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fordtrucks61-79-digest Sunday, March 15 1998 Volume 02 : Number 149



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In this issue:

Re: 351's [George Herpich ]
Re: Reliability Tricks While On the Stand [George Herpich
Today is the day! [pickup65 juno.com (Jon E Purut)]
Re: windshields [CAT LN7 ]
76 F250 Highboy ["Brett" ]
Engine Wars - some basics [SuperMagot ]
RE: Towing [Sleddog ]
Re: Intro [sdelanty ]
Re: Window Felts. ["Deacon" ]
Re: 351s ["Harry Jennings" ]
Re: Today is the day! ["Chris Hedemark" ]
Re: 351's [Kurt Albershardt ]
Re: Intro ["Deacon" ]
Re: 76 F250 Highboy [Brian ]
RE: 351s [Sleddog ]
RE: 351's [Sleddog ]
Re: 4.3 GM as Ford Truck Engine [JRFiero ]
RE: 351C and 429/460 [GEGK00A prodigy.com ( DAN LEE)]
speedometer cable [BDIJXS ]
Bronco Body Mounts [BDIJXS ]
Window Felts [BDIJXS ]
Re: 351C and 429/460 [ACrescent ]
Re: Ranchero info [Ken Payne ]
Re: Ranchero info [mmcewen gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John McEwen)]
Re: Engine Wars - some basics ["Chris Hedemark" ]
Re: 300 I-6 [dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)]
AARRGH! and intro [marko ]

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 05:56:14 -0500
From: George Herpich
Subject: Re: 351's

Dave Williams wrote:
>
> -> However, at higher RPMs the limiting factors of each engine are just
> -> as I said. The weakest point of the W is the crank and the weakest
> -> point of the C is the block. That doesn't mean either are weak
> -> just those are the weakest points of each engine.
>
> Hmm... the Windsor crank is a *hawg*; in everything but the stroke it
> could be out of a big block. I've never seen anyone break one, though
> I'm sure it has happened. Some people could break a crowbar in a
> sandbox, then lose one of the pieces.

Crank breakage isn't the problem. It's bearing speed due to the overly
large main
journals. That's why you can't spin them as high as a C.

George

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:05:59 -0500
From: George Herpich
Subject: Re: Reliability Tricks While On the Stand

Marv Miller wrote:
>
> DC Beatty wrote:
> > Subject: RE: Cloyes roller chain
> > Here's my thinking: While the motor is on the engine stand I want to
> > do as much as I can to make it as trouble free as I can.
>
> Since it's on the stand, don't forget to open up the hole where the oil
> enters the block from the pump to a 1/2 inch hole. This is a standard
> rebuild thing, but often overlooked. The factory sized hole is woefully
> too small. I believe it's a stock 3/8 inch. MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE TO
> GET ALL THE DRILL SHAVINGS OUT!!! Even if it means disassembling the
> entire engine to flush out the galleries. This is best done before the
> engine goes to the hot tank in the first place.
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Good tip. I don't know if you can still get them or if they'll work in a
truck but the 427 oil filter adapter has much larger passages and is a
good match for the enlarged passage Marv spoke of. I just bought one
a few years ago from Ford. 428cj uses it too, I think.
George

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:34:18 -0500
From: pickup65 juno.com (Jon E Purut)
Subject: Today is the day!

Well Gents, I am going to get the 64 F350 today. I thought this day would
never get here. I still have to load everything up and find out why the
brake lights on the Chebby truck I borrowed fail to work. It is always
something!

I mistyped my last post and stated that I was going to use a tow dolly to
pull it back. I should have said tow bar.

Chris, we can go to any BBQ joint you want either in the Durham/Chapel
Hill area or here in Raleigh. The good ones here are Clyde Cooper's or
the Barbecue Lodge. Let me know.

Jon E. Purut
Pickup65 juno.com
JCPurut worldnet.att.net
Web Site Under Construction

1964 F350 (coming today)
1965 F100 SWB Daily Driver
1965 F100
1977 F150
1970 Mustang Fastback
1993 Escort Wagon (wifes car) This car is for sale

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:00:44 EST
From: CAT LN7
Subject: Re: windshields

>Yes it's true. I had my windshield on my 71 replaced recently and the glass
>guy told me all the trucks from 67 to 79 use the same windshield.
>
>I wonder if Deacon has anything to say about that.
>
>marko in vancouver

I had the windshield replaced a few years ago on my 67. They had to get a
different windshield than they originally ordered. The glass shop said I
probably had a late 67 because the windshield that was delivered had rounded
upper corners vice the sharp corners that the 68-79's have. I didn't see what
they got, but I thought I'd pass that along.

