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fordtrucks61-79-digest Thursday, December 11 1997 Volume 01 : Number 384



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In this issue:

Stick shift play [JCTDad ]
Re: Edelbrock Carb [SAR HOG ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #383 [Mark Barry ]
Re: Rear Drums F350 ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: Fuel line routing ["Bill Beyer" ]
68 trailer hitch ["kingw" ]
RE: 68 trailer hitch [Sleddog ]
Dana 44 ball joints ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Dana 44 ball joints [John MacNamara ]
RE: Dana 44 ball joints Tool Info [Randy Collins ]
RE: Dana 44 ball joints Tool Info ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
F150 Tailgate Graphic I saw today. [Keith Srb ]
68 trailer hitch [dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)]
Re: Drum brakes [ECampb5214 ]
Shop Manuals, FT#380 [Alan Mittelstaedt ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #383 [danadeb pacbell.net]
ADMIN: IRC chat [Ken Payne ]
ADMIN: the working mat [Ken Payne ]
C6 question ["Gary L. Williamson" ]
ADMIN: 67-72 Drum To Disc Conversion guide [Ken Payne
Re: ADMIN: IRC chat ["Deacon" ]

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 07:39:42 EST
From: JCTDad
Subject: Stick shift play

Hi all. While I've just purchased my eight Ford Truck, 1970 F100, and am
mechanically inclined, I,ve not done much beyond tune ups/oil changes. At any
rate, is there anything that can be done for a 4spd stick for the side to side
play of the stick iteself while in gear? I don't know specifically what
transmission it is but the tag says "D2A3EA-1" Thanks very much for your
help.

Jon Turner
1997 F150
1970 F100

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:07:47 EST
From: SAR HOG
Subject: Re: Edelbrock Carb

In a message dated 97-12-10 07:05:05 EST, you write:


>I just switched from a Holley to an Edelbrock a few weeks ago, (model 1407,
>750cfm,
>John Z
>67 F-100 460/C-6

John,
What's your initial impression on performance, driveabilty, and economy with
the edelbrock?

later,
Dale Carmine
'79 F-150 351M
York, Nebraska >>

I can't answer that yet, because the truck still has other problems that I
haven't fixed yet.

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:18:15 +1000
From: Mark Barry
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #383

Hi,
I have been receiving & reading this list for a month now but there
has been nothing relevant to what I drive as yet!

Does the Ford "D-series" exist in the USA?

I drive a 1976 D-0710 rigid truck. It seems you all drive F-100 Pick-ups!
In the past I have had problems with rear-brake auto-adjusters,
leaf springs "gone flat", clutch slave cylinder that doesn't throw enough,
& electrics that fail. Also steering problems with mixed cross-ply & radial
tyres, not to mention blow-outs due to bad pressure/load/temprature?

Anyone out there drive a Ford D-series?
Or have stories/solutions to any of the above?

Mark.
P.S. I'm from Australia.
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:11:31 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: Rear Drums F350

> Remove the 8 small bolts holding the axle in,
> remove the axle, then remove the large thin nut (2 each with a tabed
> locking washer between them) and slide the sucker off in your lap,
> making sure you catch the outer bearing to keep it from falling in the
> trashy floor. Piece of cake!!!

Best way to do it is pull the drum out (towards you) 2"- 3" the push it
back. Then you can grab the outer bearing, then pull the drum off.

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:16:15 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: Fuel line routing

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> From: am14 chrysler.com
> To: Fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Fuel line routing
> Date: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 9:43 AM
> I would think any kind of decent pump would
> "push" the fuel more than the length of any vehicle, provided the lines
> are all open. I'm not to sure how far it would "pull" fuel. Much less
> than push I would think. I'm basing this on my experience with well
> pumps and chemical pumps used around farming operations.

I think the folks at FoMoCo agree with your assessment. Maybe that's why
all of the newer trucks have in-tank high pressure fuel pumps. Very little
"pull", all "push." Even with the "feedback" system on EFI they still use
residual pressure to send fuel back to the tank instead of having to pull
it back.

