fordtrucks61-79-digest Thursday, April 23 1998 Volume 02 : Number 228



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In this issue:

74 Ranger hood ornament? [John Strauss ]
re: cam deacon [Sleddog ]
Re: '66 Ranger pickup for sale [Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFR]
Spare tire mount in side of bed [John Strauss ]
Re: 74 Ranger hood ornament? [Stu Varner ]
re: cam deacon ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: '66 Ranger pickup for sale [Stu Varner
Re: '66 Ranger pickup for sale ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
MOTOR? ["Jay Branscome" ]
clear up some things.... [BERNE ]
King Pins [Aaron Jacobson ]
Re: King Pins ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: clear up some things.... [james oxley ]
Bandemere test&tune night [SuperMagot ]
Re: clear up some things.... ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: 352 or 390? [Dan Koster ]
re: 74 Ranger hood ornament? ["SGT WILLIAM A WHITED"
[none] [sdelanty sonic.net]
Fuses (was re: cross country sex-mobile 70F100) [sdelanty sonic.net]
(Sort of)Re:motor of choice??? [A64F100 ]
Re: motor of choice??? [Ractrk002 ]
Spring Carlisle !!!!!!!!!!! [Joe DeLaurentis ]
Re: Reading Materisl [POLING4 ]
Re: Hood latch cable [FORDTRKNUT ]
Re: Truckin' in Pigeon Forge [Ken Payne ]
RE: Subject: motor of choice??? ["Chris Samuel"
Re: Battery size [Don Grossman ]
Re: clear up some things.... [Don Grossman ]

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:15:20 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: 74 Ranger hood ornament?

>Does it have the Ranger hood ornament? I know some posted something else
>about it before. I have a 74 F100 RANGER SUPER CAB with a nice hole in the
>hood screaming for a hood ornament. If anybody has any info about where I
>can get one or where I might be able to find one I'd GREATLY appreciate it.
>
You must have an Explorer - that's the only truck that came with a factory
hood ornament that I am aware of. Before you poo-poo me, be aware that the
Explorer was a "special value package" (before there was such a thing, now
you can't hardly get a vehicle without one) which could be had in Ranger
trim. In '74, the Explorer package also included stripes along the
"waterline" (down at the bottom of the body) and special multi-colored
cloth upholstery. If that's what you have (you may not be aware if you are
not the original owner or if the truck does not have original
paint/upholstery) just be aware that you are looking for a hood ornament
that says "Explorer", not "Ranger".

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:19:57 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: re: cam deacon

if i thought i could, you know i would, rhyme my words for you, like deacon
blue. but i know you'll see a poet is not me, but cams to me are like
poetry.

top ten reasons to degree your cam:

10-you didn't know that the timing gears had marks on them already
9- your wife won't let you buy a new cam
8- your wife won't let you buy a new one, so it makes a good excuse to find
that you *need* a new one.
7- you want to play with the powerband a little
6- you don't trust the cam manufacturer
5- you like doing it.
4- you read too much petersons publiching
3- you have 550 hp small block, but need 555 hp.
2- you have a 700 hp BB, and need 710 hp

and the number one reason to degree your cam is. . .

1- you actually have an engine that is high performance and the valve to
piston clearance is so tight you must make sure the valve motion and piston
motion are properly in sync. and retarding/advancing the cam may let the
cam fit. (honey, where's your modeling clay?)

sleddog

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:18:55 -0700
From: Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)
Subject: Re: '66 Ranger pickup for sale

I posted the '66 Ranger ad. I saw it in a photo trader freebie rag.
Looking again at the photo, it looks like the standard side of fender
ornament and front hood ornament. The photo isn't good enough
to ascertain the text on the badges though. I posted it just to see
if anyone was paying attention. I don't know if there WAS such a
thing as a '66 Ranger identification. I just called, nobody home.
Here's the full ad -

1966 Ford Ranger, 390 cubic inch, A/T $1500 OBO
(530) 533-8408 or 533-7465 message.

It's actually in the Oroville area north of Sacramento.
The photo shows a good condition truck with some primer
in the area of front left fender and driver door area. Otherwise
stock two tone paint, nice grill, appears to have the chrome
side trim (hard to tell).