Chris Thompson
67 F100 240/ 3sp (soon to be 302/C4)
68 Cougar DGS 302/C4
82 Merc LN7 1.6L/4sp

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:14:08 -0600
From: "Brett"
Subject: 76 F250 Highboy

Hi, I'm new to the list and I'm starting to look at trucks. I looked at a
1976 F250 Highboy 4x4 a couple days ago. When I drove it the front end
darted all over the place. It did have a 3" body lift on it. I am new to
the world of older trucks so I'm wondering if this is normal. If it isn't
what could be wrong and how would you go about fixing it. Thanks.

Brett

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:40:01 EST
From: SuperMagot
Subject: Engine Wars - some basics

I have seen alot of posts about such and such engine being better than
another.

Well I have a few points too make:

Physics does not care about brand names. It doesnot care about personal
feelings, and it doesnot care about what someone might think.

All engines essentially do the same thing. They pump air. Bigger engines in
general, pump more air. More efficent engines pump more air. More air = more
power. Some engines are built sturdier than others, and others are built to
rev higher.

The best thing you can do, is think about what you want, before you buy it or
start modifiying it. The next thing you do is apply some common sense and do
some research.

I just hate to see people either bashing or putting certain engines on
pedastals.
Besides, given enough money and time, a person can make any engine outperform
any other engine in any given class...

And keep in mind, they are just chunks of metal with some moving parts.
and may the best chunk of metal win...

- - Mike

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:45:54 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Towing

Should I risk it and just 2-wheel dolly an obviously heavier Ford
truck behind my Isuzu?


Dan

no, drive the ford, tow the izuzu.

if you used molly rings in the 390, they are already broken in, so don't
worry about break in. even so, i would recommend changing engine rpms very
often on that long drive home.

sleddog

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:44:59 -0800
From: sdelanty
Subject: Re: Intro

>Hello All,
>
> Just going to de-lurk for a few posts here. I've been reading for
>a few months, just about all of my questions have been answered by
>now. I feel like I know all the regulars here pretty well - Hey
>deacon, I see your on your stool in the corner again.

Yeah, Deacon is usually on that stool til 2am when the bartender
throws Him out! (-:

>Is that stool a woodie?

Ummm, no I think Deacon's just happy to see You...

>Hi Steve D. (briefly looks up from computer, hey), Don, we
>must be neighbors

Hey Pat!
You betcha, You, Don, and I is neighbors! I'm in Geyserville.
You're in Sebastopol eh? We should get together at the Powerhouse
sometime and B.S. about trucks and stuff. I haven't been there for
quite a while. (for the rest of You, the Powerhouse is one of our
many local brewpubs and is in Sebastopol.) Or maybe Hopland brewery
since Don is farther north. The 3 of us could go pillage the local
wrecking yards for truck parts then go gloat over our victories
with a cold beer! Springtime is almost here and the wrecking yard
mud will be receeding soon...

Later neighbor!

Steve

"This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be
seriously considered as a means of communication.
The device is inherently of no value to us."
-- Western Union internal memo, 1876

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:38:51 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: Window Felts.

>Gillespie, John D. wrote:
>
>> My first choice would be Dennis Carpenters mainly because
they
>> go to the original vehicle/model to match their products to.
>
>
> Got a phone number for these guys?
>
> OX

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dennis-carpenter.com/


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but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines
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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:54:31 CST
From: "Harry Jennings"
Subject: Re: 351s

>From: dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)
>Subject: Re: 351's
>
> Hmm... the Windsor crank is a *hawg*; in everything but the stroke it
>could be out of a big block. I've never seen anyone break one, though
>I'm sure it has happened. Some people could break a crowbar in a
>sandbox, then lose one of the pieces.
>
>
>- -> If it was a myth then why did Ford build a special 351 with a W
type
>- -> block and C type crank? This is the best of the best (at least for
>- -> the 351s). Too bad Ford never put it in a production vehicle.
>
> By the time the SVO motor went into production there were several
>companies tooled up to make forged or billet 351C cranks, plus the
>racing teams who would be buying the SVO blocks already had a sizeable
>investment in 351C cranks sitting right in the shop. It was a
>reasonable adjustment to make the block take the Cleveland-size crank,
>considering it was a unique casting anyway.
*********************************************************************
>From: danadeb pacbell.net
>
>I don't have anything to back this up with but my understanding as to
why SVO
>used the 351C crank was the smaller dia crank main bearings thus less
resistance
>= higher performance and there was no high strength 351W crank at that
time.
>
>Like I said I don't know where I read this but I thought I would toss
in my $.02
>
>Dana
>
********************************************************************