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:22:31 -0600
From: "kingw"
Subject: 68 trailer hitch

I am looking to get a trailer hitch (ie bolt on receiver) for my 1968 F100
(2wd).
I will be pulling a car trailer with a 1968 Torino (was '68 a good year, or
what?).
Does anyone have suggestions on a type and brand of trailer hitch to get?
I have seen some in the J.C. Whitney catalog. What do ya think? Any other
places I should look? Will a bolt on receiver work, or should I get it
welded to the frame? Does anyone have thoughts on this? My greatest fear
is that my Torino and trailer will pass me on the highway somewhere
(*yikes*).

Thanks in advance (again).

Bill

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:48:36 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: 68 trailer hitch

get a class 5 hitch. bolt it on, do not weld it on. your car is around
3500 lbs? a trailer will be about 1500-2000 lbs and hopefully you have a 2
axle four brake trailer. i have a class 5 hitch, with a drawtite receiver,
hitch and brakes. they make good quality parts, and a hitch is one place
you should never go "cheap"!

i tow a 6500 lb ford on a 2000+ lb trailer not including tools, extra
tires, fuel, oil, etc. i do not use any equalizer bars or sway control. i
have a brake contoler that adjusts both the maximum brake force, and the
application rate. it is $100 well spent. my towing truck is a lot heavier
than yours (94 dodge v10 4x4, 6200 lbs). you may find it tows better with
a sway control, but most likely you wont need it. get a SOLID hitch, those
hollow tube dropped hitches are cheap.

as i said before, all towing parts are no place to skimp, definately better
to go bigger and heavier and stronger than you need. it is worth the piece
of mind alone, but maybe a whole lot more!

also, i do not know if your state requires it, but a brake away control is
a must (IMHO). then you will never see it pass you on the highway! :)

sleddog

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From: kingw[SMTP:kingw bgnet.bgsu.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 1997 12:22 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: 68 trailer hitch

I am looking to get a trailer hitch (ie bolt on receiver) for my 1968 F100
(2wd).
I will be pulling a car trailer with a 1968 Torino (was '68 a good year, or
what?).
Does anyone have suggestions on a type and brand of trailer hitch to get?
I have seen some in the J.C. Whitney catalog. What do ya think? Any other
places I should look? Will a bolt on receiver work, or should I get it
welded to the frame? Does anyone have thoughts on this? My greatest fear
is that my Torino and trailer will pass me on the highway somewhere
(*yikes*).

Thanks in advance (again).

Bill







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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:09:09 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Dana 44 ball joints

In case anyone is interested (ICAII) I have the number for OTC
division of SPX Corp who makes the tooling to work on Dana/Spicer
equipment: 507-451-5860 for tech assistance.

The ball joint spanner wrench for the sleeve or bushing is part no
7080 and NAPA can get it for $18.04

The case spreader is part no 7071 and can be had for as little as
$329.00 :-) I think the pry bar works well enough for now :-)

I called three different SnapOn numbers to get to the local
distributor who gave me the number of the local sales guy but
couldn't find this tool or the 3/32 ratchet wrench or even a 3/32,
1/4" drive socket either :-( (maybe craftsman?) I wanted for my
T-bird head light adjustments (and don't tell me they make a tool for
that, it doesn't fit, mine's scattered all over the garage floor
somewhere, I found a piece of it the other day)

My axle is still leaking so I will be taking Big Red's advice and
welding the tubes in this holiday along with some truss type gussets.
I've been wanting to experiment with this anyway, now I have
justification :-)

Then comes the Dana disk/caliper to 9" rear disk brake conversion I
think I can do.......................

==============================
64 Plug Gapper, 78 PU & Bronco
97 barn, 97 compressor (50 amp breaker)

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:21:35 -0800
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: Dana 44 ball joints

Gary, 78 BBB wrote:

> In case anyone is interested (ICAII) I have the number for OTC
> division of SPX Corp who makes the tooling to work on Dana/Spicer
> equipment: 507-451-5860 for tech assistance.
>
> The ball joint spanner wrench for the sleeve or bushing is part no
> 7080 and NAPA can get it for $18.04
>
> The case spreader is part no 7071 and can be had for as little as
> $329.00 :-) I think the pry bar works well enough for now :-)

I believe someone on an earlier thread had mentioned another method of
spreading thepumpkin without this tool but don't remember his scheme. I
think he is on one of the other lists.

