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fordtrucks61-79-digest Thursday, January 8 1998 Volume 02 : Number 010



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In this issue:

My plugs were covered in carbon... ["Terry Sherman"
Re: 1977 351M [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: torque converters [SAR HOG ]
TORQUE CONVERTORS ??? [Brian & Jacque Milbrandt ]
Re: 66 E-Line Pickup [danadeb pacbell.net]
RE JMs 427 Flywheel [BULL229 ]
RE: C6 wide ratio gearsets [Tyler Abbott ]
Re: 351M [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: TORQUE CONVERTORS ??? ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: TORQUE CONVERTORS ??? [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Re: RE JMs 427 Flywheel [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Re: clutch [CandyDMan ]
Re: looking for 390 4bbl manifold [shoman p3.net]
Disc Brakes [CandyDMan ]
My plugs were covered in carbon... ["Terry Sherman"
77 F150 351M Vacuum line routing [Gregg Park ]
Re: 77 F150 351M Vacuum line routing [Tyler Wilkins ]
C-6 Shift Kits ["woody" ]
Re: Carb Trivia ["Dale and Donna Carmine" ]
Torque convertors [Brian & Jacque Milbrandt ]
Re:460 & AOD, was Digest V2 #5 [Kurt Albershardt ]
Re: C-6 Wide Ratio Gearsets ["Dale and Donna Carmine"

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:43:04 -0600
From: "Terry Sherman"
Subject: My plugs were covered in carbon...

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I have a 1976 Ford Highboy with a 360 V8. My plugs were covered in =
carbon so I replaced them. But before and still now I have a black film =
that appears quickly (like in one day) on the rim of my exhaust pipe! It =
also has very faint black smoke out the exhaust too. The guy I bought it =
from said it was rebuilt 5000 miles ago so thats about 7000 now... My =
truck now seems to be sucking up gas like there is no tomorrow! I just =
used some GUMOUT Carb cleaner cause It was stuck. (read as hard to move =
by hand...) Now the carb/choke seems fine.

Thank you,
Terry Sherman
'76 Ford Highboy...
'84 Ford Bronco II

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I have a 1976 Ford Highboy with a 360 V8. My plugs =
were covered=20
in carbon so I replaced them. But before and still now I have a black =
film that=20
appears quickly (like in one day) on the rim of my exhaust pipe! It also =
has=20
very faint black smoke out the exhaust too. The guy I bought it from =
said it was=20
rebuilt 5000 miles ago so thats about 7000 now... My truck now seems to =
be=20
sucking up gas like there is no tomorrow! I just used some GUMOUT Carb =
cleaner=20
cause It was stuck. (read as hard to move by hand...) Now the carb/choke =
seems=20
fine.
Thank=20
you,         Terry =
Sherman'76=20
Ford Highboy...'84 Ford Bronco II

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 15:06:40 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: 1977 351M

This is a reach: check the timing if it is too retarded it will tend to
overheat.

Dana

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:06:49 EST
From: SAR HOG
Subject: Re: torque converters

In a message dated 98-01-07 14:23:36 EST, you write:

> What it means is that at normal
> highway speeds the converter never gets close to equilibrium so it's
> like having a lower high gear, maybe like running in second all the
> time.

That's exactly what it feels like!

> He probably has a shift kit in it to make it shift harder.

I think it does have a shift kit, but the "clunking" I feel is more like the
bands are sticking together, then releasing.....I think....

> The wide ratio is a good way to go but you shouldn't need 3.5 gears
with a 460

A friend of mine has an old Fairlane with 3.50 gears he wants to trade for
mine. I figured something a little higher than that would be better, but
that's all I've got and has to be an improvement over the 4.11's. It'll be
nice to drive to work without starin' at the tach sittin' on 4000rpm all the
way!

John Z
67 F-100 460/C-6

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 17:33:36 -0500
From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Subject: TORQUE CONVERTORS ???

O.k People...

Did I just screw up ?? I put my 460 in the '64 last week. The truck had
a 400 in it before, bolted up to a C6. I didn't even think about the
torque convertor...should I have replaced the one from the 400 motor to
one for a 460 ??? Oh please tell me I'm ok !!


