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fordtrucks61-79-digest Wednesday, December 24 1997 Volume 01 : Number 399

Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks Digest
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In this issue:

Re: Season's Greetings [Ken Payne ]
460 Oil Pan.. [Brian & Jacque Milbrandt ]
Re: 460 Oil Pan.. [A64F100 ]
Married or Divorced [Jim Henjum ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #398 [Chuck Brandt ]
Re: Bench Seat ["Dale and Donna Carmine" ]
Re: 460 Oil Pan.. []
Re: 460? stroker [Kurt Albershardt ]
ADMIN: Explorer/Bronco 2/Ranger list [Ken Payne ]
ADMIN: Vote on another list [Ken Payne ]
Re:"74" Fuel tank doors [leadmic (Mark L Williams)]



Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 21:57:34 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Season's Greetings

At 07:55 PM 12/23/97 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-12-22 13:57:00 EST, you write:
> forum to support our hobby. Merry Christmas and God bless you and your
> family.
> To every one else who reads or contributes to the list, Thank you.
> Thanks for sharing your wisdom and experiences, thanks for treating
> everyone with respect and not ridiculing anyone, thanks for creating an
> environment that fosters questions and comraderie. The tone of this
> list is so open and accepting I'm proud to be a member of it. Merry
> Christmas to all of you and may the coming year be full of blessings for
> everyone. And may the creator of all that is FORD smile upon your
> project. >>
>Couldn't have said it better myself. Happy holidays everyone!

Thanks, we really do appreciate it. And we wish to thank everyone
who is a part of these lists. Its usually quite a joy and I've learned
quite a bit.

I'll be scare the next few days but Peggy should be able to handle
most inquiries.



Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 20:58:01 -0500
From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Subject: 460 Oil Pan..

Hey List..

Just pulled my cross member out of my '64 and found that it will not
clear my oil there a different oil pan I should be using for
this conversion instead of the rear sump type ? Does anyone have a
contact for engine swap a 460 into the '64. Truck had a
400 in it. the tranny will adapt to my motor. but I need to know if I
should look for a different oil pan, or get a different cross member
from an after market supplier...



Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 22:19:57 EST
From: A64F100
Subject: Re: 460 Oil Pan..

I'm pretty sure you can get a front sump oil pan for a 460 from P.A.W.
in Chatsworth, CA. But, it costs around $180.00 The front sump pan might help
your crossmember clearance problems... good luck

Keep it Ford blue,
Scott Loechel


Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 21:28:29 -0600
From: Jim Henjum
Subject: Married or Divorced

I've got a 75 Highboy with a 390/C-6/divorced 203. I am swapping in
a 460 with 4-speed (probably 435, not sure- maybe a T-18, I haven't
gotten it yet) and probably a 205 transfer case. It will be down to bare
frame at the time, since I am also putting on a 78 body as well. Should
I keep the divorced transfer case or go to a married? I would like to go
with a married because it would be a stronger setup (no in-between
shaft) and also I'd have room for dual tanks, which I'd get the side
tank from the 78. Would the crossmember used on married cases fit on my
frame? What will I end up with for a front driveshaft? P.S.- I'm
getting alot of parts (the 460, and also tranny, 'case, clutch linkage,
etc.) from a local wrecking yard. They have a lot of knowledge about old

Thanks, Ross (Jim is my dad)


Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 21:32:16 -0600
From: Chuck Brandt
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #398

>Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 06:13:53 EST
>From: A66f100
>Subject: Cab floor repair panels
>Hello everyone. Pulled up the floor mat in my truck the other day and found
>several rusted out split areas in the cab floor. Does anyone know if there is
>a manufacturer of repair panels for a 66 f100? If not any suggestions on how
>to repair the damage and prevent it from happening in the future? Thanks.
>Mike B.

Hey Mike,
I've gotten several catalogs for my '66 and the only place I've seen with
floor panels is Carolina Classics (919)682-4211. I think they are $60 each
side or $110 for both sides. Seems kinda pricey but they look good in the

Chuck Brandt


Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 22:15:18 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Re: Bench Seat

Has anyone out there rebuilt their own seat? Mine has the standard issue
dip where the driver sits. The rest of the seat is in good condition. Is
it worth the hassle to DIY or just pull the thing and find an upholsterer.

dale c


Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 20:18:41 -0800
Subject: Re: 460 Oil Pan..

