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fordtrucks61-79-digest Sunday, December 21 1997 Volume 01 : Number 394



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In this issue:

Re: Limited Slip Questions [GMPACHECO ]
Re: big thank you and odds-ends ["Dale and Donna Carmine"
Re: Limited Slip Questions ["Dale and Donna Carmine"
Re: Limited Slip Questions ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
TTB front axles [Kurt Albershardt ]
Re: Limited Slip Questions ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: TTB front axles ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
gauges [shane ]
Re: gauges [Floyd Terrell ]
RE: Limited Slip Questions [Sleddog ]
RE: Limited Slip Questions [Sleddog ]
Re: Limited Slip Questions [Kurt Albershardt ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #393 [Mark Williams ]
Re: TTB front axles [Don Grossman ]
Bout that carb! [Don Grossman ]
Re: TTB front axles [Kurt Albershardt ]
Re: TTB front axles ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: TTB front axles ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: Bout that carb! [Firrer ]
Re: Limited Slip Questions [mikepacheco juno.com (MIKE PACHECO)]

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 10:46:35 EST
From: GMPACHECO
Subject: Re: Limited Slip Questions

HOW CAN I TELL IF MY REAR DIFFERENTIAL IF POSI OR NOT ? THE ID # SAYS
17 AND I CAN'T FIND IT IN THE SHOP MANUAL ANYWHERE

THANKS
MIKE IN SEATTLE

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 10:16:49 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Re: big thank you and odds-ends

Wow, what a post.........do you think Marko is maybe just a little excited.
Just kidding Marko......we're happy for you, (and a little jealous). Good
luck with your new project!

later,
dale

BTW I vote for leaving it a 410.....makes it more unique.

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 10:35:59 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Re: Limited Slip Questions

One of the reasons I bought my '79 was that the previous owner had put a
locker rear-end in it. Here in the middle-of-nowhere a locker is a poor
man's 4WD.

Rick said;
>Some people feel that
>lockers dont handle well in the snow but I dont give much creedence to
that.

I agree with what Sleddog said, I've owned both 'posi' and locker vehicles.
My f-150 with the locker is very "tricky" on a muddy road with no weight in
the back, if you are not paying attention you can end up in the ditch very
quickly. I drive on gravel and secondary roads everyday, when the roads are
wet the backend of the truck always wants to go downhill due to the crown of
the road. The solution is to just slow down. Sections that I can go
through at 45mph with an open differential I slow down to 35 with the
locker.

The advantage of the locker is that with a little weight in the back I can
go through anything as long as the axles don't drag! All in all it's a good
compromise for me and I like the locker. In normal street driving there is
no noticeable difference, I don't get the clunking noise from mine.

later,
Dale Carmine
'79 F-150 351M
York, Nebraska

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:39:37 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Limited Slip Questions

> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:17:56 -0800
> From: Tyler Abbott
> Subject: Limited Slip Questions

> but less noticeable in daily driving. How do they operate? Do they
> truly lock? Is posi traction refering to a Locker or LS? What was
> factory available from FORD, a true locker or Limited slip? Thanks

Tyler, I read all the posts on this so far and Rick Brewster hit it
on the nose IMHO. Someone mentioned Torsen and included them with
lockers but they (and TrueTrac's) are considered limited slip even
though you can order them with "locked in" ratios from 2:1 to 5:1
which limits how much slippage you can have max so it sort of does
lock at the limit of the spin ratio. Both these lockers are gear
systems with no clutches and force the wheels to stay within a fixed
ratio of each other. IMHO this is the best (albeit, most expensive)
locker for 95% of all off road vehicles since it will eventually
force the loaded wheel to turn unlike the clutch types and also
unlike the clutch types and solid lockers it does not influence the
torque in turns so works best on ice and slick, hard packed snow and
slush where you would normally want open diffs.

True lockers like the Detroit allow the outside wheel to free wheel
in a turn so you really only have traction on inside wheel which is
why they are not so good for ice or other very slippery situations
and why open diffs shine on ice compared to almost any other type of
system except the Torsen and True Trac. Yes you can run lockers on
ice but you have to allow for the fact that you will be driving with
one wheel in turns and with clutch type limited slip you may
experience problems due to the preload attempting to run the outside
wheel at the same speed as the inside. On ice the preload is
sufficient to break traction with no load, just thought I'd mention
that but in fact I haven't noticed too much trouble due to it when I
used them on ice. It depends on how much preload it has.

ARB's are the best all around solution IMHO "IF" you expect to ever
need full locking since you can have your cake and eat it too. You
can turn them on and off at will and when off you have full open
differentiation for ice and such.

