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fordtrucks61-79-digest Tuesday, November 25 1997 Volume 01 : Number 366



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In this issue:

RE: F-350 drivetrain (Dana 60) [james oxley ]
460s in F-series 1973-79? [John Strauss ]
Re: Online VIN Decoder [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: Speaking of exhaust stuff! [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: Speaking of exhaust stuff! ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: Online VIN Decoder [Jerry & Lisa ]
Re: Got the Bug and Rear Axles [ccotten entergy.com]
Re: 460 in 73-79 4wd #365 [STCLASSICS aol.com]
Exempt or not, DMV's reply ["deconblu" ]
Re: Online VIN Decoder ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Speaking of exhaust stuff! [Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Re: Speaking of exhaust stuff! [Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Re: Rebuild kits-p/s ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Got the Bug and Rear Axles ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Speaking of exhaust stuff! ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Hedman Torque Slip Headers,AOD ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Speaking of exhaust stuff! [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: Speaking of exhaust stuff! [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: Online VIN Decoder [danadeb pacbell.net]
hi i need some tips to know what i've bought, continued. [Thierry Delattr]
4 bbl on a 302? [Crfreed kktv.com]
Re: 460 in 1983 F-250 [FORDTRKNUT aol.com]

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:35:04 -0800
From: james oxley
Subject: RE: F-350 drivetrain (Dana 60)

Looked at the Dana 60 yesterday.

I borrowed a trailer and drove an hour. I wanted to crack open the
cover to make sure it was 30 spline and see how everything was inside.
The guy says he tried to call me and that he didn't want me opening his
sh*t. I had told him the night before I wanted to do this and he didn't
say anything. So I took my deposit and headed home. What a waste of time.
I found another place that has them for 100$ each, but the guy has no
idea what he has. Has them all in a pile. Guess I'm gettin pretty
edu-macated at this point, so maybe I'll give it a shot.

OX

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:15:52 -0600
From: John Strauss
Subject: 460s in F-series 1973-79?

>Beware of any F-150's with 460's in them. They were an option in the
>extended cab's as I recall but very rare so most you see are
>conversions and I don't think they were offered in the standard cab
>at all??
>
The 460 was an option in F-series 2WD pickups from 1973-79. It even could
be had in an F100 from 1973-1975. After that, you had to get the F150. I
had a friend in high school who's dad had a 1979 F150 Lariat (regular cab,
LWB) with a factory 460/C6 in it. It was never again available in anything
less than an F250 from 1980-on.




_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, _} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 07:16:08 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Online VIN Decoder

Mike Masse wrote:
>
> I've created an online Ford Truck VIN Decoder.

I haven't looked at it yet but what a cool idea!


Dana

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 07:31:03 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Speaking of exhaust stuff!

A welder I use to know (R.I.P.) use to weld galvanized. ;)

I thought about the toxic part. I don't know if normal use would be a problem
but since galvanized muffler pipe is available maybe it is only the people
behind me who would have a problem! ;)

My exhaust system is pretty simple so I probably could get away without welding
or at least only one weld where the stock tail pipe comes out of the manifolds.

My main thought was the tubing bender, which you can rent and use in your
driveway! The cost of the bender, per day, has to be less then paying a muffler
shop to kink up a bunch of pipe.

Dana

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:51:57 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: Speaking of exhaust stuff!

> My exhaust system is pretty simple so I probably could get away without
welding
> or at least only one weld where the stock tail pipe comes out of the
manifolds.
>
> My main thought was the tubing bender, which you can rent and use in your
> driveway! The cost of the bender, per day, has to be less then paying a
muffler
> shop to kink up a bunch of pipe.

Either Summit or Jegs has pre bent galvanized exhaust tubing that you can
buy. It's designed for making your own exhaust, you just buy the straight
stuff then buy whatever radius(s) you need and slap it all together. I've
never tried it but it looks pretty cool.

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:56:07 -0800
From: Jerry & Lisa
Subject: Re: Online VIN Decoder

Hi all, we just used the old VIN decoder there and got an interesting
result. The transmission type that came up on our '77 F150 (G) was one
of those FMX's. We always though it was a C6. I know there was a thread
on the differences between these transmissions, but stupid me didn't pay
attention; after all, I thought a had a C6.

So the question is, how do I tell if my tranny is a C6 or FMX? Thanks in
advance for any help.

Gerald & Lisa
'77 F150 4x4

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 10:38:42 CST
From: ccotten entergy.com
Subject: Re: Got the Bug and Rear Axles

On the subject of 31 -vs- 28 splined axles, I was told by a
previous Ford parts guy, that all posi-track was the 31
spline. Everything else was the 28.

I have a '79 F100 2 wheel drive with no limited slip and it
is 28. Others that I have talked to with a 4x4 '79 has the
31.

