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fordtrucks61-79-digest Tuesday, March 10 1998 Volume 02 : Number 138



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In this issue:

RE: Cleveland ["Robert Harris" ]
RE: Oil Pressure was... [tfmf211 murphyfarms.com]
re" rear disc [jniolon uss.com]
Re: VIN # and fan shrouds [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Mid-range horses [Dan Koster ]
T-Birds with FE's [Tyler Wilkins ]
Radio Delete Plate [Joe DeLaurentis ]
Re: T-Birds with FE's [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
oil pressure [am14 chrysler.com]
RE: Mid-range horses [Sleddog ]
351C and 429/460 [am14 chrysler.com]
BELLHOUSINGS [am14 chrysler.com]
Seal for 2 pc drive shaft [am14 chrysler.com]
BELLHOUSINGS [am14 chrysler.com]
Re: T-Birds with FE's [DGholsM ]
Re: Your truck photo in Auto Krafter Catalog ["Chris Hedemark"
T-Birds + FE's [Tyler Wilkins ]
Re: BELLHOUSINGS [Tyler Wilkins ]
Re: T-Birds with FE's [RL ]
Automatic to Manual swap [Serian ]
a gun for tiny rivets [Serian ]
Re: Mid-range horses [Ken Payne ]
Re: V*lare Rear End [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: slip yoke seal [sdelanty ]
Big trouble!! ["Daniel H. Jenkins" ]
Re: T-Birds + FE's [marko ]

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:21:13 -0800
From: "Robert Harris"
Subject: RE: Cleveland

The big block 385 has been best described as a Cleveland with a massive
overdose of steroids. BTW the 385 predates the Cleveland by several years -
the Cleveland should rightfully be called a wimped out 385.

Now if you really want to give the small block guys daymares, you could
stick a forged steel 370 truck crank into a 429/460, DESTROKE it slightly,
put the early C8,C9 or D0 VE heads on it and wind up with about the same 351
inches, only with a half inch shorter stroke, an exhaust port that flows
more than the best Windsor Aftermarket or 4V intake port and sewer pipe
intakes. For about the same money as 7000 in a Cleveland, you could
probably get about 8500 - 9000 (more power if you used the CJ heads) out of
the DE-STROKED 385 - them monstrous ports do flow and make power.

Monster Ports, very short stroke (3.09 stock 370 - bout like a 302),
extremely strong bottom end - compared to ANY small block and the
compression to take advantage of it. Would eat Cleveland's, Windsor's and
other un-named 350's as a light snack.

Only problem - run it one weekend - be outlawed by the next.

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:50:50 +0000
From: tfmf211 murphyfarms.com
Subject: RE: Oil Pressure was...

I want to say again, "Thanks" to all that have replied to my
dilemma.

Here's what I'm going to do, unless you folks tell me I
shouldn't.

First, I'm going to put in a heavier weight oil to hopefully
solve my current ticking problem till I can do the rest.

I hope to use my Dad's shop for a weekend
(lift and cherry picker) to put on a new Melling Oil
Pump and Federal Mogul or Clevite Main Bearings.
It looks right now it will be at least 2 maybe 3 weeks
out before I can get this done.

I figure if I'm going to do the bearings, I may as well go
ahead and do the pump since it's cheap and I'll be
there anyway.

I hope this will hold me for a while, I do intend on
stroking the motor to a "390" someday (have to
build a house first).

If any one has any other suggestions, I would like to
hear them.

I'll let you know how things turn out!

Thanks,

-Ted

>Subject: RE: oil pressure was (Rattling Rocker Arms)
>
>the basic rule of thumb is to have 10 psi oil pressure for every 1000 rpm.
>so, if you have 40 psi, engine damage may occur at over 4000 rpm, like a
>spun bearing or only excexxive wear. with the low pressure you have i
>would think that the oil pump should be checked, and bearings too. don't
>worry about cam bearings. they are usually the last thing damaged.
>
>sleddog

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: jniolon uss.com
Subject: re" rear disc


You can also use mid 70's mark iv rears...

standard ford 9" high ration coil spring hung

I gathered me one from a 75 mark 4...cut off the control arm and coil
spring perches...shortened it and did custom ladderbat/coil overs..

