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fordtrucks61-79-digest Saturday, March 14 1998 Volume 02 : Number 148



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In this issue:

Re: Mine is bigger... ["Dennis K. Austin" ]
Re: New Web Site ["Dennis K. Austin" ]
Re: Window Felts ["Ronald D. Miller" ]
Re: Window Felts ["Deacon" ]
NP 205 Transfer Case [BDIJXS ]
Re: Mine is bigger... [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: Mine is bigger... [FoMoCoNUT2 ]
FE Engine Guide [SNBP ]
Re: 351's [dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)]
Re: 500 hp and 20 mpg ["Harry Jennings" ]
Re: Mine is bigger... [Don Grossman ]
Intro [Pat Brown ]
'61 Unibody for sale [Pat Brown ]
Reliability Tricks While On the Stand [Marv Miller ]
RE: 67/73 steering gear [Pat Brown ]
Re: Mine is bigger... [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: 351's [danadeb pacbell.net]
AAARGH!!!TURN SIGNALS!!! HELP!!! [marko ]
instructions [TWASS ]
instructions [TWASS ]

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:31:46 -0600
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: Re: Mine is bigger...

Gee ....Dana yours maybe bigger, but mine looks so small I think I could
stand in the engine compartment and work on it. Bet, mine will get
better gas mileage. Oh...for the want of some real POWER!!!! To be
or not to be?? Wife says its still an ugly truck. Honest though I
really can't feel the power under that huge hood. Is it just the engine
or is 40 coming up too soon and dulling my senses?

- -=DENNIS=-

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:39:16 -0600
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: Re: New Web Site

I hope Ken won't mind my posting this, but I wrote a new Web page
(haven't done that in about six years) for a motorcycle rally. I know
from some of the posts that some of you guys have the two wheel varity
of vehicle that you strap to your asterik and going flying down the
road. Do you like your gum crunchy too?

You are all invited to look at it and are invited to come down and visit
here in Shreveport.
The address is http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.softdisk.com/sites/rumble

So, plan to load your favorite motorcycle in your Ford pickup and haul
on down to Shreveport in May for a big party!

Please pass this link on... I volunteered this thing and still working
out the kinks with Softdisk.

Thanks!
- -=DENNIS=-

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 98 19:53:45 -0500
From: "Ronald D. Miller"
Subject: Re: Window Felts

Auto Krafters sells exact reproduction weatherstrips for 53-79 Ford
F-Series including window felts (beltline weatherstrips). Info at
800-228-7346 or web site. Thanks

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.auto krafters. com

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:57:30 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: Window Felts

From: Ronald D. Miller
>Auto Krafters sells exact reproduction weatherstrips for 53-79 Ford
>F-Series including window felts (beltline weatherstrips).

Did I read some place they were giving Ford Truck Enthusiasts list
Members a discount? Or am I just making this whole thing up trying to
get something they haven't offered. :) I have been told my memory's so
good I remember things that never happened or haven't happened yet! ;]


Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:09:49 EST
From: BDIJXS
Subject: NP 205 Transfer Case

Hey RockCrusher Tranny People,

I just picked up an NP-205 transfer case out of a 77 F-150 4x4 (4-speed) for
my 69 F-100 4x4. I've been running the one speed Dana (21 I think?) out of a
74 with an NP manual trans with granny low, again, out of a 74. My question
is, am I pretty safe with assuming that the two trannys will be the same, at
least the same output shaft? I picked up the adapter housing out of the 77,
looks like it will bolt right up to my 74 tranny. I don't know my NP trannys
that well, were they basically all the same model (435 I think?) Here's what
the tag says on the 77 tranny: D7TA7 D03 RB 435 (I'm pretty sure that 6th
character is a "D", but it may be a "0" or "O"). Below this number was: 9 15
76 (the date I think) FL 141...

Since this 74 tranny I have is an almost new Ford rebuilt unit, the little ID
tag is missing, but I would like to continue to use it, its just now getting
broken in...

One other slight difference (I think) is the speedometer cables. The cable for
the 77 came out of the transfer case, I think my 74 setup has it coming out of
the tranny. I'll double-check this this weekend. If this is true, I just have
to plug the hole on the transfer case...

Has anyone done this kind of update?

I'm hoping I won't have to change the cross-member as well....most likely have
to re-route one of the exhausts, though...

Thanks!

Colorado Jeff

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:31:55 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Mine is bigger...

I remember the good old days when I had a 351W in a 56 F100 and a tilt front
end. I would sit on the front tire to do any engine work. Now I need a step
stool and I have to hang upside down just to add oil!!!