I'm dealing with 4wd and plan to use the arb's one day when my family
allows me the luxury. The torsen's would be my first choice but are
completely out of the question since they run $1300 last time I
checked. Most of the others run around $300 - $600 :-)

In my own personal experience an OEM limited slip make a lot of
difference and will take you a long way past open diffs but if you
use the sissy chatter eliminator additive ford has you will have to
apply your brakes to make them grab. I generally don't like to use
that stuff myself but TEHO :-)


Michigan Pot Hole Jumpin Bronco lover, -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 09:58:40 -0800
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: TTB front axles

Does anyone know what years Ford used the TTB IFS setup on F-250's ?

Maybe more succinctly, were there any years when an F-250 or F-250HD was
made without it? I know the F-350s have D60 front axles and would like to
swap one of these into an early SuperCab but don't want to start with an
IFS truck if I can help it.

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 13:29:30 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Limited Slip Questions

> From: GMPACHECO
> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 10:46:35 EST
> Subject: Re: Limited Slip Questions

> HOW CAN I TELL IF MY REAR DIFFERENTIAL IF POSI OR NOT ? THE ID #
> SAYS 17 AND I CAN'T FIND IT IN THE SHOP MANUAL ANYWHERE

If the diff still has a tag on it it will have an "L" in the number if
it's a posi.

If the clutches are worn out it will be difficult to tell but there
should still be more drag when trying to rotate just one wheel than
with an open diff.. Jack up just one side and try to trun the wheel
with tranny and xfer case in neutral and see how much drag is on it.
If it's difficult to turn and the brake shoes aren't rubbing it MAY
be a posi or you may just have a trashed diff, dragging brake or bad
bearing but you should be able to tell. The clutches will typically
chatter when you force it to turn only one wheel. If the clutches
are new you probably can't turn only one wheel by hand so that would
be a tip off too.


Michigan Pot Hole Jumpin Bronco lover, -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 13:32:35 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: TTB front axles

> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 09:58:40 -0800
> From: Kurt Albershardt
> Subject: TTB front axles

> Does anyone know what years Ford used the TTB IFS setup on F-250's ?
>
> Maybe more succinctly, were there any years when an F-250 or F-250HD
> was made without it? I know the F-350s have D60 front axles and

Anything before 80 would be without it as it didn't even get into the
150's till then but I think the 250 got it after the 150 by several
years so not sure when it started :-) Anything made before aug/sept
of 79 should have the live dana 44 HD.

Michigan Pot Hole Jumpin Bronco lover, -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 14:09:08 -0600
From: shane
Subject: gauges

Does anyone know where I can get an orginal '66 ford truck gauge set for
the deluxe model. It must have large speedometer and the 4 2 1/4
smaller gauges. If so, email me at shane internetwork.net Thanks, SHANE

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 14:20:11 -0800
From: Floyd Terrell
Subject: Re: gauges

shane wrote:

> Does anyone know where I can get an orginal '66 ford truck gauge set for
> the deluxe model. It must have large speedometer and the 4 2 1/4
> smaller gauges. If so, email me at shane internetwork.net Thanks, SHANE

If you are looking for the oblong speedometer, I know a junkyard here that
has the full gauge set. I have a '65 with the round speedometer. He want
$135.00 for the set with no gurantee of any kind.

Let me know and I will get you his phone number.

Floyd Floydt earthlink.net

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:12:07 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Limited Slip Questions

i too, never had the clicking noise. i just thought it was cause the engine was too loud!

and slowing down is it. the locker tends to slide more often, but is much more predictable than an open or posi unit.

sleddog

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From: Dale and Donna Carmine[SMTP:dcarmine inetnebr.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 1997 11:35 AM
To: Ford Trucks
Subject: Re: Limited Slip Questions

One of the reasons I bought my '79 was that the previous owner had put a
locker rear-end in it. Here in the middle-of-nowhere a locker is a poor
man's 4WD.

Rick said;
>Some people feel that
>lockers dont handle well in the snow but I dont give much creedence to
that.

I agree with what Sleddog said, I've owned both 'posi' and locker vehicles.
My f-150 with the locker is very "tricky" on a muddy road with no weight in
the back, if you are not paying attention you can end up in the ditch very
quickly. I drive on gravel and secondary roads everyday, when the roads are
wet the backend of the truck always wants to go downhill due to the crown of
the road. The solution is to just slow down. Sections that I can go
through at 45mph with an open differential I slow down to 35 with the
locker.

