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Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 03:50:30 -0700 (MST) From: owner-fordtrucks61-79-digest To: fordtrucks61-79-digest Subject: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #389 Reply-To: fordtrucks61-79 Sender: owner-fordtrucks61-79-digest fordtrucks61-79-digest Tuesday, December 16 1997 Volume 01 : Number 389 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks Digest Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: fordtrucks61-79-digest-request with the word "unsubscribe" in the body of the message. For help, send email to the same address with the word "help" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: Re: Trailer-Hitches ["Gary, 78 BBB" ] D-series & Utilities [Mark Barry ] RE: Trailer-Hitches [Sleddog ] Re: D-series & Utilities [danadeb Re Trailer-Hitches ["Hogan, Tom" ] 4100 carb [Stuart Varner ] Re: D-series & Utilities ["Gary, 78 BBB" ] Re: Trailer hitches [BULL229 ] Re: 66 Power steering pump ["Gary, 78 BBB" ] Re: Dana 44 ball joints ["Deacon" ] Re: Dana 44 ball joints ["Gary, 78 BBB" ] Tie Rods? ["Daniel H. Jenkins" ] Test [am14 Re: Tie Rods? ["Gary, 78 BBB" ] RE: D-series & Utilities [mcat Re: Motorcraft Carbs ["Dale and Donna Carmine" ] Re: Tie Rods? ["Daniel H. Jenkins" ] Re: 66 Power steering pump [Don Grossman ] Re: Dana 44 ball joints [Don Grossman ] Re: Tie Rods? [danadeb Re: Tie Rods? ["Daniel H. Jenkins" ] Re: D-series & Utilities [Mike Blazek ] Re: Tie Rods? [danadeb ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:06:44 +0000 From: "Gary, 78 BBB" Subject: Re: Trailer-Hitches > From: "mei > Subject: Trailer-Hitches > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:13:06 -0000 > Why bolt and not weld isn't welding stronger or does it weaken the > frame inquiring minds need to know thanks Bolting is almost always better due to the fact is allows the frame to flex in it's designed fashion. It also puts less stress on the hitch welds for the same reason, the hitch tends to move within the frame without bending itself. There is less likelyhood of bolts being stress cracked and most hitch shops do not have certified welding staff on hand to do the welding either which makes the security of the job suspect IMHO. I'm not certified either but I knwo what it takes to get it and trust me, most of these guys don't know the fine points of weldment construction. I've welded stuff simply because I can and drilling holes from an awkward position is a pain but bolting is still better IMHO :-) Michigan Pot Hole Jumpin Bronco lover, -- Gary -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:22:53 +1000 From: Mark Barry Subject: D-series & Utilities Hi to all you F-100 drivers, The questions in my first posting remain unanswered, ie; do any of you know anything regarding the ford D-series trucks? For those of you who were interested I did define the D-series (in my second posting, Dec 12) but when I proposed that perhaps the D-series is a breed developed outside of the U.S. It seems I raised some ire regarding the General Motors Holden Utility! I quote: >Incidentally Holden developed/invented the Utility (the Ute) which is a >pick-up based on a car chassis. > >Mark. >> I dont know about this, i always thought it was the american farmer >>who dreamed up the truck-on-car chassis.... >>Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach >>'63 F100 Longbox >>My grand daddy was using model A's for tractors long before I was >>born and it wouldn't surprise me at all if he had one with a flat bed >>on it too :-) This was back in the 20's BTW, how long ago did you >>say he "invented" it? >>Michigan Pot Hole Jumpin Bronco lover, -- Gary -- I would like to elaborate that I believe Holden (Aus) invented/developed/ produced the first PRODUCTION CAR Utility. I think we are arguing semantics here as I don't dispute that there were model-A Ford flat-bed TRUCKS well before 1950. I also understand that many good old boys were probably using the blue-flame-wrench to modify cars into utilities. But in my books a popular modification is not a production car! I also believe any Cab-Chassis vehicle would normally be regarded as a truck. The point I was making is that; just as General Motors Holden developed a range of cars in Austalia, then pehaps British Ford or Ford Australia? developed the D-series truck range. Once again I ask, does anyone know? Mark P.S. Let's be clear about my definition of a utility, the tray is an integral part of the whole car body and therefor the cab is not separate. P.P.S I don't know if a 78-79 F-series Ford looks like a D-series. - -- ************************************************* Mark BarryMob. Phone:041 999 3966 B. S. Sound Phone:03 9531 1403 P. A. Hire (Aus) Fax:03 9531 2688 Web-site http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.bssound.com.au New emailmark Also still atbssound ************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:04:41 -0500 From: Sleddog Subject: RE: Trailer-Hitches my personal opinion is that bolting is better. i use a receiver hitch with a flat plate on my pull truck for the sled's chain to hook too also, and it is bolted. my "tow" truck - same