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fordtrucks61-79-digest Thursday, December 4 1997 Volume 01 : Number 377



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In this issue:

Re: Weird speedo problem [Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)]
Re: Steering gear rebuilders/info ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: cacinfo email requests [Keith Srb ]
Re: Weird speedo problem [Don Grossman ]
Re: Weird speedo problem ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
RE Weird speedo problem ["Hogan, Tom" ]
Grills [am14 chrysler.com]
[Fwd: [Fwd: 66 Ford Ranger]] [travis thiessen ]
Steering wheel ["Hogan, Tom" ]
Re: Site for Vin Checking ["Bill Beyer" ]
Speedo 100mph [am14 chrysler.com]
Re: Steering wheel [danadeb pacbell.net]

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 05:10:41 -0800
From: Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)
Subject: Re: Weird speedo problem

This may not apply to the fancy new trucks such as your '77, but . . .

On my '64, the needle observes similar behavior.
Round speedo, just to add to that thread too!

After several attempts at messing with it, I have realized that the
speedo needle itself has deformed with time and a bend has arisen
in it that allows a portion of the needle to touch the glass face!
Sure officer, I can tell you exactly how fast I was going in the 25MPH
zone! See for yourself, the needle is still pointing at 50 MPH,
oops!

This of course provides a frictional basis for holding the speedo
needle at various locations, not at the max.

Most speedos have a metal cup attached to the speedo
needle with a spring to resist the movement induced by a rotating
magnet spun by the speedo cable. It sounds like the spring
resisting the rotation has come loose or broken allowing the needle
and cup to rotate to the max since there is no spring resistance.
You'll have to dismantle the speedo and become an expert on the
interior workings! If it's broken, a proper spring will have to be
installed, as the spring determines the accuracy, though an
adjustment may be included in the mechanism, don't know.

ssshhh (I learned on a different make of vehicle) sshhhhh so can't
answer definitely on Ford Truck speedos, but speedos function
basically the same.

- - Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab
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Well, I've got a relatively weird problem for those of you
mechanically inclined people out there. The speedo on my 1977 F150
stays
pegged at the max any time except for when I'm at a full stop. Normally
I'd think the speedo cale was messed up, but the odomoter isn't moving
any
faster. :( Am I crazy? Or is my truck just REALLY fast... :) Any help
anybody can give is much appreciated. Next time a cop pulls me over and
asks if I know how fast I 'm going, I can just reply "About 100 mph.: :)
Of course, he might not appreciate the humor. HELP!

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:53:34 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Steering gear rebuilders/info

> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 14:47:18 -0800
> From: Ethan Emeson
> Subject: Steering gear rebuilders/info

> Alternatively, any advice/info on rebuilding the thing myself?
> I've been told there's typically a large brass bushing that needs
> replacing- know of any sources for these?

Manual boxes are fairly easy to rebuild, finding the parts OTOH could
be another story? I've been told that the integral power steering
boxes are tough to get right due to the sensitive nature of the
valving etc. but manuals are pretty easy IMHO.

There are several sits on the web for parts and rebuilt boxes you may
want to check out. I can dig up my saved posts (maybe) if you need
them :-)

Must be gettin senile, can't
think of anything smart to say

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 08:10:52 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: cacinfo email requests

At 09:52 PM 12/2/97 -0500, you wrote:

>-snip-

>

>>FYI, I tried emailing the cacinfo ford.com to request build info for my

>>1980 F250 a couple of months back, and here is the response I received:

>>

>>>Hello XXXXXX,

>>>

>>>We have received your e-mail. At this time we are not equipped to

>>>answer questions via the internet.

>>>

>>>However, please contact our Customer Assistance Center toll-free at

>>>1-800-392-3673 (FORD) or write to us at:

>>>

>>> Ford Motor Company

>>> Customer Assistance Center

>>> 300 Renaissance Center

>>> P.O. Box 43360

>>> Detroit MI 48243

>>>

>>>Thank you for contacting Ford.

>>I was kinda bummed. Maybe they're understaffed. Maybe they're all busy

>>answering questions about why the schmucks in Ford marketing/management

>>won't offer a 4-valve DOHC 5.4L engine or at least an old pushrod 351W in a

>>new Cobra Mustang so it would have a fighting chance going up against a

>>cheesy C*maro or F*rebird that costs $10K less... but I digress.

