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fordtrucks61-79-digest Tuesday, November 18 1997 Volume 01 : Number 357



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In this issue:

RE: Sudden loss of oil pressure [DC Beatty ]
Re: 390 and duraspark ["MICHAEL FRISCH" ]
Re: Pomona Swap Meet ["MICHAEL FRISCH" ]
KACC CAR CLUB INFO [A64F100 aol.com]
Re: the dead and a flat tire ["George Shepherd" ]
Fwd: KACC CAR CLUB INFO [A64F100 aol.com]
Re: Hear, hear...misc ford ramblings..... [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: 69 f250 question/74 frame? [Don Grossman ]
Re: 390 and duraspark [Don Grossman ]
64 f-100 master cylinder [garchap webtv.net (Gary Chapman)]
Re: 390 and duraspark [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: 351M trouble [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: Kingpin and misc. [Brian & Jacque Milbrandt ]

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:06:37 -0500
From: DC Beatty
Subject: RE: Sudden loss of oil pressure

So Gary, exactly how does a windage tray alleviate this? I have read that=

installing one of these is cheap and easy horsepower. Any experience?

Still looking for DSO# help,

DC Beatty
1967 F100 352
1974 Maverick 302

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Subject: RE: Sudden loss of oil pressure


> From: Sleddog
> Subject: RE: Sudden loss of oil pressure
> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:22:45 -0500

> i thought it was for economy (gas mileage) as the thinner oil robs
> less HP.

That may be true but I doubt if you could measure the HP differnece. =

What does rob HP is windage. I've had people tell me they saw a =

video of a 460 at high rpm through a glass port in the crank case and =

the the oil looked like a horizontal hurricane wrapped around the =

crank with almost none in the pan. This phenomena does two things, =

robs the engine of the oil's cooling effects and risks cavitating the =

pump and thus the bearings as well as adding rotating mass to the =

crank.

It's the oil film STRENGTH which actually protects the engine not =

it's thickness and if it doesn't get there because it's too thick it =

can't protect the parts or cool them.

If you build a high rpm engine whch will mostly see high rpm the =

tolerances are different to allow for heat expansion of parts but =

mostly to allow the use of the high volume oil pump for better =

cooling. I believe this is also the primary reason they use larger =

oil pans. It ensures the pump won't cavitate due to windage and =

helps with cooling.


Is a 4 wheeler really a 4 wheeler
with no oil in the front end?

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:33:48 PST
From: "MICHAEL FRISCH"
Subject: Re: 390 and duraspark

>
>Well being an owner of a FE engine finally I was wondering where
>can I get Duraspark for a 390???Can a donor 360 work???Any other
>engines that will work????I assume its wired the same way as the small
block i just did?
>
>--
>Joe 1968 F-100 4x4 302 NP435 "Its not pretty but its gets me there"

How about a Duraspark for a ol L6 300?

dopie
parts chimp by trade

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:41:12 PST
From: "MICHAEL FRISCH"
Subject: Re: Pomona Swap Meet

>> >>Wanted to let everyone know that the Pomona Swap Meet, at the
>> >>Los Angeles County Fair Grounds in Pomona, is this Sunday
>> >>the 23rd of November.
>> >>
>> >>Its every 6 Sundays. But have not seen a date for January.
>> >>Ill post the Info. number on Monday.
>> >>
>> >>dopie
>> >
>> >Great! If other members are going, perhaps we can meet. Does anyone
>> want to
>> >pick a place we can meet at?
>> >
>> >
>> >Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
>>
>> Deacon,
>>
>> Sounds great!!
>> Pick a time? (about 8:30 I gota drive from West Hills in the Valley)
>> Place? Umm how about the main ticket gate?
>
>I have to go to the swap meet also to pick up some 429 heads for
someone
>else on the list. The gentleman is bringing them up from San Diego. I
can
>also meet you guys there at the main entrance.
>
>Thanks
>John MacNamara
>
>78 F250 4X4 Supercab
>67 GT500
>66 Corvette
>
>>
>>
>> dopie
>> parts chimp by trade

Anyone else wana join in?

