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fordtrucks61-79-digest Wednesday, March 4 1998 Volume 02 : Number 125



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In this issue:

VIN# [Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)]
302 conversion for EB ["Mike Paz" ]
Re: electronic ignition [George Herpich ]
Re: Rattling Rocker Arms [Mike Schwall ]
Re: electronic ignition [CandyDMan ]
Re: 100mph rollover in '67 F100 ["Dale and Donna Carmine"
RE: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #120 [DC Beatty ]
RE: Rattling Rocker Arms [DC Beatty ]
Header Recommendations? [BFoster02 ]
Re: Header Recommendations? [Gardner ]
As long as we're on the subject... ["Daniel H. Jenkins"
Re: 302 swap [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: 100mph rollover in '67 F100 ["Bill Beyer" ]
Brake Lock ["Dave Walbeck" ]
Re: thanx [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: thanks.....Drivelines [Randy Collins ]
ADMIN: Opinions/feedback on web site [Ken Payne ]
As long as we're on the subject... [Randy Collins ]
Re: As long as we're on the subject... ["Deacon" ]
[Fwd: Re: 100mph rollover in '67 F100] [Tyler Wilkins
Rear disk brakes this time [Don Grossman ]
Re: Gas Filler ["Hogan, Tom" ]
In Cab Fuel Tanks [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: Rear disk brakes this time [danadeb pacbell.net]
RE: re ring a 390 [sdelanty ]

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:36:56 -0500
From: Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)
Subject: VIN#

For anyone who has not found the #'s the exact location that I found
mine on a 69 2 wd. is 3" forward of the big crossmember that goes across
under the engine on the right frame rail.

Duke's
Fine 69
F-100
302

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Date: 4 Mar 1998 15:56:08 -0800
From: "Mike Paz"
Subject: 302 conversion for EB

Subject: Time:3:40 =
PM
OFFICE MEMO 302 conversion for EB =
Date:3/4/98

I have a question for anyone about what you need and about how much $$$ =
it would cost to swap the 170 I6 in my EB for a 302 (or should I do the =
289 which came as an option on the '66)... I want to do it this spring =
and I want to prepare so that she's not down for very long...I have the =
stock Ford 3.03 tranny (would like to scrap that too)...do I need =
adapters or does it bolt up? Is there a lot of welding? Radiator? Motor =
mounts? Oil pan?

Mike
'66 Bronco, I6 170, Ford 3.03, 33's

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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 18:46:18 -0500
From: George Herpich
Subject: Re: electronic ignition

Kevin Leone wrote:
>
> Hellow there guys. I've been sitten back and finally found someting to
> respond to. I own a 63 f-100 stakebed with a 292 that I have warmed
> over.(ported heads, bigger valves, Isky cam, t-bird intake, 4-v autolite
> carb, and home-made headers) Anyway, I've been looking for a way to
> upgrade to electronic ignition, but haven't had any luck thus far. If
> you fellas figure out where I could get some sort of "kit" It would be
> of much help.
> Also, My truck still has the originall,(YUCK!) cruiso-o-matic 3speed
> automatic in it. I am in desperate need of any helpful info. on whether
> or not I am going to be able to put a c-4 or something equivelant behind
> my Y block and still retain the original engine/tranny mount setup. The
> truck has a dana 44 with 3.73's.
> Thanks!
> Kevin Leone
> 63 F-100
> Y ask Y,
> Y-blocks never die!!
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> >I have electronic ignition in my trucks 292. It is called "Piranha"
> here in
> >Finland. With it You only need to take off points and condensator, put
> >sensor assembly in and connect three wires to blackbox and other three
> >wires from blackbox (two to coil and one to ground). And then adjust
> >timing. It takes only half hour to do that ghange. If You want, I try
> to
> >find who is the manufacturer. I just need to find the installation
> papers
> >to check it.
> >
> >Tero Saarelainen
> >Finland
> >teros dlc.fi
> >'61 & '62 F-100 Unibody
> >'52 Mercury Monterey
> >'36 Ford Pickup
> >
> >----------
> >> From: Jesus Cardoso
> >> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> >> Subject: electronic ignition
> >> Date: 3. March 1998 23:45
> >>
> >> Howdy!
> >> I am here once again to pick everyones brain. I found out today
> >> that MSD, Mallory, and Excel do not make an aftermarket electronic
> >> distributor for my 292. My question is does anyone know where I can
> get
> >> one of the conversion kits?
> >> Once again thank you for everyones time.
> >>
Call Summit, 800-230-3030, ask for the Pertronix kit #PNX-1281. $67.95.
Only minutes to install (or uninstall if you don't trust it and want to
carry stock parts with you in case of emergencies).
George