I think you are both right. All I was trying to do was point out the
main differences between all the different 351s. as you guys are saying,
both the W and C are good and stong overall. However, as I pointed out,
the best of the best is the special 351 (W block and a C crank) which
falls right behind the 351 Boss (if you think it is differenct enough
form a C to be called a different engine....:))

So, yes, any 351 can be races, uh...well...um, not the M!...;)

BTW, I don't think the W crank has a problem with breaking (as long as
you have a good one). It is more of a oiling problem and what Dana
mentioned. Again, it doesn't have an oiling problem that any of s would
notice (I am talking 8000 RPM here). And even then it isn't really a
problem, just when compared to a C crank.

Later,

Harry.



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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:33:19 -0500
From: "Chris Hedemark"
Subject: Re: Today is the day!

>Well Gents, I am going to get the 64 F350 today. I thought this day would
>never get here. I still have to load everything up and find out why the
>brake lights on the Chebby truck I borrowed fail to work. It is always
>something!


Hey let us know how it goes. Congrats! I am going out tomorrow to talk to
the guy with the 66 F100. I called on Friday and got the guy's dad. Turns
out whatever line of work he's in he drives all over the place so he's
driving from a little north of Durham, NC to Washington, D.C. and half the
time he goes up there he takes the '66. So it sounds like he must feel the
truck is pretty dependable if he takes it that kind of distance. Anyway the
owner is expected to be home for a sunday afternoon visit, so I'll go over
after church and probably make an offer then. The downside is that he won't
budge from $1,200 according to the father. Does that sound high for a '66
2WD that runs? Okay I know I'm not giving enough to go on. I was thinking
more like $800 but we'll see.

>Chris, we can go to any BBQ joint you want either in the Durham/Chapel
>Hill area or here in Raleigh. The good ones here are Clyde Cooper's or
>the Barbecue Lodge. Let me know.


Tell you what, once I get my truck (hopefully next week!) we'll meet up,
B.S. about our trucks, and get stuffed on some smoked pig.

Chris Hedemark
Yonder Way
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:57:55 -0800
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: Re: 351's

At 05:56 AM 3/14/98 -0500, George Herpich wrote:
>> Hmm... the Windsor crank is a *hawg*; in everything but the stroke it
>> could be out of a big block. I've never seen anyone break one, though
>> I'm sure it has happened. Some people could break a crowbar in a
>> sandbox, then lose one of the pieces.
>
>Crank breakage isn't the problem. It's bearing speed due to the overly
>large main
>journals. That's why you can't spin them as high as a C.

Makes sense. Still, I have to wonder how a difference of 8.3% could make
_too_ much difference in the max RPM unless there's some threshold on
bearing surface materials.

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:04:45 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: Intro

From: Pat Brown
> I feel like I know all the regulars here pretty well - Hey
>deacon, I see your on your stool in the corner again. Is that stool
>a woodie?

This is a corner? Thank God, I thought it was my eyes playin'
tricks! I hope it's a stool, but it could explain this grin if it isn't!

>Hi Steve D. (briefly looks up from computer, hey), Don, we
>must be neighbors

Don's alright but hooking up with Delanty your in trouble. His tatoo
of Timothy Leary is a dead give away to the path he'll take you down! :)

>Mushroom clouds on the horizon - Ahh,
>somebody drove a Che** by Stu's house.

Stu has life wiped. He's a school teacher. Everyone sees him at his
computer all day long and think he's working. He starts the kids with
C's and D's and gives them A's and B's at the end of the year. Then he
tells everyone how all the work he did was worth it, just to see the
overall improvement in the kids!
There is no truth to the rumor his hatred for GM was the result of
having a Vaga for a first car and was teased relentlessly by the other
kids. No truth to it at all! :)

>Gary, Azie, Sleddog, is there
>ANYTHING you guy's don't know about Ford Trucks?