Jeff
'64 F100 CrewCab
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
The '66 did not have a "Ranger" hood ornament from what I can tell.
Later full size Rangers were much more common and I don't know what
the packages included.
* * * * * * * * *
Does it have the Ranger hood ornament? I know some posted something
else
about it before. I have a 74 F100 RANGER SUPER CAB with a nice hole in
the
hood screaming for a hood ornament. If anybody has any info about where
I
can get one or where I might be able to find one I'd GREATLY appreciate
it.
* * * * * *
Hello everyone,
I see no one else replied to this guys note about the '66 Ranger for
sale in Sacramento???? The Ranger package in '66 was essentially a
pair of Mustang bucket seats and a Galaxie center console, carpeting
and emblems (did I leave anything out?). I was thinking of making my
'66 F250 into one of these until I tried a set of bucket seats for a
while (not as comfortable as the bench!). I still have the emblems
that say "Ranger", they are plastic and are installed in place of the
"twin I beam" emblem on the fenders. I have the sales brochure from
'66 and the Ranger package sure LOOKS nice...

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:26:09 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: Spare tire mount in side of bed

>Jack Writes: >>During the 70's, Ford had an optional spare tire mount
>built into the bed, curbside. It had a pretty big door that you could
>remove and the spare was mounted upright - very convenient. I
>wish Ford still offered something like that today.
>
>
>I know where one of these is. The truck took a lick straight on and is
>totaled out, but the bed is good. It is on a '79, I believe, F350 2wd
>pickup bright red in color. If anyone is intrerested in it I'll stop
>by some afternoon on my way home and investigate. Just let me know.
>
I may be wrong, but I think those only came on the F350 with the Super LWB.
This was a truck with an extra long wheelbase but the same length bed
which was meant for carrying large campers. They made these approx. 73-76.
Be sure to measure the spacing of the rear wheel in relation to the front
and rear of the bed before you throw down your money.

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:35:15 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: 74 Ranger hood ornament?

At 01:15 PM 4/22/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>Does it have the Ranger hood ornament? I know some posted something else
>>about it before. I have a 74 F100 RANGER SUPER CAB with a nice hole in the
>>hood screaming for a hood ornament. If anybody has any info about where I
>>can get one or where I might be able to find one I'd GREATLY appreciate it.
>>

Try the guys atMcDonalds Obsolete parts. they have located some really
difficult
NOS parts for me for my 71 4x4. Be aware, they are NOT cheap, they locate
the part through the 8000 plus Ford dealers across the US and Canada.

STJ parts is another source. Jimmy Rose is in Lebannon Tennessee and he
deals in NOS stuff too.

McDonalds number is 812.359.4965

STJ parts ask for Jimmy Rose, (he travels alot to swap meets) is 615-443-3086
I think JohnMcNamara gave me his number........I spit it off the top of my
head.....is Jimmy's number right??
Stu
Nuke GM!

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:35:56 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: re: cam deacon

> From: Sleddog
> Subject: re: cam deacon
> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:19:57 -0400

> 1- you actually have an engine that is high performance and the
> valve to piston clearance is so tight you must make sure the valve
> motion and piston motion are properly in sync. and
> retarding/advancing the cam may let the cam fit. (honey, where's
> your modeling clay?)

Better get a Pete Jackson gear drive if you're gona run it that close
:-) Did I ever tell you about my 81 Escourt.............or was it
the 71 pinto......

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:37:56 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: '66 Ranger pickup for sale

At 11:18 AM 4/22/98 -0700, you wrote:
>I posted the '66 Ranger ad. I saw it in a photo trader freebie rag.
>Looking again at the photo, it looks like the standard side of fender
>ornament and front hood ornament. The photo isn't good enough
>to ascertain the text on the badges though. I posted it just to see
>if anyone was paying attention. I don't know if there WAS such a
>thing as a '66 Ranger identification. I just called, nobody home.
>Here's the full ad -
>
>The '66 did not have a "Ranger" hood ornament from what I can tell.
>Later full size Rangers were much more common and I don't know what
>the packages included.
>* * * * * * * * *

Auto Krafters has a badge for sale that says Ranger on it for 65-66 models.
It goes in the mounting where the cowl badges are located.
Don't know any of the specifics on the 1966 Rangers......

Stu
Nuke GM!

