as is the
choice is more difficult since power can be very enticing and there
is no comparison between them power wise. (sorry m block devotees
:-))

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:49:18 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: Truckin' in Pigeon Forge

At 12:31 AM 4/23/98 -0400, you wrote:
>At 11:11 AM 4/21/98 -0600, you wrote:
>>At 11:55 AM 4/21/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>>Those who are coming to the upcoming events in Pigeon Forge
>>
>>How many are planning on going?????
>>It would be interesting to know who will be lerking about. I am bringing my
>>carbon monoxide tester if Deacon will be there! :)
>>
>>To keep the messages down on the list, if you are planning on going to
>>Pigeon Forge,
>>you can email me privately and I'll post one large list later next week so
>>everyone can see who will be there.
>>
>>Am i overstepping my boundries Ken?? I am justcurious to know who all will
>>attend!!
>>
>>Stu
>>Nuke GM!
>>
>
>Stu,
>
>Sorry for the delay. This sounds like a fantastic idea. Are you
>on the other lists too? If not, I can forward a message for you.
>
>Ken
>

Ken I am only on the 61-79 list.
Thanks for allowing me to take attendance. :)

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:23:06 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Subject: motor of choice???

i have a truck for that engine to find a home in.

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From: Chris Samuel[SMTP:fourmuelz email.msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 1998 1:35 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: RE: Subject: motor of choice???

Right now down at the shop we have:
THE DEFINITIVE TRUCK ENGINE!

Approx. 600 Cubic Inch Aluminum Big Block FORD.
State of the art rotational pieces. Roller cam. Dry sump.
AR Heads... You know the HEMI type.
Block, Heads, Valvecovers, and the custom fabricated intake took something
like $5000 just to get it all polished.
Polished stainless steel headers, shorty type though they are
upside-down to most of us, This is because they have a set of simply huge
Turbochargers sitting on the ends of the collectors.

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:32:36 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: re: Subject: motor of choice???

i never got better than 10 mpg from my 460's. the last street 460 i had
would run about that highway, but drop to 2-5 on those big snow winter days
with the hubs locked.

anyway, i belive the 400 can make power. hell, it is basically a big block
anyway. a guy on the fordnatics list has one that'll suck alot of BB's
right down it's webers. using the 400 saves some money i think in the end.
for one thing, L&L headers for that bronco are probobly $400. for my 77
f150 they ran that much. these are much better parts than those brands
that start with an H.

so, *I* would do the 460. well, i always did want to build the 400 bored,
cemented, stroked, C4V quench heads, custom cross ram, 2 750 dominators,
really big roller lump stick with a small blue bottle behind the seats.

sleddog

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From: Chris Samuel[SMTP:fourmuelz email.msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 1998 1:35 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: RE: Subject: motor of choice???

Could have predicted that Ol' Sleddog would have told ya ta use the 460,
surprised me with his 400 recommendation... You slippen Sleddog?
Put a 460 in it, about the same cost for the engine, little more for the
swap parts. 450 easy horses and about 8-13 MPG, up hill or down, Loaded or
Un. Hubs in or out

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 9:51:54 -0400
From: "SGT WILLIAM A WHITED"
Subject: re: Subject: motor of choice???

I get about 11 mpg out of my 390 and I need a tune so back it hurts.
I guess that little bit of oil that is burning is helping my average. Not
to mention my shot suspension. But that's just mine.

74 F100 RANGER SUPER CAB 390
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From "Sleddog" , on 4/23/98 9:32 AM:
To: SMTP3 SMTP3 MCB LEJEUNE["'fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net'"
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i never got better than 10 mpg from my 460's. the last street 460 i had
would run about that highway, but drop to 2-5 on those big snow winter days
with the hubs locked.

anyway, i belive the 400 can make power. hell, it is basically a big block
anyway. a guy on the fordnatics list has one that'll suck alot of BB's
right down it's webers. using the 400 saves some money i think in the end.
for one thing, L&L headers for that bronco are probobly $400. for my 77
f150 they ran that much. these are much better parts than those brands
that start with an H.

so, *I* would do the 460. well, i always did want to build the 400 bored,
cemented, stroked, C4V quench heads, custom cross ram, 2 750 dominators,
really big roller lump stick with a small blue bottle behind the seats.

sleddog

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From: Chris Samuel[SMTP:fourmuelz email.msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 1998 1:35 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: RE: Subject: motor of choice???

