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fordtrucks61-79-digest Friday, December 19 1997 Volume 01 : Number 392



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In this issue:

Re: Aussie D-series f-series picts [mikepacheco juno.com (MIKE PACHECO)]
360 to 428 [BDIJXS ]
Re: Motorcraft 2150 vs 2100 ["Dave Resch"]
NOISES AND RATTLES [Stuart Varner ]
Re: 360 to 428 [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
re re thanks group [jniolon uss.com]
Re: 360 to 428 [SuperMagot ]
Re: Noises [Gary ]
FW: Turn signals ["Hogan, Tom" ]
[none] ["Hogan, Tom" ]
ADMIN: Who wants to be on the Ranger/Bronco II/Explorer list? [Ken Payne ]
RE: Noises [DC Beatty ]
another noise question [DC Beatty ]
Re: Noises [SAR HOG ]
Re; Thanks Group / Noise ["Dale and Donna Carmine"
Re: Motorcraft Carbs ["Dale and Donna Carmine" ]
Re: Re; Thanks Group / Noise [Steve & Rockette ]
Re: thanks group [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: re re thanks group [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: another noise question [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: Re; Thanks Group / Noise [danadeb pacbell.net]
URGENT!!!PLEASE HELP!! [marko ]
URGENT!!!PLEASE HELP!!#2 [marko ]
Re: URGENT!!!PLEASE HELP!!#2 ["Deacon" ]

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 06:09:46 -0800
From: mikepacheco juno.com (MIKE PACHECO)
Subject: Re: Aussie D-series f-series picts

I ALSO WOULD LIKE A PICTURE OF THE D SERIES TRUCK HOW DO I GET ONE??

THANKS
MIKE

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:19:30 EST
From: BDIJXS
Subject: 360 to 428

Hi,

I have a spare 360 FE engine out of a 1968 F-100 that I would like to convert
to a 428. I'll be putting in my '69 F-100 4x4, and really want some low end
power. I have some parts already (Edelbrock performer manifold and carb,
Mallory distributor, etc.) Anybody know (or knows somebody who knows) what I'm
getting into?

Thanks,

Jeff Schulz
Boulder, Colorado
bdijxs aol.com

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:53:18 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: Motorcraft 2150 vs 2100

>From: John MacNamara
>Subject: Re: Motorcraft Carbs
>
>Dale and Donna Carmine wrote:
>
>> Hi list,
>>
>> Who can tell me what the difference is between a motorcraft 2150 and
>the
>> 2100???
>
>Dale: Don't know the answer to this exactly but suspect the 2150 has a
>removable float bowl which can leak and the 2100 does not.
>
>> What is the basis for Pony Carburetor to claim that the "2100 is the
finest
>> 2-bbl ever made"?
Yo Dale:

OK, I'll take a stab!

The 2150 is merely an updated/revised 2100. Ford introduced the model 2150
sometime in the '70s to replace the model 2100 2V application. The stock
carb on my 1980 351M is a Motorcraft 2150. The 2100 was originally an
Autolite-made carb (back when Ford owned Autolite), but it may have been
designed by Carter or Rochester.

In all the pictures and exploded views I've seen, the 2150 looks
essentially identical to the 2100. The differences must be subtle. It
could be that the differences are all related to adaptation to emissions
controls (EGR, Evap purge, etc.)

BTW: The 2150 does not have a removable float bowl.

As for why Pony Carburetor claims that the 2100 is the finest 2 bbl ever
made, that's easy... it's a Ford product! (Or better yet, it's not a
Holley!) Besides, it was the only 2V carb installed on Mustang engines
until some time in the '70s (remember the Mustang II?) when it was replaced
by the 2150.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 00:22:15 -0800
From: Stuart Varner
Subject: NOISES AND RATTLES

I would suggest a nice set of flowmasters to eliminate any and all
noises and rattles.........subwoofers and great stereos also help,
thanks for the verses Deacon, But to me the song of an FE screaming
brings such joy
to my heart and ears. Oh the sounds of a big block!
Nuke GM! and happy holidays, i am out of here for 2 weeks.

Robert Mitchem, if you are out there......
I am still looking for a 4100 autolite carb!! Thanks

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:47:46 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: 360 to 428

>Hi,
>
>I have a spare 360 FE engine out of a 1968 F-100 that I would like to convert
>to a 428. I'll be putting in my '69 F-100 4x4, and really want some low end
>power. I have some parts already (Edelbrock performer manifold and carb,
>Mallory distributor, etc.) Anybody know (or knows somebody who knows) what I'm
>getting into?
>
>Thanks,


Yeah, lots.

