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fordtrucks61-79-digest Friday, March 13 1998 Volume 02 : Number 147



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In this issue:

Re: Engine wars... [George Herpich ]
Re: Engine wars... [George Herpich ]
Re: ADMIN: Another milestone [FoMoCoNUT2 ]
Re: Window Felts. [Jean and Phillip Johnson ]
Off topic, auto racing? ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
'79 Lincoln 460 [am14 chrysler.com]
'70 Merc [am14 chrysler.com]
352 [am14 chrysler.com]
2000+ members [am14 chrysler.com]
Np 435 [am14 chrysler.com]
4X4xles [John MacNamara ]
67/73 steering gear [BDIJXS ]
RE: Window Felts [RICHARD_GARBER HP-USA-om21.om.hp.com]
RE: Window Felts. ["Gillespie, John D." ]
Re: '66 Ford F100 - possible purchase this/next week [ROSITCH SSRL.SLAC.S]
78 windshield into 69 [Bruce Hart ]
Re: 351C and 429/460 ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: 351's ["Harry Jennings" ]
Re: Frame [Kurt Albershardt ]
Re: NP-445 [Kurt Albershardt ]
Re: Subject: Re: I-6/302 boss head [Kurt Albershardt ]
Re: 351C & Pantera [Kurt Albershardt ]
RE: 352 [DC Beatty ]
RE: 67/73 steering gear [DC Beatty ]
Re: bent crossmembers [SuperMagot ]
Re: Window Felts. [james oxley ]
rubber body mounts [james oxley ]
Re: 360 and 460 swap, lincoln ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Towing [Dan Koster ]
Re: Off topic, auto racing? [George Herpich ]
Re: Burned Valves ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: 66 Ford F100 VIN # [dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)]
Subject: Re: I-6/302 boss head [dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Willi]
Re: 351C & Pantera [George Herpich ]
Re: 360 and 460 swap, lincoln [George Herpich ]
Re: Subject: Re: I-6/302 boss head [George Herpich

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 06:19:53 -0500
From: George Herpich
Subject: Re: Engine wars...

No car ever had a 477. That engine wouldn't come close to fitting in a
lincoln or any
other car or light truck. That was the smaller of two engines in that
series. There
was a 512(?), I don't remember if that was the exact size. They were
great, lumbering beasts with a 3500 rpm governor. They probably weighed
over 1000#.

George

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 06:25:50 -0500
From: George Herpich
Subject: Re: Engine wars...

George Herpich wrote:
>
> No car ever had a 477. That engine wouldn't come close to fitting in a
> lincoln or any
> other car or light truck. That was the smaller of two engines in that
> series. There
> was a 512(?), I don't remember if that was the exact size. They were
> great, lumbering beasts with a 3500 rpm governor. They probably weighed
> over 1000#.

I no sooner hit send and my old brain coughed up the number. 534 not 512

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 06:53:26 EST
From: FoMoCoNUT2
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Another milestone

In a message dated 98-03-13 00:53:21 EST, you write:

>

Congrats and a Job Well Done Ken, Thanks for all your work ! ! !

John Miller

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 06:21:16 -0600
From: Jean and Phillip Johnson
Subject: Re: Window Felts.

> BTW anybody know where I can get window felt for my 79 F250? Those are
> the pieces that actually contact the glass and prevent water from
> sliding down into the door.
> Thanks.
J.C. Whitney has both the door channels and the window felt for almost
all ford trucks. I believe the felt runs around $50 for both windows
and the channels about $30. Both are easy to install and appear to be
exact replacements. I did my 76 F100 in about 45 min.

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:19:32 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Off topic, auto racing?

Anyone know of a news group or list like ours that deals with dirt
track racing, specifically the "Bomber" stock car class? You can
mail me privately so we don't tie up the list.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:26:55 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: '79 Lincoln 460

George writes: >>
If the lincoln is really a '79 you better sell it as is and buy a 460
with the profit. '78 was the last year for 460's in lincoln or any other
passenger car. What you have is a 400.

George is right. '78 was the last year for the 460.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:31:01 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: '70 Merc

dennis writes: >>Does the '70 Marquis with 429/C6 probably have a
9" ?


Mine did.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:40:44 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: 352

Chris writes: >>Is the 352 worth keeping??? Is this a really reliable
engine? I noticed in Edelbrock's catalog that they show Performer
manifold for all FE engines but Performer RPM was not listed for 352.
Is this right? Are there some fundamental differences between a 352
and a 390 that would affect bolt-on parts?