there's a good article on these rears in the last couple of months of
street rodder and the street rodder annual mag...gives good detail on
the rebuild/rework of the calipers/discs..must read for these rear
ends

if you can't find the article mail me and I'll xerox and p-mail to
you

good luck

john

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:58:11 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: VIN # and fan shrouds

>> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:18:37 -0800
>> From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
>> Subject: Re: VIN # and fan shrouds
>
>> the dealer who's open till midnight (there is usually one in each
>> city, typically the one that sells the most trucks) then go there
>
>WAIT A MINUTE!!!??? Are we talking the same language here? Are we
>talking ford dealers which are very much like Harley dealers and
>Sears and ..........................I'm incredulous!
>

now, now Gary. No need to be incredulous.

I admit it, I was wrong. Totem Mercury used to be open till midnight.

Now they're only open till 9pm, five days a week.


Aw.


marko ;-]

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:08:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Koster
Subject: Mid-range horses

I am currently rebuilding a '61 390 Thunderbird (not a Special, not a
HP)
I'm at a point where I need to start making decisions about its
performance.

I'll be putting it into a '63 F100 with it's T-98 4-speed.

Ken, Gary, Dana, Sleddog, etc., what would you guys do in order to get
the maximum horsepower out of it?(for mid-range use, that is)

I know it's kind of a general question, but I need to know where I
want to go with this before I start making choices on cams, cranks,
heads/valves, pistons, etc.

Thanks,

Dan
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:15:42 -0600
From: Tyler Wilkins
Subject: T-Birds with FE's

Anyone know what years the T-birds came with the FE's, I have been
keeping an eye on a early to late (I think, I don't really know anything
about pre-75 T-birds, the oldest one I've had was a '79 Diamond Jubilee
with a 351M) 60's T-Bird that has yellow plates (pre-1990 so it
obviously hasn't been driven for a while) on it, the people have now
been moved out of the house for 2 weeks, the house is empty and For
Sale. So my guess is they were planning on just letting it sit there and
going with the house. It looks like its in pretty good shape. I'm
going to call the realator tommorrow to see if the owners will sell it
or ?. Did they come with 390's or just 352's or what? I am hoping its
got a 4v, thats all I really want because I still haven't been able to
find one (the motor or parts will be transplanted into my truck). I
would appreciate any info anyone has on theseon these old 'birds. Never
know, I may even leave it whole and make that a project! From what I can
see from the road the body is extremely clean. Wow, that would be kind
of wierd, me working on and driving a CAR! Anyways, any T-Birds experts
let me know what you know about these machines. Thanx!

Anyone know of any websites that have pictures of T-Birds so I could
maybe figure out about what year it is? I really have no idea, I have
never seen a T-bird like it, the only reason I know it is a T-Bird is
because it has a big Bird on the grille. Maybe its not.......?

Tyler Wilkins
'73 F-250 4x4, 360 (hopefully not for long), 4-speed, 33" BFG Mud's
'79 F-100 4x2, 400, tranny undecided, Street-truck....

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:19:07 -0500
From: Joe DeLaurentis
Subject: Radio Delete Plate

ANybody interested in a 1968 Radio Delete Panel???
I just found one in the boneyard...Blue in color with the orginal
mounting nuts...Is this a rare find????
- --
Joe
Aka. Fordguy
1968 F-100 4x4 302 Np435 Bone Stock down to the wheel covers
1970 F-250 4x4 390 Np435 The Beast
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://web.p3.net/~shoman

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:46:02 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: T-Birds with FE's

>Anyone know what years the T-birds came with the FE's, I have been
>

Well, all thru the 60's really.

You should check out a book called "super 60's fords" by John Smith, you can
probly buy it at the local parts shop. It has all the tbirds and all the
engine stuff.

If you're really lucky it'll be a 63 with a tri-power. Trouble with t-birds
was the engine sat flat in the car, not raked back as much as in a truck.
This meant that whereas the intake manifold on a truck or regular car
(galaxie, monterey, whatever) held the back of the carb up higher to
compensate for the rake of the engine, in a T-bird it was virtually flat to
begin with. That's why a T-bird tri-power, for example, can't really be
used on another application. Don't worry though, FE 4bbl intakes are all
over the place.