Clark


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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:09:12 -0500 (EST)
From: STCLASSICS aol.com
Subject: Re: 460 in 73-79 4wd #365

In 1979 the 460 was offered in the F-250 4wd, but only came with the
automatic transmission. If you wanted the 4-spd., you had to settle for the
351-M or the 400. I know this for a fact because I originally ordered my 79
F-250 4x4 with the 460 but wanted the 4-spd. not the automatic and was told
by FORD ( not the salesman) the Louisville plant manager called me personally
and said that I could get the 460 engine but it only came with the automatic.
Also at the time, my friend had a 79 F-250 with the 460 in it brand-new from
the factory. That's why I wanted the bigger engine plus I special ordered the
truck and wanted the bigger engine to push snow with here in chicago and tow
my trailer. If you read the 79 4-wheeler sales brochure from ford, it shows
the 460 as an optional engine. There probably were'nt too many produced with
the 460 because of the gas mileage and mileage & gas prices were a big deal
back in 79 but they were available anyway. I consider myself sort of an
expert on these trucks as I've worked for ford for many years and own a 79
4x4 that I bought new, plus I now have my own business and sell obsolete
parts for these trucks and all other ford vehicles too. Kenny / Street
Classics Co.

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:21:29 -0800
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Exempt or not, DMV's reply

And people think the DMV isn't on the cutting edge.
Recap: I have a '73 Ford F100 and I received my registration renewal in
the mail. It's due 1/31/98 and it requires a smog cert.
I called the DMV this morning and was told if I pay my renewal before
Jan 1st I will need to have my smog cert but if I wait until after Jan 1st I
don't need one.
Once again, life has been made a little better in the Peoples Democratic
Republic of California


Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:33:29 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Online VIN Decoder

> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:56:07 -0800
> From: Jerry & Lisa
> Subject: Re: Online VIN Decoder

> F150 (G) was one of those FMX's. We always though it was a C6. I
> know there was a thread on the differences between these
> transmissions, but stupid me didn't pay attention; after all, I
> thought a had a C6.

I think the FMX was used primarily on the FE engines but c-6's go all
the way back to 75 for sure and probably further. My 75 van had one.
Pretty sure the 70 460 was hooked to the c-6 as well, not sure now?



I know where compressors get their air, it gets
sucked out of the NEIGHBOR'S electric lines :-)

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:52:06 -0500
From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Subject: Re: Speaking of exhaust stuff!

Conduit won't hold up...its not treated inside (EMT) it will rust out
quickly..I've tried it before!! if your talking about the real
galvanized stuff, you'll be putting alot of weight on your vehicle, it
weighs about 25lbs per 10 feet.

Brian

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:07:58 -0500
From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Subject: Re: Speaking of exhaust stuff!

I worked for an electrical contractor for 10 years and used a greenlee
hydraulic bender many times...problem is you can't get a short radius to
the bend, the pipe will split first of all, because conduit it
seamed...if you look inside it, you'll see the seam. 2nd....the bending
shoes don't come in a small radius either, when you pull wire through
the bend you want it long and smooth to make the pull easier...

Did make some funky bumpers and brush guards though !!!

Brian

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:50:34 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Rebuild kits-p/s

> From: "mei home.com"
> Subject: Rebuild kits-p/s
> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 17:16:08 -0000

> What do you need it for I am one of those parts chimps and I can get
> a hold of just about anything I know we have the p/s pump rebuild
> kits and I think the we have the gear box kits available too.
> Nobody buys them which is why nobody makes them. tim

Don't need it now but I've tried a few different times to get these
parts and was told they couldn't get them at auto parts. I never
tried to get them from Ford as I recall. This all came about when I
thought I had a twisted sector shaft but it turns out it's OK :-)

I do have the seal kit tho :-)

I know where compressors get their air, it gets
sucked out of the NEIGHBOR'S electric lines :-)

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:37:27 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Got the Bug and Rear Axles

> From: ccotten entergy.com
> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 10:38:42 CST
> Subject: Re: Got the Bug and Rear Axles

> On the subject of 31 -vs- 28 splined axles, I was told by a
> previous Ford parts guy, that all posi-track was the 31 spline.
> Everything else was the 28.
>
> I have a '79 F100 2 wheel drive with no limited slip and it is
> 28. Others that I have talked to with a 4x4 '79 has the 31.

Not always true. My 75 van had posi and 28 spline, my 78 2wd has
31's as does my 78 bronco without posi (darn it!). I believe
somewhere around 78 ford put the 31's in all the pickups and broncos
but cars and maybe vans used the 28's. You can get a posi with
either spline AFAIK.

I know where compressors get their air, it gets
sucked out of the NEIGHBOR'S electric lines :-)

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:26:57 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Speaking of exhaust stuff!

> From: danadeb pacbell.net
> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 07:31:03 -0800
> Subject: Re: Speaking of exhaust stuff!

> A welder I use to know (R.I.P.) use to weld galvanized. ;)
>
> I thought about the toxic part. I don't know if normal use would be
> a problem but since galvanized muffler pipe is available maybe it is
> only the people behind me who would have a problem! ;)

I've welded a lot of galvanized pipe and the biggest problem you will
have is cleaning the joint well enough to make a good weld. The Zink
oxidizes very readily and if I'm not mistaken creates such things as
free clorine from other materials in the air etc along with certain
toxic Oxides but if you take some small precautions to keep the smoke
out of your face I don't see the problem??

