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fordtrucks61-79-digest Wednesday, December 17 1997 Volume 01 : Number 390



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In this issue:

Turn Signals ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Turn Signals [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: Turn Signals ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Ford Build Sheets & WTB Door Panels/Tailgate [BFoster02
Tie Rod Noises! ["Daniel H. Jenkins" ]
Ballast Resistor location ["MICHAEL THOMAS" ]
Re: Ballast Resistor location ["Deacon" ]
Re: Turn Signals [ECampb5214 ]
Re: Turn Signals [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Re: Ballast Resistor location [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Re: Tie Rods? [Mike Schwall ]
Re: Ballast Resistor location [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: Tie Rods? [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #389 ["Dennis K. Austin"
More about my noises!! ["Daniel H. Jenkins" ]
Re: Tie Rods? ["Deacon" ]

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:05:20 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Turn Signals

Ok, here's one for ya. My turn signals quit quite suddenly and it
appears as though a fuse may have blown but I can't find any bad ones
and the brake lights and hazzards work as expected??

I also switched the flashers (two poles, same on both) with no
response and I know at least one works, didn't test the signal one
on the hazzards tho, do that tonight maybe. Driving the T-Bird till
I get it figured out :-(

Any clues?

Michigan Pot Hole Jumpin Bronco lover, -- Gary --

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:23:53 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Turn Signals

Are they on steady when the turn signal is on or are they off?

If they are on steady check all of the bulbs even the ones in the
instrument cluster, a flasher unit needs a minimum load to work. (
sometimes even two bulbs out can make them freeze up )

If they are off and the fuse is good ( test removed with an Ohm meter
) look for a loose connector at the steering column. ( mine had been
replaced some time ago and the tangs broke off of the round metal
connectors inside the plastic holder now I have to push each one in by
hand )

Hope it helps!

Dana

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:34:39 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Turn Signals

> From: danadeb pacbell.net
> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:23:53 -0800
> Subject: Re: Turn Signals

> Are they on steady when the turn signal is on or are they off?

They're dead like a blown fuse but the fuses all look good. I'm
going to pull the wheel tonight and short some stuff to see where the
problem is. Didn't think to check the front lights when the hazzards
were on to verify bulbs but will tonight, I think they were working
so that only leaves the switch or connections. Just thought I'd
throw it out in case someone had some unique insight I hadn't thought
of yet :-)

Wonder how Kym's steering wheel is coming along? Last post didn't
sound too good :-(

Michigan Pot Hole Jumpin Bronco lover, -- Gary --

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:09:43 EST
From: BFoster02
Subject: Ford Build Sheets & WTB Door Panels/Tailgate

I don't know if anyone else tried calling Ford Customer Service, but after the
attempt to e-mail Ford I tried calling the 800# and requested the build info.

Unfortunately, they didn't send me the original build data (I put in another
request for it), but they did give me a nicely researched 1 typed page
description of my vehicle. As it turns out, my '76 is all original except for
the restored bench seat, the missing tailgate, and the radio is missing
(originally an AM only). I have determined that the truck only has 121.6K
original miles on it -- very lucky indeed since I bought it for only $800.

I am looking for interior door panels. The plastic retention points at the arm
rest are broken and the arm rest on the driver's side is missing. Anyone know
a good source for new, original door panels? I've seen the copies and I was
disgusted. Ford has originals (in black or dark green) but they're about $300
each.

Lastly, John (Simi Valley): I lost your e-mail address and phone information.
Can you get back in touch with me? I may have reconsidered your tailgate
offer.

Brian
'76 F250 4x2
Irvine CA

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:28:19 -0800 (PST)
From: "Daniel H. Jenkins"
Subject: Tie Rod Noises!

OK, a bunch of friends and I took my truck out last night. We
conclusively decided that the noise coming from the front, right end is
like a metallic thunk. I still need to check out the nut holding the
spring on, but I'm defintely not going to have time to today; I hate
these short winter days! Thanks.

- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Daniel H. JenkinsFood for thought: John Milton
djenkins honors.unr.eduwrote _Paradise_Lost_; When his
Honors Programwife died he wrote _Paradise_
University of Nevada, Reno_Regained_...

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:22:49 -0500
From: "MICHAEL THOMAS"
Subject: Ballast Resistor location

I need to know where the ballast resistor is on a '78F150. I am
using my friend's e-mail, so if any replies, either send them to the
newsletter, or his e-mail at the signature.
Thanks.

Bruce K.


M. Dustin Thomas
mdthomas nc.edu
KB9OGG

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:38:25 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: Ballast Resistor location

>I need to know where the ballast resistor is on a '78F150.
Bruce K.

