fordtrucks61-79-digest Friday, February 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 103



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In this issue:

Re: Trim Your Posts ["Dale and Donna Carmine" ]
Re: fixing the ignion switch [RL ]
Re: 73 grill for a 79 ["Dale and Donna Carmine" ]
Re: Truck theft [Kurt Albershardt ]
Re: Truck theft ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: f100 fishy steering ["Dennis K. Austin" ]
Re: stan's headers ["Deacon" ]
460 valve adjustment [SARHOG aol.com]
Re: Stopping the Thieves.... ["Dennis K. Austin" ]
Re: Disable Siwtches ["Dennis K. Austin" ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #98 [Butch33333 aol.com]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #98 [SuperMagot aol.com]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #98 [Tony Marino ]
Re: stan's headers [marko ]
Re: stan's headers [marko ]
Axle ratios [Dan Koster ]
Compression Ratio [Dan Koster ]
Re: f-250 springs [Tony Marino ]
Re: 460 valve adjustment []

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:49:23 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Re: Trim Your Posts

Ken said;
>When replying to a long
>post, please trim the original so that only the portions that are
>relevant to your reply are left.

Thank you Ken, long overdue IMO.

Dale c

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:10:40 -0600 (CST)
From: RL
Subject: Re: fixing the ignion switch

I replaced my igintion in the truck with another one. Is there a way to
stablize it. As when starting it you have to hold it still to start or it
rotates in the hole.
Thanks
Ryan

1971 Torino 500, 1971 F-100, 1977 Hornet Sportabout,
1978 New Yorker e-mail: st0478 student-mail.jsu.edu
Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/9027
Fairlane Club of America, American Station Wagon Owners
Association

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:57:47 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Re: 73 grill for a 79

Sleddog said;

> the bolts holding the grill on were a real b**ch to get to even with
>a LONG extension and swivel. lots of cut knuckels.

I just changed the grill shell on my '79. Someone should find the engineer
who decided those bolts should go from under the fender out through the
radiator support and make him spend the rest of his days removing/installing
the d*mn things!

later,
dale c

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:22:36 -0800
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: Re: Truck theft

At 01:32 PM 2/19/98 -0800, Deacon wrote:
>>The best way to prevent theft on these trucks is install a fuel shutoff
>swithc
>>(as I did) so the truck will die somewhere within a few hundre yards of
>the
>>theft and the thiefs are certainly not going to stick around.
>
> And why is that? Are they afraid some concerned citizen will see
>them? The best thing a criminal has going for them is the lack of
>concern people have with what's going on around them. Ron and Nicole
>were stabbed to death in the courtyard of a condo and no one seen or
>heard anything. It was late, people were asleep? Ron and Nicole were
>trying to be quiet so they wouldn't wake them up? A hundred people seen
>it happen and a hundred people didn't want to get involved. If people
>don't give a damn about others and will do nothing to stop a criminal
>from committing a crime, what device will!

This fits with my question for people about to waste money on a car alarm:


What do YOU do when you hear one going off?

A) Grab my gun and run to stop the offending miscreant.
-- or --
B) Assume it's going off for no good reason and ignore it.



>minds that we're not going to take it any more or sit in our living
>rooms watching the news and when we hear our neighbors scream bloody
>murder we can turn to our spouse and say "See Honey, our motion detector
>worked. I told Bill and Barb they should get one. Bet their sorry now!"


To be fair, risk assesment is the basis of all security decisions
(including encryption.) At some point the decision becomes "Does the cost
of obtaining the goods exceed the value of the goods?"

Most of what we do is work to increase the cost (or at least the perceived
cost) of acquisition, with a little bit of effort on decreasing the
perceived value in the case of some of us older truck drivers ;>

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:06:31 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: Truck theft

- ----------
> From: Deacon
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: Truck theft
> Date: Thursday, February 19, 1998 1:32 PM

> >The best way to prevent theft on these trucks is install a fuel shutoff
> swithc
> >(as I did) so the truck will die somewhere within a few hundre yards of
> the
> >theft and the thiefs are certainly not going to stick around.
>
> And why is that? Are they afraid some concerned citizen will see
> them? The best thing a criminal has going for them is the lack of
> concern people have with what's going on around them. Ron and Nicole
> were stabbed to death in the courtyard of a condo and no one seen or
> heard anything. It was late, people were asleep? Ron and Nicole were
> trying to be quiet so they wouldn't wake them up? A hundred people seen
> it happen and a hundred people didn't want to get involved. If people
> don't give a damn about others and will do nothing to stop a criminal
> from committing a crime, what device will!
>
It's a little difficult to be "apathetic" about 18 feet of pickup parked
blocking the middle of a parking lot or road. If the thief leaves it
because the engine died it's at least going to attract some attention and
prompt some kind of response and they can trace you because of the lic
plates.