Got a 460 from a '78 Lincoln in my 73 F-100. It has a front sump oil pan. A real
pain in the wazoo in my case (drain plug in the wrong place) but it may work for
you. Just thought I'd mention it as a lower cost alternative to aftermarket.
Just make sure you get the pump pickup with it. I dont know what all year
Lincolns had that front sump but the ones of that series should be the same.

Rick Brewster
73 F-100, 460 by Lincoln
"Diamonds are forever and those old Fords, they just keep movin on"

Brian & Jacque Milbrandt wrote:

> Hey List..
> Just pulled my cross member out of my '64 and found that it will not
> clear my oil there a different oil pan I should be using for
> this conversion instead of the rear sump type ? Does anyone have a
> contact for engine swap a 460 into the '64. Truck had a
> 400 in it. the tranny will adapt to my motor. but I need to know if I
> should look for a different oil pan, or get a different cross member
> from an after market supplier...
> Thanks.....Brian
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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 20:39:56 -0800
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: Re: 460? stroker

Did you consider a manual timing retard? Don't know if Ford made
dual-output distributors like Mopar but MSD and Jacobs make boxes that let
you retard the timing from the cab. Useful on propane conversions as
propane has a research octane of ~110 but a motor octane of ~90 so on a hot
day going up a hill you have to crank it back a bit. Also useful for the
dreck that passes for gasoline these days.

At 07:21 PM 12/23/97 EST, you wrote:
>Sled dog it maybe the big block rods,dont know but some one out their
knows ??
>like the x files heheh also the only reason i took 10cc out of the 429 heads
>was here in
>it gets hot and muggy in the summer and was haveing a overheating problem
>the motor,btw ya could tell the difference in the power of the motor
>on a cool


Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 00:06:49 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Explorer/Bronco 2/Ranger list

I've got the two list of addresses put together but unfortunately
I lost all the emails sent to me about the small truck list.
I meant to reply to several of the emails but I can't, sorry.

Please email me directly (kpayne with the
following as the subject: small truck list
only if you wish to be removed from a list after you're on the
small truck list or if I did not put you down in the subscriber
list(s) correctly. I no longer have the removal list so this
is needed from you.

Following is the list of everyone for the small truck lists...
This new list had better response than any new list in the past
so I guess it was long over due. Formal announcement goes out
to the Newsgroups on Monday when the list is activated. Full
directions will go out as the first post to the list and a
digest will immediately go out after that post.

Ken Payne

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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 00:32:38 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Vote on another list

Several people have asked about having a list which focuses
on 1997+ F150/1998+ F250-350 trucks. Our survey shows we
have over 100 members with one of these trucks. This is
more than enough support for this list. Voting link is on
the web site,, near the bottom of
the page. Your opinion counts but if you need to vent an
opinion decide whether it needs to be on the lists for
everyone to see or sent to me personally

All comments sent to me are welcome whether they are positive
or negative. I will respond personally to each comment,
unless you ask me not to.

One last item... I'm going to format the on line survey into
human readable results and put them on the web site monthly.


PS - Sorry for all the admin posts lately.


Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 22:06:36 -0800
From: leadmic (Mark L Williams)
Subject: Re:"74" Fuel tank doors

Keith, been their done that. I had the same problem with my "74". I found
a wrecked bed off a "79" {"78" would work also} I took a nibbler and cut
out both doors and had a body shop spot-weld and putty them in. I also
removed the plastic cups and mettle fill tubes from the donor truck.
Everything worked great even the stock hoses from the tank were the right
length. The only thing to worry about would be getting the doors in the
right place. So if you can cut to a bend or fender lip in in two places
on both doors of the donor to use as a reference for placement one your
truck. Also "80" and up won't work the tube is diffrent. It cost about
$300. to do but every time I go to fill up and can set the fuel nozzle on
auto. and check the oil while it fills I think that's the best three
hundreds bucks I ever spent.
' Hope this helps. Mark
>Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 09:18:51 -0700
>From: Keith Srb
>Subject: Gas Tank Filler Tubes
>Hi all,
>1974 F250, Dual Tanks, Filler tubes that splash gas back out when
>pumping gas. Has anyone every tried to replace the filler tubes with
>filler tubes and swing out doors that are on the newer Trucks?? I
>should be able to snag all of the need parts from a Salvage Yard.
>Unless I am forgetting something, I don't think it would be to hard to
>fit this stuff into my 74, would take some time to do though.
>What do you think?
>Happy Holidays!
>Keith Srbherbie

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