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fordtrucks61-79-digest Tuesday, March 24 1998 Volume 02 : Number 176



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In this issue:

Re: Chevy guys criticize Ford for the changes. [A64F100 ]
Re: KEN Admin. Question . [Ken Payne ]
'64 w/400 problems.. [A64F100 ]
A Rare Find? [Jim Craig ]
Re: please help solve a debate [John MacNamara ]
Re: Power Steering Problems [Jim Craig ]
please help solve a debate [BDIJXS ]
FE water pump [BDIJXS ]
Re: Power Steering Problems [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: duraspark timing retard [sdelanty ]
Re: FE water pump [sdelanty ]
Re: Air Bag Suspensions [sdelanty ]
Re: Intercooled Intake ["Harry Jennings" ]
Apology to Alen (460 Build-Up) ["Harry Jennings" ]
Check out my site [pickup65 juno.com (Jon E Purut)]
Re: duraspark timing retard [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: FE water pump [Antonio ]
Re: Check out my site ["Deacon" ]
Re: '64 w/400 problems.. [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: Air Bag Suspensions ["Deacon" ]
Q-jet manifolds [ballingr ldd.net (WILLIAM L BALLINGER)]

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:09:41 EST
From: A64F100
Subject: Re: Chevy guys criticize Ford for the changes.

In a message dated 98-03-22 20:34:45 EST, you write:


starts using the Tarus(sp?) for the Winston Cup cars and all of the other
guys start crying foul instead of trying to improve their cars.


Gotta Love Them Fords!
>>
I have to admit, At first I didn't like the idea of Tauruses in NASCAR, but
after seeing a couple of the races, and even how the NASCAR Tauruses look,
I've changed my mind.

Later,
Scott L

*Keep It Ford Blue*

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:16:24 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: KEN Admin. Question .

At 10:39 PM 3/22/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>Ken maybe it's time to think about starting that performance oriented list
>>that you were talking about??
>
>
>Ken if you're too loaded down right now to add on another list, drop me a
>note. I've still got capacity on yonderway.com for more mailing lists.
>

Give me a few weeks and I'll be ready to do something.

Ken Payne

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:20:21 EST
From: A64F100
Subject: '64 w/400 problems..

Ok all you electricians, Listen up! I got a problem with my truck. Okay,
where to start... The solenoid is giving me lots of problems. I think it's
bad, I'm going to take it and get a new one tomorrow, but maybe that's not the
problem. The major problem is that the battery keeps going dead, it's brand
new so that's not the problem. I think there might be a short somewhere. Also,
sometimes when I start it, the starter doesn't stop kicking over. It had a
bad starter (that I got ripped off on) but I replaced it with a new one with a
lifetime warranty. So, I think it's the solenoid or the switch(which is also
brand new). What do you guys think?
Thanks for any help with this..

Later,
Scott L

*Keep It Ford Blue*

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:28:44 -0600
From: Jim Craig
Subject: A Rare Find?

I have a lead on a set of police interceptor heads casting # D2OE, but
I can find little info on the heads. I appreciate any light y'all can
shed on this. So far, this is what I know about them from the man
selling them:

A lot of people have never heard of them. They were used on 1971
and 1972 429 police cars. The heads have 2.19 intake valves
and I believe 1.72 exhaust. The PI's have a smaller intake runner
than the CJ's, but they're larger than std 429/460 heads. These
heads also come from the factory with screw in studs and guide plates.

Would these heads be advisable for a truck destined to be a weekend warrior?
I am hoping to use the stock flattop pistons in my '69 C9 460 block, but if
she has to be bored then no bother with CR since new pistons will be in order.
And finally, what modifications that you know of if any e.g., water passage
routing etc., would be required to mate the heads to my block, and am I
correct in assuming they accept all 429/460 intake and exhaust manifolds?
I appreciate your help, and I hope you don't mind all the questions since
I am finding little info on these heads.
Thanks.