> From: Bill Beyer
> >I think
> >the goal isn't necessarily to make a truck "theft-proof" but to make it
> >"theft-resistant" enough to make the bad guy keep on walkin' to the
> next
> >guys truck ;-)
>
> So really all I need to do is help the bad guy take your truck and
> my truck will be safe. :) This is what a criminal is counting on. People
> protect themselves by hoping it happens to the next guy and not them.
> The only way we can stop criminals from committing crimes against us, is
> for us to make a concerted effort to protect the property of others. To
> be only concerned with protecting ones own property is inviting crime.
> The problem we have with crime these days, isn't do to the boldness or
> skill of the criminal but the apathy of the people.
> I am not pointing a finger at anyone, I'm as guilty as any. I'm
> pointing out the problem and suggesting a solution. We can make up our
> minds that we're not going to take it any more or sit in our living
> rooms watching the news and when we hear our neighbors scream bloody
> murder we can turn to our spouse and say "See Honey, our motion detector
> worked. I told Bill and Barb they should get one. Bet their sorry now!"
> A study to find the level of apathy in America would be an
> interesting subject. I was thinking of doing one but decided I really
> didn't care! :)

You or I can't force anyone to do anything they don't want to do. If people
aren't smart enough or are too apathetic to protect themselves and/or their
property then what am I supposed to do? I'm more than willing to respond to
cries for help from a neighbor or even a stranger but by then it may be too
late!

I have a responsibility to protect my family and myself to the best of my
ability. I also feel a responsibility to help my fellow man even to the
point of risking my life. I spent 3 years as a paramedic, I've been there
and done that. If Bill and Barb are screaming bloody murder then I'm the
first one there with the biggest d**n gun I own! But if Bill and Barb have
their truck stolen while mine wasn't because I took the effort to make mine
a little harder to steal, sorry, ain't my fault!

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 20:22:39 -0600
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: Re: f100 fishy steering

I do not know if this will help, but I remember my father's big Merc
wagon had steerling/handling problems. The big thing was cornering and
some wander. This was a new car that should not have those problems,
but Ford didn't have a suggestion. Of course back in '73 a wagon's
rearend was all over the place!

Well, again one of those ol' guys suggested that on a long heavy vehicle
it was recommended that the front tires be one size larger than the rear
for tracking. I want to remember that he had H series radials on the
car and switched the front to Gs. Anyways, after he did the switch that
thing tracked great. Then to stop the rearend sway and bounce he got
the airbags that went inside the coils. Wow! What a difference that
made. I actually took it out cruising and racing back then and I won
quite a few stop light races.

- -=DENNIS=-

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:03:01 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: stan's headers

From: marko
>Well, I got my Stan's today.
>
>Wow! What a set of headers.

I wish I could get some for my F350. I asked them if they were
street legal. Yes they are, except in California! They are nice and well
built. It's OK to spend a little more when your getting better and
Stan's headers are as good as they get.
It's funny their not CARB approved when there's cheap crap that is.
No doubt Stan's isn't willing to comply with some stupid CARB
requirement.

>Now to bolt them up to my 410 marauder and hear that monster roar!

When are you going to be able to get them on? They told me they come
with all the hardware. Is that true? How does it look as far as
clearance between the tubes and bolt heads.

I hate you Marko! If you can have them in tree hugger heaven Canada, Why
can't I have them here!
How's the Merc coming?
Later!

Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:38:44 EST
From: SARHOG aol.com
Subject: 460 valve adjustment

OK guys, help me out here. How do you adjust the valves on a 460? I have a
72 460 with 68 heads, RV cam and hydraulic lifters.
I have read the Haynes manual on it, and it says to turn the crankshaft to
certain positions so that the one I am adjusting is on the low part of the cam
lobe, then torque the rocker arm nut.
What it does not address is this... my rocker arm nuts have an allen head
"adjusting stud?" in the center of it. Obviously I need to set some kind of
clearance between the rocker and the pushrod or valve or something with it.
Does any of this sound familiar to y'all? Do I just get them snug before I
torque them?
Last time I had the valve covers off, I discovered the #1 intake pushrod had
approx. 1/4" of up/down play between it and the rocker arm, so I adjusted the
allen stud thing until the pushrod would spin with just a slight resistance
but I'm not sure that's right.
Let me know if you need more details, thanks for the help.