Some of our members have a lot of experience with Ford trucks. When
you've been around them so long your first impression was there's no
place to hook a horse to it, you tend to know a lot about them. Not that
these guys are old, I was just saying some of our members are. :)

>Previous owner had Mira*l* apply white over the
>original red, now it looks like it has a bad case of the measles.

That sounds ugly. You could put yellow on top of that. Then the red and
white can bleed through and it would look like an infection. :{

>Previous truck was a '68 F-100 ranger, 390/C6, loved that truck
>but it just didn't do well with a cabover camper, wife, two kids, weeks
>worth of food and favorite adult beverages aboard.

That's it. You've got Steve thanking Pagan gods for you! ;]

Good to have you Pat.
Later!


Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
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but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines
==============================================================
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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:52:56 -0500
From: Brian
Subject: Re: 76 F250 Highboy

> 1976 F250 Highboy 4x4 a couple days ago. When I drove it the front end
> darted all over the place. I
>
> what could be wrong and how would you go about fixing it. Thanks.
>
> Hey Brett...Welcome.

Many things can cause the truck to wander. From worn ball joints, to
bad tie rod ends to a bent spindle etc. Even oversized tires will make
it wander. Best bet is to have a shop check it out if your not sure what
to look for. Also I'm not sure if the '76 has the wish bone style
steering but somebody out there on the list does. This type of steering
was a poor design and can be easily replaced with a newer set-up.

Brian
>

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:36:04 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: 351s

So, yes, any 351 can be races, uh...well...um, not the M!...;)

Later,

Harry.

well, you can't race an M???

if truck/tractor pulling, drag racing, tuff truck, mud bogs, etc are
considered racing, then it can be - and succesfully too!

but, it would not really be a 351, but the 400M instead, with 4V heads etc.
i know, because there are a few out there that are really runnin' hot. in
fact, some have more than 400 cubes, and turn in excess of 6500 rpms.

disclaimer - i never actually built one myself, but i have competed against
them, and even lost with my mild 460. (mild=under 600 horse in this case)

this year i'll get them thogh! aiming for the 750 hp mark with a 521
caliber big gun! :)

sleddog

ps- i must admit, i am prejudice against the M motors, but when i said they
couldn't be a good performance engine, i was proven wrong.

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:39:03 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: 351's

viscous drag (as in oil, or air flow) increases by the square, or is it by
the cube? can't remember, but it is not linear and therefore the 8.3% is
like 8.3 squared, or cubed. much bigger difference now.

sleddog

- ----------
From: Kurt Albershardt[SMTP:kurt nv.net]
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 1998 1:57 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net; fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: 351's

At 05:56 AM 3/14/98 -0500, George Herpich wrote:
>> Hmm... the Windsor crank is a *hawg*; in everything but the stroke it
>> could be out of a big block. I've never seen anyone break one, though
>> I'm sure it has happened. Some people could break a crowbar in a
>> sandbox, then lose one of the pieces.
>
>Crank breakage isn't the problem. It's bearing speed due to the overly
>large main
>journals. That's why you can't spin them as high as a C.

Makes sense. Still, I have to wonder how a difference of 8.3% could make
_too_ much difference in the max RPM unless there's some threshold on
bearing surface materials.









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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:36:30 EST
From: JRFiero
Subject: Re: 4.3 GM as Ford Truck Engine

Thought you 61-79 guys might want to weigh in on this old list subject.
RJC988 wrote, among other things -
3.) My latest engine choice (and here come the flames!) is a
4.3 litre V6
> and overdrive from a late model GM minivan or truck. Has anyone
tried (or
> heard) of this? I want power but fuel ecomony as well. Mechanics are
very keen on these engines, so
> they must be able to work on them.
>>
Well, I don't see the point. A 4.3 is 262+ inches, not much more economical
that a 302 or 289. Its 3/4 of a 350 Chevy, basically. Its not the same at
all as the various Buick V6s, and totally different than the 2.8/3.4 Chevy,
which someone suggested to the author of the post. The 2.8 is a 60 degree V6,
would be lost in the Ford engine bay. Its also gutless without lots of work
and the right computer.
Back to the 4.3. Don't be lookin' for too much economy, especially if you
want any power out of it. My Syclone was a turbo, intercooled 4.3, which at
280hp was OK, but got 16mpg on its best highway days. Once again, you'll need
a good computer to get the most out of it. You can probably build a V8 with a
better power/economy package.