If the t-bird is a 62 or newer, chances are you have a 390. If the car has
an Autolite carburetor (doesn't say Holley, looks like a brick with 4
barrels, has four little vent stacks on top) then KEEP IT CAUSE IT'S
AMAZING. But they usually put big ol' holleys on em. You may even find a
real hot one with solid lifters. Wouldn't that be nice.

Look also for the Kelsey-Hayes wire wheels. They're worth lots of money.

Question: Round, jet-engine-exhaust type taillights, or oblong rectangular
ones with three squares in each one? Does the grill have four headlights,
and a big ol wide eagle/thunderbird in there?

Pretty much any 60's t-bird with decent parts on it (chrome, seats,
whatever) will get you back money.


marko in vancouver
marko helix.net

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:50:21 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: oil pressure

Brian writes: >>Ok...Here's a question on oil pressure. At a cold
idle...I have about 60lbs. (new 460) As it warms up...I drop to about
30lbs at idle. when I increase rpms to around 2000, it jumps back up to
around 55lbs. Is this a normal range of pressure ??

Yes!!!

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:09:36 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Mid-range horses

i would toss it for a 460! JUST KIDDING! i do like the FE family too.

can i assume that midrange means 2000-5000 rpm? if so, i would say a hyd
cam of something like a 292 comp cams or a 280 comp cams. my cousin had an
FE with a 292 in it and it ran very well, with a slight lope in the idle.
a stock FE with this kind of cam makes nice power with the 4V intake.

but, you said maximum power! so, digest this...
the most gains in performance can be found by porting a good set of
cylinder heads and getting a good 3 angle valve job done. a good port job
may run $1500 for the porting alone. but, finding someone who knows how to
do an FE will be difficult i would think. most porters know the bowties
and small fords only.

is price no object? if not, call Dove Engineering or Carrol Shelby for
some serious performance parts. don't know prices, but i remember sometime
ago on this list someone posted some prices from dove, and a phone #.

i would recommend getting a book like the one from pat ganhal that covers
the FE (along with the W,C,385 series.) info is better than money
sometimes.

i thinnk the stock 4V or dual 4V intakes from ford are good, and am
reluctant to use the edelbroke one. (ask about some experiences here, who
was it that had such a hard time with that intake?) of course i admit i am
anti-edelbroke right from the start.

when calling cam companies for suggestions, it has been my experience that
they all recommend a cam smaller than the "best choice". all over i read
and hear "do not overcam" but my experience is that everyone goes too safe
in choosing a cam. ultradyne, seems very honest about picking cams, and
one guy i know swears up and down that they guy he talks to there is right
on the money every time for his 900+ hp monster motors. (chris hayes at
ultradyne)

beyond things like cams, it never seems to be stated how important the
"work" aspect of building a motor is. the small details, like drilling oil
passages larger and chamfering holes, removing casting flash, proper
bearing clearances, port matching, carefull and clean assembly, proper bolt
torques, etc., can make the difference between a runner and a slug, an
anchor or a reliable power maker. i really feel that it is the details
that are most important, as even the best parts can run poorly when not
matched, and assembled with great care. (than again, i have put junk
together that really romps!)

sleddog

ps-in general i guess that was kind of a general answer for your general
question, generally speaking.

- ----------
From: Dan Koster[SMTP:rumpus1 yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 9:08 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Mid-range horses


I am currently rebuilding a '61 390 Thunderbird (not a Special, not a
HP)
I'm at a point where I need to start making decisions about its
performance.

I'll be putting it into a '63 F100 with it's T-98 4-speed.

Ken, Gary, Dana, Sleddog, etc., what would you guys do in order to get
the maximum horsepower out of it?(for mid-range use, that is)

I know it's kind of a general question, but I need to know where I
want to go with this before I start making choices on cams, cranks,
heads/valves, pistons, etc.

Thanks,

Dan

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:08:02 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: 351C and 429/460

Sleddog writes: >>i always felt the the 351C was the 460's little
brother. a few cubes shy, but very strong.


The 351C is not one of the engines I've dealt with very much, but I
always thought it was forerunner to FOMOCO's "breathers". ie the Boss
series and the later introduced 429's. Is this not the case????

Azie
Ardmore, aL.