John Z
67 F-100 460/C-6

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 20:42:11 -0600
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: Re: Stopping the Thieves....

I do not know if you guys have heard, but the makers of "The Club" are
now making models that glow in the dark. The reason is that they found
out some people in the dark are busting windows and then noticing the
club on the wheel. Now before they bust the window they will see the
club glowing there...

By the way... for you guys that are interested. There is a clearance
store here in Bossier City that has about a hundred yellow "Clubs" for
trucks priced at $9.99 each. I might be able to do something for those
interested by postal money orders. However, I will need to see what it
will cost for packaging and shipping by snail mail.

Let me know!

- -=DENNIS=-
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:53:23 -0800
> From: "Bill Beyer"
> Subject: Re: Ignition Disable Switch
>
> - ----------
> > From: sdelanty
> > To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> > Subject: Re: Ignition Disable Switch
> > Date: Wednesday, February 18, 1998 7:48 PM
> >
> > Oh man, I hate to here about someones ride being stolen... )-:
> >
> > I've been thinking about truck theft lately. (as a potential

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:00:00 -0600
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: Re: Disable Siwtches

I saw another one that had a remote that you keep in your pocket, that
when the thief takes off down the road you just point it at the car,
push a button, and it shuts off the ignition by radio signal.

There is another car alarm out there that sits in the front seat. Runs
on batteries and can be plugged into the lighter. However, it waits for
a slight change ...decrease in cabin pressure such as when someone opens
the door and it goes off. Supposedly you can get a painful earful out
of some models of it.

However, I think James Bond had the best one!!! If I can't keep my car
then you can't have it either. KABLOOM!!! Scratch one car thief! I
wonder if the insurance company would cover....

You guys know that the big trucking companies have the Satallite
Tracking Systems. One such company that is very serious is Coca Cola.
They treat their syrup tankers like gold. I have an uncle who drives
one and they want to know where the syrup tankers are every minute. How
many bottles of Coke can you get out of one tanker?

I have some relatives that are into freight brokerage and they have
those tracking systems. Once one of their trucks was stolen and the
tracking system ID the town and street location of the truck. It was in
a small town. They called the sherrifs office there reported the truck
stolen from where it had been and then told the sherrif's office where
the tracking system said it was sitting.... and would they go over and
recovery the truck? The response they got back floored them. They were
told, "If you know where your truck is then why don't you go get it?!?!"

Now whats wrong with that picture???

- -=DENNIS=-

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:35:10 EST
From: Butch33333 aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #98

i have a 1969 f250 every time i take off from a stop there is a loud thump
coming from the back of the truck can anyone tell me what that is?????
thanks butch 33333 awol.com

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:50:27 EST
From: SuperMagot aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #98

In a message dated 98-02-19 22:36:11 EST, you write:


thump
coming from the back of the truck can anyone tell me what that is?????
thanks butch 33333 awol.com >>

well, if you mean a "clunk" its probably u-joints....
get under the truck and try and twist the axle around. If it moves too much
(too much slack in the u-joint) then they are probably bad.

- - Mike

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Date: Tue, 06 Feb 1996 23:39:05 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #98

Butch33333 aol.com wrote:
>
> i have a 1969 f250 every time i take off from a stop there is a loud thump
> coming from the back of the truck can anyone tell me what that is?????
> thanks butch 33333 awol.com

U-bolts?

Tony Marino

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:56:07 -0800
From: marko
Subject: Re: stan's headers

>When are you going to be able to get them on? They told me they come
>with all the hardware. Is that true? How does it look as far as
>clearance between the tubes and bolt heads.
>
>I hate you Marko! If you can have them in tree hugger heaven Canada, Why
>can't I have them here!
>How's the Merc coming?
>Later!
>
Hey Deke.

There looks to be plenty of clearance to get the bolts in. No problems
there. There is SO much meat on these headers it ain't funny. Nothing
subtle about them.