thing. i have found that it is easier to bolt and just as strong - plus i don't like welding onto the frame anything i don't have to. welding tends to distort things a bit, mistakes are worse when lining up the parts, and it is too "permanant". bolting (grade 8 or better) is strong enough and replaceable/servicable. on no truck have i ever had a problem related to bolting, or any problem really, and i am very close to 17,000 gvw or more when going to a truck pull. the pullttruck pulls the sled hard, and the sled is #35,000 or more (that is what i was told at least.) bolting also allows some movement of the frame (flexxing) that welding tries to limit - ceating higher stress concentrations. so, for me, bolting works and welding is a waste of time. and if welding is done wrong, it can weaken the frame. done right, there is not really a problem. just watch out for the fual tank, wiring, etc. sleddog - ---------- From: mei Sent: Friday, December 12, 1997 4:13 PM To: 'fordtrucks61-79 Subject: Trailer-Hitches Why bolt and not weld isn't welding stronger or does it weaken the frame inquiring minds need to know thanks +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961 thru 1979 --------------+ | Send posts to fordtrucks61-79 | List removal information is on the web site. | +---------- Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ ----------+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:45:19 -0800 From: danadeb Subject: Re: D-series & Utilities Where's the gif, jpg etc? danadeb Thanks Dana PS. Don't mind the "good old boys" on the list they don't mean any harm! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:41:39 -0800 From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: Re Trailer-Hitches Yes, It will weaken the frame. As I remember the Ford truck frame is made of a spring steel to allow it to flex as it goes over bumps etc. Welding to the frame will create stresses in the metal at the weld and weaken it there. Having said that I have seen some welders attaching brackets to large (18 wheel) truck frames. They recommended that if you had to weld to a frame to weld parallel to the frame at the top or bottom. NEVER weld perpendicular to the frame from top to bottom. All the hitches I have seen are set up as bolt on any way. - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:13:06 -0000 From: "mei Subject: Trailer-Hitches Why bolt and not weld isn't welding stronger or does it weaken the frame inquiring minds need to know thanks - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:09:41 -0800 From: Stuart Varner Subject: 4100 carb Someone mentioned a few weeks ago about having 2 4100 carbs for sale.... anyone have one or know who it was that had the cores sitting around. If I am really lucky maybe one of them will have a build date of 1965 or 1966......IMHO, the two best years for 4100's. Private email ok. Nuke GM! STU ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:32:21 +0000 From: "Gary, 78 BBB" Subject: Re: D-series & Utilities > Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:22:53 +1000 > From: Mark Barry > Subject: D-series & Utilities > define the D-series (in my second posting, Dec 12) but when I > proposed that perhaps the D-series is a breed developed outside of > the U.S. It seems I raised some ire regarding the General Motors > Holden Utility! I quote: >Incidentally Holden developed/invented the I don't know about the others but I was just kidding! :-) From your description it almost sounds like the old van/pickup we had or maybe it was called the econoline pickup? Michigan Pot Hole Jumpin Bronco lover, -- Gary -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:46:23 EST From: BULL229 Subject: Re: Trailer hitches You should always bolt on in my opinion. If something bad happens, the bolts will shear and not bend the frame. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:41:32 +0000 From: "Gary, 78 BBB" Subject: Re: 66 Power steering pump > From: "Brian Forbes" > Subject: 66 Power steering pump > Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 21:12:56 -0600 > I need some help. I'm planning to install a power steering gear box > in my 66. I already know about shortening the steering column. The > problem I've got is, what type of pump do I need. Will a pump off > another model Ford, ie. Mustang, fill the bill? I haven't seen a reply to this yet so I'll just say I don't think it matters. They all pretty much put out around 1500 psi. Just make sure the hoses will bolt up :-) Michigan Pot Hole Jumpin Bronco lover, -- Gary -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:07:18 -0800 From: "Deacon" Subject: Re: Dana 44 ball joints >Another thought I've had, seriously, for parking brake, not emergency I have a theory on the term "emergency brake". When braking systems went from mechanical to hydraulic, Salesmen would tell flat earth people, that the mechanical parking was there encase of hydraulic failure. Or was it called an emergency brake at one time? Because most parking brakes use the rear wheels, makes a parking brake dangerous in an emergency. Once back when I was a teen, a friend and I got a hold of this van that didn't run. We worked on it and got