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:38:00 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: '66 Ranger pickup for sale

> From: Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)
> Subject: Re: '66 Ranger pickup for sale
> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:18:55 -0700

> to see if anyone was paying attention. I don't know if there WAS
> such a thing as a '66 Ranger identification. I just called, nobody

I had a 67 ranger, it had white metal castings on the side of the
hood or fender, can't remember.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:09:08 PDT
From: "Jay Branscome"
Subject: MOTOR?

Can someone please tell me where the engine numbers are on a 1965 352. I
can't find them on my truck. When I bought it I was told I had a 352
with 390 heads and then later I was told I had a 390 with the 352 heads.
Haven't had a thing go wrong with it and the folks in the town where I
live El Paso Texas arn't real friendly with Ford owners. Thier Chevy
Fans here. Opps sorry I used that bad word.
Thanks

______________________________________________________

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:47:36 -0700
From: BERNE
Subject: clear up some things....

Hey..I think I might need to clear up some things about this Bronco. =
First off, I am going to be doing some pretty serious Mod's anyway. I =
am putting a power-lok dana 60 (8 lugs) in the back, and a trac-lok 44 =
in the front, again, 8-lug. so alot of things are changing already. =
What I am looking for is some combination for sale in the paper, for =
example...351-c6-np205 all married up...for some combination like =
that...what years am I looking for for a married T-case. And another =
thing..does anyone know, cuz I don't, what was the heavy T-case Ford =
used back in the day? Was it a Np205, or were those only right hand =
pumpkin applications? And why did Ford have to be so difficult and make =
the pumpkin on the left side, right where the steeringbox is and =
everything????? OK..I am done..for now..
Thanks again..
=20

Berne
strome ucs.orst.edu

=00=00

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:58:40 -0700
From: Aaron Jacobson
Subject: King Pins

I need to change the king pins on my 65 after many years of abuse up on
the mountain logging roads I play on. The local NAPA dealer has both the
brass and neoprene bushings. 0ther than price are there pros and cons
for either one?
65 F250 Camper Special flat black and still going
351c
Jake in Beautiful British Columbia

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:12:29 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: King Pins

> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:58:40 -0700
> From: Aaron Jacobson
> Subject: King Pins

> I need to change the king pins on my 65 after many years of abuse up
> on the mountain logging roads I play on. The local NAPA dealer has
> both the brass and neoprene bushings. 0ther than price are there
> pros and cons for either one?

Plastic doesn't have to be reamed so you can do it yourself at home
with no machining. The brass are better IMHO but have to be reamed
and if the operator gets in a hurry they can be worse off than the
old ones. If you're a machinist, borrow an expansion reamer and ream
them yourself after the shop presses them in for you. The brass ones
will require removal of the I beams to take to the shop unless you
have a shop do the whole job.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:28:08 -0700
From: james oxley
Subject: Re: clear up some things....

BERNE wrote:
>
> Hey..I think I might need to clear up some things about this Bronco.

First off, please hit the return key once in a while, hard to read your
message.
Second, if your not on it, there is a bronco web page/ML

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.bigbroncos.com

I have a 78 Bronc with dana 60 rear, rear disc brakes and detroit. I
had a dana 60 front modified for coil spring mount. Picking it up Monday.
It will be getting detroit also. 78-79 bronc's dana 44 can be upgraded to
8 lug front using 78-79 F-250 parts from the spindle outward. You will
need 16" wheels or some minimal backspaced 15"ers and a grinder. The
NP205 is the transfer case to get and was used in 78-79 bronc's (also
used in early 80's. 78-79 will get you only a 351M or 400 as a motor, C6
auto or NP435/T18 manual. 351M was used til 82 some time. 80 up bronc's
can not be upgraded to 8 lug from same year F-250 unless custom spacer is
used for one of the ball joints. Knuckles are different between 1/2 and
3/4 ton 80's fords.

Any other questions, fire away.

OX

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:24:33 EDT
From: SuperMagot
Subject: Bandemere test&tune night

Just wanted to see if any Colorado Ford owners are interested in going to
Bandemere Speedway on May 13th (A Wednesday). I will be going, gonna get a
baseline for my F-100 460/C-6. Know of at least one other going as well.

It would be cool if we can get a group together and race our rides around!
Anyways, e-mail me privately [supermagot aol.com] if your interested!

- - Mike

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:24:54 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: clear up some things....