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 18:48:53, -0500
From: GEGK00A prodigy.com ( DAN LEE)
Subject: RE: 351C and 429/460

>>The 351 Cleveland was first produced for the 1971 model year and
>>discontinued by the 1974 model year.


>You sure about this? I could swear that the 1970 Mustangs were
available
>with Clevelands (and, true, 1973 was the last year in that model for
the
>Cleveland).

The 351C was available in Mustangs and Torinos in 1970 (and maybe
1969).

Dan Lee
'53 F100
351C-4V

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:25:13 EST
From: BDIJXS
Subject: speedometer cable

On my last post, I was talking about the speedometer cable going into the
transmission instead of the transfer case....OK, I'm a little slow, but while
drinking coffee in bed this morning, I realized the cable should go in the
transfer case since the new 205 has TWO speeds...meaning the speedometer
output in low would not be correct....

Hope I posted this before I get ripped by the high-tech guys....

Colorado Jeff

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:41:50 EST
From: BDIJXS
Subject: Bronco Body Mounts

Hey OX,

Note in my last post that most of the stuff from JCW is not that hot...but I
did order a set of urethane body mounts from them...I felt safe because they
were made by Pro-thane, the same stuff you would get from your 4x4 shop, only
more expensive. Now, these were replacements for the rubber parts only, and
didn't come with the big washers and other specialized metal parts....If all
you need is the rubber replacement, at least check their prices before getting
them somewhere else...

Hope this helps...

By the way, thanks for the input on the gear ratios....

Colorado Jeff

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:41:58 EST
From: BDIJXS
Subject: Window Felts

Hi Tom,

Richard is correct about JCW. Some good things can be had from them if they
are a name brand (like Superlift, etc.). But I've bought two or three things
with rubber parts (steering knuckle covers, weatherstrip) and in every case,
it came apart after about 2 months...

Go with the good stuff...

Colorado Jeff

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:56:11 EST
From: ACrescent
Subject: Re: 351C and 429/460

In a message dated 98-03-14 18:50:55 EST, you write:

You sure about this? I could swear that the 1970 Mustangs were
available
>with Clevelands (and, true, 1973 was the last year in that model for
the
>Cleveland).

The 351C was available in Mustangs and Torinos in 1970 (and maybe
1969).

Dan Lee
'53 F100 >>

Yep...I had two Torinos. A 70 and a 71. Both came with 351C's.

Anthony

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:16:39 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Ranchero info

At 02:45 PM 3/12/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Hello all:
>
>I have a '76 Ranchero 500 and am looking for rear wheel-opening sheet
>metal. If anyone knows of a source I would appreciate some information.
>Note that the lower rear quarters of this Ranchero are the same as Torino
>from '73-'76.

Dearborn Classics, 1-800-252-7427
www.dearbornclassics.com

East West Auto, 1-800-447-2886

Highway Classics, 909-592-8819

>
>I would also like to find a picture of this '76 Ranchero taken from the
>rear. I can't find any information as to the correct rear badge and chrome
>for the tailgate. Does anyone have a picture or something from an original
>brochure that might show this? There are several possibilities but know
>one I have talked to is certain what is correct for '76.

Don't know about a 76, buts there a picture of a 79 on the web
site from the side/back. Its not very large so it probably
won't help but the owner's email address is listed.

>
>In connection with the current thread on engine swapping, can someone tell
>me the weights of the 351M and the 460? I have considered a swap.
>Finally, is there a Ford four-barrel manifold available that will fit a
>351M and if so, would the change be worthwhile in terms of performance and
>economy?
>
>Thanks for any help you may be able to offer me.
>
>John McEwen
>
>A newbie Ford guy
>

Don't want to toot my own horn but the Truck/Ranchero Restoration
Resources guide I sell on the web site has sources for you. I
sell it for the same price as the publisher (proceeds pay for the
web site and list expences). Ranchero parts are really hard
to find because of the limited production numbers (I pulled those
three phone numbers out of the guide). I think someone here
mentioned that they were hand-built. We have a few Ranchero
owners here but since the majority of the posts are about the
F series we don't get to hear from them too often.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:31:53 -0700
From: mmcewen gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John McEwen)
Subject: Re: Ranchero info

Hi Ken:

Thanks for the response and the information. I had about given up hope
that there were any Ranchero people on the list. While I find the posts
about Ford PUs interesting they are not too relevant to my current project.
This is the first Ford vehicle which I have owned (of 152 cars/trucks over
the years) I have owned Ford products - 3 Mercs, 2 T-Birds and 2 Lincolns
- - this is the first Ford and obviously the first Ranchero. I am finding it
an enjoyable and very solid vehicle.