The advantage of the locker is that with a little weight in the back I can
go through anything as long as the axles don't drag! All in all it's a good
compromise for me and I like the locker. In normal street driving there is
no noticeable difference, I don't get the clunking noise from mine.

later,
Dale Carmine
'79 F-150 351M
York, Nebraska






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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:15:08 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Limited Slip Questions

Tyler, I read all the posts on this so far and Rick Brewster hit it
on the nose IMHO. Someone mentioned Torsen and included them with
lockers but they (and TrueTrac's) are considered limited slip even
though you can order them with "locked in" ratios from 2:1 to 5:1
which limits how much slippage you can have max so it sort of does
lock at the limit of the spin ratio.

i mentioned the torson. i had one (HAD!) in my dana 44 front for a few
years. it was not a locker, but worked better than anything i ever had on
the front before or since. i didn't really beleive the guy i bought the
truck from when he said it had one, but it worked so good. then i
completely destroyed the thing. such a pity, it was a wonderful diff.

sleddog

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 14:49:46 -0800
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: Re: Limited Slip Questions

At 11:39 AM 12/20/97 +0000, you wrote:
>I'm dealing with 4wd and plan to use the arb's one day when my family
>allows me the luxury. The torsen's would be my first choice but are
>completely out of the question since they run $1300 last time I
>checked. Most of the others run around $300 - $600 :-)

Under what name are they marketed?

I know they're expensive, but I'm still curious...

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 14:51:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Mark Williams
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #393

Hi all, this is my first reply so be gentle. To all who it my concern
regarding FE engs. 428 rule! I have one in my "74"4x4 effi.
It's the best of three I've had in it.[360, 406, 428]
SO to everyone talking about and trying to, remember "IF YOU BUILD IT
IT WILL RUN". Also regarding FE windage trays I got one, they work,
and are good for about 12hp. at high R.P.M. Installation does involve
droping the oil pan and running two pan gaskets {it sandwiches between
them } but you also gain an extra quart of oil capacity. It will fit
any FE eng. but if your going to install it in pickup you'll have to
cut a small window in it for the oil pump pick-up tube brace to go
through. Also last time I checked they were still available through
Ford Motorsport.
About carb's Ford has a good one. Its found on "79"-"86" F-series
with HO351 or 460. It's also found on "84-85" GT mustangs. It it is a
Holley, but has the small float bowels so it works great in a 4x4.
Also the primary side has annular discharge boosters which helps to
atomize the fuel! ? Well anyway it helps fuel mileage
and bottom end torque. It's only 600 c.f.m.'s but works well on my
428.
that's all for now Mark

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:29:32 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: TTB front axles

Kurt Albershardt wrote:
>
> Does anyone know what years Ford used the TTB IFS setup on F-250's ?
>
> Maybe more succinctly, were there any years when an F-250 or F-250HD was
> made without it? I know the F-350s have D60 front axles and would like to
> swap one of these into an early SuperCab but don't want to start with an
> IFS truck if I can help it.

Ford used the TTB on F-250's from 80-96 and on the F-250HD's thru 97.
If there is an F-250 with a Dana 60 front I don't know about it. If you
get a superCab F350 you won't have to worry about swapping in a Dana 60.
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-100 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:41:07 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Bout that carb!

Mark Williams wrote:
>
> Hi all, this is my first reply so be gentle. To all who it my concern
> regarding FE engs. 428 rule! I have one in my "74"4x4 effi.

Cool.

> About carb's Ford has a good one. Its found on "79"-"86" F-series
> with HO351 or 460. It's also found on "84-85" GT mustangs. It it is a
> Holley, but has the small float bowels so it works great in a 4x4.
> Also the primary side has annular discharge boosters which helps to
> atomize the fuel! ? Well anyway it helps fuel mileage
> and bottom end torque. It's only 600 c.f.m.'s but works well on my
> 428.
> that's all for now Mark

Hey Mark do you think you could fill us in with some more carb details.
As a person running an FE and was just in the market for a new carb ;)
in the 600c.f.m. range even, I could use a little more information,
like P#'s.

Thanks
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-100 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:08:58 -0800
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: Re: TTB front axles

At 03:29 PM 12/20/97 -0800, Don Grossman wrote:
>Ford used the TTB on F-250's from 80-96 and on the F-250HD's thru 97.
>If there is an F-250 with a Dana 60 front I don't know about it. If you
>get a superCab F350 you won't have to worry about swapping in a Dana 60.

What year did they start producing SuperCab F350's ??

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:26:41 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: TTB front axles

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> From: Don Grossman
> Ford used the TTB on F-250's from 80-96 and on the F-250HD's thru 97.
> If there is an F-250 with a Dana 60 front I don't know about it. If you
> get a superCab F350 you won't have to worry about swapping in a Dana 60.

Front Dana 60s were an option for F250 HDs in 74-75 and came standard on
crew cabs in 76-77. There was also a package called "snow fighter" that
included a Dana 60 front axle.

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:35:16 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: TTB front axles

- ----------
> From: Kurt Albershardt

> What year did they start producing SuperCab F350's ??

4X4 F350s weren't produced until 1978. I'm not sure about 4X4 SuperCabs.

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:41:32 EST
From: Firrer
Subject: Re: Bout that carb!

Need a little help out their i can come up with a 351 black night motor and
was woundering if it was possible to put a dura spark dist. in it and and a....


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