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:17:16 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: BELLHOUSINGS

Ox writes: >>Do 351M/460 and FE engines have the same bellhousing bolt
pattern ?

YES!!!

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:24:28 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Seal for 2 pc drive shaft

The Marine writes: >>Hi gang, I am running into a little dilema here.
I need to get my 75 F100 back on the road, ( major service time for the
F350 ). I have just finished, well almost, going thru the drive shaft
assembly. The only thing I lack to put it back in is the seal for the
slip yoke. The original was made of cork
and die-cut to fit around the spline shaft sealing both moisture out
and grease in the assembly. All has been check and or replaced in the
drive shaft assembly but I can not get one of these seals try as I may
around here at Camp Lejuene NC. It becomes very frustrating to say the
least, there isn't even a
drive shaft specialist in this town. So, the question is.... has
anybody out there found a good supplier? or has anybody replicated one
of these? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Try Birmingham Spring
2017 2nd Ave S.
B'ham, Al.
PH# (205) 251-6281

Ray in machine shop. I'm fairly certain they will ship It on a Credit
Card # when ordered by phone. Have diameter and # of splines when you
call.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:30:16 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: BELLHOUSINGS

I screwed up when reading this post the 1st time.... Forgive me.
NO! NO!! NO !! THEY AREN'T THE SAME. DIFFERENT AS DAY AND
NIGHT.

I somehow read that you were asking if the 351M/400 and the 460 were
the same. Sorry!!!!!!!

Azie
Ardmore, Al
- ---------------------- Forwarded by Azie Magnusson/HNT/Chrysler on
03/10/98 03:49 PM ---------------------------


Azie Magnusson
03/10/98 03:38 PM
To: Fordtrucks61-79 listservice.net SMTP
cc:
Subject: BELLHOUSINGS

Ox writes: >>Do 351M/460 and FE engines have the same bellhousing bolt
pattern ?

YES!!!

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:41:13 EST
From: DGholsM
Subject: Re: T-Birds with FE's

I've seen tnem as old as 69 wtih a FE. The owner had five of them so I
believed him I took it he knew what he was talking about. Anyway what does FE
stand for?

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:43:43 -0500
From: "Chris Hedemark"
Subject: Re: Your truck photo in Auto Krafter Catalog

>Based on a similar incident this past fall I'm willing
>to bet that Auto Krafters is simply unaware that they've done


Ken, I'm with you. Their message didn't look like typical "spam". It just
looked like an honest businessman thinking that he was doing something that
was "okay". I hold no ill will towards AK for this. As far as I'm
concerned, it looked like an honest mistake.

[snip excerpt from charter]

Ken, can we have something added to the documentation that basically states
that the mailing lists may not be harvested for advertising purposes, even
if the advertising is done via private email?

>I guess the key question is:
>Are they harvesting email addresses and sending indiscriminate
>spam or are they responding to a question and sending the
>response privately?


The message that I got was not a response to anything that I said
specifically. Let me dig it up in it's entirety:

>Received: from sherman.shentel.net [204.111.1.58] by yonderway.com
[206.138.164.99] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP0.R) for >;
Sun, 08 Mar 98 11:13:19 -0500
>Received: from 204.111.1.111 (pm02a15.shentel.net [204.111.1.111])
> by sherman.shentel.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA15281
> for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 11:13:30 -0500 (EST)
>Message-ID:
>Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 11:12:53 -0500
>From: M*?
>Reply-To: akraft shentel.net
>Organization: ttp://www.macweek.com
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>To: chris yonderway.com
>Subject: Ford site
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>X-MBF-FILE: MDaemon Gateway to RFC822 (RFC822.MBF v1.0)
>
>Check out our Ford site at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.auto krafters. com Thanks

I included the headers just in case anyone was curious. Typically when
someone is intentionally spamming, they spoof the headers to evade being
caught. This looks pretty normal to me, though. It does look as if the
message was drafted by hand and mailed personally to me, even if the content
didn't have my name in it. What you see is the WHOLE message, from top to
bottom, so I'm not leaving anything out here.

>Perhaps this issue needs to be discussed and we need to
>formulate the "group opinion". I will notify Auto Krafters
>of your concerns and ask them to reframe from sending
>email to list members until we have a concrete policy.


