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fordtrucks61-79-digest Thursday, December 25 1997 Volume 01 : Number 400



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In this issue:

Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #398 [A66f100 ]
Re: Married or Divorced [Don Grossman ]
RE Gas Tank Filler Tubes ["Hogan, Tom" ]
Re: Married or Divorced [Jim Henjum ]
Re: 460 Oil Pan.. [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: Three on the tree [Mike Schwall ]
LeMans rods #398 [Alan Mittelstaedt ]
Re: LeMans rods #398 [John MacNamara ]
Re: Three on the tree [GMPACHECO ]
Christmas wishes [Ken Payne ]

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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 07:55:56 EST
From: A66f100
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #398

Thanks for the info. I have looked in several different catalogs and found
repair panels for 67 and up, but nothing older than that. Mike B.

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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 07:31:55 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: Married or Divorced

Jim Henjum wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I've got a 75 Highboy with a 390/C-6/divorced 203. I am swapping in
> a 460 with 4-speed (probably 435, not sure- maybe a T-18, I haven't
> gotten it yet) and probably a 205 transfer case. It will be down to bare
> frame at the time, since I am also putting on a 78 body as well. Should
> I keep the divorced transfer case or go to a married? I would like to go
> with a married because it would be a stronger setup (no in-between
> shaft) and also I'd have room for dual tanks, which I'd get the side
> tank from the 78. Would the crossmember used on married cases fit on my
> frame? What will I end up with for a front driveshaft? P.S.- I'm
> getting alot of parts (the 460, and also tranny, 'case, clutch linkage,
> etc.) from a local wrecking yard. They have a lot of knowledge about old
> Fords.
>
> Thanks, Ross (Jim is my dad)

Well Ross, If you have all the parts off the 78 you shouldn't have much
of a problem. All the crossmembers should bolt right in. Driveshafts
might be a little different between the two. The front driveshft will
be shorter than your current one so grab the one from the 78. The 78
should have the reverse rotation front axle and your 75 could have
either the standard or reverse rotation. The drive shaft will be close
but should work.

Where you at I could use some 78 parts or parts leftover from your 75
;)

One question I must ask is why keep the 75 frame if you are changing the
body also? Just get the complete 78 and have 2 trucks. It sounds like
alot more work for very little gain. There must be an underlying
motive....
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-100 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!

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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 10:09:53 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE Gas Tank Filler Tubes

Do it. DO it. DO IT!!!!!! Oh Oh OOOOOHHHHHH!!!!
Seriously, I had the same problem on my '76. Out here in California
all the pumps have that 'vapor recovery condom' and the end of the
nozzle does not go far enough into the filler neck to prevent back
splash. Really intelligent of the powers that be huh? "We'll protect
the environment from all these nasty vapors (0.00000000000002473
gallons) by putting these things on the nozzle to make the user spill 3
gallons every time he fills up." (Which btw ends up on the ground and
turns to 'vapors') I was sick of getting a gas bath on my hand every
time I filled up. In December at 35 degrees F gas on the hand feels
like frostbite city!!!

Anyway I had decided to do the mod and I figured the easiest way was to
swap the bed when along comes a lady and tries to total my truck, my
house and a tree in the front yard!!! Thank YOU!!! After some quick
dealing with her insurance I was able to keep the truck from being
totaled. ( the bed was gone but all damage confined to above the frame
so it was straight) I then traded the tree for enough money to repair
the truck. After that I had to convince the body shop that 'yes a 78-79
bed WILL fit a 76 frame'. ( Look MR body shop I know what I'm doing
JUST SHUT UP AND DO IT ALREADY!!!!)

Aside from being without my baby for 12 weeks :0( I came out pretty
good and the gas ALL goes into the tank.

There are Two choices. 1 cut and weld the pieces in. or 2. swap beds.
If you can get a new bed and you need a new paint job anyway I'd go that
way. If you find a good body shop the cut and weld will work too. Just
get enough of the donor truck to aid aligning the doors (Like the entire
side of the bed). They actually did both on mine. Replaced the bed but
it had 1 tank so they cut and welded in the aux tank. Been a year and
can't see where the seam is.

IMHO if you have the money it is definitely worth it. Makes the lines
of the truck cleaner too.

Good luck and happy holidays.


Tom H
San Francisco, California
76 F-150 SuperCab 390FE
96 Windstar 200 hp 3.8L (Wife's Hot Rod)




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>Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 09:18:51 -0700
>From: Keith Srb
>Subject: Gas Tank Filler Tubes
>
>Hi all,
>
>
>1974 F250, Dual Tanks, Filler tubes that splash gas back out when
>pumping gas. Has anyone every tried to replace the filler tubes with
>filler tubes and swing out doors that are on the newer Trucks?? I
>should be able to snag all of the need parts from a Salvage Yard.
>Unless I am forgetting something, I don't think it would be to hard to
>fit this stuff into my 74, would take some time to do though.
>
>
>What do you think?
>
>
>Happy Holidays!
>
>
>
>
>Keith

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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 12:58:04 -0600
From: Jim Henjum
Subject: Re: Married or Divorced

Don,
You're right about the underlying fact- the 78 is a 2 wd with a 302 (
35,000 on complete rebuild) and I think a C-4, so the body is the only thing
worth much to me. The 460 (which I'm rebuilding right now), and also the
tranny and 'case I will be getting through a local wrecking yard. That's why
it's all going onto the highboy frame. I'm not going to mess with our '79, I
need it for the milage, also it's still partly my dads. So if anyone's
interested in the 302 and/or C-4, let me know. They might be available now (it
would need to be pulled out), but I won't be doing any swapping 'till next
summer. By the way, I live in western Minnesota.