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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 18:05:41 -0600
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: Re: Rattling Rocker Arms

>Anyways, when I bought it it ran great. No noise and purred like a kitten.
>Well after about 700 miles after it's initial "let's get it right" oil
>change, it
>started "ticking" on the back of the passenger side of the motor while
>idling.
> Sounds like it's coming from under the valve cover. It started with one.
> Now I have
>several. According to the dip stick I have oil. I don't have a dash guage
>and the idiot light isn't working, so I don't know if I'm having an oil
>pressure
>problem at idle. I've adjusted the idle up about 100 RPM so when the truck
>is in neutral or park it doesn't tick. At speed, it runs fine with no noise
>and

If this is a high mileage and/or the previous owner did not keep up with
the maintenence, it could be that you have low oil pressure due to
increased bearing clearances. What was the original idle RPM? Since the
noise stopped when you bumped the idle up it sounds like an oil pressure
related problem. Go and buy a cheap Sunpro mechanical oil pressure gauge
and hook it up. Tell us what oil pressure you have. I'd do that before
tearing the valve covers off or anything else.

Mike

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:30:51 EST
From: CandyDMan
Subject: Re: electronic ignition

There is a company called Pertronix Inc, that makes an electronic ignition
conversion that uses your stock distributor. You install the kit just like
you would a set of points. I know JC Whitney carries them for $76.95, but I
have seen them cheaper here in Sacramento. Using a set in my 64 Merc Comet.
They are supposed to be real good, for the money. Not finished putting the
Merc together yet, but I'll hopefully be able to give first hand experience
this time next month.

Dennis Candy
1970 F250 Crew Cab 4X4
1964 Merc Comet 202

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:36:55 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Re: 100mph rollover in '67 F100

All this talk about wrecks and rollovers reminded me of a recent local
rollover.

Last Friday a.m. we had lite snow and slippery driving conditions. I saw a
'65 4wd ford f-100 that had been lifted and was running "mudder" tires. The
driver lost control on a two lane asphalt highway, crossed over the
center-line and went into the ditch sideways. Looked like the truck made
one full rollover and then ended up resting with the passenger door against
the ground. It was very much totaled. Later I read in the paper that there
were three people in the truck, two had been thrown out, all were in the
hospital.

Moral of the story:
High lift....big tires......sideways at 60mph, is bad news!! Something to
consider before you install that extreme lift kit, IMO. (Yea I know it
looks cool).

After seeing this truck I can't imagine that anyone could survive a 100mph
rollover! That must have been one wild ride!

later,
dale c

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:52:37 -0500
From: DC Beatty
Subject: RE: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #120

Dana, though safety might well be the reason my first guess would be
federal regulation. Just like reflectors, the "caution fan" sticker and
other assorted interventions. If three people get hurt by something, the
feds call it a "crisis" and start up a new library of administrative law =
to
regulate it. =


Like the stickers you see on Pepsi machines anymore. Let 'em get squeeshe=
d
for fifty cents, I say :)

I know some old fire guys and I'll ask them if they have run into this on=

old trucks during their careers.

DC Beatty
1967 F100 352
1974 Maverick 302

Dave Williams wrote:

> =

> The cab is the strongest, safest part of a pickup truck,

Sorry I have to disagree. In a rollover the cab is likely to tweak ( like=
a
parallelogram =3D> /____/ )and in such a case the filler hose / neck
might
shear / rip off and spray fuel all over the inside of the cab. I think I
saw
safety films showing this once.

