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fordtrucks61-79-digest Monday, November 24 1997 Volume 01 : Number 365



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In this issue:

Swapmeet Blues ["deconblu" ]
Re: ooops [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: ooops ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: Speaking of exhaust stuff! ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: 460 in 73-79 4x4 pickups [FORDTRKNUT aol.com]
Neat places that might be of interest for parts.... [FORDTRKNUT aol.com]
Re: 460 in 73-79 4x4 pickups ["Bill Beyer" ]
Rebuild kits-p/s ["mei home.com" ]
Steering Boxes ["Dave Walbeck" ]
Re: Speaking of exhaust stuff! [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: ooops [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: Speaking of exhaust stuff! ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: Speaking of exhaust stuff! [silent.bob juno.com]
Re: Speaking of exhaust stuff! ["Brett McCoy" ]
Re: Hedman Torque Slip Headers ["Dale and Donna Carmine"
Online VIN Decoder ["Mike Masse" ]
exhaust tubing ["mei home.com" ]

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 08:46:38 -0800
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Swapmeet Blues

I can't believe this is happening today. My In-laws moved to Kansas a
few years ago and rented their house out here. Apparently their renters are
being asked to leave for reasons that are non of my business. :) anyway I
got a phone call this morning that the renters are trying to remove a
bathtub they had installed. I tried to talk to them over the phone
explaining to them that they can't take it. I guess it's an expensive tub
with a waterfall Jacuzzi. They remodeled the bathroom for it on their own.
Anyway now I have to go over there with the Police and I wont be able to get
to the swapmeet. The worst thing is it's to late to let the people I was
going to meet there know I can go.
Sorry for the lack of Ford truck content but I wanted to let the people
know why I wasn't there. I will no doubt be there until late tonight taking
care of this.
If I don't post for a few days you'll know I shouldn't have been in the
same place as the Police. I don't know why but they always want me to spend
some quality time with them. :)
Wish me luck!


Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:12:07 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: ooops

Hey bro, I'm late getting off to Kennys this morning and Im spinning
around here trying to pack some food in my face, get my socks on, and
find my truck keys all at once. No time for proper reply right now,
but as far as the art site goes... HELL YES!!! and much thanks!

Will talk at You later this evening about it...

Love You brother,


Steve Delanty



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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 13:23:57 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: ooops

Well at least it has the word "truck" in it!

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> From: sdelanty sonic.net
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: ooops
> Date: Sunday, November 23, 1997 9:12 AM
>
>
> Hey bro, I'm late getting off to Kennys this morning and Im spinning
> around here trying to pack some food in my face, get my socks on, and
> find my truck keys all at once. No time for proper reply right now,
> but as far as the art site goes... HELL YES!!! and much thanks!
>
> Will talk at You later this evening about it...
>
> Love You brother,
>
>
> Steve Delanty

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 13:25:22 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: Speaking of exhaust stuff!

> Has anyone used electrical conduit for exhaust tubing. I saw an
electrician
> using a rented hydraulic tubing bender bend 2" conduit and the curves
were
> perfect. I thought that the galvanized tubing might last longer then
muffler
> tubing.
>
> What do you all think?
>
> Dana

Why not just use galvanizied exhaust tubing?

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:22:40 -0500 (EST)
From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
Subject: Re: 460 in 73-79 4x4 pickups

I am 99.9% sure that the 460 never came in (4 wheel drive versions) of the
1973-1979 pickups from Ford. I know of an engineer that used to work in
Detroit as a drive train designer (so he tells me). He said that Ford never
made a 4x4 with the 460 until around 1984. The guy who owns Washington Auto
Salvage (in Washington, New Jersey...# 1-908-689-0013) used to assemble these
trucks at the Mahwah, New Jersey Ford plant when they were being assembled.
He said the same thing...2-wheel drive---YES, but the 4-wheel drive---NO. I
have seen about 20-25 of the 2-wheel drive trucks in my life with the
460......no 4-wheel drive. If you can L&L in Texas they will tell you the
same thing. I hope I did not ruffle any feathers!!!! I do not mean to come
off as a "know-it-all", but I have done research into this subject and they
simply do not exist. Hope this helps out!!

Wayne Grabley
1979 Ranger XLT Bronco (4" suspension, 3" body, 38" boggers)
1979 F-350 Ranger Lariet 4x4 (466 CID..soon to have 44" boggers!!!)

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:34:46 -0500 (EST)
From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
Subject: Neat places that might be of interest for parts....

Washington Auto Salvage
"Lots of Ford Trucks"
Light trucks, Vans, & 4x4's
Route 57, Washington, NJ 07882
1-908-689-0013
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Gallagher Truck Sales 2
"Lots of Ford Trucks"
Hazleton, PA 18201
1-717-384-3211
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Texas American Enterprises
"Cabs, boxes, & sheet metal"
Springtown, TX
1-817-523-6962
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Pickup Parts Of The Past
"Western cabs-boxes-sheet metal"
New Berlin, NY
1-607-847-9325
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Storage Farm Truck Recyclers
"Ford trucks 1973 & newer"
Dover, PA
1-717-292-2594
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Pauls Auto Body
1-717-421-2272
Note: Has NOS 1979 Ford pickup cab on 2-wheel drive stepside frame with 428
"FE" motor with all the high performance goodies...all for $6000.00 bucks!!!!

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:53:17 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: 460 in 73-79 4x4 pickups

I read an article Petersen's 4WOR magazine agrees with you. The biggest
motor that came in the 73-79 4x4s is a 400 cid which, I might add, is a
mighty fine motor! However I have a friend with an 83 F250 4x4 with a stock
460 cid so maybe it was a little earlier than you were told.