>>

>>Dave R. (M-block devotee)

>>

>>

>

>I guess I got lucky. I sent mine to them about 6 months ago and

>got a build sheet.

>

>Ken


Maybe they got swamped by all of the list members request's for build sheets?? :)

Keith Srbherbie netvalue.net

Mesa, AZ

1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi
5-Speed.

1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.

1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, Camper Special, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long
Box, Style Side.

1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Model 1100 1bbl carb, Oil Bath Air
Cleaner, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.

My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two
Wheels!"

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 08:41:22 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: Weird speedo problem

What about a bouncing speedo?

It will stay steady after about 50mph or so.
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 12:23:14 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Weird speedo problem

> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 08:41:22 -0800
> From: Don Grossman
> Subject: Re: Weird speedo problem

> What about a bouncing speedo?
>
> It will stay steady after about 50mph or so.

Could be the drum or the cable either one in that case :-)

Must be gettin senile, can't
think of anything smart to say

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:11:17 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE Weird speedo problem

No you are not crazy. The needle and the odometer are driven
differently. The odometer is driven directly from the spedo cable
through a gear train. The needle must be divorced from the speedo cable
otherwise you will see what is happening to you right now. Usually a
magnetic disk is connected to the spedo cable and another disk is
connected to the needle. They are magnetically coupled and this allows
the spedo cable to turn constantly and the needle to remain stationary
at a speed. The faster the cable turns the more force is transferred to
the needle disk. This works against a return spring when the forces
balance the needle will be reading the correct speed. If rust or grit
get between the disks then the needle is mechanically coupled to the
cable and no slippage can occur. The cable overpowers the spring and
the needle will read full scale as soon and the cable makes 3/4
revolution.

You will definately need to open up the instrument cluster. Not
difficult. The speedo cable has a locking connector that you have to
squeeze to remove the rest of it is pretty straight forward. You will
have to remove the bezel that covers from the light switch to the left
of the radio. 2 screws under the radio faceplate 3 or 4 across the top,
1 by the headlight switch. Remove the headlight and wiper switch, and
the radio knobs but not the heater/AC/fan knobs. If you decide to
repair the speedo be careful of the numbers painted on the face. Even
though the paint is 20 years dry it will smudge. If you just decide to
replace it depending on the salvage yard you go to they will probably
not want to sell just the speedo but the whole cluster.

Good luck

Tom H
San Francisco, California
76 F-150 SuperCab 390FE
96 Windstar 200 hp 3.8L (Wife's Hot Rod)

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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 18:50:08 -0800 (PST)
From: "Daniel H. Jenkins"
Subject: Weird speedo problem

Well, I've got a relatively weird problem for those of you
mechanically inclined people out there. The speedo on my 1977 F150
stays
pegged at the max any time except for when I'm at a full stop. Normally
I'd think the speedo cale was messed up, but the odomoter isn't moving
any
faster. :( Am I crazy? Or is my truck just REALLY fast... :) Any help
anybody can give is much appreciated. Next time a cop pulls me over and
asks if I know how fast I 'm going, I can just reply "About 100 mph.: :)
Of course, he might not appreciate the humor. HELP!

- -
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
- -------
Daniel H. JenkinsFood for thought: John Milton
djenkins honors.unr.eduwrote _Paradise_Lost_; When his
Honors Programwife died he wrote _Paradise_
University of Nevada, Reno_Regained_...

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:37:43 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Grills

Tom: I own two (2) '77's. Both have chromed grills. Never saw a
blacked out grill prior to '78. One of the '77's is Custom the other is
Ranger.

>>
So then was the two piece, 6 hole, blacked out grill an all 77 part or
did it depend on trim level??