Jimbo
'77 Supercab


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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:34:48 -0800
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: please help solve a debate

DC Beatty wrote:
>
> Ok. As some folks may remember I'm putting a 390 in my '67 F100, and I've
> been talking to folks about parts etc. for the swap motor. I now have three
> guys at the Ford dealership (one of them the parts manager who claims to
> know just about everything) who insist that the little engine ID tag that
> bolts under the coil was only put on engines that were _remanufactured_ by
> Ford. Not new motors but remanufactured motors only. They say that because
> of this tag I can safely assume that my engine was rebuilt by Ford around
> 12 years ago.


DC: I have an original 64 427 that has never been apart and it has an
engine tag located under the temp sending unit. It is a rectangular tag
that has the following info:

64 427

4 E N 361B

I asked Mr. FOMOCO about the tag and he said it indicates motor was
built in May 1964. Definitely not a remanufactured motor.

Hope this helps!

Regards
John MacNamara

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:43:55 -0600
From: Jim Craig
Subject: Re: Power Steering Problems

The truck came stock with this particular system. The pulley is the stock
size and the old pump never made steering at idle sooo hard. The problem
appeared when the system (pump and box) was replaced. As far as air in the
line, it is a possibility as is contamination, but the system was throughly
flushed and properly bled. Besides, if air was in the system, wouldn't the
pump whine? The installation of a new pressure hose helped a lot, but it's
getting hard again. The only part of the line that wasn't replaced is the
cooler. Maybe some crud is stuck in there, but it flows freely--then again,
so did the pressure hose.....ARGH!!!


Jimbo
'77 Supercab

Why Does It Have To Be One Of The Few Modern Conveniences That Goes Wrong?!

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:05:25 EST
From: BDIJXS
Subject: please help solve a debate

Hey Drew,

I think you are right, the new engines from Ford came with tags under the
coil. I just took apart an original 68 360 and deciphered most of the numbers
and sure enough, they indicated it was made in 68, etc....there's no way this
was a remanufactured engine...

Good work on not believing everything, even from the "experts" at the
dealership. I have found out that it seems best to get about 8 opinions, then
you usually have decide for yourself which one you think is CLOSEST to being
the correct story...

Good luck,

Colorado Jeff

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:05:31 EST
From: BDIJXS
Subject: FE water pump

Hey Jim,

Just remember to put on the little "stub" hose (about 2" long, goes to the
manifold) on the pump BEFORE you bolt the pump up....practically impossible to
get it in there once the pump is in place...Also, if you are not taking out
your radiator, slide a piece of plywood in to protect it from getting "banged"
up during the job.....

Don't know if you bought the pump yet, but you might want to spend a little
more on a good quality one. I know that there have been a lot or rebuilt units
(not just water pumps but distributors also) that seem to go out after 2000
miles...this especially seems to be common with the "lifetime" warranty
ones....figure this one out....

Good luck!

Colorado Jeff

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:28:53 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Power Steering Problems

I was just reminded that when I replaced my PS pump. I used PS fluid instead of
type F trans fluid. It was very stiff to steer when it was cold then when it
warmed up it was fine. It did not hiss but acted like it was low on fluid. So
after a week of this I filled it till it over flowed ( didn't mean to ) then I
pumped out a little till it was very full. After a day or so it was fine. I also
checked today and I can one finger steer at idle now, hadn't checked when I
posted last night.

I don't know if it will help!!!

Dana

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:41:13 -0800
From: sdelanty
Subject: Re: duraspark timing retard

>> degrees. The box I tested had a delay of about 2.5 milliseconds
>> regardless of input frequency, which gives a retard of about 6

>I like it! This is just another example of why ford stuff is
>reliable, SIMPLICITY! It does the required job without any fuss :-)
>
>78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
>78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
>78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
>
>- -- Gary --

Well, yeah it's simple and cheap but rather a dissapointment for those
of us who were hoping to get a few degrees of ign retard on demand at
the flip of a switch!
I suppose it was too good to hope for anyway...

Steve

Though good may come of practice, this primal truth endures;
The first time anything is done, it's done by amateurs.
-- Art Buck

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:41:15 -0800
From: sdelanty
Subject: Re: FE water pump

> So, since I'm now getting ready
>to replace the water pump on my truck (66 F100, 352), are
>there any tips, tricks, or gotchas that any kind person on
>the list can point out? Thanks...
>
>Jim Pointer

Not really. The FE H2O pump is a pretty easy swap.
Just remember to put some thread sealant on the bolts that hold the
pump to the block so water can't leak up around the threads, and
neverseize all the other (accesory to pump) bolts so it's easy for
whoever changes it next...