> I am 99.9% sure that the 460 never came in (4 wheel drive versions) of
the
> 1973-1979 pickups from Ford. I know of an engineer that used to work in
> Detroit as a drive train designer (so he tells me). He said that Ford
never
> made a 4x4 with the 460 until around 1984.

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 17:16:08 -0000
From: "mei home.com"
Subject: Rebuild kits-p/s

What do you need it for I am one of those parts chimps and I can get a hold
of just about anything I know we have the p/s pump rebuild kits and I think
the we have the gear box kits available too. Nobody buys them which is why
nobody makes them.
tim


> since then my motto has been if "I can't buy it new I'll rebuild it
> myself." Besides what better excuse is there to buy more TOOLS! ;-)

If someone out there (maybe God?) knows where you can get the old
fashioned complete rebuild kits for power steering boxes let us
know?!?! Every parts house I called said the same thing: "these
boxes are so hard to get right even the rebuilders don't want to do
it, so they charge more to make up for warrantees and they don't sell
enough of the kits so they dropped them"

All I've been able to get is the gasket kits :-(

I know where compressors get their air, it gets
sucked out of the NEIGHBOR'S electric lines :-)

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 17:27:40 PST
From: "Dave Walbeck"
Subject: Steering Boxes

I know this is probably a no no, but does anyone need a power steering
box for a 77 1/2 to 79 F-250?
I have 2 for sale at 200.00 a piece (that's what I paid for them) they
have a lot of adjustment left, but no pitman arms.
I bought them to try to do a conversion on my 73 F-250 but the 2wd box
is a much easier setup and there was no hacking up the frame to make it
fit.
Please Email me privately if interested.
Dave Complete and total FORDNUT

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 17:36:43 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Speaking of exhaust stuff!

Bill Beyer wrote:

> Why not just use galvanizied exhaust tubing?


Didn't realize there was such a thing and I think that the electrical conduit is
thicker. Not sure!

Dana

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:22:03 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: ooops

Well, that last message sure as hell got sent to the wrong address!
Just a little too much coffee this morning.

Sorry folks... (-:

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty



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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:32:31 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: Speaking of exhaust stuff!

> > Why not just use galvanizied exhaust tubing?
>
>
> Didn't realize there was such a thing and I think that the electrical
conduit is
> thicker. Not sure!
>
> Dana

I know that galvanized exhaust tubing is available but I don't know how
thick it is in caparison to conduit. Conduit probably is thicker but it
probably is quite a bit pricier. Galvanized exhaust tubing is a lower cost
alternative to stainless steel.

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:39:04 -0600
From: silent.bob juno.com
Subject: Re: Speaking of exhaust stuff!

On Sat, 22 Nov 1997 23:07:39 -0800 danadeb pacbell.net writes:
>Has anyone used electrical conduit for exhaust tubing. I saw an
>electrician
>using a rented hydraulic tubing bender bend 2" conduit and the curves
>were
>perfect. I thought that the galvanized tubing might last longer then
>muffler
>tubing.
>
>What do you all think?
>
>Dana


It might last longer, but it sure sounds like it would be very
restrictive.

*Bob*

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 21:18:38 -0600
From: "Brett McCoy"
Subject: Re: Speaking of exhaust stuff!

I thought about this myself a few times. However, one time I recall someone
telling me that you can not weld galvanized metal safely because it gives
off toxic fumes. If this is the case the exhaust system may get hot enough
in some places to give off some of these fumes. I would check into the
safety issue before giving it a try.

However, an electrical coduit bender may work on standard exhaust tubing.
they are about the same thickness when you get to the 2"-3" size. If anyone
has done this let us know.

- -B




muffler




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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:27:35 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Re: Hedman Torque Slip Headers

Hi List,

I picked up the December issue of PHR because someone here had mentioned the
AOD article. Well, that article was ok, I think that I finally understand
the "you have to use the stock carb or you'll burn up your AOD" myth. But
what I really found interesting was the new torque slip headers from Hedman.
Hedman has a new header design out that uses a stepped primary tube. The
tube starts out at the head and then transitions to a larger diameter at
what appears to be 6-8" down the tube. The rest of the header appears to be
of normal design and fairly short in both tube and collector length.
Hedman claims a torque boost in the 2800-3200 and 3600-4000rpm range on a
chevy 350. They don't quantify the increase or say if it is compared stock
manifolds or standard header design.

What da ya think guys? are they selling snake oil?

I once swore that I would never install another set of headers on a street
driven vehicle. In fact I recently told Dave R. that headers were a pain in
the butt and I would never put them on an engine unless I was trying to
build power above 4000rpm.
After my experience with my '73 Trans AM w/455SD and the appliance 'headers
from hell' I didn't want any part of them. The collectors dragged on every
speed bump, changing gaskets was a twice a year thrash, and some of the bolt
heads interfered with the primary tubes. Of course the one that fit the
worst was under the A/C compressor. :-( .

..........but, that was all a long time ago.........and if this torque slip
thing can really deliver some useable street torque.......well then, I might
have to reconsider.
Has anyone heard any feedback about these torque slip headers?
TIA

later,
Dale Carmine
'79 F-150 351M
York, Nebraska

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:02:33 CST
From: "Mike Masse"
Subject: Online VIN Decoder

I've created an online Ford Truck VIN Decoder. Right now it only works
for years 76 through 80, but I plan on adding more data as I get time.
It'll tell you nifty things like engine type, tranny type, etc... If
you want to try it out go to: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.medicine.wisc.edu/~mrm/bronco
and let me know if it works for you. BTW - Axle identification
doesn't work yet.

Mike Masse
'78 Bronco Custom
351M / C6 / NP205

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.medicine.wisc.edu/~mrm/bronco
email:mrm medicine.wisc.edu
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