Ballast resistor? We don't have a ballast resistor. We don't need any
stinking ballast resistors! :)



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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:40:03 EST
From: ECampb5214
Subject: Re: Turn Signals

a lose wire?

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:06:01 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: Turn Signals

>Ok, here's one for ya. My turn signals quit quite suddenly and it
>appears as though a fuse may have blown but I can't find any bad ones
>and the brake lights and hazzards work as expected??
>
>I also switched the flashers (two poles, same on both) with no
>response and I know at least one works, didn't test the signal one
>on the hazzards tho, do that tonight maybe. Driving the T-Bird till
>I get it figured out :-(
>
>Any clues?

It sounds like there is no hot getting to the flasher unit. As I recall,
power goes from the ignition to the flasher unit to the column switch to the
lights and ground is on the other side. I don't think the switch on the
column is a ground in other words, I think it is hot, a diverter as it were,
with the center position being "off". I'm just not sure if it's up or
downstream of the flasher unit.

Turn on your parking lights. If they all work, and your brake lights work,
then chances are that your assemblies are properly grounded. Rule that out.
Likewise with bulbs.

Take out the flasher unit and ground your test light on a piece of metal.
Then stick it in the clip for the headlight fuse. It should light up. Now
that you know your test light works, stick it in the holes for the flasher
unit. You should get some power out of one of the holes. If not, engage
the turn signal lever in one direction and try all the holes again. And
then in the other direction.

If you find power at the flasher unit mount your switch is probly ok and
your unit is probly bad. Get an electronic one (these don't really depend
on load like the electromechanical ones do, but flash all the time no matter
how many bulbs burnt out) and check again. I dunno how old yr truck is but
make sure you're using the appropriate voltage unit (6v or 12v).

Assuming you found power at the fuse box/flasher unit mount with the column
switch in neutral, the problem is likely in the column switch or the wire
leading into it. It is unlikely that both the left and right leads OUT of
the column switch would crap out at the same time. Take your column apart
enough to expose the switch and if you can't see the problem right away,
ground the test light and touch the pointy end to the centre (floating) pole
on the switch, the one that moves from left to neutral to right. You should
have power there. If you do not then you can figure there's no power at all
getting to your column, and why would that be (cut wire probly).

I'm doing this without wiring diagrams so I am not 100% sure that the wire
in the column switch is hot, only 99%. I could be wrong, and anticipate
major flames if I in fact am.

Good luck


marko in vancouver
marko helix.net
71 f250 4x4
67 mercury m100

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:08:48 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: Ballast Resistor location

>I need to know where the ballast resistor is on a '78F150. I am
>using my friend's e-mail, so if any replies, either send them to the
>newsletter, or his e-mail at the signature.
>Thanks.
>
>Bruce K.
>
>
>M. Dustin Thomas
>mdthomas nc.edu
>KB9OGG

Bruce/Dustin/Thomas:

There really isn't a resistor. Older ford trucks used a resistor wire from
the ignition to the coil to cut voltage from 12 to 6v. I think durasparks
are straight 12V. It was D!dges that used ballasts. Are you sure you're
not driving a D dge?

marko in vancouver ;^0

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:24:36 -0600
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: Re: Tie Rods?

At 05:52 PM 12/15/97 -0800, you wrote:
>If the noise is a jingle sound then it's just Santa! ;)
>
>No really, if it jingles then check the nut inside the coil spring. Mine
>was loose and no matter how many times I looked at it, it seemed fine.
>Then I lifted the body and let the axle hang ( or something like that
>)and sure enough the hut was loose enough to allow the large washer to
>move, creating the jingle! Can't tell you how many of our type trucks I
>hear with the same jingle.
>
>Hope it helps. If not describe the noise, too much info is better then
>not enough!
>
>Dana

I have the same problem. ('78 F150 2WD)

I replaced the front coil springs about a month ago so I know it can't be
the lower retainer nut (made sure it was tight). However, I did start to
notice the noise a few days after replacing the springs. The noise is a
deep sounding popping noise when I go over "Texas" sized bump,. or I flex
the frame like when I turn up a hill (like a driveway).

I did have to drop the front down quite a bit to get the old spring out/new
spring in. The I-beam bushings are original, but the radius arm bushings
are not more than a year old.

I thought it was the transmission mount (3spd manual). So I took the mount
off, but it turned out to be fine. Tried to tighten every bolt or nut that
I can see on the frame. Nothing seemed to help. I have a feeling it has
to do with the front suspension. Oh, bearings have been inspected and re
packed by me about a year ago.

Weird thing is that the noise does not come from the same place every time.
It stays on the right side, but sometimes it comes from under the seat, or
under the passenger side floor pan, or up front around the wheel area.