Steve

Though good may come of practice, this primal truth endures;
The first time anything is done, it's done by amateurs.
-- Art Buck

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:41:18 -0800
From: sdelanty
Subject: Re: Air Bag Suspensions

Deacon wrote:

> Nothing beats professional custom components!

Except custom home-made components! When You build it Yourself You
know exactly what quality materials and craftsmanship went into it,
and if it doesn't fit right You know who's to blame.
And You can usually save some $$ too!

>Then, we do have some
>list members just wacko enough to go for home made custom built. Guys
>that turn air conditioner compressors into onboard air compressors.

Yep, and I use mine often. One of the best $50 investments I've made
to the truck! Now if I could just find some air suspension bags cheap...

>Guys
>that build trucks able to drag heavily laden sleds for no other reason
>than to say "I did it".

Now *that* is sick! Who would do such a thing? (-:

>They're dirty and their greasy
>Mischievous and sleazy
>Some things they do are cheesy
>the ShadeTree Mechanics on the list! :)

I knew there was a reason we missed You!
I wish I could remember what it was...

Steve

Though good may come of practice, this primal truth endures;
The first time anything is done, it's done by amateurs.
-- Art Buck

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:22:21 CST
From: "Harry Jennings"
Subject: Re: Intercooled Intake

>Subject: intake manifold cooling
>
>hello,
>
>i had a brainstorm the other day. tell me if anyone has seen this or
>similiar done. I would block off the ends on the intake, and run cool
>water through it recurculating it through an ice filled cooler using >a
pump, or through a small radiater with a fan.
>

I have thought about something like that. However, I though about using
a small AC compressor. A small one (like from a Geo Metro) would only
take about 1hp (if that) to run. Think of how cool you could get the
intake with that. Leave the ice at home. You could also use it to (pre)
cool the fuel, too.

What do you think?

Harry.

Visit me at
HREF="http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/3271/index.html">my new
web page.


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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:58:51 CST
From: "Harry Jennings"
Subject: Apology to Alen (460 Build-Up)

I am sorry if I seemed rude when I was being sceptical of the
460 buil-up article. I didn't mean to be. I am sorry for
offending Alen. I am always glad to see new ideas.

Again, It was in now way a personal attack on Alen and his list content.

Later,

Harry.


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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:57:38 -0500
From: pickup65 juno.com (Jon E Purut)
Subject: Check out my site

Hey guys. I put a page together on the F500 that I am buying this
weekend. Check it out and tell me what you think. This is an amateur
attempt at web authoring so please be gentle but honest.

The url is: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~JCPurut


Jon E. Purut
Pickup65 juno.com
JCPurut worldnet.att.net
Visit my site http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~JCPurut

1964 F500 (now available for the world to see)
1965 F100 SWB Daily Driver
1965 F100
1977 F150
1970 Mustang Fastback
1993 Escort Wagon (wifes car)

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:16:33 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: duraspark timing retard

sdelanty wrote:

> Well, yeah it's simple and cheap but rather a dissapointment for those
> of us who were hoping to get a few degrees of ign retard on demand at
> the flip of a switch!
> I suppose it was too good to hope for anyway...
>


How about an electronically activated vacuum switch that cuts the vacuum to the
vacuum ADVANCE can or supplies vacuum to the retard port of a two port vacuum
ADVANCE can????????



There is always a way to MacGyver something!!!

Dana

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:18:48 -0700
From: Antonio
Subject: Re: FE water pump

I had the same thing:pinhole in backing plate of h2o pump. I welded the
hole shut as I couldnt readily find a replacement pump for my 59 ranchero,
the shaft length is longer or shorter than newer (read available at NAPA)
ones. No one wanted to sell just the backing plate either. Any ways,
remove the fuel pump to access one of the pump bolts, driver side lower I
believe.
I had to remove the radiator, which made the whole thing a lot easier. Of
course I wrestled around for an hour before coming to my senses and
spending 10 mins. to remove it. Other than that it was pretty straight
forward.
Hope some of this info helps you out.
Antonio
59 Ranchero

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:38:05 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: Check out my site

From: Jon E Purut
>Hey guys. I put a page together on the F500 that I am buying this
>weekend. Check it out and tell me what you think. This is an amateur
>attempt at web authoring so please be gentle but honest.