IMHO, between the frame rails is the safest place ( not outboard of the
frame
rails like the chevy's )


> which is why
> Ford started putting fuel tanks there 75 years ago. =


So why did they stop?


Dana



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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:52:45 -0500
From: DC Beatty
Subject: RE: Rattling Rocker Arms

Marko Wrote: =



passages
by the cam plug at the back. These can sometimes tend to leak and, among=

other things, muck up your clutch. >>

Yeah, my cam plug came out on the guy who had it before me. He drove it
anyway. Now I need to replace the motor. It was installed backward and th=
e
cam pushed it out.


low lifter pressure back there? >>

Mine held for the most part. It did long term damage but it would not tic=
k
unreasonably at idle when at proper oil level. Until the valve covers
filled up (see below). =




most
all the contents of your oil pan on the road every fillup.>>

Yep. Just like that. Also, the oil drainback holes through the heads were=

packed with crud on mine. All the oil would get up there and leak out the=

back of the covers. It would make lifter noise then, but only because the=
re
was no oil circulating :). Might be worth popping a valve cover off and
checking, but I'd bet the oil pump is worn out. =


Good luck Ted,

DC Beatty
1967 F100 352
1974 Maverick 302 =


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Subject: Re: Rattling Rocker Arms

One last thing, most FE engines have push-in frost plugs in the oil
passages
by the cam plug at the back. These can sometimes tend to leak and, among=

other things, muck up your clutch. I wonder if this would bleed off
pressure at the rear lifters causing low lifter pressure back there? I
kinda doubt it cause if it was any more than a seep you'd be putting most=

all the contents of your oil pan on the road every fillup. And eventuall=
y
the contents of the block as well. But anyway, word to the wise, anybody=

rebuilding an FE should take the time to tap these holes and install
threaded plugs. =



marko




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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:28:52 EST
From: BFoster02
Subject: Header Recommendations?

I watched the earlier headers discussion with interest and though I'd open the
discussion up a little for people's experiences and expertise.

I have a '76 F250 4x2 with a 390. I am definitely getting an exhaust manifold
leak and I can either have it pulled and resurfaced or convert to headers. I
am in California, so header recommendations must be smog certified.

Suggestions? Experiences? Recommendations?

Brian
Irvine CA

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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 20:48:49 -0500
From: Gardner
Subject: Re: Header Recommendations?

BFoster02 wrote:
>
> I watched the earlier headers discussion with interest and though I'd open the
> discussion up a little for people's experiences and expertise.
>
> I have a '76 F250 4x2 with a 390. I am definitely getting an exhaust manifold
> leak and I can either have it pulled and resurfaced or convert to headers. I
> am in California, so header recommendations must be smog certified.
>
> Suggestions? Experiences? Recommendations?
>
> Brian
> Irvine CA
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I own a 94 Lightning and am on a Lightning list...I have ask the same
question and pretty much every one there agrees on Bassini headers. I do
not know if they make them for your application though? I have seen a
header called the afterburner I think(JCWhitney catalog) That has I
think 1 5/8 at the head and at the first bend in the pipes becomes 2 1/4
or something like that the idea is to get the low end torque and gas
mileage of a shallow tube header and the performance of a big tube
header. Does it work? GOOD question? Sounds good. Other than that I
would say borla since they are stainless steel and think they come with
a million mile warranty!
Hope this helps
Chris

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:50:47 -0800 (PST)
From: "Daniel H. Jenkins"
Subject: As long as we're on the subject...

With all of this talk about fuel cabs being in the tank... Has
anybody every seen a super cab with a fuel tank in the truck?? I saw
today a spot which looks like it may have been marked for putting a filler
neck through. One thing, though, here would it go in a super cab?
Thanks, this has been keeping me up at night lately. :)

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Daniel H. Jenkins Food for thought: John Milton
djenkins honors.unr.edu wrote _Paradise_Lost_; When his
Honors Program wife died he wrote _Paradise_
University of Nevada, Reno _Regained_...