I've owned at least 2 different 352's. They are just as reliable as
any of the FE's. Only difference in any of the FE bolt patterns that I
am aware of is the GT390's and CJ128's carried some weird exhaust
manifold patterns and some were not always interchangeable. If an
intake manifold will bolt on a 390, there is no reason I can think of
why it won't bolt on a 352.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:10:30 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: 2000+ members

Ken writes: >>ts official: just passed 2000 members. Did a count and
there are now 2017 members on the lists. Thanks everyone!

I'd have to say the "THANKS" belong the Key Payne family.

So I say Thanks Ken & family!!


Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:23:18 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Np 435

Dennus writes: >>Lets cuss and discuss a NP435 4 speed top loader.
Are they all the same? What can be expected from them? I have been
told that a shop that specializes in standard transmissions can re-gear
the trasmission to eliminate the granny gear (if they all come with
one)and build the NP into a real street performer. Anybody do this
yet?

As far as I know all the NP 435's have the same gearsets. There may be
more than one inputshaft (splines/length) for Ford/dodge. I'm just not
sure of this.

"Performance Gear" in Lumberton, Ms. (601) 796-2026 has extensive
knowledge of transmissions and transfer cases. Wayne owns & operates
it and is very friendly and knowledgeable. He's personally a C**vy
man, but is the most knowledgeable person I've talked to on trannys.

There also used to be a guy on here from New Venture Gear (formely New
Process). If he is still on here he should be able to talk to us about
the NP trannys.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 07:00:21 -0800
From: John MacNamara
Subject: 4X4xles

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There has been alot of discussion on the list about swapping axles and I
stumbled onto this website. There is alot of useful info on Ford axles
and it may be of some help to those with questions about ford axles.
You can check it out at: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dynatrac.com/index.html .

Hope this is useful

John MacNamara
78 F250 4X4 Supercab

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There has been alot of discussion on the list about swapping axles and
I stumbled onto this website.  There is alot of useful info on Ford
axles and it may be of some help to those with questions about ford axles.   
You can check it out at: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dynatrac.com/index.html
.

Hope this is useful

John MacNamara
78 F250 4X4 Supercab

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:07:12 EST
From: BDIJXS
Subject: 67/73 steering gear

Hey Drew,

4x4 or 4x2? 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, 1-ton?

If its an F-100 4x4, then the answer should be yes to the steering gears
bolting right in. I'm not sure if the 73 F-150 4x4s had the lame "power-
assisted" steering (the sensor and actuator) setup like the 74-75's, but even
if they did, the box should be the same...

Let us know.

Colorado Jeff

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:15:53 -0500
From: RICHARD_GARBER HP-USA-om21.om.hp.com
Subject: RE: Window Felts

Tom,

A strong word of caution. What is it they say, "Live and Learn".
I ordered the window channel and door weather stripping from
JC Whitney for my 61. I thought it was going to save me some money.
The window felt, looked like the original, but it was lacking the
clips to hold it in. It came with glue! The door weather stripping was
the same, but it was not long enough (1.5' short). To make a long
story short, I ended up buying it from Dennis Carpenter. So I bought
it twice. Dennis Carpenter's parts had all the right clips and fit
perfectly.

I now don't even own a JC Whitney catalog. I.M.H.O they sell junk!

To remove the old parts, The wipes are clipped in, remove the window,
and break the clips off (use a needle nose) from inside the door. Just
crush the clips then remove.

Rich
54 F100

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 07:35:33 -0800
From: "Gillespie, John D."
Subject: RE: Window Felts.


Deacon, If a window got felts does it have grounds for a
harassment
lawsuit?
I don't know but it would be a tight squeeze.

BTW anybody know where I can get window felt for my 79 F250?
Those are
the pieces that actually contact the glass and prevent water
from
sliding down into the door.
Thanks.

My first choice would be Dennis Carpenters mainly because they
go to the original vehicle/model to match their products to.

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 07:38:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: ROSITCH SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Subject: Re: '66 Ford F100 - possible purchase this/next week

According to my '66 sales brochure, the two engines available in the
F-100/F-150/F-250 were the 300ci six and the 352ci. The brochure doesn't
mention any other engine option. My '66 F-250 has been fairly trouble-
free until recently it has developed something the old timers call
"morning sickness" (the transmission is a little balky in the morning
- - doesn't shift into third gear until it covers about three miles or so
and won't go into reverse until it's warmed up also). My understanding
is that the O rings in the trans have turned to bakelite and don't allow
things to move smoothly until warmed up. I added some big radial tires
and it rides nicely too! Now I just need some time to swap in my new
390 and get the trans rebuilt......