Is time and place good for everyone?

dopie
parts chimp by trade

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:58:40 -0500 (EST)
From: A64F100 aol.com
Subject: KACC CAR CLUB INFO

check this out by this link
KACC PAGE
or go to http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/A64F100/KACC.html

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:01:08 -0600
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: the dead and a flat tire

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> From: Sleddog
> To: 'fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net'
> Subject: the dead and a flat tire
> Date: Monday, November 17, 1997 8:29 AM
>
>
>
> and the question - i don't know how but...
>
> i got a flat tire - my 33" bfg mud is sitting on the rim. any idea how
to
> find the leak in a 33" tire? i don't have a tub big enough to sink it and

> if i use the bath tub the ! #$ will hit fan.

Air it up and soap it with a real soap rich solution--it should blow
bubbles when you soap the area with the hole.


>
> sleddog
> >
> >P.S.
> >
> >which is your new hobby:
> >
> >Song lyrics or stating the obvious ;)
>
> Truckin', like the do-dah man
> Once told me "Gotta play your hand.
> Sometimes your cards ain't worth a dime
> If you don't lay'em down."
>
> Sometimes the light's all shinin' on me.
> Other times I can barely see.
> Lately it occurs to me
> What a long, strange trip it's been.
>
> Is there a limit on how many one has? ;)
>
>
> Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
> ================================================
> Visit The Deacon Blues Homepage
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> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dragonfire.net/~site/tbirdknights/
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:35:09 -0500 (EST)
From: A64F100 aol.com
Subject: Fwd: KACC CAR CLUB INFO

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check this out by this link
KACC PAGE
or go to http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/A64F100/KACC.html

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:53:22 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: Hear, hear...misc ford ramblings.....


> I've got the stock ford electronic system but how do
>I tell this from the dura-spark? I know the dura-spark cap is of a larger
>two piece design with the posts placed farther apart but what about the
>rest. I've got the small cap with breakerless ignition. Is it the same as
>dura-spark but without the improved cap design?

You've got the duraspark goods already. 75-76 were the only 2 years for
d-spark in the FE. The big cap stuff will fit right on to Your distributor.
It's pretty hard to find FE d-spark parts at the wreckers, but never fear,
the big cap, rotor, and adapter from a 302-351 is the same and they are
plentiful. Don't forget to grab the plug wires too, cuz they are different
than small cap wires.

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty



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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:12:45 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: 69 f250 question/74 frame?

shoman p3.net wrote:
>
> Well folks,
> i just bought the 69 f250 4x4 that i posted i was going to part out
> well I have a few questions...The frame is a 74 with a 69 Body on it..
> my questions start with 1)while reading the red book on f-series they
> say the 73 -up trucks have a longer/wider frame???But the body mounted
> fine??Is this true???

The body mounts from 65 (2x) through 79 all mount in the same location.
Some of the 65 4x4's used the earier cab and frame.
> The body is a 70 camper special with dual tanks
> but it is missing the tank for under the bed..Hard to find???

Shouldn't be.

> 2)the drive train is a 390 with a 4speed???But it also has a divorced
> transfer case..When did the t-case move or is it like this on all
> big blocks????
This wasn't really a big block thing. Up until the late 60's all the
trucks had divorced transfer cases. Ford went to the married t-case in
the F100 and 150's. The F250 stayed with the Spicer 24 and then went to
the NP205 and 203. It is possible to find a Ford 205 in married and
divorce style to fit your needs. It might have been around 76 or 77
that Ford used only the married t-case.

> 3)Would it be better to build my 68 f100 or build a f-250
> with my 68 body(pretty rust free)

If you have a need for a 3/4 ton truck you could do a cab swap. The
only real benifits would be the 2 speed transfer case if your F-100
didn't already have one and the Dana 60 rear. The front Dana 44 should
be mostly identical as far as internal parts, only the hubs and brakes
would be bigger and the R&P might be a different ratio.