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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 18:22:07 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: 302 swap

Don't know for sure but I would guess on the top side of the right side frame
rail just forward of the front cab mount.

Just a guess!

Dana

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:19:15 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: 100mph rollover in '67 F100

- ----------
> From: Dale and Donna Carmine
> To: Ford Trucks
> Subject: Re: 100mph rollover in '67 F100
> Date: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 4:36 PM

>Later I read in the paper that there
> were three people in the truck, two had been thrown out, all were in the
> hospital.
>
> Moral of the story:
> High lift....big tires......sideways at 60mph, is bad news!! Something
to
> consider before you install that extreme lift kit, IMO. (Yea I know it
> looks cool).

Whoa! What...do you work for Dateline NBC? Before we start hammerin' on
lift kits I think that we need to talk about seat belts, adapting your
driving to suit the weather conditions and overall personal driving style.

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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 18:24:18 PST
From: "Dave Walbeck"
Subject: Brake Lock

Gary, Azie, & anyone interested. I was going to post what type of brake
lock I have on my 76 F250 4x4 Tow Truck (But I spaced it)
It's a MICO DUALOCK. The warning/operating tag is still on the dash.
The name of the company is Minnesota Automotive Inc. Mankato Minnesota
(Sorry no Phone # or Zip). It is meant to be used in conjunction with
the parking brake. And it says "only for use with operator in
attendance" Hope this helps.
Dave Complete and Total FORDNUT, Highboy nut, & FE Nut too!!!!!!!!!!!

______________________________________________________

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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 18:31:18 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: thanx

RANDY D wrote:
>
> would putting a 460 in it be more work?


Yes!


> wouild i have to change oil pan if it came from a car,

Yes to make life easier!


> or do any front
> end work because of weight of the 460 it drives and handles good now
> with the 351w i think it was a 6cyl truck to start with and it had a
> automatic at one time shifter still on column

Might not be a bad idea!
> . also it is a swb

SWB = short wheelbase?

> someone put a drive shaft with a carrrier bearing in it is this
> necessary?
> can i put a reguler driveshaft in it ?

My guess is that if the angle on the rear end yoke and the transmission yoke are
complimentary there should not be a problem with a single drive shaft.


Dana

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:37:13 -0800
From: Randy Collins
Subject: Re: thanks.....Drivelines

> someone put a drive shaft with a carrrier bearing in it is this
> necessary?
> can i put a reguler driveshaft in it ?

My guess is that if the angle on the rear end yoke and the transmission
yoke are complimentary there should not be a problem with a single drive
shaft.

My drivelines are at the shop. I believe my shop mentioned 68" as the
maximum length for a one piece drive shaft. Beyond that length they use a
two piece shaft utilizing a carrier bearing.

Later,

Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
460 SUPER COBRA JET
Short Block Completed...Stage II head work

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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 21:40:58 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Opinions/feedback on web site

To those interested:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/opinion.html

I got every opinion up to 9:30 EST on it except for roughly
3 "no" opinions that I forwared to all the lists last night.
Thanks for all the feedback on this advertising issue, I
appreciate everyone's honesty.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:40:01 -0800
From: Randy Collins
Subject: As long as we're on the subject...

With all of this talk about fuel cabs being in the tank... Has anybody
every seen a super cab with a fuel tank in the truck?? I saw today a spot
which looks like it may have been marked for putting a filler neck through.
One thing, though, here would it go in a super cab? Thanks, this has been
keeping me up at night lately. :)

I have never seen a Super Cab with the tanks in the cab. My 1975 has both
tanks between the frame rails.

Later,

Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
460 SUPER COBRA JET
Short Block Completed...Stage II head work

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:40:13 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: As long as we're on the subject...