Could have predicted that Ol' Sleddog would have told ya ta use the 460,
surprised me with his 400 recommendation... You slippen Sleddog?
Put a 460 in it, about the same cost for the engine, little more for the
swap parts. 450 easy horses and about 8-13 MPG, up hill or down, Loaded or
Un. Hubs in or out







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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:25:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: "P.J. Warren"
Subject: AOD Transmission

Hey Everybody,

When was the AOD Transmission first introduced? If it was introduced
after the M-block was laid to rest, would it still be possible to bolt it
up to a 400?

P.J.
a.k.a. Pete

*************************************
I just want to do something original,
but it's already been done.
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:25:40 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: AOD Transmission

> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:25:23 -0500 (CDT)
> From: "P.J. Warren"
> Subject: AOD Transmission

> When was the AOD Transmission first introduced? If it was
> introduced after the M-block was laid to rest, would it still be
> possible to bolt it up to a 400?

Not sure when but early 80's and it was never used on the big blocks
so would not have a bell housing for the 351M/400 or 429/460 AFAIK.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:36:25 -0400
From: George Herpich
Subject: Re: AOD Transmission

The AOD fits the small block and 240-300 six. The 400 type uses the same bell
housing pattern as the 460. You could use the E4OD with some sort of
computer. These stand alone computers are available for swaps and you'd have
a trans with the strength of a C6.
George

P.J. Warren wrote:

> Hey Everybody,
>
> When was the AOD Transmission first introduced? If it was introduced
> after the M-block was laid to rest, would it still be possible to bolt it
> up to a 400?
>
> P.J.
> a.k.a. Pete
>
> *************************************
> I just want to do something original,
> but it's already been done.
> *************************************
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:09:15 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: AOD Transmission

> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:36:25 -0400
> From: George Herpich
> Subject: Re: AOD Transmission

> The AOD fits the small block and 240-300 six. The 400 type uses the
> same bell housing pattern as the 460. You could use the E4OD with
> some sort of computer. These stand alone computers are available for
> swaps and you'd have a trans with the strength of a C6. George

George, I didn't know you could get the shift computer on a stand
alone basis? You mean I could put this tranny in my 78 bronco
without any EFI or computer stuff?

Who makes it?

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:20:43 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Vehicle lift and it aint even christmas

YaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaHoooooooo! My lift is at the warehouse and ready to
be delivered Tuesday! With any luck we'll have this puppy in the
ground and cemented in by next weekend. I've been trying to think of
something in my life I was more excited about and the only thing that
comes to mind is that night 30 some odd years ago when........well
never mind but anyway I'm pretty excited. Then comes the floor and
then the bath room and then the open house party and
then.............:-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:34:37 PDT
From: "Jay Branscome"
Subject: Re: 352 or 390?

Oh Yes,
I forgot to tell you. If any of the number locations confuses you let me
know cause I have a digital camera and can take pictures of the numbers
locations.

Jay.



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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:32:44 PDT
From: "Jay Branscome"
Subject: Re: 352 or 390?

Dan,
First of all. Thanks for the help. OK Here's my numbers and location.

1. On the top of the intake manifold are the numbers:
C5AE 9425 C

2. On the passenger side of the block under the exhuast mani are the
numbers:
C7ME-A

3. On the drivers side of the block on the front of the motor just under
the head gasket:
29
352.

4. On the passenger side exhuast manifold itself is:
C5TE 9430-C

5. On the drivers side head is: C4AE 6090G

Further on the Harmonic balancer in yellow paint letters from the junk
yard where the engine came from is written Ford 390. Because of the
numbers on the front of the block and what I have read I have a 352 that
was mistaken for a 390. I know the exhuast is from a 67 390 because I
had to replace the donut gaskets and the heat riser gaskets and after 90
minutes going thru the parts store gaskets we found the one that matched
up. I will be greatful for any and all help you can give me. Like I
said nothing has gone wrong with it yet but just in case.

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:03:28 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: Just Picked Up a '72 429...

Well, I just got a '72 429 out of a Lincoln for $200 today. Don't quite
know what I've got. I also have an automatic transmission. It is quite
large. Did they have an AOD that far back? There is a large number
S-95 on the bellhousing.

Birken T. Vogt - KE6DLT

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:40:29 -0400
From: George Herpich
Subject: Re: AOD Transmission

I think Carl Bauman has one. I can't remember if he was working on it or
selling it but it was at least six months ago so he must be done by now, or
gave up. In any case he should know who has one and if it's any good. The
first I heard of this was maybe two years ago but I can't remember who had
it. Carl's number is 864 646 8920. Level Ten does lots of work with E4ODs
and may be able to help also. Don't know their number but they advertise in
a lot of ford mags.