> I called three different SnapOn numbers to get to the local
> distributor who gave me the number of the local sales guy but
> couldn't find this tool or the 3/32 ratchet wrench or even a 3/32,
> 1/4" drive socket either :-( (maybe craftsman?) I wanted for my
> T-bird head light adjustments (and don't tell me they make a tool for
> that, it doesn't fit, mine's scattered all over the garage floor
> somewhere, I found a piece of it the other day)
>
> My axle is still leaking so I will be taking Big Red's advice and
> welding the tubes in this holiday along with some truss type gussets.
> I've been wanting to experiment with this anyway, now I have
> justification :-)

My axle was also leaking but when I had the fluid out I just sealed it
upwith black RTV and it works great. Not suggesting that as RTV is over
used alot but much simpler than welding for me.

>
>
> Then comes the Dana disk/caliper to 9" rear disk brake conversion I
> think I can do.......................
>
> ==============================
> 64 Plug Gapper, 78 PU & Bronco
> 97 barn, 97 compressor (50 amp breaker)
>
> -- Gary --
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:05:01 -0800
From: Randy Collins
Subject: RE: Dana 44 ball joints Tool Info

I called three different SnapOn numbers to get to the local distributor who
gave me the number of the local sales guy but couldn't find this tool or
the 3/32 ratchet wrench or even a 3/32, 1/4" drive socket either :-(
(maybe craftsman?) I wanted for my T-bird head light adjustments (and
don't tell me they make a tool for that, it doesn't fit, mine's scattered
all over the garage floor somewhere, I found a piece of it the other day)

Gary,

If you need an item looked up in one of the Tool Truck catalogs, I have all
four of the catalogs...Snap-On, MAC, Matco and Cornwal. I only have price
lists for the Snap-On and Cornwal catalog.

If you need info on tools there is really good web page at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.toolsource.com/

Go to the section labeled "Tool Talk" and post your questions there. It is
frequented by tool truck guys and some pretty sharp folks.

Later,

Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
Machine work in progress...
(Soon to be 460 SUPER COBRA JET)

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:28:43 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: Dana 44 ball joints Tool Info

> From: Randy Collins
> Subject: RE: Dana 44 ball joints Tool Info
> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:05:01 -0800

> If you need an item looked up in one of the Tool Truck catalogs, I
> have all four of the catalogs...Snap-On, MAC, Matco and Cornwal. I
> only have price lists for the Snap-On and Cornwal catalog.
>
> If you need info on tools there is really good web page at:
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.toolsource.com/
>
> Go to the section labeled "Tool Talk" and post your questions there.
> It is frequented by tool truck guys and some pretty sharp folks.

Thanks Randy, I'll go take a look right now. I'll have my sleeve
tool tomorrow night :-) I looked up MAC tools and discovered it's a
division of Stanley. Since Stanley sent all it's north american
manufacturing to asia I don't buy Stanly tools any more. It's a
shame too, they used to be a good company :-( I asked the Snap on
guy if their tools were made here and he said absolutely :-) Course
I suppose he could be lying :-(


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64 Plug Gapper, 78 PU & Bronco
97 barn, 97 compressor (50 amp breaker)

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:46:30 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: F150 Tailgate Graphic I saw today.

I saw a 97 Ford F150 with an interesting graphic painted on the Tailgate.


The graphic says "The Heart Beat Stops". Painted underneath this was a Heart Beat, Like they show on the monitors on TV Shows, that eventually went flat line.


I thought a few of you might get a kick out of this.


Later.




Keith Srbherbie netvalue.net

Mesa, AZ

1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi
5-Speed.

1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.

1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, Camper Special, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long
Box, Style Side.

1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Model 1100 1bbl carb, Oil Bath Air
Cleaner, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.

My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two
Wheels!"