Buy a book called how to rebuild your big block ford, by steve christ. It's
available at Internet Racers Supply.

The biggest problem with the 428 is 1. finding a decent crank and 2.
finding a decent block. You will need different pistons as the 360 piston
skirts, being circular, will hit the crank. You may not be able to bore the
block out to 4.13"; the 352-360-390-410 uses the stock 352 block originally
with 4.000" bores. They bored the 352 0.050 over and called it a 360. They
stroked it .2" or so and called it a 390. They put a 428 crank in the 390
and called it a 410. But the 360,390 and 410 all kept the same bore, 4.05"
Christ's book, in talking about the 406 (a 390 crank with a 4.13" bore) says
this was the first time the larger bore required a different casting.
Likewise for the 428, which uses the same crank as the 410 but a different
block. I don't know if you can get away with boring your 360 0.080" over.
Unless anybody else has, and knows better. I'm considering doing what
you're doing myself, and if I CAN change my own 360 to a 428, you wanna
believe I'm gonna do that. Otherwise I think I know where there's a 410
mercury hiding...


marko in vancouver
marko helix.net
71 f250 4x4
67 merc m100

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: jniolon uss.com
Subject: re re thanks group

dana,

the ford content was the word "Ford" in the description of the other
group..

maybe I should have said: "I was sitting in my 53 f-100 meditating as
I've just finished wading through several digests (on another list) of
"Ford" comments, opinions, diatribes, episitles, flames, burnouts,
epithets and a generous helping of b.s. All over the definition
of....."


at least the flames seem to come with a sense of humor here.

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:05:01 EST
From: SuperMagot
Subject: Re: 360 to 428

In a message dated 97-12-18 12:39:48 EST, you write:



I have a spare 360 FE engine out of a 1968 F-100 that I would like to convert
to a 428. I'll be putting in my '69 F-100 4x4, and really want some low end
power. I have some parts already (Edelbrock performer manifold and carb,
Mallory distributor, etc.) Anybody know (or knows somebody who knows) what
I'm
getting into? >>

I beleive the balancing is different, one is internally, one is externally
balanced (crankshaft) I am not sure, but when you order the 428 crank make
sure its properly balanced. If you want low end power, make sure to get an RV
type cam. over camming an engine is a good way to not be happy with it.
(especially in a 4 X 4).
Block should be otherwise identical. If you can afford it, have the heads
cleaned up and polished (especially the exhaust ports). You can also have the
manifold port matched to the heads.

If really want torque, dump the FE and go with a 460.
I have run both, and like the 460 much better.

- - Mike

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:12:35 -0500
From: Gary
Subject: Re: Noises

> >
> > I have two noises, I also, can't figure out.
> my 68 had the thud noise You mention..I changed the driveshaft carrier
> bearing(had to have it pressed off and on)and the thud went away..

My 78 Bronco has the same noise, but it has no carrier bearing, I've
changed the rear pig out, checked the u-joints, I can see no wear marks
that would indicate the rear axle is twisting. Any other places to look?

351M, C6, Full Time 4WD with lockouts

Dingbat

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:39:18 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FW: Turn signals