OK just so long as it's clear that I'm not mad about this or anything. But
I *do* think it raises some issues that need to be addressed to avoid
something potentially more offensive. I haven't really heard anyone else's
opinions on this yet so I would hate for me to be the only opinion you hear
on a serious policy issue. I think we all agree it's important to work with
the sponsors to help offset the great expense of running these great
services (I run some similar stuff for totally unrelated groups so I know
what kinds of expenses you are facing). But at the same time we don't want
to have any bitterness because of the manner in which the advertisers
participate.

The message I got from Auto Krafters would have been better received by me
if it went a little more like this:

"Chris, I noticed some of your posts on the Ford Truck mailing list and
understand your concerns about being able to find parts for these great
trucks. I thought you might want to know that Auto Krafters has a lot of
the parts you'll need to do your restoration, and we have a web site at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.auto krafters. com . If you don't see what you're looking for
there, feel free to drop me a note or give me a call at [number]. Thanks!"

As you can see, the message is still really short but there is NO MISTAKE
that this post is in response to something I said on the list, and offers a
good solution to a problem raised. I think something like this needs to be
said, IMHO, where a company can email an individual privately if (1)they are
responding to a specific request for information or parts/truck location,
and (2)the response given adequately answers the request for knowlege. For
example, if I had posted "What do I need to do to upgrade my truck to power
disc brakes?" and I get a personal response like "Come to our web site and
check out our catalog." That doesn't really answer the question, does it?
To me, that's the real distinction between spam and a value add.

Chris Hedemark
Yonder Way
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:26:40 -0600
From: Tyler Wilkins
Subject: T-Birds + FE's

Ok, I couldn't help myself especially with all this pre-71 HI-PO T-Bird
and FE talk lately, the T-Bird I mentioned a few hours ago, I just got
back from sneaking a peak at it. I know this isn't Specifically Ford
Truck talk but sometimes I think this should be Ford Trucks & FE list.
And my origanal interest in this car was hoping it had an FE to put in
my '73 F-250. I don't think thats what will happen though. I would
just rather ask this on here do to the high knowledge of FE's and this
list is what has made me think more and more about that car the last few
weeks. Here's what I found: As soon as I poped the hood I was
intsantly in love. For on top of the CLEAN (No external Grease that
usually comes with high mileage) motor was a big blue Air Filter with
the following: 390 4v!!!!!!!.

The car itself was in beautiful shape there was not a spot of rust on
the body although the wheelwells showed a different color indicating a
paint job at some point. The interior was also very cool. This is a
very cool car. Leather interior and lots of chrome. The back seats
were developing mold but it doesn't look like it wouldn't come right off
with a rag. The drivers seat was awful worn, other than that the
interior was beautiful. But anyways, (sorry, I'm awful excited) the
door tag revealed the following numbers, I wounder if someone could
decipher them for me to tell me more about the car.

Top line (VIN)- 7Y82Z175262

Bottom Line- 65B (Year?) B 2AA 20F 27 I (or 1?(Axle Code?)) U
(Tranny code?)

I would appreciate any codes you could decipher, This motor may still
make it into my truck.

Additional info if anyone cares, its got air and its a ragtop! The
plates were last registered in '92 but the door panel revealed a
maintenence tag (oil, tires, etc.) that was dated 11/94 with a mileage
of 65K. Talking to the neighbors they said they moved in about a year
and a half ago and they had never seen the car move. And that it was an
older woman who lived there. They said they would love to see the car
gone and the realator probably would too. COOL! :)

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:35:47 -0600
From: Tyler Wilkins
Subject: Re: BELLHOUSINGS

am14 chrysler.com wrote:
>
> Ox writes: >>Do 351M/460 and FE engines have the same bellhousing bolt
> pattern ?
>
> YES!!!
>
> Azie

NO!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:03:59 -0600 (CST)
From: RL
Subject: Re: T-Birds with FE's

I'm no expert either but I know the late 60s could come with 428 and 429s.
A 390 sounds right also. Is it a 2 or 4 door? I think late 60's were more
square. Hope that helps some what. Try looking around for a t-bird web
site that would be the best bet.
Ryan

1971 Torino 500, 1971 F-100, 1977 Hornet Sportabout,
1978 New Yorker e-mail: st0478 student-mail.jsu.edu
Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/9027
Fairlane Club of America, American Station Wagon Owners
Association