> From: BERNE
> Subject: clear up some things....
> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:47:36 -0700

> Hey..I think I might need to clear up some things about this Bronco.
> First off, I am going to be doing some pretty serious Mod's anyway.
> I am putting a power-lok dana 60 (8 lugs) in the back, and a
> trac-lok 44 in the front, again, 8-lug. so alot of things are
> changing already.

What year bronco?

> What I am looking for is some combination for
> sale in the paper, for example...351-c6-np205 all married up...for
> some combination like that...what years am I looking for for a
> married T-case.

I believe it was 76 up, not sure

> And another thing..does anyone know, cuz I don't,
> what was the heavy T-case Ford used back in the day? Was it a
> Np205

Np 205 is probably the strongest light truck xfer case ever made.

> or were those only right hand pumpkin applications? And why
> did Ford have to be so difficult and make the pumpkin on the left

Everyone used this box and it came both ways. If you look around you
will notice that Dodge and Jeep also used the left punkin on many
models over the years. Only Chevy has consistanly put it on the
wrong side :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:37:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Koster
Subject: Re: 352 or 390?

Jay,

You need to look on the underside of the cylinders on the passenger
side. You should see an alphanumeric code that looks something like:

C5AE6015G

On the outside side of the heads there will be another number that
will be similar to this one.


Write 'em down, post 'em up, and we'll decifer!

Dan



- ---Jay Branscome wrote:
>
> Can someone please tell me where the engine numbers are on a 1965
352. I
> can't find them on my truck. When I bought it I was told I had a 352
> with 390 heads and then later I was told I had a 390 with the 352
heads.

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 16:18:35 -0400
From: "SGT WILLIAM A WHITED"
Subject: re: 74 Ranger hood ornament?

The person that had posted this earlier stated that he had seen one
before. Also on my truck I have the chrome body molding along the
waterline. Also I have a chrome Ranger on the bed of my truck along with
Ranger on the glove box. Every Explorer that I have seen has Explorer on
the truck. You're right I have only seen Explorer hood ornaments, but when
this was posted earlier someone said that they thought it was a dealer
installed item. As far as the upholstery it is the original vinyl. The
guy I bought it off had the truck forever and a day and said it was there
when he bought it. I'm just trying see if anybody has a clue to it.
Thanks

74 F100 RANGER SUPER CAB 390
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Original Text
From "John Strauss" , on 4/22/98 2:15 PM:
To: SMTP3 SMTP3 MCB LEJEUNE["Ford Trucks List"
]

>Does it have the Ranger hood ornament? I know some posted something else
>about it before. I have a 74 F100 RANGER SUPER CAB with a nice hole in
the
>hood screaming for a hood ornament. If anybody has any info about where I
>can get one or where I might be able to find one I'd GREATLY appreciate
it.
>
You must have an Explorer - that's the only truck that came with a factory
hood ornament that I am aware of. Before you poo-poo me, be aware that the
Explorer was a "special value package" (before there was such a thing, now
you can't hardly get a vehicle without one) which could be had in Ranger
trim. In '74, the Explorer package also included stripes along the
"waterline" (down at the bottom of the body) and special multi-colored
cloth upholstery. If that's what you have (you may not be aware if you are
not the original owner or if the truck does not have original
paint/upholstery) just be aware that you are looking for a hood ornament
that says "Explorer", not "Ranger".




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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:15:42 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: [none]

> Stuck my head between the clutch and brake and here's what I
> found - the fuse block is not a separate piece with
> connectors, like I thought, but is part of a wiring bundle.
> The wires are actually terminated with crimp connections to
> the fuse clips, which snap in to the plastic fuse block. So
> ... does anyone know if there is a source for those fuse
> clips with a crimp connector? I'm going to try to make one
> out of some bits I have laying around. Otherwise I will have
> to find a whole wiring harness. Long Motor/Vic Brit has a
> universal harness, but it is MUCH more $$ (440+) and more
> involved than I want to get.
>
> Lazy, cheap and proud of it!