John McEwen


>At 02:45 PM 3/12/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>Hello all:
>>
>>I have a '76 Ranchero 500 and am looking for rear wheel-opening sheet
>>metal. If anyone knows of a source I would appreciate some information.
>>Note that the lower rear quarters of this Ranchero are the same as Torino
>>from '73-'76.
>
>Dearborn Classics, 1-800-252-7427
>www.dearbornclassics.com
>
>East West Auto, 1-800-447-2886
>
>Highway Classics, 909-592-8819
>
>>
>>I would also like to find a picture of this '76 Ranchero taken from the
>>rear. I can't find any information as to the correct rear badge and chrome
>>for the tailgate. Does anyone have a picture or something from an original
>>brochure that might show this? There are several possibilities but know
>>one I have talked to is certain what is correct for '76.
>
>Don't know about a 76, buts there a picture of a 79 on the web
>site from the side/back. Its not very large so it probably
>won't help but the owner's email address is listed.
>
>>
>>In connection with the current thread on engine swapping, can someone tell
>>me the weights of the 351M and the 460? I have considered a swap.
>>Finally, is there a Ford four-barrel manifold available that will fit a
>>351M and if so, would the change be worthwhile in terms of performance and
>>economy?
>>
>>Thanks for any help you may be able to offer me.
>>
>>John McEwen
>>
>>A newbie Ford guy
>>
>
>Don't want to toot my own horn but the Truck/Ranchero Restoration
>Resources guide I sell on the web site has sources for you. I
>sell it for the same price as the publisher (proceeds pay for the
>web site and list expences). Ranchero parts are really hard
>to find because of the limited production numbers (I pulled those
>three phone numbers out of the guide). I think someone here
>mentioned that they were hand-built. We have a few Ranchero
>owners here but since the majority of the posts are about the
>F series we don't get to hear from them too often.
>
>Ken Payne
>Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
>http://www.ford-trucks.com
>
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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:40:51 -0500
From: "Chris Hedemark"
Subject: Re: Engine Wars - some basics

[snip a bunch]
>And keep in mind, they are just chunks of metal with some moving parts.
>and may the best chunk of metal win...


If this is how you really feel, why are you into old trucks at all?
Wouldn't it be more logical for you to buy a new truck with a OHC engine
that pumps more air with less cubes? I think that when you talk about
hobbies like this, or affinities for old trucks as daily drivers, logic
takes a back seat to appeal.

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 08:13:00 -0500
From: dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)
Subject: Re: 300 I-6

- -> FWIW, the non-crossflow head is much less of an limitation for
- -> low-mid RPM truck applications than it is for racing. It also makes
- -> the turbo plumbing much easier.

The non-crossflow is actually a better layout. With both ports on the
same side swirl in the chamber is enhanced and there's less bleed-over
from intake to exhaust on overlap. Ford heavily promoted the
"crossflow" Kent four when it came out in the '60s, replacing the
earlier, non-crossflow design. The crossflow made more power, but Ford
also changed the combustion chamber and cam, so it wasn't a direct
comparison.

The major advantage of the crossflow is simplification of manifolding
and of the sand cores in the cylinder head. Some non-crossflow designs
also had problems with cracking due to all the holes in one side of the
head, but those were production problems not related to performance.

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:25:21 -0800
From: marko
Subject: AARRGH! and intro

Well, as I sit here in my corner with my milk and pocketful of Canadian
pesos, I am glad that in a backward kind of way the list did the right thing
for me today.

Since I didn't get any answers on my turn signal post, I had to figure it
out for myself. It's kind of simple, really. The blue wire on every 67-72
is power. The blue and orange (blue and yellow) one is for the horn. One
of the remaining five wires is a ground.

For the rest, it's easy. You unplug the brake light switch, then jump a
wire from the hot on that thing to the female plug on the dash harness that....


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