> >Au contrair Mon Ami. Ford DOES still carry the turn signal switches.
> >About $80.00 each for a 76 and I believe that if they have a 76 they
> >should have a 78. Strange coincidence that I'm planning on changing
> >mine now isn't it? I've done it once. Not difficult but it is a
> pain.
> >You have to take the connector off the bottom end of the switch
> harness
> >-- the end that connects to the rest of the wiring harness. Requires
> a
> >"special" tool from Ford shown in their factory service manual. It
> is
> >a piece of small diameter with about 3 u-turns bent in it.... wait I
> >think I see it..... It's a PAPER CLIP!!!! ;0). Honest, thats what
> the
> >manual says to use. Then you have to figure out how to pull the
> wires
> >through the steering column. When I did mine the switch was
> lunched...
> >the auto return tabs were broken. I just cut the wires at the
> steering
> >wheel end of the switch and used them to pull the new wires through
> the
> >column. If your old switch may still be good you may want to try
> >something else.
> >
> >I'll be pulling mine soon to put cruise on my truck. I'd offer to
> sell
> >you my switch but I'm sure it won't fit. Check with your local Ford
> >dealer. If they say they can't get one let me know and I'll check
> out
> >here.
> >
> >Good luck and let us know how it goes.
> >
> >Tom H.
> >_______________________________________________________
> >Finally got it off and the switch looks like it should work?? Dang!
>
> >Before I took it apart I checked the front and rear bulbs with
> >hazzards and they all work, brake lights and horn work too so the
> >wiring to the switch is good with one possible exception, the flasher
>
> >circuit. Your post got me thinking about that so I'll check it out
> >tonight but I'm going to get a switch anyway if I can find one. Auto
>
> >Zone can't even order one for me, Uhh Ohhhh :-( Hope somebody else
> >can still get them :-) Haven't called ford yet but I doubt if they
> >still handle it :-(
> >
> >Anyway that's where I'm at on it so far, wife is getting a little
> >worried about not having a car :-( Maybe I'll have to get another
> >78/79 for a spare just in case I have to work on one :-) My wife
> >said "IN YOUR DREAMS!!!"
> >
> >What did she mean? :-)
> >
> >Michigan Pot Hole Jumpin Bronco lover, -- Gary --
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
>

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:44:28 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: [none]

That's got to be one of the hardest things to fix because you can never
be THERE when the dang thing is squeaking, rattlin', etc. Just don't
try what one of the Darwin award candidates did-- looking for a squeak
he somehow hung on the front bumper while his buddy drove the car.
Found him wrapped around the driveshaft. Ouch!!!

Maybe someone can come up with some sort of vibration table to exercise
the truck's suspension. Nah too expensive.

Tom H.


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A guy once asked me to eliminate an anoying squeak and I tried but
how do you isolate and locate the squeak from inside the vehicle when
it only happens under certain conditions? Once under the vehicle to
look around you can't reproduce that squeak to save your life :-( I
put rubber every where metal came together and it still squeaked :-(

Michigan Pot Hole Jumpin Bronco lover, -- Gary --

- ------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 21:00:24 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Who wants to be on the Ranger/Bronco II/Explorer list?

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send me an email with the following as the subject:

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Please send exactly that as the subject as I'm having them
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- if you want to be removed, which list is it that you're
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The new list will be active on Monday, everyone who joins it
will receive complete instructions, our FAQ and our charter
as the the first posts.

Now returning you to our regular programs.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 21:52:27 -0500
From: DC Beatty
Subject: RE: Noises

Dana. I recognize noise #1. My '67 does the same thing. I had a mechanic
buddy of mine drive it and he said I shouldn't worry too much, and that h=
is
full size Bronco does the same thing. He was calling it "axle wind-up." =


Yeah, I know, it drives me nuts too.

DC Beatty
1967 F100 352
1974 Maverick 302 =


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From: INTERNET:fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 1997 7:41 PM
To: Ford Folks
Subject: Noises

Dana wrote:



1) Drive along and come to a stop. sit at the stop light, then gust as I
start to accelerate ( fairly easily on the throttle ) there is a "thud"
It can be heard but mostly felt. The u-joints are new the rear and is
newly rebuilt the engine mounts are real good. The only two things I can
think of is the trans mount and the drive shaft center bearing. The
trans mount looks cracked but when I lift up on the tail piece it
doesn't seem to move. The rubber that the center bearing is mounted in
can move in the metal clamp that holds it in place and I figured that
the drive shaft might be winding up when I come to a stop and when I
release the break it unwinds and the bearing support moves and makes the
"thud".

What do you all think?

2) Drive along and come to a stop. sit at the stop light, then gust as I
start to accelerate ( medium to hard ) I hear a metallic ripping sound.
( like a bolt threads being pulled through sheet metal ) Sometimes I
hear the same sound when I just push back on the seat but not as loud or
as pronounced.

What about this one?

Thanks>>>

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 21:52:29 -0500
From: DC Beatty
Subject: another noise question

Along the lines of Dana's question about thumping noises on takeoff, mine=

kinda thumps when I come to a stop as well. I can also feel it sometimes =
in
the steering wheel--like the front end shifting around a tiny bit. =


My cab mounts are in great shape, but I noticed by radius arm bushings ar=
e
slightly whacked. Could this be the culprit? Am I right in thinking that
radius arms are for forward/backward stabilization of the front end? =


Thanks for any and all help,

DC Beatty
1967 F100 352
1974 Maverick 302

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 21:41:46 EST
From: SAR HOG
Subject: Re: Noises

In a message dated 97-12-18 18:17:30 EST, you write:


changed the rear pig out, checked the u-joints, I can see no wear marks
that would indicate the rear axle is twisting. Any other places to look?
>>

Did you check the u-joints by just trying to twist the driveshaft against them
by hand, or did you disconnect the u-joint to check for smooth movement in all
directions? I had a bad noise like that and crawled under the truck and felt
no play in the driveshaft, so I thought it was good. After checking several
other things, I removed the u-joint and discovered that the grease was gone
and the needle bearings were frozen solid. New, and frequently greased, u-
joints fixed it for me. Good luck.