I don't much like the stock Ford fuse block. I've seen it be
troublesome before on various older cars and trucks...
When they go bad on me I like to replace them with a good
solder terminal style fuse block. Solder all Your leads on and
put some heatshrink over the connections and it won't cause You
any more grief. The fuse blocks I use are made by Littlefuse and
have 12 fuse holders side by side on a phenolic plastic base.
They are easily cut down with a hacksaw to make smaller groups
if wanted. Each fuse holder takes a standard AGC glass fuse and
is rated for 30 amps.
You can see a sample of the ones I like at:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/show-n-tell/fuseblok.jpg


Steve

Only those who will risk going too far can
possibly find out how far one can go.
-- T. S. Eliot

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:17:34 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Fuses (was re: cross country sex-mobile 70F100)

> Stuck my head between the clutch and brake and here's what I
> found - the fuse block is not a separate piece with
> connectors, like I thought, but is part of a wiring bundle.
> The wires are actually terminated with crimp connections to
> the fuse clips, which snap in to the plastic fuse block. So
> ... does anyone know if there is a source for those fuse
> clips with a crimp connector? I'm going to try to make one
> out of some bits I have laying around. Otherwise I will have
> to find a whole wiring harness. Long Motor/Vic Brit has a
> universal harness, but it is MUCH more $$ (440+) and more
> involved than I want to get.
>
> Lazy, cheap and proud of it!

I don't much like the stock Ford fuse block. I've seen it be
troublesome before on various older cars and trucks...
When they go bad on me I like to replace them with a good
solder terminal style fuse block. Solder all Your leads on and
put some heatshrink over the connections and it won't cause You
any more grief. The fuse blocks I use are made by Littlefuse and
have 12 fuse holders side by side on a phenolic plastic base.
They are easily cut down with a hacksaw to make smaller groups
if wanted. Each fuse holder takes a standard AGC glass fuse and
is rated for 30 amps.
You can see a sample of the ones I like at:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/show-n-tell/fuseblok.jpg


Steve

Only those who will risk going too far can
possibly find out how far one can go.
-- T. S. Eliot

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:43:42 EDT
From: A64F100
Subject: (Sort of)Re:motor of choice???

In a message dated 98-04-22 02:42:10 EDT, you write:


429 or 460 would even bolt right to the bellhousing with new motor mounts >>

I've been wondering about this myself lately.. Although I loved my 400, I've
been considering a 460. Ever since my 400 decided to screw up (to use nice
words) I've been considering a 429-460 to bolt in. Now, I don't want to start
any engine wars again, the fact of the matter is that I loved my 400, but I'm
curious about puttin a 460 in and have seen more 460s for sale than 400s
locally. So, here comes the question. How many modifications need to be made
to the motor mounts to put in a 460 where a 400 previoulsly resided? As far as
I see it, it's ok as long as I don't move the transmission at all. Because as
soon as I move the tranny, I'll need MORE driveshaft modifications, and
frankly I don't know if I can afford to do that again. Well, thanks
for the help.

Later,
Scott L

*Keep It Ford Blue*

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:08:31 EDT
From: Ractrk002
Subject: Re: motor of choice???

Id keep a 351M there very underrated. A good rebuild job. A cam with good
low end torque a 4bbl, Intake, headwork (mabey even Clevland heads) and
hedders. Pretty much everything you would do rebuild anyother motor and you
don't have to find another. It will give you decent milage and power.
Obviously a 429 or 460 would be easy power but no gas milage and a Windsor
would give milage with a fair amount of torque.

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:37:38 -0400
From: Joe DeLaurentis
Subject: Spring Carlisle !!!!!!!!!!!

Well for all you east coast people SPRING CARLISLE Car show/Flea
market is Here!!!!!If anybody needs me to look for something email me
before fri morn and I'll try to hunt it down
- --
Joe
Aka. Fordguy
1968 F-100 4x4 302 Np435 Bone Stock down to the wheel covers
1970 F-250 4x4 390 Np435 The Beast
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://web.p3.net/~shoman

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:42:03 EDT
From: POLING4
Subject: Re: Reading Materisl

Hey GUNS good luck with your up comming surgery.... Hospital Corpsman
(DOC Rick).....