Thanks...Brian

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 15:32:33 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: 66 E-Line Pickup

Cool!!!
I had a 63 Econoline van that I swapped a 289 into. It had a stock front sway
bar. ( only 1/2 to 3/4" dia ) I didn't have any handling problems.

Watch the tie rod to front of oil pan clearance and make sure that the new
engine cover sides are as wide as you can for "work on it later" clearance.

Stock worn-out front springs worked ok but the body to frame clearance was only
2" or so with the 289 ( 351W weighs more )

Also watch out for the throttle cable in the full open position I installed mine
incorrectly and got it stuck in the wide open position.( one wild ride once I
was tossed to the passenger seat and finished the ride in the rear end of a
parked car!!!!!!!! )

Good Luck!

Dana

P.S. I would do it again, Fun Fun Van!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:27:48 EST
From: BULL229
Subject: RE JMs 427 Flywheel

Hey JM, go ahead and get a 360 flywheel out of the millions of trucks out
there. All FE's ex the 428 and 410 are internally balanced and it will be a
bolt up with correct balancing, plus you get the beauty of an 11 in clutch.

BOY I love all this FE talk! I have my 71 F100 shortbed 4wd, a 70 Mustang
with a stroked 427, and a pile of treasures my wife would like me to get rid
of, Its fun to talk about this stuff!

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:32:33 -0800
From: Tyler Abbott
Subject: RE: C6 wide ratio gearsets

>From the Jan. 98 edition of 4x4 Power magizine (Artical "Low Down and
Dirity"). A-1 Automatic Transmission of Canoga Park, CA is the company
named. There is only one gear set listed. A 2.72 first for 11% lower and
1.54 second for 5% lower.
Hope this helps.
- -Tyler-

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 15:39:39 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: 351M

Sorry!!! a 351W is not a punched out 302 it is a totally different block.

It is built with the same design and many parts are interchangeable

....BUT:

It is an inch or so higher from crank to deck and the bore is larger. The crank
dia is larger and the firing order is different.

Dana

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:36:55 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: TORQUE CONVERTORS ???

The SVO catalog I have lists the same part # hi-perf converter for both
the 400 and the '71 & later 460. The only difference between the older ones
and the newer ones is a larger pilot diameter. As long as it fit I don't
think you have a problem.

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> From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
> To: Fordtrucks
> Subject: TORQUE CONVERTORS ???
> Date: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 2:33 PM
>
> O.k People...
>
> Did I just screw up ?? I put my 460 in the '64 last week. The truck had
> a 400 in it before, bolted up to a C6. I didn't even think about the
> torque convertor...should I have replaced the one from the 400 motor to
> one for a 460 ??? Oh please tell me I'm ok !!
>
>
> Thanks...Brian

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 16:09:58 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: TORQUE CONVERTORS ???

You should be fine, unless you found that the 400 was winding out while
driving down the highway.

The rpm of the convertor, if I'm not mistaken, determines the fluid pressure
produced, doesn't it. the engine's power dictates how quickly and/or easily
the engine builds up the necessary fluid pressure and keeps it there. So
according to my theory (and I have been known to be wrong before) your 460
will make the same rpm as the 400 did to create the same motive power, but
will create it faster.

Right?


marko in vancouver

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 16:15:14 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: RE JMs 427 Flywheel

>Hey JM, go ahead and get a 360 flywheel out of the millions of trucks out
>there. All FE's ex the 428 and 410 are internally balanced and it will be a
>bolt up with correct balancing, plus you get the beauty of an 11 in clutch.
>
>BOY I love all this FE talk! I have my 71 F100 shortbed 4wd, a 70 Mustang
>with a stroked 427, and a pile of treasures my wife would like me to get rid
>of, Its fun to talk about this stuff!


No kidding.

Do you think the boys at ford's engine design shop were just like kids in a
candy store? i mean, they started with the (well I know the 330 but lets'
ignore that one) 352, then they bored it (360), then they stroked it (390),
then they stroked it some more (410), then they bored it again (428). Not
to mention the 406 and 427.