> George, I didn't know you could get the shift computer on a stand
> alone basis? You mean I could put this tranny in my 78 bronco
> without any EFI or computer stuff?
>
> Who makes it?
>
> 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
> 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
> 78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
>
> -- Gary --
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:50:15 -0400
From: George Herpich
Subject: Re: Just Picked Up a '72 429...

It's a 460 with a C6. Lincolns never had a 429. Overdrive automatics weren't
even dreamed of back then. Still, the extra cubes should make you happy.
George

Vogt Family wrote:

> Well, I just got a '72 429 out of a Lincoln for $200 today. Don't quite
> know what I've got. I also have an automatic transmission. It is quite
> large. Did they have an AOD that far back? There is a large number
> S-95 on the bellhousing.
>
> Birken T. Vogt - KE6DLT
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:22:16 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: AOD Transmission

George Herpich wrote:
>
> I think Carl Bauman has one. I can't remember if he was working on it or
> selling it but it was at least six months ago so he must be done by now, or
> gave up. In any case he should know who has one and if it's any good. The
> first I heard of this was maybe two years ago but I can't remember who had
> it. Carl's number is 864 646 8920. Level Ten does lots of work with E4ODs
> and may be able to help also. Don't know their number but they advertise in
> a lot of ford mags.
>
> > George, I didn't know you could get the shift computer on a stand
> > alone basis? You mean I could put this tranny in my 78 bronco
> > without any EFI or computer stuff?
> >
> > Who makes it?
> >
> > 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
> > 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
> > 78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
> >
> > -- Gary --
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Level 10 does alot with E4OD. I am on the F150 Lightning list and every
one on thier swears by level 10. There's guys running some serious
horsepower and turning some awesome quarter mile times and most have
level 10 upgrades or a complete tranny down by them. I never see any
posts about transmission problems!!! Hope this helps
Chris

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:31:38 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: trade for digital camera

Thanks for your message at 01:34 PM 4/23/98 PDT, Jay Branscome. Your
message was:
>Oh Yes,
>I forgot to tell you. If any of the number locations confuses you let me
>know cause I have a digital camera and can take pictures of the numbers
>locations.

I'll trade you 0ne 1962 ford stepside shortbox sans engine for that camera.
How about a 1961 Unibody short box truck (pretty much a shell with
wheels). C'mon man, I want one...


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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:31:10 -0400
From: George Herpich
Subject: Re: AOD Transmission

I just sold my Lightning, black '94 # 1976, a couple of months ago. I was on the
list until then. I do miss it but I needed the money and garage space for my old
stuff.
George

Garr&Pam wrote:

> George Herpich wrote:
>
>
> Level 10 does alot with E4OD. I am on the F150 Lightning list and every
> one on thier swears by level 10. There's guys running some serious
> horsepower and turning some awesome quarter mile times and most have
> level 10 upgrades or a complete tranny down by them. I never see any
> posts about transmission problems!!! Hope this helps
> Chris
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:36:41 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: Time for new glass

Dan,
I read someone's recommendation in Hot Rod magazine about cleaning
plastic windows (I can't remember if it was plexi or lexan). He claimed
to be in the armed services during desert storm and had used Pledge
polish to clean the plastic windows. He claimed it was the recommended
cleaning material from the manufacturer or it was in his regulations or
something. He said it prevented yellowing of the plastic and prevented
scratches from the desert sand. I have not verified this myself and
hope I am not perpetuating a myth. Can anyone else out there verify?

Tom H.

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:04:00 EDT
From: Ractrk002
Subject: Re: motor of choice???

I have a 302 in my truck and have got better mileage than any people I know of
with FE's, 385 and 335's, my friends 351M gets around 14mpg with a 4bbl and a
hot cam. And that aint feather footin' it either..

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:12:05 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Time for new glass

Don't know about the plastic, but i use lemon pledge for all my automotive
waxing needs. When i got a custom paint job and mural on my bike, i was
told to use it by the guy who painted it. it never will put those swirls
in the paint like car wax does (with a clean cloth!) and gives it a great
shine. only thing is, it must be done more often as it is not ass durable
as car wax.

take a walk around a car/bike show and i am sure you will see many more
people using it.

sleddog

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From: Hogan, Tom[SMTP:Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 1998 7:36 PM
To: 'Ford Trucks'
Subject: RE: Time for new glass

Dan,
I read someone's recommendation in Hot Rod magazine about cleaning
plastic windows (I can't remember if it was plexi or lexan). He claimed
to be in the armed services during desert storm and had used Pledge
polish to clean the plastic windows. He claimed it was the recommended
cleaning material from the manufacturer or it was in his regulations or
something. He said it prevented yellowing of the plastic and prevented
scratches from the desert sand. I have not verified this myself and
hope I am not perpetuating a myth. Can anyone else out there verify?