Good job Jon! I hope no one steals your cool cool cool Ford GIF! I would
never do such a thing! :] That's a truck and a half! What are your plans
for it?

Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
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Truckin' , I'm a goin' home,
Whoa whoa baby, back where I belong,
Back home, sit down and patch my bones
And git back truckin' on.
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Visit The Deacon Blues Homepage
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:11:42 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: '64 w/400 problems..

A64F100 wrote:
>
> The major problem is that the battery keeps going dead, it's brand
> new so that's not the problem.

To check if something is not turning off or if you have a short, remove one of
the battery cables and put a volt meter between the cable and the battery
terminal. If there is a voltage reading, something is on, if no voltage then
nothing is on. ( even a radio with a clock will give a false reading so
disconnect any thing that you know stays on before the test )



> Also,
> sometimes when I start it, the starter doesn't stop kicking over. It had a
> bad starter (that I got ripped off on) but I replaced it with a new one with a
> lifetime warranty. So, I think it's the solenoid or the switch(which is also
> brand new).


next time the starter runs on pull the ignition switch wire from the solenoid
and see if the starter stops! if it does then ignition switch, otherwise it is
probably the solenoid.

Have you added a duraspark ignition system lately?

Dana

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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:07:31 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: Air Bag Suspensions

>From Steve
>>Guys
>>that build trucks able to drag heavily laden sleds for no other reason
>>than to say "I did it".
>
> Now *that* is sick! Who would do such a thing? (-:

Guy would have to be a dog! :) Looks like one of your math problems.
Sled + dog = ?

> I knew there was a reason we missed You!
> I wish I could remember what it was...

My dashingly good looks? Suave demeanor? There are so many to choose
from! ;]


Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
========================================
Truckin' , I'm a goin' home,
Whoa whoa baby, back where I belong,
Back home, sit down and patch my bones
And git back truckin' on.
========================================
Visit The Deacon Blues Homepage
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home1.gte.net/deconblu/

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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 02:09:45 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (WILLIAM L BALLINGER)
Subject: Q-jet manifolds

Though the message is not addressed to me, I hope you won't mind if I share
my experience with Q-jets.
I have used the Q-jet on my Fords for a few years, and have to say that it
is the best carb for everyday work made. They aren't as easy to rebuild, and
will need a kit sooner than a Holley, but they make up for it in good
mileage and emissions. "Emissions?", you ask,"why worry about that on a 65
F250 4X4?" Lean, clean burning with good calbrate enrichment is the best
thing you can do for your rig. It saves plugs and ring seal, and keeps the
spouse from asking "$30 for gas again?" I've never had a Holley that could
compare with the Q-jet for daily use.
Racing is another story, but thats another topic. On to the subject at hand.
You wont find many spread-bore intakes for Fords. The 385 series are the
only ones I know of. The Q-jet came on the 429 in '71, and in some
applications on the 460 later. My guess would be light-duty emissions
applications, so car or 1/2 ton up until these standards came to the 3/4
tons, sorry to be so vague, but the dates would be difficult to pin down.
Autolite made a spead-bore for these engines also, but I've never compared
the bolt pattern, anyone?
I've done very well with the Edelbrock Performer and a Mr. Gasket adapter
for my stuff. The throat of the adapter is shaped to direct the secondary
flow to the center of the plenum, creating turbulence under the carb. I
think it is as good as a dedicated manifold for street work. If I were
running balls-out all the time , I'd run a double-pumper anyway.
One of the main reasons I prefer the Q-jet can be explained by this
experience. When I bought my truck, It had a shiny new Holley on it, and it
sounded okay. I did the normal stuff, set the idle mixture, float height,and
choke to their best settings. It ran as good as a Holley could do at idle
and low-speed, but it would burn your eyes when you pulled it in the shop.
You could smell it for five minutes after you shut it off. The plugs were
black and sooty. We put together an '82 electric-choke non-feedback Q-jet....


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