Certainly my dream job has passed me by.


marko in vancouver

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:19:45 EST
From: CandyDMan
Subject: Re: clutch

>From what I understand, the three finger disign works fine under normal
circumstances, but if you are planning on using it for a high performance
application, you would be better off going with the cneterforce or other brand
that has more fingers

Dennis

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 19:30:02 -0800
From: shoman p3.net
Subject: Re: looking for 390 4bbl manifold

Garry,
I'm near Phila,PA...How far are you from there????And how cheap
are we talking???let me know???Might have to do a road trip to you :)

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:36:19 EST
From: CandyDMan
Subject: Disc Brakes

I have a 1970 F250 4X4 Crew Cab that I want to put Power Disc Brakes on. I
have been told that the easiest way to do this is to put a newer front end
under it. What I need to know, is how new can I go? I know the front
suspension changes somewhere along the line, I'm just not sure where that line
is.

Also if anyone has a reasonablly priced front end that would work for me I'm
interested. Would like to add Power Steering to the beast too.

Thanks, Dennis

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:43:04 -0600
From: "Terry Sherman"
Subject: My plugs were covered in carbon...

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I have a 1976 Ford Highboy with a 360 V8. My plugs were covered in =
carbon so I replaced them. But before and still now I have a black film =
that appears quickly (like in one day) on the rim of my exhaust pipe! It =
also has very faint black smoke out the exhaust too. The guy I bought it =
from said it was rebuilt 5000 miles ago so thats about 7000 now... My =
truck now seems to be sucking up gas like there is no tomorrow! I just =
used some GUMOUT Carb cleaner cause It was stuck. (read as hard to move =
by hand...) Now the carb/choke seems fine.

Thank you,
Terry Sherman
'76 Ford Highboy...
'84 Ford Bronco II

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I have a 1976 Ford Highboy with a 360 V8. My plugs =
were covered=20
in carbon so I replaced them. But before and still now I have a black =
film that=20
appears quickly (like in one day) on the rim of my exhaust pipe! It also =
has=20
very faint black smoke out the exhaust too. The guy I bought it from =
said it was=20
rebuilt 5000 miles ago so thats about 7000 now... My truck now seems to =
be=20
sucking up gas like there is no tomorrow! I just used some GUMOUT Carb =
cleaner=20
cause It was stuck. (read as hard to move by hand...) Now the carb/choke =
seems=20
fine.
Thank=20
you,         Terry =
Sherman'76=20
Ford Highboy...'84 Ford Bronco II

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:15:23 -0800
From: Gregg Park
Subject: 77 F150 351M Vacuum line routing

In addition to the overheating problem I=92m battling, I have some =
other
performance problems with the motor that I hope I can get some advice
on. It=92s a 1977 351M with a 2 barrel. Original California vehicle. =
Does
anyone have a schematic to show me where the various vacuum lines go??=20
The hood sticker was removed by some _*_ (probably an Earl Schibe
employee, judging by the peeling paint under the hood), and I have no
idea what =BD the stuff is supposed to do, let alone whether it=92s =
hooked
up right. The line that is supposed to open the fresh air port on the
air cleaner snorkel apparently works. Also, the line that goes from the
top of the carb bowl to the carbon can seems to be hooked up right. I
think the vacuum advance is right, since I only get Vacuum advance upon
revving it a bit. I need a map to figure this out. This motor can=92t =
be
the dog that it appears to be. It=92s takes forever to warm up (Thermo =
is
fine) and even when the gauge does get to the normal zone, it takes
another bit before the backfires, stumbles off the line, etc finally go
away. Then it=92s still gutless. Sorry to ramble here, but I think as
one of the experienced contributors to this great group said to me =
=93Get
it back to the way it was built, then go from there=94 . I think =
that=92s
great advice, so I=92m gonna try. I=92d love to make this thing work. =
It=92s
really a pretty truck, with low miles, and a straight body. It=92s =
just
such a dog. It makes no sense, considering it=92s sucking down a =
gallon
of premium for every 10 miles.=20
I use it to tow a boat, I need reliable power. I=92d love to find a =
390,
and build it to the hilt, but Mr. Pollution man would get me. I wish =
it
were a 73 now.=20
Thanks,
Gregg
=20

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 19:55:10 -0600
From: Tyler Wilkins
Subject: Re: 77 F150 351M Vacuum line routing