Good luck on your new adventure!

Don Rositch

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:32:48 -0500
From: Bruce Hart
Subject: 78 windshield into 69

Yes Ken you can.I put a windshield from a 78 in my 69 F-350 fit
perfect,also the rad saddle fits prefect as wll,short one hole for the
hood latch,no problem.The rear window is another story,has to come from
67/72.Bruce

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:44:25 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: 351C and 429/460

> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:00:24 -0500
> From: George Herpich
> Subject: Re: 351C and 429/460

> Good point. I think the pantera was '69 though it had a different
> name then. I don't remember if it was a 351c though. +--------------

Work mate of mine had one and it had the C engine, don't know what
year his was.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:57:03 CST
From: "Harry Jennings"
Subject: Re: 351's

>
> Nope, the BOSS 351 had a cast crank, though Ford claimed it was
>"selected for higher nodularity" like the 289 Hipo cranks. In practice
>it seemed to work just fine; Mario Rossi used them in NASCAR and Jack
>Roush used them in Pro Stock, though both switched to the HTC and
Moldex
>forgings when they became available later.
>

Oh, I was told they has forged cranks. Still, thet are the best 351's
ever putinto production.

>
>The weak point of the W is
>- -> the *too large* mains (around 3.00).
>
> Hot rod mythology. The 429/460 has the same main bearing size, and
>*they* don't have any trouble.
>

You are missreading what I am saying. Any of the 351 (even the M) can be
made to run good on the street. And both the C and W can be raced (if
built right). OK, I will say it, NEVER try to race a M...;)

However, at higher RPMs the limiting factors of each engine are just as
I said. The weakest point of the W is the crank and the weakest point of
the C is the block. That doesn't mean either are weak just those
are the weakest points of each engine.

If it was a myth then why did Ford build a special 351 with a W type
block and C type crank? This is the best of the best (at least for the
351s). Too bad Ford never put it in a production vehicle.

Later,

Harry.

Visit me at
HREF="http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/3271/index.html">my new
web page.


______________________________________________________

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:28:13 -0800
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: Re: Frame

At 05:22 PM 3/12/98 -0500, am14 chrysler.com wrote:
>Dennis writes:
>>anyone know how new of a frame I can get that I can
>bolt my current 1970 crew cab body to, without any major
>modifications??
>
>'79 I believe.

That would have a nice set of disk brakes with it as well if you found the
right donor...

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:38:56 -0800
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: Re: NP-445

At 05:11 PM 3/12/98 -0800, Mike Paz wrote:
>
>Well I just spent two hours looking on the net
>and I can't even find one mention about the NP-445...
>Is it real or just a myth :) ?I would like to know more about it and also
the 4 speed AOD...

I have an FSM with a section on it that I could Xerox for you if you can't
find anything else. It is, as mentioned earlier, basically a 435 with
close-ratio gearing.

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:36:05 -0800
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: I-6/302 boss head

At 07:25 PM 3/12/98 -0500, J. A. Knapper wrote:
>At one Ford was experimenting with a cross flow head for the 300, it was
>refered to as the "Australian" cylinder head. I saw a few at the Ford
>experimental engine development building about 7 years ago. As far as I
>know, the head never was available in north america, but it may have
>been in use in Australia,(reason for the name????).

I would love to find any info on this head, and would probably ship one
from Australia if I could. Let me know if you have any pointers on where I
might start looking.


Thx...

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:42:42 -0800
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: Re: 351C & Pantera

At 06:00 PM 3/12/98 -0500, George Herpich wrote:
>Gary, 78 BBB wrote:
>> The Pantera had a 351C engine, what year did they come out? I
>> thought it was 68? Remember any head swapping between the 335 and
>> small block engines would require water jacket mods.
>>
>
>Good point. I think the pantera was '69 though it had a different name
>then. I don't remember if it was a 351c though.


Originally called a DeTomaso, for the car's designer.

In about 1978, I was working in a lumber yard where one of our customers
drove a concours Pantera. It had an Australian nickel-alloy block 351C and
$2k worth of braided stainless lines. Also the most beautiful leather
seats I think I've ever seen (they had little holes cut into the leather
for breathing and were black/red handmade ridiculously expensive things)

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:14:33 -0500
From: DC Beatty
Subject: RE: 352

Chris:

352, 360 & 390 are externally the same motor. The only differences are
cranks, pistons, etc. Mine is just about worn out, but I still drive it
everyday. I plan on keeping it too after the swap just for parts like
exhaust manifolds, etc. It's worth keeping IMHO. Ford used to hot rod the=
m
at the factory and put them in police cars.