On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Tyler Wilkins wrote:

> Anyone know what years the T-birds came with the FE's, I have been
> keeping an eye on a early to late (I think, I don't really know anything
> about pre-75 T-birds, the oldest one I've had was a '79 Diamond Jubilee
> with a 351M) 60's T-Bird that has yellow plates (pre-1990 so it
> obviously hasn't been driven for a while) on it, the people have now
> been moved out of the house for 2 weeks, the house is empty and For
> Sale. So my guess is they were planning on just letting it sit there and
> going with the house. It looks like its in pretty good shape. I'm
> going to call the realator tommorrow to see if the owners will sell it
> or ?. Did they come with 390's or just 352's or what? I am hoping its
> got a 4v, thats all I really want because I still haven't been able to
> find one (the motor or parts will be transplanted into my truck). I
> would appreciate any info anyone has on theseon these old 'birds. Never
> know, I may even leave it whole and make that a project! From what I can
> see from the road the body is extremely clean. Wow, that would be kind
> of wierd, me working on and driving a CAR! Anyways, any T-Birds experts
> let me know what you know about these machines. Thanx!
>
> Anyone know of any websites that have pictures of T-Birds so I could
> maybe figure out about what year it is? I really have no idea, I have
> never seen a T-bird like it, the only reason I know it is a T-Bird is
> because it has a big Bird on the grille. Maybe its not.......?
>
> Tyler Wilkins
> '73 F-250 4x4, 360 (hopefully not for long), 4-speed, 33" BFG Mud's
> '79 F-100 4x2, 400, tranny undecided, Street-truck....
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:23:47 -0500
From: Serian
Subject: Automatic to Manual swap

A wise listmember recommended:

>Two words of caution about the swap.
>1. Make sure you can get all the linkage parts you need (shouldn't be
>to hard. There are plenty of trucks w/ standard trannys). I made the
>mistake of trying to convert my 68 Torino to a 4 speed. Couldn't find
>a clutch linkage. Bad time...
>2. Make sure your block has the equalizer bar pivot machining on the
>driver's side. The clutch equalizer bar will sit in this machining, but if
>your block doesn't have it, you'll be sorry (see #1 about the Torino).

These are good suggestions ... but here are some more ideas which may or
may not be easier:

Just get a hydraulic clutch linkage from a newer vehicle (including the
proper bell housing).
You will probably need to drill a hole in the firewall for the clutch master
cylinder piston shaft, and might have to reorient the bellcrank, but in
theory,
it should work.

Another point on #2 above ... even if the block doesnt have a place for the
"screw in" type of stud, Ford made a bracket which bolts on using two of
the bellhousing bolts (generic part # 7A572). Works perfectly well in place
of the screw-in type. I had to use one of these on my truck because of the
OEM screw-into-the-block type stud shearing off.

=== Serian

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:41:04 -0500
From: Serian
Subject: a gun for tiny rivets

>I ordered the replacement vent window gasket set from Dennis Carpenter for my
>'67 F100, and it included 5 tiny (3/32 x 9/64) rivets to attach each vent
>window rubber to the vent window frame. These rivets won't fit in my rivet
>gun or any gun at the hardware store. Does anyone know where to get the
>proper sized gun for these little rivets?

If you dont really mind the idea of not 100% perfectly stock, to heck with
the
rivets and use screws the same size instead. Rivets are a pain in the arse.

== Serian

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:07:55 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Mid-range horses

At 02:08 PM 3/10/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
>I am currently rebuilding a '61 390 Thunderbird (not a Special, not a
>HP)
>I'm at a point where I need to start making decisions about its
>performance.
>
>I'll be putting it into a '63 F100 with it's T-98 4-speed.
>
>Ken, Gary, Dana, Sleddog, etc., what would you guys do in order to get
>the maximum horsepower out of it?(for mid-range use, that is)
>
>I know it's kind of a general question, but I need to know where I
>want to go with this before I start making choices on cams, cranks,
>heads/valves, pistons, etc.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dan


A good cam will help along with headers. Do you get Summit's
catalog? Lots of goodies in there! If you want mid range
the degree should be between 205-215 (or so I've been told).