This is my rule-O-thumb for engine size:

up to 3500 lbs a 351W great power / economy

3500 lbs to 5000 lbs GO 460 great power / who cares about economy


Dana

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:21:57 EST
From: FoMoCoNUT2
Subject: Re: Mine is bigger...

In a message dated 98-03-13 21:25:22 EST, you write:

>


An old man I once worked for said it like this...... " Some men spend it on
booze, cigerettes and/or gambling... there is nothing wrong with a vice for a
responsible man... Mine just happens to be gas for/and the truck I WANT to
drive"

John Miller

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:52:16 EST
From: SNBP
Subject: FE Engine Guide

The April issue of Car Craft magazine has some good info on FE engines and
also some basic info on ring and pinion gears for those that may be
interested.

Jim.......77F-100, LWB, Custom Cab, 351-M

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:45:00 -0500
From: dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)
Subject: Re: 351's

- -> However, at higher RPMs the limiting factors of each engine are just
- -> as I said. The weakest point of the W is the crank and the weakest
- -> point of the C is the block. That doesn't mean either are weak
- -> just those are the weakest points of each engine.

Hmm... the Windsor crank is a *hawg*; in everything but the stroke it
could be out of a big block. I've never seen anyone break one, though
I'm sure it has happened. Some people could break a crowbar in a
sandbox, then lose one of the pieces.


- -> If it was a myth then why did Ford build a special 351 with a W type
- -> block and C type crank? This is the best of the best (at least for
- -> the 351s). Too bad Ford never put it in a production vehicle.

By the time the SVO motor went into production there were several
companies tooled up to make forged or billet 351C cranks, plus the
racing teams who would be buying the SVO blocks already had a sizeable
investment in 351C cranks sitting right in the shop. It was a
reasonable adjustment to make the block take the Cleveland-size crank,
considering it was a unique casting anyway.

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:12:39 CST
From: "Harry Jennings"
Subject: Re: 500 hp and 20 mpg

In a recent issue of Car Craft the held their annual Real Streat
Eliminators. One of the cars was a Mustang convertible. The car had a
supercharged 302, an AOD, and fairly low gears. The car got 24.? mpg.

Not quite 500 hp, but close. And with a 5-speed and 3.55:1 gears the car
would have still been fast and gotten even better mileage!

BTW, CC tries to get fairly low-buck cars for their RSE contest. So the
car wasn't too high dollar.

Harry.

Visit me at
HREF="http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/3271/index.html">my new
web page.


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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:32:28 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: Mine is bigger...

danadeb pacbell.net wrote:

> I remember the good old days when I had a 351W in a 56 F100 and a tilt front
> end. I would sit on the front tire to do any engine work. Now I need a step
> stool and I have to hang upside down just to add oil!!!
>
> This is my rule-O-thumb for engine size:
>
> up to 3500 lbs a 351W great power / economy
>
> 3500 lbs to 5000 lbs GO 460 great power / who cares about economy
>
> Dana
>

Ok Dana, what do you use for a truck over 5000lbs?

I had to ask ;)

Don

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:04:57 -0800
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Intro

Hello All,

Just going to de-lurk for a few posts here. I've been reading for
a few months, just about all of my questions have been answered by
now. I feel like I know all the regulars here pretty well - Hey
deacon, I see your on your stool in the corner again. Is that stool
a woodie? Hi Steve D. (briefly looks up from computer, hey), Don, we
must be neighbors - Jeff's '64 Crew cab intrigues me, I saw an early
crew cab in Santa Rosa (CA) a few weeks ago - flatbed. Who is that in
the corner, holding a couple gallons of milk? Must be Marko. Trying to
trade milk for headers again. Mushroom clouds on the horizon - Ahh,
somebody drove a Che** by Stu's house. Gary, Azie, Sleddog, is there
ANYTHING you guy's don't know about Ford Trucks?

I have a 1970 F-250 Crew cab, 360 / T-18 / Custom cab. Thinking about
restoring, or at least a well deserved preservation effort, in
particular paint. Previous owner had Mira*l* apply white over the
original red, now it looks like it has a bad case of the measles. At
only 130k, the 360 is still kind of tired (you mean it's not getting
better?) and the 460/C6 (76 Mercasauris wagon) in the driveway is lookin
good. Previous truck was a '68 F-100 ranger, 390/C6, loved that truck
but it just didn't do well with a cabover camper, wife, two kids, weeks
worth of food and favorite adult beverages aboard. Sold it at 196k
miles,
still going strong.