Drew Beatty
1967 F100 352
1974 Maverick 302



Chris writes: >>Is the 352 worth keeping??? Is this a really reliable
engine? I noticed in Edelbrock's catalog that they show Performer
manifold for all FE engines but Performer RPM was not listed for 352.
Is this right? Are there some fundamental differences between a 352
and a 390 that would affect bolt-on parts?

I've owned at least 2 different 352's. They are just as reliable as
any of the FE's. Only difference in any of the FE bolt patterns that I
am aware of is the GT390's and CJ128's carried some weird exhaust
manifold patterns and some were not always interchangeable. If an
intake manifold will bolt on a 390, there is no reason I can think of
why it won't bolt on a 352.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:14:30 -0500
From: DC Beatty
Subject: RE: 67/73 steering gear

Jeff:

It's a '67 4X2. It has the integral power steering. No power ram and powe=
r
valve. =


I think I read on the list that the box changed a bit in '73 and I'd have=

to drill holes. A friend of mine said he would give me his '73 box but I
don't really want to deal with the retrofitting process. Mine leaks real
bad and Napa wants $300 for a rebuilt one. I'm just looking to get off a
little cheaper. I might hunt up a junker and try to rebuild it myself. =


Thanks for the help,

Drew Beatty
1967 F100 352
1974 Maverick 302

Jeff Wrote:
=



4x4 or 4x2? 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, 1-ton?

If its an F-100 4x4, then the answer should be yes to the steering gears
bolting right in. I'm not sure if the 73 F-150 4x4s had the lame "power-
assisted" steering (the sensor and actuator) setup like the 74-75's, but
even
if they did, the box should be the same...

Let us know.

Colorado Jeff >> =

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:44:39 EST
From: SuperMagot
Subject: Re: bent crossmembers

In a message dated 98-03-12 13:27:13 EST, you write:

>Well, I took my truck to get
aligned yesterday and the guy was > telling me that the frame member
underneath the transmission was > bent as was the member underneath the
motor. How replaceable are >>

Even if the Tranny x-member is bent, go get one from a wrecking yard. I
beleive they are very interhchangable. Just take your "bent" one with you.
It is very replaceable. I had a 240 6-cyl and 3 spd manual and when I swapped
a 460 C-6 into it, I was able to use the same cross member. It is very easy
to remove.

As far as the engine x-member, how did that get bent without thrashing the
rest of the truck? Thats a pretty study chunk of metal...

- - Mike

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:37:59 -0800
From: james oxley
Subject: Re: Window Felts.

Gillespie, John D. wrote:

> My first choice would be Dennis Carpenters mainly because they
> go to the original vehicle/model to match their products to.


Got a phone number for these guys?

OX

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:38:56 -0800
From: james oxley
Subject: rubber body mounts

Hey all

Where's the best (cheapest) place to get body mounts for my 78 Bronc.

Thanks

OX

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:13:03 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: 360 and 460 swap, lincoln

> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:40:56 -0500
> From: George Herpich
> Subject: Re: 360 and 460 swap

> If the lincoln is really a '79 you better sell it as is and buy a
> 460 with the profit. '78 was the last year for 460's in lincoln or
> any other passenger car. What you have is a 400.

Before you sell it take a look at the thermostat housing. If it's on
the block, sell it otherwise it will be on the intake manifold in
which case you have one of the better 460's with power steering pump
on the end of the crank right? I just threw this last part in but
don't know what years this option was on them.

335 series engines are "Dry Manifold" designs so the thermostat has
to attach to the block. 385 series are "Wet Manifold" designs and
the top radiator hose and thermostat housing have to access the
intake manifold. This is the only absolutely sure and easy way I
know to tell them apart, note I said easy too :-)

Keep in mind that OEM's typically use up last years stuff at the
beginning of a production year so a 79 could have a 460 in it from
the factory unless this was also a body style change year which would
make it impossible to put it in which I doubt. I know the 79 LTD's
were smaller but you couldn't put a 400 in those either........

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:00:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Koster
Subject: Towing

Hello again, and thanks for all the good advice on my last question.
I've got another juicy one for you all now, so here goes!


I need to pick up a pickup :-) and bring it over 2500 miles to come
back home. There's no other way around it.

To further complicate things, I'll be putting in a rebuilt 390 right
before I tow.