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:26:52 EDT
From: FORDTRKNUT
Subject: Re: Hood latch cable

I have an extra hood latch cable that came out of my 1978 Bronco. Does
anybody have a broken cable in there truck?? If so this ones for sale for
$10.00 plus shipping. It does not include the key or latch assembly, just the
cable and pull handle. Please E-mail FORDTRKNUT AOL.COM if you want it.
Wayne Grabley
1979 F-350 Ranger Lariet 4x4
1979 Ranger XLT Bronco

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 00:31:33 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Truckin' in Pigeon Forge

At 11:11 AM 4/21/98 -0600, you wrote:
>At 11:55 AM 4/21/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>Those who are coming to the upcoming events in Pigeon Forge
>
>How many are planning on going?????
>It would be interesting to know who will be lerking about. I am bringing my
>carbon monoxide tester if Deacon will be there! :)
>
>To keep the messages down on the list, if you are planning on going to
>Pigeon Forge,
>you can email me privately and I'll post one large list later next week so
>everyone can see who will be there.
>
>Am i overstepping my boundries Ken?? I am justcurious to know who all will
>attend!!
>
>Stu
>Nuke GM!
>

Stu,

Sorry for the delay. This sounds like a fantastic idea. Are you
on the other lists too? If not, I can forward a message for you.

Ken

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:35:07 -0700
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: RE: Subject: motor of choice???

>'79 full size Bronco.. SO...the question is....with a choice of any motor
to throw in there, what would you suggest.

Right now down at the shop we have:
THE DEFINITIVE TRUCK ENGINE!

Approx. 600 Cubic Inch Aluminum Big Block FORD.
State of the art rotational pieces. Roller cam. Dry sump.
AR Heads... You know the HEMI type.
Block, Heads, Valvecovers, and the custom fabricated intake took something
like $5000 just to get it all polished.
Polished stainless steel headers, shorty type though they are
upside-down to most of us, This is because they have a set of simply huge
Turbochargers sitting on the ends of the collectors.
The Turbos are connected to a billet air/intercooler box, leading down into
8 throttle bores. Fueling is EFI.
The goal of this engine was 2000HP. The engine has no more then a couple of
hours of dyno time on it, and it has never had a full power pull on it.
What was this jewel going in to? Try a Pickup Truck and I do believe that
it would have met the project goal of setting a world speed record in its
class...

>but i want to not keep something resembling gas milage.

Never-mind.

Seriously.
Cubic Inches are always the easiest way to power so that points to the Big
Blocks, any of them. Pollution control issues eliminate the FE's in this
chassis year "if" legality is an issue. The cost of the conversion added to
the cost of a rebuild add up though, and the economy of the BB may be shall
we say less then hoped for, unless you select your components vary
carefully.
The "M" engines are SMOG dogs no doubt! But if you spend about the price of
the BB swap added to the regular cost of a rebuild they will wake up the BB
Truck next to ya.
IMHO forget all of the small blocks. They work don't get me wrong. My
experience has been that you will get better MPG out of a BB then a 302 or
351W(or C) in a full size Bronco.


One tip, If the truck was built in Canada it should not have had a catalytic
converter, and be tagged stating such, so the next line goes: "Hey this is a
Canadian truck and the 460 was an option..." Not that I would ever resort to
such tactics to get a sticker :-)


Chris
79 Bronco
Last of the good ones!

Could have predicted that Ol' Sleddog would have told ya ta use the 460,
surprised me with his 400 recommendation... You slippen Sleddog?
Put a 460 in it, about the same cost for the engine, little more for the
swap parts. 450 easy horses and about 8-13 MPG, up hill or down, Loaded or
Un. Hubs in or out!

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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:27:09 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: Battery size

John Strauss wrote:

> >No, I think Jon is right, under the passenger side floor is correct. Yes a
> >group 24 will fit in the space. On the larger trucks and 4x's up until 66
> >the battery is under the floor. Everyone who looks under my hood does the
> >"where's the battery" look, or looks at me strange when I give someone a jump
> >and put my passenger door by the engine compartment. I plan on mounting 2
> >batteries under the hood when I install my set of 65 inner fenders and adding
> >a quick disconnect to the front bumper for the jumper cables.
> >
> Well, I don't think it's right to say I am INCORRECT since a) all he said
> was 61-66 and b) I have a 61 and a 64 and they are both under the hood.
> I'd venture to say there are WAY more of those model trucks with the
> battery under the hood than under the floor. And I did guess the size
> right on the floor box, too. :-)
>
> _
> _| ~~. John Strauss
> \, _} jstrauss inetport.com
> \( Texas Fight!

Sorry about that, my bad. What I should have said was Jon was correct for His
application ( F500 in the signature section) Forgive me?

Back to your regular programing

- --
Don Grossman
63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 04:19:06 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: clear up some things....

Gary, 78 BBB wrote:

> > From: BERNE
> > Subject: clear up some things....
> > Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:47:36 -0700....


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