John Z
67 F-100 460/C-6

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 21:26:01 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Re; Thanks Group / Noise

> Thanks guys for keeping the bullsh*t factor on this list tolerable

I know exactly what John is talking about. You can only wade through so
much cr*p for minimal content before it becomes obvious that it's just not
worthwhile. I know I can count on this list to be both informative and
entertaining.

>Cause no one calls us
tolerable to our face and gets away with it!

I don't recall anyone ever saying you guys are tolerable! :-)

*****ford content**********

>1) Drive along and come to a stop. sit at the stop light, then gust as I
>start to accelerate ( fairly easily on the throttle ) there is a "thud"
>It can be heard but mostly felt
Dana,
Hope you solve this one quick. I have the same noise but I don't have a
driveshaft center bearing. I can't find anything loose or see anything
moving. This truck had a engine/trans swap by the previous owner, I just
keep praying that the whole thing isn't gonna end up laying on the street
one day.

later,
Dale Carmine
'79 F-150 351M
York, Nebraska

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 21:42:21 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Re: Motorcraft Carbs

>: Don't know the answer to this exactly but suspect the 2150 has a
>removable float bowl which can leak and the 2100 does not.

John,
I'm pretty sure that the 2150 and 2100 both have the float bowls cast into
the base. The only 2-bbl carb I know of with the removable bowl is the
Holley 2300. I have a 2150 that I don't care much for and I keep reading
about how great the 2100 is. My Haynes manual has exploded views of both
carbs and they look very similar. The only obvious difference is that the
2100 has a diaphragm assy. in the air horn and the 2150 does not. But AFAIK
the whole venturi/metering system may be completely different.

>The superiority comes from the ability of the 2100/4100 carbs to atomize
the fuel
>closer to the vapor state than any other carb. The closer you get to the
vapor
>state, the better the power and consquently the mileage. Can't vouch for
this
>claim but this is according to an article written in the January 1996
Mustang
>Monthly.

Yea, I've been reading the same sort of stuff. Must be right????

later,
Dale Carmine
'79 F-150 351M
York, Nebraska

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 20:35:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: Re: Re; Thanks Group / Noise

>>1) Drive along and come to a stop. sit at the stop light, then gust as I
>>start to accelerate ( fairly easily on the throttle ) there is a "thud"
>>It can be heard but mostly felt
>Dana,
>Hope you solve this one quick. I have the same noise but I don't have a
>driveshaft center bearing. I can't find anything loose or see anything
>moving. This truck had a engine/trans swap by the previous owner, I just
>keep praying that the whole thing isn't gonna end up laying on the street
>one day.


More than likely it's coming from the springs, they have probably
worn into each other, creating little ridges, when the springs "wind up"
you get a "popping" noise as they over come the ridge.....

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'63 F100 Longbox

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:44:11 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: thanks group

Guilty as charged!


Ford trucks rule!


Dana

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:58:23 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: re re thanks group

No flame intended, it was sarcastic commentary to a much earlier post!

Deacon got it for sure! (I am still putting out the embers)

Got my new Ford truck windshield seal today!

Dana

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:07:14 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: another noise question

DC Beatty wrote:

> kinda thumps when I come to a stop as well. I can also feel it >sometimes in the steering wheel--like the front end shifting around a >tiny bit............. but I noticed by radius arm bushings are
> slightly whacked

Sounds like a good place to start. The axle would tend to wind a little
as the breaks were applied.

>............ Am I right in thinking that radius arms are for >forward/backward stabilization of the front end?
>
Yes and rotational as well!

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:18:56 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Re; Thanks Group / Noise

Steve & Rockette wrote:
>

>
> More than likely it's coming from the springs, they have probably
> worn into each other, creating little ridges, when the springs "wind
> up" you get a "popping" noise as they over come the ridge.....
>

Had not thought of that.