I have a '92 Isuzu Rodeo and am picking up a '63 F100. The rodeo,
with a V-6, will allow me to tow up to 5500 lbs (acc. to the manual).

Should I risk it and just 2-wheel dolly an obviously heavier Ford
truck behind my Isuzu?

Or, should I tow the Isuzu behind the F100 with it's newly installed
390? (i'll have put at least 1000 miles on it and made the adjustments
already)


Dan
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:17:55 -0500
From: George Herpich
Subject: Re: Off topic, auto racing?

Gary, 78 BBB wrote:
>
> Anyone know of a news group or list like ours that deals with dirt
> track racing, specifically the "Bomber" stock car class? You can
> mail me privately so we don't tie up the list.
>
> 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
> 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
>
> -- Gary --
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:26:33 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Burned Valves

> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:39:40 -0700
> From: Keith Srb
> Subject: Re: Burned Valves

> When you say older engines, how old do you mean?? Pre 70's engines
> ?
>
> When did Unleaded Gas make it appearance?

Different states had it at different times. I think it started in CA
around 68 but I generally figure any engine older than 73 will have
soft seats. Some ford engines had induction hardened seats well
before that but I don't know the years for each.

Whether or not this will damage your engine kind of depends on how
you use it really. If you get on it a lot there will be more heat
generated and more violent seat contact with the valves which will
accellerate wear.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:27:00 -0500
From: dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)
Subject: Re: 66 Ford F100 VIN #

- -> The 352 is just fine. It is rebuildable into a 390 or even (ahem) a
- -> 410 with little modification except a different crank, rods, pistons,

Even as a 352 it can be built to run well.

The stock 352s were low compression, low performance, and though
normally reliable as rocks, were pretty doggy for performance. They
don't *have* to stay that way.

The bore and stroke on the 352 is the same as the 351W and 351C. With
an aluminum intake the weight is within 30 pounds of the 351W and the
351FE is similar in size. The 352FE has better heads - closer to the
Clevelands than the Windsor with regard to airflow - and has a selection
of good intake manifolds, which are only recently becoming available for
the Windsor.

Crank up the compression, slide in a mild cam, knock any wooley-boogers
out of the ports, slap on a four barrel intake, and screw it all
together. The 352 will run right along with any other 350-351-360 sized
motor from any manufacturer, including Ford.

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:06:00 -0500
From: dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)
Subject: Subject: Re: I-6/302 boss head

- -> At one Ford was experimenting with a cross flow head for the 300, it
- -> was refered to as the "Australian" cylinder head. I saw a few at the

Those were for the little (144-250) six.


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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:35:18 -0500
From: George Herpich
Subject: Re: 351C & Pantera

Kurt Albershardt wrote:
>
> At 06:00 PM 3/12/98 -0500, George Herpich wrote:
> >Gary, 78 BBB wrote:
> >> The Pantera had a 351C engine, what year did they come out? I
> >> thought it was 68? Remember any head swapping between the 335 and
> >> small block engines would require water jacket mods.
> >>
> >
> >Good point. I think the pantera was '69 though it had a different name
> >then. I don't remember if it was a 351c though.
>
> Originally called a DeTomaso, for the car's designer.
>
> In about 1978, I was working in a lumber yard where one of our customers
> drove a concours Pantera. It had an Australian nickel-alloy block 351C and
> $2k worth of braided stainless lines. Also the most beautiful leather
> seats I think I've ever seen (they had little holes cut into the leather
> for breathing and were black/red handmade ridiculously expensive things)

Actually the original was called the DeTomaso Mangusta. It was equipped
with a 302. No 351 until the '70 when the name was changed to Pantera.
You guys got me to do a little digging to come up with that.
George

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:53:58 -0500
From: George Herpich
Subject: Re: 360 and 460 swap, lincoln

>
> Keep in mind that OEM's typically use up last years stuff at the
> beginning of a production year so a 79 could have a 460 in it from
> the factory unless this was also a body style change year which would
> make it impossible to put it in which I doubt. I know the 79 LTD's
> were smaller but you couldn't put a 400 in those either........

..........and Ford's famous for that but........
I think the big reason was CAFE rules. They had to get the mileage
average up.
Anyway, they were'nt discontinuing the engine.
On the other hand, anything's possible. I just thought that he saw that
big boat
style lincoln and assumed it was a 460. The 400 looks pretty big. Better
to find
out now rather than after you pull the engine. Or worse, when you have
it bolted in the chasis and wonder why the headers don't bolt up. They....


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