Gregg Park wrote:
>
> In addition to the overheating problem Iím battling, I have some other
> performance problems with the motor that I hope I can get some advice
> on. Itís a 1977 351M with a 2 barrel. Original California vehicle. Does
> anyone have a schematic to show me where the various vacuum lines go??
> The hood sticker was removed by some _*_ (probably an Earl Schibe
> employee, judging by the peeling paint under the hood), and I have no
> idea what Ĺ the stuff is supposed to do, let alone whether itís hooked
> up right. The line that is supposed to open the fresh air port on the
> air cleaner snorkel apparently works. Also, the line that goes from the
> top of the carb bowl to the carbon can seems to be hooked up right. I
> think the vacuum advance is right, since I only get Vacuum advance upon
> revving it a bit. I need a map to figure this out. This motor canít be
> the dog that it appears to be. Itís takes forever to warm up (Thermo is
> fine) and even when the gauge does get to the normal zone, it takes
> another bit before the backfires, stumbles off the line, etc finally go
> away. Then itís still gutless. Sorry to ramble here, but I think as
> one of the experienced contributors to this great group said to me ďGet
> it back to the way it was built, then go from thereĒ . I think thatís
> great advice, so Iím gonna try. Iíd love to make this thing work. Itís
> really a pretty truck, with low miles, and a straight body. Itís just
> such a dog. It makes no sense, considering itís sucking down a gallon
> of premium for every 10 miles.
> I use it to tow a boat, I need reliable power. Iíd love to find a 390,
> and build it to the hilt, but Mr. Pollution man would get me. I wish it
> were a 73 now.
> Thanks,
> Gregg
>
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I have a complete vacuum diagram for a '79 351M if you'd like me to send
ya a copy, however they are homemade but complete! If ya want i could
make some copies of mine and snail mail them to ya. This eather makes it
easier or harder depending on if you can figure out how I made them,
although I made them so I can figure it out when my 351M finally makes
it back into my truck so you shouldn't have too many problems. They're
easier to understand than most book diagrams thats why i made them. Send
me your snail adress if ya want me to send them.

Tyler Wilkins
Milwaukee, WI

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:15:17 -0700
From: "woody"
Subject: C-6 Shift Kits

Anyone have advice/info on differences in shift kits for the C-6 auto--I've
heard of TCI, Fairbanks, TransGo, B&M and Level 10 and asked a few parts
pushers for info (but seems they all read from the same script).
Apparently line pressure is one variable, with a few offering full line
pressure for racing applications (TCI and B&M) by what is included or left
out in the assembly. Do they all offer about the same performance with the
same pressures and other variables they alter from stock, or are there
individual differences that would make one a better choice over the others
in moving a 3/4 ton pickup?

Woody
wfriesen worldnet.att.net

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:10:17 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Re: Carb Trivia

Dave R. said;
>The only other differences I can see are the provision for vacuum
>choke pull-down on the 2150

Hi Dave,
Judging from the exploded views that I have both carbs use the choke
pulldown. The difference is the 2100's is mounted in the air horn while the
2150's is divorced, (hangs off the back of the carb and connects with a
linkage).

BTW I am now happy with my 2150 for the first time since I bought the
truck. Thanks for your insight and encouragement.

later,
Dale Carmine
'79 F-150 351M
York, Nebraska

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 21:38:36 -0500
From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Subject: Torque convertors

Thanks for the info...I feel better now. I won't be firing up the truck
for awhile. I had to shift the engine and tranny back about 4" to make
room for the front crank pulley. So I need to get my drive shaft cut
down, and then theres the ignition to set up, a radiator to fit in, a
carb to rebuild, fuel lines to run, fuel pump to buy, wires, plugs,
tranny lines to adapt, ...should I say more ??

Basically I've got the motor and tranny bolted together and sitting in
place. Not even bolted down yet...and there's no plumbing or wiring
hooked up yet so I've still got quite a project ahead of me.
The main problem is that its been to nice a winter here in Minnesota and
we have no snow...so were still taking advantage of the outside type
stuff !!

Thanks again....Brian

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 19:45:37 -0800
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: Re:460 & AOD, was Digest V2 #5

At 11:07 AM 1/6/98 +0000, Gary, 78 BBB wrote:
>4 speeds would be better of course and the E4OD can do it for you if
>you don't mind setting up the computer stuff :-) (good luck)

I don't know what the wiring for the E4OD looks like but if it's anything
reminiscent of the Dodge A-518 I have a very simple relay and microswitch
setup that does the trick for me.

What kind of signalling does it need?

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:03:54 -0600....


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