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:53:00 -0500
From: dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)
Subject: 68 trailer hitch

- -> I am looking to get a trailer hitch (ie bolt on receiver) for my 1968
- -> F100 (2wd).
- -> I will be pulling a car trailer with a 1968 Torino (was '68 a good
- -> year, or what?).
- -> Does anyone have suggestions on a type and brand of trailer hitch to
- -> get? I have seen some in the J.C. Whitney catalog. What do ya think?

I have a '68 F100 with the heavy duty, dropped JC Whitney hitch. You
have to have the dropped hitch to clear the stock rear bumper. The
hitch was a name brand, I forget which, and appears to be quite solid.
I tossed all the bolts that came with it and use new Grade 8 fasteners
everywhere, but I'm paranoid anyway.

====dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us========================DoD#978=======
can you help me...help me get out of this place?...slow sedation...
ain't my style, ain't my pace...giving me a number...NINE, SEVEN, EIGHT
==5.0 RX7 -> Tyrannosaurus RX! == SAE '82 == Denizens of Doom M/C '92==


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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:15:09 EST
From: ECampb5214
Subject: Re: Drum brakes

Those brakes are expensive!

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:12:12 -0800
From: Alan Mittelstaedt
Subject: Shop Manuals, FT#380

I just finished off my '68 truck set with vol. 3, and got a set for my
'63 Galaxie from this guy:

Irv Bishko Auto Literature
14550 Watt Road
Novelty, Ohio 44072
(440) 338-4811

He seemed like a nice enough dude over the phone, and sent my books
right away. The stuff I got was absolutely first rate, but not dirt
cheap. I paid $25 for vol. 3, and $75 for the complete Galaxie set. He
also has service bulletins, parts books, owners manuals, and a bunch of
other stuff. You might try giving him a call. Hope I helped.


> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 23:17:22 EST
> From: GMPACHECO
> Subject: Re: FS '64 Books
>
> Sure do wish those books were for a 72' Ford Pu, I'm looking for a shop
> manual, keep your eyes peeled.
>
> Thanks Mike in Seattle

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:12:38 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #383

Right hand drive rules!


Could you define a Ford D-series to me?

Dana

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:00:32 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: IRC chat

I'm in the process of setting up an IRC chat channel to
replace the chat script on the web page. In order to
register the channel I need 7 "supporters". This does
not mean you commit to chatting every night but you
will drop in occasionally. Any volunteers?

Ken
Admin

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:22:08 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: the working mat

Dear Ford Truck Enthusiasts:

We have a new advertiser on our web site. As we did for Macs,
we're going to make a brief announcement for 2 days. This is
the second time this has been posted. You won't see it again.
Please show your appreciation to them for helping to support
the web site and lists by checking out their site:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/workingmat.shtml
(This is an "anchor" page that will forward you to theirs)

Arizona Working Mat Sales has a truly unique product, the
"Working Mat". It protects your pickup bed and holds cargo
in place (you've got to visit the site to view how it does this).

We would like to have them know that you heard about them via
the Ford Truck Enthusiasts group.

Now returning you to our regularly scheduled program...

Ken Payne
CoAdmin,
Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:20:11 -0500
From: "Gary L. Williamson"
Subject: C6 question

The transmission on my 77 truck is upset. I can put the unit in reverse
and drive all day. However, when I shift to neutral, you hear the trans
go to neutral, shift the trans into any forward gear and the trans stays
in neutral. I can never get it to shift into a forward gear. I've
adjusted the linkage and it didn't help. Before this problem, I could
barely go forward with the truck. It acted as if the trans was
slipping. No matter how much gas you give it, it would run to about
10-20 mph and that was tops. Now it's reverse only. I've got a few
ideas, but could use others.

Thanks!

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 00:21:44 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: 67-72 Drum To Disc Conversion guide

I've completed a detailed disc brake conversion guide for
67-72 Ford trucks. I need volunteers to proof-read it and
to let me know if I missed anything. Also, if someone could
take the documentment and modify it for 61-66 trucks I would
appreciate it. Let me know if you're interested. You'll
get credit for it on the web site.

If anyone wants to write detailed articles on some conversion,
build or upgrade you've done please feel free to submit it
to me (kpayne mindspring.com).

Ken
CoAdmin

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:22:24 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: ADMIN: IRC chat....


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