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fordtrucks61-79-digest Saturday, November 29 1997 Volume 01 : Number 370



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In this issue:

Re: F350 Centurion ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: VIN# Info [Mike Schwall ]
Re: VIN# info [Don Grossman ]
Power Brakes for 66 F100 [Corbin Ford ]
Re: Exempt or not, DMV's reply [GMPACHECO aol.com]
Re: VIN# info [cdkelly juno.com (Christopher D Kelly)]
Re: Exempt or not, DMV's reply [danadeb pacbell.net]
Great pic!! ["Dale and Donna Carmine" ]
Re: VIN# Info, thanks [JVC1968 aol.com]
Re: OD for built 460 [JMiller74 ]
chrome [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: What am I going to do????!! ["MICHAEL FRISCH" ]
Re: Exempt or not, DMV's reply [GMPACHECO ]
Ford Red Book ["MICHAEL FRISCH" ]
Re: VIN# Info, thanks ["MICHAEL FRISCH" ]

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 08:40:03 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: F350 Centurion

> I have seen one as a Ford Dealer near me used to have one...It eats
> suburbans for breakfast! The price was over 45K. Sounds like a good price
> to me!

Just my 2 cents on the Centurion. It is an aftermarket conversion and
having worked at a Ford Dealer that sold them I know they have their share
of problems when it comes to repairs. Sorta like a van conversion. When
(not if) they have weird problems that should be covered by warranty,
everyone starts pointing fingers at each other, the dealer, FoMoCo and the
conversion company. The end result is your truck in the shop for many days
over and over for the same problem.

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:54:12 -0600
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: Re: VIN# Info

At 10:24 PM 11/27/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Here is the information off the door data plate.
> F10ANP00189

Original equipment was:
F10 = F100
A = 240ci I-6cyl 1bbl 150hp
N = Norfolk, VA (Assembly Plant)

Strange. According to the VIN, P00189 says your truck was built in April of
'72

>
>WB131 / COLOR OM / MODEL F101 / BODY 6_4 / TRANS G / AXL
>08


Wheel Base = 131 inches
Model F101 = 4200lb GVW
Trans: C-6 3-speed auto
Axle: 3.5:1

Color: Not sure which code is for interior and exterior, but:
O = Seafoam Green (exterior)
O = Green (interior)

M=Wimbledon White (exterior)
M=Black (interior)

So it's either green inside and white or black outside, or black or white
inside and green outside


A 351 engine was not available as an option in '71. The only engines
available in that year are: 300ci I-6, 302ci V-8, 360ci V-8, and a 390ci V-8.

A 351ci engine was not available in an F series truck until 1977. They
have come in Rancheros since 1971 with a 2bbl (240hp) and 4bbl (285hp).


Are you sure this is a '71? It looks like a '72. According to the color
codes for '72, OM translates to green interior and white exterior.

Look around for a set of numbers like this: 2 D 16, or 1 D 16. - Casting
and Manufacturing date

1 means 1971, 2 means 1972
D means April (A = January, B=Feb., etc)
16 means the day of the month

Looks like the '71 model year exceeded 12 months. That is why it seems
strange.

Mike

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:41:22 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: VIN# info

Barry Price wrote:
>
> What you have is as follows:
> F100 (you already knew that).
> 240 cid 6 cylinder. (150 hp)
> Assembled in January or February of 1971
> Assembled in Twin Cities, MN (or Norfolk VA, the N and P in the serial number
> are throwing me off).
> The O in the color code stands for Sea Foam Green and the M stands for Wimbeldon
> White (is it two tone?).
> The F101 indicates a gross vehicle weight of 4,200 lbs.
> The rear end is a 3.5:1
> The transmission is a C-6 3 speed automatic.
> Not sure what the 6_4 means for the body, this is not listed in my book and not
> sure what the WB131 is either.
> Hope this helps.
>
> Barry Price

131" wheel base. everything else looks good.
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 02:07:16
From: Corbin Ford
Subject: Power Brakes for 66 F100

Having just been given a 66 F100 with 50,000 miles on it, I was hoping the
experts on here can give me
some suggetions on putting power brakes in it. It has a 352 with a 3 speed
standard.What year would be
best for the booster and master cylinder.Since this has the single brake
line from the current master cylinder
what other parts would I need. Since I live in used truck heaven (Alberta
Canada) I have lots of trucks to
chose from at a wrecker.

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 13:42:54 -0500 (EST)
From: GMPACHECO aol.com
Subject: Re: Exempt or not, DMV's reply

Do you know whether I need a smog Cert for a 72?