To swap the cab you will need some really big guys (2 fork-lifts work
great!), remove the six cab bolts, remove the radiator, disconnect the
ebrake cable and unplug the wiring harnes, remove the master cylinder
from the firewall, pop off the shift handle for the transmission, and
unbolt the steering shaft from the steering box and LIFT! If you have
an in cab tank disconnect that too.

This sounds like a lot of work but it is not that hard to do. Winter
time might not be the best if you don't have a good garage or shop to
work in.

I put a 65 cab on a 77 chassis and the two fork-lifts worked great. We
left the hood and fenders on and everything.

> 4)I would like to keep the ford blue
> torch away if possible and make this a running truck But the
> cab and fenders are trash...The bed and tailgate only have surface
> rust..is the camper special bed hard to find ,due to the fuel neck???

A clean bed in your area might be hard to find.

> I havent climbed around the truck much since its cold and dark by 5pm est
> Would like some response from anybody and everybody....
>
> --
> Joe 1968 F-100 4x4 302 NP435 "Its not pretty but its gets me there"
> 1969 F-250 4x4 390 ????? "Undecided Future"

Any more questions
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:15:26 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: 390 and duraspark

shoman p3.net wrote:
>
> Well being an owner of a FE engine finally I was wondering where
> can I get Duraspark for a 390???Can a donor 360 work???Any other
> engines that will work????I assume its wired the same way as the small
> block i just did?

Junkyard. Yep, Nope only FE series, and Yep

> --
> Joe 1968 F-100 4x4 302 NP435 "Its not pretty but its gets me there"

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:29:28 -0600
From: garchap webtv.net (Gary Chapman)
Subject: 64 f-100 master cylinder

hey guys can anybody tell me what year dual resorvoir mastercylinder
will replace the stock sigle resorvoir on my 64 F-100 ?I am not using a
power booster ,but do have disc brakes on the front. P.S For all the
460 owners with there intake manifold problems spend the extra money buy
a holman-moody intake great performance perfect fit!

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:48:54 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: 390 and duraspark

>Well being an owner of a FE engine finally I was wondering where
>can I get Duraspark for a 390???Can a donor 360 work???

'75-'76 FE's. 360 or 390...
Wrecking yard one's are tough to come by for FE, but You can buy
rebuilts at the parts house for
a core if You don't have one. The place I got mine from was willing
to take a 302 d-spark for the core, and 302 ones are easy to get at
the wreckers... The big cap, adapter, rotor and wires from
a 302 d-spark fit FE real nice. (-:

>Any other
>engines that will work????

No. The distributor body for FE is different than all others.
The electronics is the same for all, also the V8 big cap and rotor
seems to fit all.

>I assume its wired the same way as the small
>block i just did?

Yes, it wires up the same as all others.


Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty



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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:48:51 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: 351M trouble

>It is present at different times, and
>different engine speeds. Most consistently it appears at cruise speed
>(moderate engine load) and goes away or diminishes either under power or at
>coast.

Hmmm, it's hard to diagnose noises via keyboard, but this is a classic
early rod knock noise. Worst when the motor is hot (and oil is thin)
and usually first rears it's ugly head under moderate RPM (1500-3K) and
under very light load conditions.
Under load, either acceleration or deceleration it goes away... for now.

What's Your hot oil pressure like?

I've heard timing chains that made a very "rod knock" like sound before
also, but it usually doesn't change much with load, only with RPM.

Uh, good luck, hope it's something else...


Steve Delanty



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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:41:39 -0500
From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Subject: Re: Kingpin and misc.

Mike & Evan wrote:
>
> Thanks to everyone who gave me some insight on my problems!
>
> I will try tearing it apart this weekend and I'm sure I will run into
> problems, this being my first time at this, and will surely have more
> questions.
>
> One more question: What would the advantage of a NP205 vs. a NP203 with
> the part time conversion and lockouts be? Someone mentioned a lower low
> range, anything else? What is the going rate for a used one? Is it a
> easy swap?
>
> Thanks again!!
>
> Mike Vonhof
> yasky netins.net
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