The thinner the steel the more difficult it is to weld especially
when you have foreign matter popping and sputtering and blowing the
metal around.

You shouldn't have to weld on it anyway if you design it right,
should you?? Even the balance tube can be installed without welding
with "T"'s.

I know where compressors get their air, it gets
sucked out of the NEIGHBOR'S electric lines :-)

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:14:54 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Hedman Torque Slip Headers,AOD

> From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
> Subject: Re: Hedman Torque Slip Headers
> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:27:35 -0600

> I picked up the December issue of PHR because someone here had
> mentioned the AOD article. Well, that article was ok, I think that
> I finally understand the "you have to use the stock carb or you'll
> burn up your AOD" myth. But what I really found interesting was the

Talked to a tranny repair shop and was told that the reason isn't an
adjustment but the length of the lever the kick down in attached to
and how it interfaces with the throttle. On the AOD it's not really
a kick down but a throttle position sensor which works at all rpm.
It has to be solidly connected to and operate one for one with the
throttle with exactly the right length from throttle shaft to kick
down tube pin and on the non electronic AOD's works with other
sensors like vacuum and governor to control the shifts. If it isn't
timed right due to incorrect length or improperly controlled by the
throttle the sensors will conflict causing delayed or early shifts or
widen the window for the shifts so it doesn't lock into gear solidly
etc..

Technically, I suppose you could measure the length and duplicate it
in a carb and make it work but I can't be sure about that :-)


I know where compressors get their air, it gets
sucked out of the NEIGHBOR'S electric lines :-)

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:46:31 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Speaking of exhaust stuff!

Brian & Jacque Milbrandt wrote:
>
> Conduit won't hold up...its not treated inside (EMT) it will rust out
> quickly..I've tried it before!!

EMT is what I was thinking of!

Thanks for the advice!

I still might try the tubing bender.

Dana

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:52:32 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Speaking of exhaust stuff!

Brian & Jacque Milbrandt wrote:
>...problem is you can't get a short radius.

Long radiuses seem like they would flow better? (yes/no) If I have room!

Dana

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:58:20 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Online VIN Decoder

Seen if a magnet will stick to the case of the trans.

If so FMX (cast iron)

If not C6 or C4

C4= detachable bell housing and square pan.
C6= integrated bell housing and square with notch out of one corner pan.

I am going on memory here so if I am wrong please let me know.

Dana

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:55:04 -0500
From: Thierry Delattre
Subject: hi i need some tips to know what i've bought, continued.

Thank you for all folks givin' tips about the engine identification.

Finally it's a 302 (according to the numbers left on the valve
cover and the parts guy at the local FORD dealer)...

But just to continue the overall truck id, i'll throw in the numbers
i've found
at many different places on the truck (except where they should be)

On the rear of the door and on the door post there isn't any VIN.. on
the door there are two hole so i imagine it's not the original door or
the original VIN whas removed...

I have to say that according to the papers i have, the truck was
inspected by
the immatriculation bureau 2 years ago and they putted ind they're VIN
which reads:

F104GA85230

in the engine compartement attached on the cab in the center there was
this bunch of numbers:

ROT 3678 Z 82
W 1HA LONG
F10 BJ5169 4B R

on the valve cover we can read:

G366AA C80
5 566B R0
S25

and on the automatic tranny:

PGD AC8 L24
D9 UP BB 042613

on the carb:

AS2
EOTE DA

So if someone can tell me how to put all those numbers together...

On the engine, the ID tag was obviously removed...
The drive axle seems to be a DANA (i assume this because the filler plug
is on the back plate).
It would be kind if someone tells me how to identify this part too.

You have to understand that the truck is in pretty bad shape and there's
oil and grease everywhere.

I plan to change the front and the rear main oil seal all the gaskets
and change the piston rings but keep the engine stock. I'll also do the
head job (seals and springs...)

Anoter problem wich needs advice, the brake pedal doesn't come back and
all the fluids level are
cheked??? Can it be a booster problem??? Master cylinder problem????

But i have the winter to think about it, it begins to be cold here in
Quebec, Canada and the snow as arrived.


Thank you very Much!!!

Thierry Delattre
thierry hybride.com

My web site is www3.sympatico.ca/mjtd
It's mostly in french but my Ford page is bilingual

F100 Wanna be on the road again...

Thierry Delattre
thierry hybride.com
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Date: 24 Nov 1997 20:38:50 -0700
From: Crfreed kktv.com
Subject: 4 bbl on a 302?

Hello,

I've got a 68 Bronco with a '73 302 transplant (2bbl version) that I'm
thinking about putting a 4-bbl carb and intake on. This motor was
completely rebuilt less than a year ago, and the current carb is a tired
2bbl Autolite that needs replacing (has a crack in the base). Heads are
original and unported, but were cleaned and re-ground during rebuild. I
found a used 4bbl Edelbrock intake that will fit, and am thinking of
getting around a 500cfm Edelbrok carb. (thats about as small as I've
found in a 4bbl)

Will this work with what I've got? I'd like the added hp, but not if
its just going to drown the motor.....


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