The merc is probably just out of the bath at Redi Strip now. Tomorrow I rip
the ford f250 chassis apart and maybe pick up the body for some minor
welding (one cab mount has a rust hole the size of a dime, the doors have
drill holes for mirrors I want filled). Then when it's done I get the whole
thing dipped in zinc phosphate. Then bodywork begins.

Has anyone rebuilt the springs on a 250? Are the bushings easily available,
and if so does anyone have part numbers?

BTW I hate you too, but only cause you hate me ;-].

I'll post a full update on the resto on Monday.

marko in vancouver
marko helix.net

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:57:50 -0800
From: marko
Subject: Re: stan's headers

At 09:56 PM 2/19/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
>>When are you going to be able to get them on? They told me they come
>>with all the hardware. Is that true?

Yes. A bag of long header bolts, premium thick gaskets (about 3/16) and the
flanges, they're the ball and socket type. Massive.


marko

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:40:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Koster
Subject: Axle ratios

Anybody have any idea what the axles & axles ratios would be for my
stock '63 F100 2WD Longbed Unibody?

Thanks,

Dan





_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:44:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Koster
Subject: Compression Ratio

What is the most likely compression ratio on my never-been-bored '61
FE 390?

Thanks,

Dan




_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 00:14:38 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: f-250 springs

> Has anyone rebuilt the springs on a 250? Are the bushings easily available,
> and if so does anyone have part numbers?
> marko in vancouver
> marko helix.net

Yeah, had all 4 done on a '72 here at Stuver Spring in Ohio. Bushings
are two different sizes, (front of leaf, rear of leaf) Ran about $140
to get all 4 re-arched and 2 added leafs. Bushings run about $8 bucks a
piece. Should be able to find them at any reputable spring shop. (if
not, go urethane)

I have the entire ford shop manual set for '78 and for '72 ford trucks,
but I'll be darned if I can find the bushing number. Sorry.

Tony Marino

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:59:37 -0800
From:
Subject: Re: 460 valve adjustment

SARHOG aol.com wrote:

> OK guys, help me out here. How do you adjust the valves on a 460? I have a
> 72 460 with 68 heads, RV cam and hydraulic lifters.
> I have read the Haynes manual on it, and it says to turn the crankshaft to
> certain positions so that the one I am adjusting is on the low part of the cam
> lobe, then torque the rocker arm nut.
> What it does not address is this... my rocker arm nuts have an allen head
> "adjusting stud?" in the center of it. Obviously I need to set some kind of
> clearance between the rocker and the pushrod or valve or something with it.
> Does any of this sound familiar to y'all? Do I just get them snug before I
> torque them?
> Last time I had the valve covers off, I discovered the #1 intake pushrod had
> approx. 1/4" of up/down play between it and the rocker arm, so I adjusted the
> allen stud thing until the pushrod would spin with just a slight resistance
> but I'm not sure that's right.
> Let me know if you need more details, thanks for the help.
>
> John Z
> 67 F-100 460/C-6

Apparently you have an aftermarket adjustable rocker arm kit, as the Haynes manual
is assuming non-adjustable rocker arms. I used the shim method under my rocker
stands so didnt get into the adjustable boogie.

The following method is what I used with the adjustable rocker arms in my brand X
car before I saw the light. Please note that I am not familiar with your kit and
if any of the Guru's have a better method, or Ford specific experience..go with
it! Lacking any other input, give it a try and see if it works.

1. With the engine off, set all the rockers so that the pushrods just barely
depress the cup in the lifter when the lifter is on the peak of the cam lobe (high
point), not the base circle.

2. Start the engine with the rocker covers off and wait for full oil pressure,
hopefully this will not take too long. :-) Note that you may hear a lot of valve
clatter, if so, adjust each of the rocker arm nuts in one full turn. Repeat until
the noise stops.

Also note that the rocker covers are off so now there is oil all over the place
unless you have a set of covers with a cutout in them for access to the adjusting
nuts. (Something all savvy brand X motorheads have in their garage.) I have never
had much success with the little clips that supposedly keep oil from splashing off
the rockers, plus they do nothing for the oil that drips over the edge of the head
at the rear of the engine.

3. Slowly back out the adjusting nut until you hear the rocker clicking against
the valve, it WILL be obvious. Turn the nut back in until the clicking stops.

4. Give the adjusting nut another 1/4 turn tighter and secure it with the allen....


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