it running then decided to take it out for a spin. Typical youthful thinking, get it to go and don't think of how to stop it. The parking brake made us loose control (see next paragragh) Luckily it was a field a tree and a short wall that stopped us and not people. Well that ended any aspirations of us having a van. Another youthful "only because we're immortal" trick we did with our parking brake was bend the brake release so the parking brake wouldn't lock down. Then we could do those nifty 180 deg turns by locking the back brakes and giving the wheel a little turn. Locking the back brakes doesn't stop you, as a matter of fact, the rear end will start going faster than the front. >is one of those theft proof dodads that lock your hyeraulic brakes. >Only problem I see with that is if the wheel cylinders bleed down >over night I've seen the ones used on some forklifts. They seem to hold pretty good. You push down the brake peddle and pull out the lever. The next time you step on the peddle the valve releases. I've thought about one of those. I don't use my parking brake because I forget to release it. Then I smoke the rear brakes. That couldn't happen with one of those. I had a motor home that had the parking brake on the driveline. It looked like a transmission band. When you pulled up on the brake handle it would clamp on the driveline. Worked good until I smoked the band. :) >Course that still doesn't give me "emergency" stopping power?? No worries Bro! Remember, you can't stop anyway. :~) >I often get behind cars going so slow I just can't stand it and blurt >out "watch out for falling anchors!" implying that to go any slower >he would have to toss out an anchor. Need I say more? Why is it they risk their lives with some Dukes of Hazard move from a parking lot to get in front of me just to go 25 mph, when they could have waited and came out at 25 mph after I passed. I do the Dukes of Hazard move from a parking lot, I just don't slow down after that. Later! Deacon Blues deconblu ================================================ Visit The Deacon Blues Homepage http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home1.gte.net/deconblu/ http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dragonfire.net/~site/tbirdknights/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:43:17 +0000 From: "Gary, 78 BBB" Subject: Re: Dana 44 ball joints > From: "Deacon" > Subject: Re: Dana 44 ball joints > Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:07:18 -0800 > Because most parking brakes use the rear wheels, makes a parking > brake > dangerous in an emergency. Once back when I was a teen, a friend and I've relied on them more than once to stop me and had no problems except that they really aren't designed to stop a moving vehicle with any efficiency but they will eventually stop you. Trick with newfangled vehicles with the foot lever is you got to hold the pull handle out while doing it or lock up the rear end and not be able to unlock it. If you hold the release out it acts like a foot brake but in a few years I won't have enough dexterity to put my foot on the pedal and hold the release at the same time :-) > I've seen the ones used on some forklifts. They seem to hold > pretty > good. You push down the brake peddle and pull out the lever. The > next time you step on the peddle the valve releases. I've thought I've seen them on large trucks, dump trucks I think but they usually only rely on them for temporary parking assistance etc.. > looked like a transmission band. When you pulled up on the brake > handle it would clamp on the driveline. Worked good until I smoked > the band. :) Military trucks had those back in the 60's and we caught one on fire that way. Burned the tarp off the back of the bed before we could find a fire extinguisher :-) Actually the emergency part is built into the dual resivoir master cylinders now days but I think the law still requires a manual brake of some kind so a tranny brake may be the only solution unless you are lucky enough to find an OEM setup like the 78 lincolns for 9" fords. Michigan Pot Hole Jumpin Bronco lover, -- Gary -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:59:04 -0800 (PST) From: "Daniel H. Jenkins" Subject: Tie Rods? I just got done replacing my front shocks in an attempt to remedy the noises coming from my front, right tire when I go over bumps (Lots of potholes here in Reno! :)) Anyway, it still isn't fixed. My steering wheel does have a lot of free play, but the wheels, in my opinion, don't move excessively when I jack up the vehicle and grasp them. Is it my tie rods? It seems to me that the wheels not moving excessively would eliminate the tie rods... ANy ideas? Thanks. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel H. JenkinsFood for thought: John Milton djenkins Honors Programwife died he wrote _Paradise_ University of Nevada, Reno_Regained_... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:07:43 -0500 From: am14 Subject: Test Got kicked off the Co. mailing network. Just wanted to check and see if I was still in good standing or had been BOOTED off. Just got back on. Reply directly please. AM14 Azie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:14:09 +0000 From: "Gary, 78 BBB" Subject: Re: Tie Rods? > Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:59:04 -0800 (PST) > From: "Daniel H. Jenkins" > Subject: Tie Rods? > I just got done replacing my front shocks in an attempt to remedy > the noises coming from my front, right tire when I go over bumps > (Lots of potholes here in Reno! :)) Anyway, it still isn't fixed. Is it two wheel or four wheel drive? In any case it could be wheel bearings, king pins, spring clamps or bolts radius arm bushings, antisway bar attachments etc.. Tell us more about your truck? Michigan Pot Hole Jumpin Bronco lover, -- Gary -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 17:55:53 PST From: mcat Subject: RE: D-series & Utilities Mark, I think the D-series is unique to your neck of the woods.I remeber seeing a Duran duran video several yrs back and they had a rhd F100 in it, At first I thought the film was reverced but after looking at it a couple of times it was a rhd. You could read the hood emblems and they were on right. The truck was a67-72. Dont remeber the yr for sure. Garry - --- On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:22:53 +1000 Mark Barry wrote: >Hi to all you F-100 drivers, The questions in my first posting remain >unanswered, ie; do any of you know anything regarding the ford D-series >trucks? >For those of you who were interested I did define the D-series >(in my second posting, Dec 12) but when I proposed that perhaps the >D-series is a breed developed outside of the U.S. It seems I raised some >ire regarding the General Motors Holden Utility! >I quote: >>Incidentally Holden developed/invented the Utility (the Ute) which is a >>pick-up based on a car chassis. >> >>Mark. >>> I dont know about this, i always thought it was the american farmer >>>who dreamed up the truck-on-car chassis.... >>>Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach >>>'63 F100 Longbox >>>My grand daddy was using model A's for tractors long before I was >>>born and it wouldn't surprise me at all if he had one with a flat bed >>>on it too :-) This was back in the 20's BTW, how long ago did you >>>say he "invented" it? >>>Michigan Pot Hole Jumpin Bronco lover, -- Gary -- > >I would like to elaborate that I believe Holden (Aus) invented/developed/ >produced the first PRODUCTION CAR Utility. >I think we are arguing semantics here as I don't dispute that there were >model-A Ford flat-bed TRUCKS well before 1950. I also understand that >many good old boys were probably using the blue-flame-wrench to modify >cars into utilities. But in my books a popular modification is not a >production car! I also believe any Cab-Chassis vehicle would normally >be regarded as a truck. The point I was making is that; just as General >Motors Holden developed a range of cars in Austalia, then pehaps British >Ford or Ford Australia? developed the D-series truck range. Once again I >ask, does anyone know? >Mark >P.S. >Let's be clear about my definition of a utility, the tray is an integral >part of the whole car body and therefor the cab is not separate. >P.P.S I don't know if a 78-79 F-series Ford looks like a D-series. >-- >************************************************* >Mark BarryMob. Phone:041 999 3966 >B. S. Sound Phone:03 9531 1403 >P. A. Hire (Aus) Fax:03 9531 2688 > Web-site http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.bssound.com.au > New emailmark >Also still atbssound >************************************************* > >+-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961 thru 1979 --------------+ >| Send posts to fordtrucks61-79 >| List removal information is on the web site. | >+---------- Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ ----------+ > - -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Name: Garry E-mail: mcat Date: 12/15/97 Time: 5:55:53 PM 427 Fe powered 56 F-100 Wild by design ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:41:14 -0600 From: "Dale and Donna Carmine" Subject: Re: Motorcraft Carbs Hi list, Who can tell me what the difference is between a motorcraft 2150 and the 2100??? What is the basis for Pony Carburetor to claim that the "2100 is the finest 2-bbl ever made"? later, Dale Carmine '79 F-150 351M York, Nebraska ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:45:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Daniel H. Jenkins" Subject: Re: Tie Rods? OK, some more information about by truck: It's a 1977 F150 Super Cab. It's two wheel drive. The wheel bearing were just recently professinally repacked, so I truly doubt that is it. The mechanic who did them is one of the best and most reputable in the area. I did manage to chew up the unerside of my truck one night on some BIG rocks, but the truck juts recently started making the noises, so I doubt that's it. Hope all this info helps! Thanks. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel H. JenkinsFood for thought: John Milton djenkins Honors Programwife died he wrote _Paradise_ University of Nevada, Reno_Regained_... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:24:29 -0800 From: Don Grossman Subject: Re: 66 Power steering pump Gary, 78 BBB wrote: > > > From: "Brian Forbes" > > Subject: 66 Power steering pump > > Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 21:12:56 -0600 > > > I need some help. I'm planning to install a power steering gear box > > in my 66. I already know about shortening the steering column. The > > problem I've got is, what type of pump do I need. Will a pump off > > another model Ford, ie. Mustang, fill the bill? > > I haven't seen a reply to this yet so I'll just say I don't think it > matters. They all pretty much put out around 1500 psi. Just make > sure the hoses will bolt up :-) > > Michigan Pot Hole Jumpin Bronco lover, -- Gary -- What motor does the 66 have in it? You should be able to find factoy brackets for your engine application. If you already have the box great! Any of the Ford pumps will drive the box. - -- Don Grossman duckdon 63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:32:35 -0800 From: Don Grossman Subject: Re: Dana 44 ball joints Deacon wrote: > > >Another thought I've had, seriously, for parking brake, not emergency big SNIP.. > > >is one of those theft proof dodads that lock your hyeraulic brakes. > >Only problem I see with that is if the wheel cylinders bleed down > >over night > > I've seen the ones used on some forklifts. They seem to hold pretty > good. You push down the brake peddle and pull out the lever. The next time > you step on the peddle the valve releases. I've thought about one of those. > I don't use my parking brake because I forget to release it. Then I smoke > the rear brakes. That couldn't happen with one of those. > I had a motor home that had the parking brake on the driveline. It > looked like a transmission band. When you pulled up on the brake handle it > would clamp on the driveline. Worked good until I smoked the band. :) Hey Deacon, that little dodad is a Micro-Lock. I have one on the front brake of my truck. I works great for smok'n them tires. I pull the vaulve and step on the brake and the truck goes nowhere. It wont help if the brake seals are gone or no fluid is present and is not intended for parking. It could leak down over time. It is great for temporary holding power for loading a trailer or wenching someone out of a ditch. *g* > >Course that still doesn't give me "emergency" stopping power?? > > No worries Bro! Remember, you can't stop anyway. :~) > > >I often get behind cars going so slow I just can't stand it and blurt > >out "watch out for falling anchors!" implying that to go any slower > >he would have to toss out an anchor. Need I say more? > > Why is it they risk their lives with some Dukes of Hazard move from a > parking lot to get in front of me just to go 25 mph, when they could have > waited and came out at 25 mph after I passed. I do the Dukes of Hazard move > from a parking lot, I just don't slow down after that. > Later! Did we go to the same driving school, Cracker Jack? > Deacon Blues deconblu > ================================================ > Visit The Deacon Blues Homepage > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home1.gte.net/deconblu/ > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dragonfire.net/~site/tbirdknights/ - -- Don Grossman duckdon 63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:52:23 -0800 From: danadeb Subject: Re: Tie Rods? If the noise is a jingle sound then it's just Santa! ;) No really, if it jingles then check the nut inside the coil spring. Mine was loose and no matter how many times I looked at it, it seemed fine. Then I lifted the body and let the axle hang ( or something like that )and sure enough the hut was loose enough to allow the large washer to move, creating the jingle! Can't tell you how many of our type trucks I hear with the same jingle. Hope it helps. If not describe the noise, too much info is better then not enough! Dana ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:14:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Daniel H. Jenkins" Subject: Re: Tie Rods? Well, if that is the case, how would I go about fixing it? Just tightening the nut a bit? Hope that it... it's cheaper than putting in new tie rods! :) Of course, I don't know that it's a jingling noise. I would describe it more as a... I don't know how I'd describe it. I'll get some friends to answer what the noise is like... :) I'll post more later. Thanks. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel H. JenkinsFood for thought: John Milton djenkins Honors Programwife died he wrote _Paradise_ University of Nevada, Reno_Regained_... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:28:27 -0600 From: Mike Blazek Subject: Re: D-series & Utilities Hello, Mark; Sorry about the delay in replying, but what you're describing sounds like what we called the C series here. It seems like they built them forever, and they were available with gas/diesel engines, single/ tandem axles, box bodies/fifth wheels, whatever..A lot of the freight carriers around here used them for local and LTL deliveries. It seems though, that most of the jobs you used to see them do are now being done by Nissans, Isuzus & Hinos.. If you can forward a picture, I'll take a look and see how they compare... 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