I will be under the truck for my Annual:

"December-20th-To-December-31st,-Only-Vacation-I-Get-All-Year,-And-I-Get-To-Spend-It-Under-The-Truck,-Repair-What-I-Repaired-Last-Year,-Repair"
session.

Merry Christmas!

Dana

P.S. My wife just loves me at this time of year!;)

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:48:02 -0800
From: marko
Subject: URGENT!!!PLEASE HELP!!

Okay, here goes.

Got me a line on a 66 mercury stationwagon with functional 410 mercury,
original "marauder" sticker on air cleaner. I'll be rebuilding if I buy.

The 410 afaik has a 428 crank and 390-sized (4.05") bore. Can it be safely
bored to 4.13" (428 size?)

The 410 heads are basically the same as 352/390 heads. Aren't they? Then
why are the rocker covers taller? BTW they have "mercury" stamped into them
instead of "power by Ford". COOL!!!!!

This 410 has a funny looking 4 barrel carburetor on it. The whole
venturi/float bowl setup is one piece cast. The whole top (covers of both
float bowls) come off in one piece. Carburetor looks like it was hewn out
of a brick of pot metal, know what I mean? There is a FOMOCO tag on it.
The choke heater is in the very rear, it looks like. The choke covers the
front 2 barrels. Is this an Autolite 4100? Is this a good carburetor?

I know the 410 uses Detroit balance. I intend to internally balance the
crank assy. If I do that, can I take my 360 flywheel, balance it, and use
it? (cos the wagon's an automatic and the truck is a standard).

What are the power ratings for a 410? Does it perform substantially better
than the 390? Is it a sleeper or a slug?

Finally, does $400 Canadian sound like too much to pay (the motor runs, no
water in the oil and not too noisy, 160 thoumi and never been opened but sat
a coupla years) and does anybody want a 66 mercury stationwagon with some
rust and no engine?


cheers, please reply SOON as I have to make arrangements FRIDAY.


Thanks!

marko 8^0

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:55:21 -0800
From: marko
Subject: URGENT!!!PLEASE HELP!!#2

I forgot to say,

I have a 71 f250 4x4 with nice running gear but a goofy 360 and a rusty
body. I have a 67 mercury m100 with a rust-free body and an exhausted 352
with leaky headgaskets.

I want to build a logging-road stomping 4x4 with 71 f250 running gear, a 67
mercury body (same as 67 ford) and hopefully much better power, I'm thinkin
this 410 cause somebody mentioned maybe a 428 but I have the chance to buy
this.

OK I'm waitin for your comments.

Hey Deacon,

crazy bout a mercureeeeee
craaaayyyzeeee bout a mercureeee

gonna buy me a mercre and-a croooze it on down the road

(lately commercialized. much as I love Ford trucks it just doesn't have the
same twang as when Steve Miller did it)

marko in vancouver

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 02:02:15 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: URGENT!!!PLEASE HELP!!#2

>(lately commercialized. much as I love Ford trucks it just doesn't have
the
>same twang as when Steve Miller did it)

Hey but only one guy did it right!

DAVID LINDLEY - MERCURY BLUES

Well, if I had money tell you what I'd do
I'd go downtown and buy a Mercury or two
Crazy 'bout a Mercury, Lord I'm crazy 'bout a Mercury
I'm gonna buy me a Mercury and cruise it up and down the road
Well, the girl I love, I stole her from a friend
He got lucky stole her back again
She heard he had a Mercury, Lord she's crazy 'bout a Mercury
I'm gonna buy me a Mercury and cruise it up and down the road
Well, hey now mama you look so fine
Ridin' round in your Mercury 49
Crazy 'bout a Mercury, Lord I'm crazy 'bout a Mercury
I'm gonna buy me a Mercury and cruise it up and down the road
Well, my baby went out she didn't stay long
Bought herself a Mercury, come a cruisin' home
Crazy 'bout a Mercury, yeah she's crazy 'bout a Mercury
I'm gonna buy me a Mercury and cruise it up and down the road

Well Marko, I can't tell you anything about a Merc 410 but I'd do it
just for the fact the heads are stamped Mercury! :) I love Merc's and have
planed to get Mercury badges at a junkyard to replace the Ford ones on my
truck. In 1961 my Dad bought a new Mercury wagon with the wood sides. Next
thing I knew, we loaded it up in North Attleborogh Massachusetts headed west....


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