Anyway, enough about me for now. Back to the real discussions.

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, CA
'70 F250
'94 T-bird (Wife's ride)
'83 280 ZX (Daughter's. Where did I go wrong? :-)
'87 Bronco II (Son)

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:12:49 -0800
From: Pat Brown
Subject: '61 Unibody for sale

Hello All,

I just spotted a '61 F-100 unibody for sale here in Northern California,
truck is located at the Sonoma County fairgrounds (weekend car-mart).
Looked pretty rough, but running. $600. (707) 763-8882. Not mine,
nor do I know whose. Just passing along info.

Pat Brown

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:28:32 -0800
From: Marv Miller
Subject: Reliability Tricks While On the Stand

DC Beatty wrote:
> Subject: RE: Cloyes roller chain
> Here's my thinking: While the motor is on the engine stand I want to
> do as much as I can to make it as trouble free as I can.

Since it's on the stand, don't forget to open up the hole where the oil
enters the block from the pump to a 1/2 inch hole. This is a standard
rebuild thing, but often overlooked. The factory sized hole is woefully
too small. I believe it's a stock 3/8 inch. MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE TO
GET ALL THE DRILL SHAVINGS OUT!!! Even if it means disassembling the
entire engine to flush out the galleries. This is best done before the
engine goes to the hot tank in the first place.

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:22:34 -0800
From: Pat Brown
Subject: RE: 67/73 steering gear

Hi Dana,

My '68 F-100 had a slow leak in the PS box (Bendix integral) turn
into a quart a week (At least!). After replacing all the seals
- - the hardest part was finding them, Bendix being a footnote in the
parts catalog, it still leaked. Turned out to be an o-ring on the
input shaft / valve torsion bar. It looked like it was leaking out
the middle of the input shaft, because it was. After discovering this,
the repair manual said 'No further disassembly can be done'. Figuring
I needed a new one anyway, I pressed the assembly apart, put in a 10
cent o-ring, pressed everything back together, it worked fine.

Hope this helps,
Pat Brown
Sebastopol, CA

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 23:14:59 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Mine is bigger...

Don Grossman wrote:
>

> Ok Dana, what do you use for a truck over 5000lbs?
>
> I had to ask ;)
>
> Don


A 460 with a blower and nitrous!!!!! ;)

Dana

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 23:25:57 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: 351's

Dave Williams wrote:
>
>
> -> If it was a myth then why did Ford build a special 351 with a W type
> -> block and C type crank? This is the best of the best (at least for
> -> the 351s). Too bad Ford never put it in a production vehicle.
>
> By the time the SVO motor went into production there were several
> companies tooled up to make forged or billet 351C cranks, plus the
> racing teams who would be buying the SVO blocks already had a sizeable
> investment in 351C cranks sitting right in the shop. It was a
> reasonable adjustment to make the block take the Cleveland-size crank,
> considering it was a unique casting anyway.


I don't have anything to back this up with but my understanding as to why SVO
used the 351C crank was the smaller dia crank main bearings thus less resistance
= higher performance and there was no high strength 351W crank at that time.

Like I said I don't know where I read this but I thought I would toss in my $.02

Dana





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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:26:55 -0800
From: marko
Subject: AAARGH!!!TURN SIGNALS!!! HELP!!!

Okay, as you know I'm building a 67 mercury pu body on a 71 f250 4x4
chassis, total resto, chemical strip etc.

I am putting the 71 body (rusty but solid) on the 67 mercury 2wd running
gear for a shop truck. I am almost done, but have a PROBLEM!

I had to swap steering columns. The mercury had the old style two plugs
from the column, the 71 ford has a single plug.

I THOUGHT I marked all the wires carefully, drew diagrams, and carefully
popped the wires out of the plugs, and put the wires in I THOUGHT the proper
slots in the 71 plug which goes into the 71 cab in which the 67 column now
sits.

I plugged everything back in. Now, to my amazement, when you put on the
right signal the horn sounds. I guess I won't be hitting any pedestrians
stepping off the curb!!

Seriously, if someone on the list has wired a turn signal switch, or even
owns a 71 pickup and could just unplug the darn thing and tell me what color
wire goes where on the plug, I would REALLY appreciate it.

And I'm off to the shop at 9am pacific tomorrow so if you easterners could
do it I'd be doubly grateful.

Please look at the plug that is attached to the column wiring. There is a
pin that sticks out on this plug. Please look at the side where the wires
go IN to the plug, not the side of the plug where the little male end
connectors are.....


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