Ken

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 18:53:41 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: V*lare Rear End

marko maryniak wrote:
>
> I am thinking of
> doing an econoline pickup next winter,


What year?



Dana

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:39:04 -0800
From: sdelanty
Subject: Re: slip yoke seal

>Hi gang, I am running into a little dilema here. I need to get my 75 F100
>back on the road, ( major service time for the F350 ). I have just finished,
>well almost, going thru the drive shaft assembly. The only thing I lack to
>put it back in is the seal for the slip yoke. The original was made of cork
>and die-cut to fit around the spline shaft sealing both moisture out and
>grease in the assembly. All has been check and or replaced in the drive shaft
>assembly but I can not get one of these seals try as I may around here at Camp
>Lejuene NC. It becomes very frustrating to say the least, there isn't even a
>drive shaft specialist in this town. So, the question is.... has anybody out
>there found a good supplier? or has anybody replicated one of these? Any help
>would be greatly appreciated.

John, what tranny are we talking here?
Is the piece You need about Uhhh, lets see.. 0.33" thick, 1.6" O.D, and
cut out for 16 splines?

I've got 4 of them right here in front of me that fit a '71 T-18...
If this is what You need, Email Me privately and I might part with one. (-:

Happy motoring,

Steve

"This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be
seriously considered as a means of communication.
The device is inherently of no value to us."
-- Western Union internal memo, 1876

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:41:48 -0800 (PST)
From: "Daniel H. Jenkins"
Subject: Big trouble!!

Well, I took my truck to get aligned yesterday and the guy was
telling me that the frame member underneath the transmission was bent as
was the member underneath the motor. How replaceable are these two parts?
The one underneath the transmission looks like it bolts in; all I woul
dhave to do is place a jack underneath the transmission. Of course, the
front one looks a little more difficult; possiblely riveted on. Could I
just drill out the rivets and replace them with grade 8 bolts? BTW, it's
2wd.

- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Daniel H. Jenkins Food for thought: John Milton
djenkins honors.unr.edu wrote _Paradise_Lost_; When his
Honors Program wife died he wrote _Paradise_
University of Nevada, Reno _Regained_...

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:52:26 -0800
From: marko
Subject: Re: T-Birds + FE's

At 06:26 PM 3/10/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Ok, I couldn't help myself especially with all this pre-71 HI-PO T-Bird
>and FE talk lately, the T-Bird I mentioned a few hours ago, I just got
>back from sneaking a peak at it. I know this isn't Specifically Ford
>Truck talk but sometimes I think this should be Ford Trucks & FE list.
>And my origanal interest in this car was hoping it had an FE to put in
>my '73 F-250. I don't think thats what will happen though. I would
>just rather ask this on here do to the high knowledge of FE's and this
>list is what has made me think more and more about that car the last few
>weeks. Here's what I found: As soon as I poped the hood I was
>intsantly in love. For on top of the CLEAN (No external Grease that
>usually comes with high mileage) motor was a big blue Air Filter with
>the following: 390 4v!!!!!!!.
>
>The car itself was in beautiful shape there was not a spot of rust on
>the body although the wheelwells showed a different color indicating a
>paint job at some point. The interior was also very cool. This is a
>very cool car. Leather interior and lots of chrome. The back seats
>were developing mold but it doesn't look like it wouldn't come right off
>with a rag. The drivers seat was awful worn, other than that the
>interior was beautiful. But anyways, (sorry, I'm awful excited) the
>door tag revealed the following numbers, I wounder if someone could
>decipher them for me to tell me more about the car.
>
Drool, drool. Okay, the good part:


>Top line (VIN)- 7Y82Z175262

7 is 1967. The taillights are rectangular, right? The bumper goes around
the taillights in a square, right?
Y is the Wixom assembly plant
the 82 indicate the body style
the Z indicates hm, probably a 390 4v 315 hp
the last six numbers are the production serial numbers for the plant.

>
>Bottom Line- 65B (Year?) B 2AA 20F 27 I (or 1?(Axle Code?)) U
>(Tranny code?)

U would seem to indicate the cruise-o-matic transmission

Hm, if the axle code was a 1 it'd be a 3.00 to 1 regular, if it were the
letter I it would be a 4.11 limited slip!
....


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