From: Daniel
> With all of this talk about fuel cabs being in the tank.
>Thanks, this has been keeping me up at night lately. :)

Fuel cabs in the tank? Rest easy my friend. The fuel tank in the cab
is what we have been discussing. I admit, there would be enormous danger
in having fuel cabs in tanks! :)

>anybody every seen a super cab with a fuel tank in the truck?? I saw
>today a spot which looks like it may have been marked for putting a
filler
>neck through.

There may have been an option for an in cab fuel tank. I don't know
that much about super cabs. I looked in my '73 F100 and '76 F350 cab
after the post concerning the cover plate. My '73 F100 has nothing for
an in cab tank. Looking at my '76 F350 there are mounting tabs A hole
for the filler neck and holes for the fuel line and vent lines. I wonder
if there are two different cabs. One for a tank option and one without.

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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 22:18:20 -0600
From: Tyler Wilkins
Subject: [Fwd: Re: 100mph rollover in '67 F100]

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I don't have
> any knowledge of a tank in a cab catching on fire (that's not to say it
> doesn't happen). If anyone knows of a case study or personal experience
> to show otherwise, I would be interested in reading it. I base my belief
> on personal experience and testimonies like Richards.
> Later!
>

I've got story for you bomb fearing Ford drivers......
Being the FORD nut i am about two weeks ago I stopped in a parking lot
where I saw a firetruck and a pretty distraught FORD owner and several
fireman standing around the remains of '74 F-250 Plow truck, the first
thing out of my mouth was, "Wanna Sell it?", seems the owner was plowing
the parking lot when his truck caught fire for one reason or another.
The truck was fried! All the glass had melted, the valve covers had been
burned off so the valves were exposed, the seat was nothing but coils,
there was a hole in the roof! So obviously this was no minor engine
fire, all the paint even on the tailgate as completely gone even though
the fire never made its way across the bed. This owner had been worried
about the gas tank behind the seat thing so he mounted it outside the
cab in the front of the bed, so really he only moved it back 2 inches or
so. It remained full of gas throughout the fire! At the end it was
still 3/4 of the way full as it had been before the fire. Although it
wasn't in the middle of heat as it would have been if in the cab it
still was in some serious heat without incident! The matter of 2 inches
i don't think would have made a real diffence, especially since it was
still directly in fire and heat seeing as he had miscellaneous debri in
the front of the bed which was all burned to a crisp. I would have to
think if the tank was only maybe an eigth of the way full it may have
been different, but still the fact remains, IT DID NOT BLOW up. And I
can't think of any worse conditions that could occur.
There are a few hints that can lessen your risks of blow up to, without
these things may be different. If anybody has any other ideas let me
know, writting this I thought of a few:
-You would really need to go over all your fuel line and make sure you
have all steel lines, I know on my '73 there is about a 5" piece of
rubber line right after the line comes through the floor, if a serious
fire were to occur as above, this hose would melt releasing all the
contents of the tank and eventually allowing the flames up the tube once
the gas had drained, allowing the fumes in the tank to do the whole bomb
thing.(this applies to even under the bed tanks but would be less
crucial seeing as it wouldn't be as big of a deal blew up under the bed
as opposed to in the cab!) Also doing this to the filler neck would be
cruicial to make this effective, along with having a good gas cap.
-Another idea would be a manual fuel shut off switch early on the line
(close to the tank), this again would prevent flames from entering the
tank and doing the whole bomb thing. This obviously would only be
effective if you had time to reach behind the seat and shut it off, but
usually you would on most fires i've seen. This could also serve as an
easy anti-theft device, crackable to a serious theif but they probably
wouldn't bother, the truck would run for a while and then konk, most
theifs won't take the time to figure out why the truck won't re-start,
they'll just bail.

Just my $.02
really like it

Any other ideas?