There is nothing down there. Maybe it's the body mount bolts. Then again,
I installed a 2" lift kit a while back and I made sure every bolt was tight
(used 1/2" rachet and some muscle).

The original poster said he noticed the problem after going over some heavy
duty bumps. I went bahaing a few months ago in deep south Texas. The
right front hit hard enough to knock a plate loose in the battery and
practically destroy the bump stop.

Dunno guys, help us out. What did we miss?

Mike

_____________________________________________

Email: mikes intx.net
Home Page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.intx.net/mikes

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:14:26 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Ballast Resistor location

MICHAEL THOMAS wrote:
>
> I need to know where the ballast resistor is on a '78F150. I am
> using my friend's e-mail, so if any replies, either send them to the
> newsletter, or his e-mail at the signature.
> Thanks.
>


Can't say for a 78 but my 70 has a resistor wire and it is located
behind the insterment cluster. They are usually pink and say resister
wire or something like that on it.

Someone replied that Durasparks do not have resister wires, not quit
true, Duraspark I doesn't have a resister wire but duraspark II does.

Hope it helps!

Dana

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:20:54 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Tie Rods?

Mike Schwall wrote:

> The original poster said he noticed the problem after going over some heavy
> duty bumps. I went bahaing a few months ago in deep south Texas. The
> right front hit hard enough to knock a plate loose in the battery and
> practically destroy the bump stop.
>


Could it be that simple, right there in front of us? missing bump stops?

Dana

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:47:23 -0600
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #389

>
> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:52:23 -0800
> From: danadeb pacbell.net
> Subject: Re: Tie Rods?
>
> If the noise is a jingle sound then it's just Santa! ;)
>
> No really, if it jingles then check the nut inside the coil spring. Mine
> was loose and no matter how many times I looked at it, it seemed fine.
> Then I lifted the body and let the axle hang ( or something like that
> )and sure enough the hut was loose enough to allow the large washer to
> move, creating the jingle! Can't tell you how many of our type trucks I
> hear with the same jingle.
>
> Hope it helps. If not describe the noise, too much info is better then
> not enough!
>
> Dana
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:14:37 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Daniel H. Jenkins"
> Subject: Re: Tie Rods?
>
> Well, if that is the case, how would I go about fixing it? Just
> tightening the nut a bit? Hope that it... it's cheaper than putting in
> new tie rods! :) Of course, I don't kno
Hey Dan!
I think you might look elsewhere in this case. You tend to believe that
your jingle is not in your front suspension. Mine wasn't! It was the
bolts holding the "doghouse" or the entire front body to the frame. The
bushings had rotted away over time letting the bolts and washers near
the front of the body move about as I drove it. When a friend finally
figured this out one of the nuts had also fallen off the left front
bolt. He sort of picked the bolt right out of the frame proudly
claiming "lookie here...you know if you ever get hit the whole front of
this thing is going to break off!" Anyway, its a suggestion. You
mentioned running over rocks (boulders?)... could you have sheared off a
nut to one of the body bolts?

- -=DENNIS=- 65' F100 Styleside Modified 302 and 4 speed.

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:57:06 -0800 (PST)
From: "Daniel H. Jenkins"
Subject: More about my noises!!

Well, I don't think that I sheared off any of the bolts holding my
body on; The noise just happened within the last mont or two, and I went
over the rocks well over a year ago. The bushings seem to be in OK shape;
THey're the stock ones, but they aren't completely rotted out. The noise
always comes from the same spot, but in varying intensities. It's always
from the front right tire, maybe where the tie rods connect to the
wheels... :) I'm going to check the tightness of all of the bolts
tomorrow I hope, so I'll give you guys more info tomorrow. Just keep your
fingers crossed that it's something simple!! Thanks agian.

- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Daniel H. JenkinsFood for thought: John Milton
djenkins honors.unr.eduwrote _Paradise_Lost_; When his
Honors Programwife died he wrote _Paradise_
University of Nevada, Reno_Regained_...

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:30:54 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: Tie Rods?

What you people need is "The Deacon Blues cure for unwanted noise" add
wanted
noise! Amps, Subwoofer, CD, and most of all

So, so ya think you can tell
heaven from hell, blue skies from pain, can you tell a green field
from a cold steel rail? A smile from a veil? Do ya think ya can tell?
Did they get you to trade, your hero's for ghosts, hot ashes for
trees
Hot air for a cool breeze, cold comfort for change, did you exchange,
a walk on part in the war, for a lead role in a cage?

How I wish, how I wish you were here,
We're just two lost soles swimming in a fish bowl, year after year,....


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