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 13:52:05 -0500
From: cdkelly juno.com (Christopher D Kelly)
Subject: Re: VIN# info

I can help with the WB...wheel base 131"


On Fri, 28 Nov 1997 04:07:14 -0500 Barry Price
writes:
>What you have is as follows:
>F100 (you already knew that).
>240 cid 6 cylinder. (150 hp)
>Assembled in January or February of 1971
>Assembled in Twin Cities, MN (or Norfolk VA, the N and P in the serial
>number
>are throwing me off).
>The O in the color code stands for Sea Foam Green and the M stands for
>Wimbeldon
>White (is it two tone?).
>The F101 indicates a gross vehicle weight of 4,200 lbs.
>The rear end is a 3.5:1
>The transmission is a C-6 3 speed automatic.
>Not sure what the 6_4 means for the body, this is not listed in my
>book and not
>sure what the WB131 is either.
>Hope this helps.
>
>Barry Price
>
>
>JVC1968 aol.com wrote:
>
>> Here is the information off the door data plate.
>> F10ANP00189
>>
>> WB131 / COLOR OM / MODEL F101 / BODY 6_4 / TRANS G
>/ AXL
>> 08
>>
>> The previous owner said that this truck is a '71 F100 with a 351
>engine. I
>> looked in some service manuals and the 351 was not listed. We are
>gonna
>> restore this truck and would like to know all the information before
>we get
>> started.
>> thanks.
>> Joe
>> JVC1968 aol.com
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:12:47 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Exempt or not, DMV's reply

GMPACHECO aol.com wrote:
>
> Do you know whether I need a smog Cert for a 72?


After January 1 1998 you should be exempt!

Dana

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 17:18:36 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Great pic!!

Saw a picture in yesterday's paper that would make a GREAT ad.
Truck was sitting along the curb bent like a banana!......broken
frame........yep, it was a chevy!

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:37:53 -0500 (EST)
From: JVC1968 aol.com
Subject: Re: VIN# Info, thanks

I would like to thank everybody for their quick response. Especially Mike
who was quite detailed on the decode.
Real quick: To answer Berry Prices question, Yes the truck is two tone.

I do know now that I have a rebuilt wrong motor in my truck and does anybody
know if Sea foam green is more blue in color than green because the color of
my truck is blue with white top.
I will double check the body code on the data plate again.
Again, Thanks to all for the responses.
Joe

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:39:28 EST
From: JMiller74
Subject: Re: OD for built 460

I have seen several cars with a Richmond five speed in them behind blown 460.
They seemed to live okay. The gear ratios may not be ideal for a truck as they
are designed for performance car applications, but they can handle just about
any level of torque you can put out in a street engine, if set up properly.
Super Ford magazine has done several articles on cars featuring this
transmission and 500+ horsepower. Also my 94 model ZF 5 speed has lived behind
600 lb-ft for 70,000 miles.

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:50:03 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: chrome

Well I got brave and pulled the chrome out of the windshield rubber.
The chrome pieces are really well built. Even with some prying from a
screwdriver not even a single ding!

Ken no rust on the chrome! yea! Also I have seen a few 73-up and the windshield
rubber is not as I had thought it was it looks exactly like the 72-down even the
chrome looks the same!

While I had the chrome half off I stepped back and took a look!

The result: No chrome looks better! ( to me! )

Dana


Thanks to all who responded. and to "dad" Deacon for the wisdom!

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:56:10 PST
From: "MICHAEL FRISCH"
Subject: Re: What am I going to do????!!

>> I like the L6 for the torque (going over the Grapevine is a breeze)
>>
>> But would like something a little bit better on gas.
>> Since this is the last year for it to be smoged, and Im not worried
>> about that, I was thinking of a little bit more HP. (A 460? *g*)
>
>I6's in trucks don't do a whole lot better than a properly set up 460
>that I've seen but a properly tuned I6 can certainly be more
>economical in every respect than a 460 or any V8 for that matter by
>some margin at least. In your case the 460 would require some major
>replacements like tranny, drive shafts, xfer case adapters, perhaps
>even the frame engine mount brackets. To make it run economically
>you will need a spread bore carb and intake, wide ratio tranny etc..
>
The 460 was just a joke..;) I know that it woluldnt fit, so I was
wondering what would fit w/ the c4.

>> I can fix it if Im told whats wrong, but to figure out what makes it
>> run so bad, now thats another story.
>
>Unless the power is real important to you, fixing the I6 would be a
>good way to go. Even if you have to get a long block and bolt it in
>is would be economical. Once that's done then address the ignition
>and fuel system problems if any. If you buy a used 460 and tranny
>you will be dealing with these problems anyway :-)
>
>
>-- Gary --

Well it was a simple little (more like lots!!) lose carb. It was
something so simple. But I dont have the experiance to know about all
this...;( Thats why Im here. *g*

Thanks for the input.
dopie
parts chimp by trade





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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 00:06:43 EST
From: GMPACHECO
Subject: Re: Exempt or not, DMV's reply

Its about time ! Tho it did pass with flying colors its just another cost

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 22:10:43 PST
From: "MICHAEL FRISCH"
Subject: Ford Red Book

Hi,

I kinda got the last of the posts about this "Red Book"

What is it?

dopie
parts chimp by trade



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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 22:22:02 PST....

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