Tyler Wilkins
'73 F-250 4x4, 360, 4-speed, 33" BFG's
'79 F-100 4x2, 400 (finally a 400! (previously a 351M)), C-6
(the '74's gone, :( )


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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 20:25:43 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Rear disk brakes this time

Ok, ya'll

I am looking at doing a disk brake conversion on the rear this time. So
far I have been looking at the 73-39 Dana 60 kit by TSM. Here is the
link to the bronco site for some more background.

www.off -road. com /4x4web/ford/bigbroncos/tech/reardisc/

Anyways, in the process of doing some junkyard searches for parts I
came accross two Caddys with the calipers. I think I can get the
calipers for $30 a piece if anyone is interested. My problem is that
the 73-79 Dana 60's are different than the model I have in my truck.
TSM says that they need to much machining of parts to work with their
caliper brackets. So if I were to make my own caliper brackets ($120
just for thier brackets) for cheaper and find a set of disks (73-87
Ch*by were the disk of choice and about the ezist and cheapest to find)
$45.95 at JCW's I would be in business. Anybody have any experience in
this area?

As a side note 73 F250 4x4 3500lb front axle 360, 4 speed, and NP205 is
in the yard complete and for sale. I think they want about $2000 for
it. It is clean and in fairly good shape. Body is great, interior is
plain. If anyone in the Northern California area I can dig up some more
details.

In another side note I also found a power steering box and springs
still on a 78 4x4 F-250. This changes all my plans. I was going to
convert to a 77 F-150 coil spring suspension and steering but if I get
the F-250 stuff I might not have to and get to keep the leaf springs.
What to do What to do.
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-100 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and on board air.

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:25:46 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: Re: Gas Filler

Decon, Buddy,
Been There Done That!!!! I always thought it was silly to have condoms
on the end of the pump nozzle if they didn't let the nozzle get far
enough into the filler neck to prevent the gas from back-splashing. Had
the exact same problem on mine and my dad's 76's. Mine is a SuperCab so
there IS no tank in the cab. I have dual tanks mounted under the bed
and neither of them would take gas worth a plug nickle. My dad's was a
crew cab and the main tank was in the cab, the aux was at the front of
the bed. The main tank filled fine the aux tank (in the bed) not worth
a dang! I guess the in cab tank has enough of a down angle that the gas
pretty much falls into the tank. Any tank mounted under the bed is
subject to the two 90 degree bends to get to the tank and the gas just
backs up. Would really freeze my hand off in the winter.

I was thinking about carrying around a piece of rubber hose the same ID
as the OD of the pump nozzle but never actually tried it. I thought if
I could extend the pump further into the filler neck it would solve the
problem. The way I ended up solving the problem was to swap the bed
with a 77 or later that has doors instead of gas caps on the side of the
bed. With the door the filler opening points up and one of the 90
degree bends is eliminated. Haven't had a problem since. You can
either swap beds or have a body shop graft in the section of the bed
with the filler doors. Be sure and get the filler neck for the later
truck. I don't know if your planning on putting that kind of effort
into your truck but keep it in mind. I was planning on it and trying to
figure out the finances when a lady down the street made it possible by
hitting the truck!!!! That's when I love insurance. Good luck and
thanks for the chance to rant.

Tom H
76 SuperCab 390FE with retrofitted factory interval wipers and factory
cruise control!!



It's really simple. It scared people. When I first bought my '73
F100 I was glad that the tank was in the rear, it gave me room behind my
seat. Now I'm not all that happy with it. There will never be a gas
shortage as long as my truck puts $2 back in the ground with every $15
that goes in the tank. I've changed the filler neck and vent line. Even
using the old type pumps gas comes up the filler neck. It's not worth
dropping the tank to fix. My '76 F350 has the tank in the cab. Fills
without a problem, all the vent lines are good doesn't have a dent in
it.

Snip

Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net

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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 21:01:31 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: In Cab Fuel Tanks

Check out this site not exactly to the point but interesting info!

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.autosafetyexpert.com/fueltank.htm

Dana

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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 21:26:50 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Rear disk brakes this time

Don Grossman wrote:
>
> Ok, ya'll
>
> I am looking at doing a disk brake conversion on the rear this time. So
> far I have been looking at the 73-39 Dana 60 kit by TSM.....


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