Tom H.






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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:49:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: RE: Time for new glass

At 04:36 PM 23/4/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Dan,

8

>to be in the armed services during desert storm and had used Pledge
>polish to clean the plastic windows. He claimed it was the recommended

8

>hope I am not perpetuating a myth. Can anyone else out there verify?
>

Tom;

You're not perpetuating a myth, I've used Pledgeto polish the Lexan
windows in the company truck's canopy. For the last 5 years. My SWMBO
suggested it as a 'quick detailing' aid also.

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'63 F100 Longbox

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:28:04 EDT
From: FoMoCoNUT2
Subject: Re: Time for new glass

In a message dated 4/23/98 7:45:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Tom.Hogan kla-
tencor.com writes:


scratches from the desert sand. I have not verified this myself and
hope I am not perpetuating a myth. Can anyone else out there verify? >>


Well gang, here is my expierience: I am a crew chief / gunner on Super
Stallions, CH53E helicopters in the Marine Corps and I sware by pledge to keep
the windscreens clean and free from scratches. I don't know about being
"reccomended" by anyone or any company. But I can tell you that on my last six
month overseas trip which included operating in every environment from salt
spray (operating from USS Ship) to operations in North Africa, all over Europe
and parts of the Middle East. I mean we operate in some very in-hospitable
landing zones in the dessert and mountains with everything from flying
dirt,sand and animal dung to other "projectiles", that the brand new sets of
windscreens I installed before the deployment maintained everyday with a good
cleaning of soap and water then polished with "pledge", of course with lemon
scent for that extra touch, was the only set of windscreens in my squadron
which came back to the good ole' U.S. looking almost NEW. So there it is
again..... my "more than" two cents worth.. hope this helps someone out ..

John Miller...... FoMoCoNUT2.....

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:49:30 EDT
From: FoMoCoNUT2
Subject: Re: Truckin' in Pigeon Forge

Hi gang, I have survived the Navy sawbones and am very happy to report that
myself and my better (much) half will for sure attend the Nat's in Pigeon
Forge...... YEeeeeeee HAaaaawwww...

And on a personal note from me to all of you great people who responded to my
request for reading material after surgery...... THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH......
I mean it..... your kind words of support and good wishes were another
outstanding example of the comradery we have here among Ford Friends...... As
we say in another gang I hang out with...... SEMPER FI


John Miller

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:59:20 -0500
From: Marsha Herrmann
Subject: RE: 74' Ranger Hood Ornament & The Explorer

Alright guys I'll try to fill in the gaps on the Ranger Hood Ornament.
I was the one who sent the original message looking for the Ranger Ornament.
I still need one if we can find it. We know it did exist, I even had
several personal E-mails from people who have seen it or know someone who
has one on their truck. But we have been unable to find a part number. It
is not shown in the parts book but we have confirmed that it was a dealer
installed item only and not many dealers did this.

The Explorer packages from 73-77' did have their own distinctive ornaments.
The 73/74 Explorer used one of two ornaments; One said Explorer (can't
remember the back-ground color) and the other was a shared emblem used on
many cars & trucks from 73-79', it was taller, had the red background, 3
chrome lions on the face (vertical), had a chrome wreath around the outside
and I am holding an NOS one in my hand right now (part #D3AZ-16850B
Obsolete). I am sure this is the one this gentleman did have on his 74'
Ranger since he said the truck had the original vinyl seat. The Explorer
packages came with the combination cloth/vinyl seat and he would have also
had the waterline stripes as mentioned before if it was an Explorer.

The 75' Explorer had the wide bold stripes across the hood and down both
sides. The Hood Ornament said Explorer and it had a map (globe look)
background to it (part #D5TZ-16850A). And the 76' had stripes down both
sides and a "U" shaped set of stripes on the hood. The Ornament said
Explorer in chrome letters and had a medium blue background (part
#D6TZ-16850A).

The 77'& up Explorers used a Black background with Explorer in Chrome letters.

Also if this gentlemans truck is a late 74' model it might have used the....

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