Azie

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Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 13:08:29 -0600
From: travis thiessen
Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: 66 Ford Ranger]]

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> I've been looking for info. regarding my 1966 Ford Ranger(custom cab).The
> first few serial numbers are F10BC.... (I don't have the rest on me).
> It is Ragoon red, and was equipped with a 300 6cyl. three in a tree.
> The thing that is odd about the truck is that it has bucket seats (like
> the ones in the early Mustangs). It also is carpeted through-out, and
> has a black leather dash. It is a Canadian truck, and has been in our
> family since the late 60's. I would like to know if there are many
> other trucks with these features or if I have something rare.
> Thanks for your time,
>


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   I've been looking for info. regarding my 1966 Ford Ranger(custom cab).The
  first few serial numbers are F10BC.... (I don't have the rest on me).
  It is Ragoon red, and was equipped with a 300 6cyl. three in a tree.
  The thing that is odd about the truck is that it has bucket seats (like
  the ones in the early Mustangs).  It also is carpeted through-out, and
  has a black leather dash.  It is a Canadian truck, and has been in our
  family since the late 60's.  I  would like to know if there are many
  other trucks with these features or if I have something rare.
                                   Thanks for your time,

 

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> I've been looking for info. regarding my 1966 Ford Ranger(custom cab).The
> first few serial numbers are F10BC.... (I don't have the rest on me).
> It is Ragoon red, and was equipped with a 300 6cyl. three in a tree.
> The thing that is odd about the truck is that it has bucket seats (like
> the ones in the early Mustangs). It also is carpeted through-out, and
> has a black leather dash. It is a Canadian truck, and has been in our
> family since the late 60's. I would like to know if there are many
> other trucks with these features or if I have something rare.
> Thanks for your time,
>


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 I've been looking for info. regarding my 1966 Ford Ranger(custom cab).The
first few serial numbers are F10BC.... (I don't have the rest on me).
It is Ragoon red, and was equipped with a 300 6cyl. three in a tree.
The thing that is odd about the truck is that it has bucket seats (like
the ones in the early Mustangs).  It also is carpeted through-out, and
has a black leather dash.  It is a Canadian truck, and has been in our
family since the late 60's.  I  would like to know if there are many
other trucks with these features or if I have something rare.
                                 Thanks for your time,

 

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I've been looking for info. regarding my 1966 Ford Ranger. The
first few serial numbers are F10BC.... (I don't have the rest on me).
It is Ragoon red, and was equipped with a 300 6cyl. three in a tree.
The thing that is odd about the truck is that it has bucket seats (like
the ones in the early Mustangs). It also is carpeted through-out, and
has a black leather dash. It is a Canadian truck, and has been in our
family since the late 60's. I would like to know if there are many
other trucks with these features or if I have something rare.
Thanks for your time,

Travis
Thiessen
please reply to OVR-00255 ovb.net


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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:15:22 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: Steering wheel

Does anyone out there either habe a cruise control compatible steering
wheel that will fit a 76? I thought a 78-79 would work but they changed
those years. Maybe a 73 - 77 is the same. I need the horn button too.
Also if you know of an aftermarket or NOS supplier of steering wheels
that might be compatible with a 76 with cruise I would be interested. I
stated earlier that Grant had something for 78-79 but since those are
different I don't think it will fit. I checked with a Ford dealer here
and I can get the turn signal switch and the horn button but not the
wheel (you don't EVEN want to know what they get for the horn button!!).

I'm still looking. My other alternative is to swap the steering column
I guess but that seems like a lot of expense/work.

TIA

Tom H
San Francisco, California
76 F-150 SuperCab 390FE
96 Windstar 200 hp 3.8L (Wife's Hot Rod)

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:51:03 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: Site for Vin Checking

The URL is:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.medicine.wisc.edu/~mrm/bronco/

It covers 76 thru 80 only.
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> From: shoman p3.net
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Site for Vin Checking
> Date: Tuesday, December 02, 1997 8:48 PM
>
> Looking for the address somone posted about a site you can put in your
> vin and it will decode it...I think it was a members site?
> --
> Joe 1968 F-100 4x4 302 NP435 "Its not pretty but its gets me there"
> 1969 F-250 4x4 390 NP435 "Undecided Future"

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 20:19:41 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Speedo 100mph

Dan: Fast truck you got there!!!!. The needle is supposed to be
"magnetically driven" from a drum containing a small set of magnets.
Yours is probably worn out and dragging, or has picked up some foreign
matter (Trash) and wedged between the needle driven shaft and the drum
driver. Remove the instrument cluster and play around with the
speedo. If all else fails, go to the local wrecking yard and get one
from a like vehicle. If yours has oil gauge and ampmeter, you must get....


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