Thanks, Ross (if anyone's wondering, I'm 15 yrs. old)

'75 Highboy Custom - 390, C-6, 203
'78 F150 Ranger - 302, C-4
'79 F150 Custom - 300, T-18, 205 -partly my dads
'86 F150 XLT Lariat - EFI 302, AOD, 1345 - my dads




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> Don Grossman wrote:

> Well Ross, If you have all the parts off the 78 you shouldn't have much
> of a problem. All the crossmembers should bolt right in. Driveshafts
> might be a little different between the two. The front driveshft will
> be shorter than your current one so grab the one from the 78. The 78
> should have the reverse rotation front axle and your 75 could have
> either the standard or reverse rotation. The drive shaft will be close
> but should work.
>
> Where you at I could use some 78 parts or parts leftover from your 75
> ;)
>
> One question I must ask is why keep the 75 frame if you are changing the
> body also? Just get the complete 78 and have 2 trucks. It sounds like
> alot more work for very little gain. There must be an underlying
> motive....
> --
> Don Grossman
> duckdon pacific.net
>
> 63 Ford F-100 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
> steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!

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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 11:21:08 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: 460 Oil Pan..

I have had 2 different oil pans in my 1970 with 460. the first was the
one that came on the automotive engine, it had a front sump but only
held 5 quarts and the drain plug was on the left ( pass) side. the
person who owned the truck before me and did the eng swap cut a hole in
the cross member for the drain.

the second is a truck pan ( at least that is what the wrecking yard said
) it has a front sump with the drain plug in the rear. It holds 6 quarts
of oil. ( the sump ts the same depth but longer then the auto sump )

Is it possible that the rear sump oil pans are from vans rather then
trucks?

Also I have herd of mid sump oil pans from broncos ( I don't know for
sure but it may be 302 or 351W pans )

Good luck

Dana

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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 12:36:38 -0600
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: Re: Three on the tree

At 04:12 PM 12/23/97 -0800, you wrote:
>My Uncle was looking at a truck as a "wheel barrow" on his farm. I didn't
>get all the detales but it's a 76 or 77 F100 4X2 with a 300 I6 and a Three
>speed manual transmission. As soon as I heard about the three speed I was a
>little turned off. Since the truck will be pulling a load, does the three
>speed have a low eneough first gear for pulling (anyone know the ratios)? I
>have never had personal experence with a three speed, are they reliable?
>Thanks

I have the three speed in my '78 F150. It's a pretty tough tranny. -
Except for reverse gear - it makes nice sounding noises ever since I
floored it when trying to get out of the way of an on coming car. I have a
3.00:1 rear, and I have towed heavy loads with it - like 15' trailer full
of cut wood - mostly Oak. A 3.50:1 rear would work well with the tranny.

Mike

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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 16:23:37 -0800
From: Alan Mittelstaedt
Subject: LeMans rods #398

John--

Do you know how far oversize the rods have been taken on the big end?
Are they bushed on the small end? Are they verified as being straight?
Does this dude have a decent reputation? $400 for a set of LeMans rods
makes me take notice, but I have been burned on used parts thru the mail
before. I am currently collecting pieces for a 427 Low Riser. I am
interested only if they are good pieces, as they will see ABUSE in my
application.

Let me know what you can, and thanks for the notice!


> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 06:24:23 -0800
> From: John MacNamara
> Subject: Re: Lemans Rods
>
> am14 chrysler.com wrote:
>
> > John: By any other means of robery this would be termed a criminal
> > act!! You stole those things brother!!!Santa came a few days early,
> > huh!!
>
> Yea, got to take them back as it turns out he had a medium riser side oiler
> motor for sale that I made an offer on and he accepted yesterday. It
> already has the lemans rods.
>
> If anybody needs or wants these rods for that price, speak up as I pick up
> the motor Saturday.
>
> Thanks
> John

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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 15:05:20 -0800
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: LeMans rods #398

Alan Mittelstaedt wrote:
>
> John--
>
> Do you know how far oversize the rods have been taken on the big end?
> Are they bushed on the small end? Are they verified as being straight?
> Does this dude have a decent reputation? $400 for a set of LeMans rods
> makes me take notice, but I have been burned on used parts thru the mail
> before. I am currently collecting pieces for a 427 Low Riser. I am
> interested only if they are good pieces, as they will see ABUSE in my
> application.
>
> Let me know what you can, and thanks for the notice!

Alan: They are in mint condition. They have been resized lengthwise
and in the small and large journal, magnafluxed and shotpeened with new
Arp bolts. They are better than new.

They were done by friend of his shop who has been in business for over
30 years in the Pomona area so he swears by the guys work. He just
built a cammer for him so I think he knows what he is doing.

They are not bushed on the small journal.

I pick up the motor Saturday so I would need some money before then.

Thanks
John MacNamara
>
> > Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 06:24:23 -0800
> > From: John MacNamara
> > Subject: Re: Lemans Rods
> >
> > am14 chrysler.com wrote:
> >
> > > John: By any other means of robery this would be termed a criminal
> > > act!! You stole those things brother!!!Santa came a few days early,
> > > huh!!
> >
> > Yea, got to take them back as it turns out he had a medium riser side oiler
> > motor for sale that I made an offer on and he accepted yesterday. It
> > already has the lemans rods.
> >
> > If anybody needs or wants these rods for that price, speak up as I pick up
> > the motor Saturday.
> >
> > Thanks
> > John
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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 21:46:06 EST
From: GMPACHECO
Subject: Re: Three on the tree

Speaking of 3 on a tree, I would like to put a 4 speed in my 72 f-100 any
suggestions of where to get one, or what type would work? Also any idea of the
costs associated with buying new versus old (junkyard).

Mike in Seattle

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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 00:19:03 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Christmas wishes....


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