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fordtrucks61-79-digest Thursday, November 6 1997 Volume 01 : Number 338



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In this issue:

Re: 351 ?"M"? [dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)]
Engine ID ["Michael Redden" ]
Frustrating [JonP27604 aol.com]
Pressure [am14 chrysler.com]
Re: What do ya'll think of the window stickers? [Pengy67 aol.com]
Re: '75 FE360 2V Horse Power? [Keith Srb ]
Re: My baby's wreck.... [Keith Srb ]
Re: 351M Power >400+ 10:1? ["woody" ]
Re: 351 ?"M"? [silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)]
Re: My baby's wreck.... [silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)]
Cooling the compressed air [am14 chrysler.com]
'59 w/429 [am14 chrysler.com]
Re: 203 Part Time Conversion [Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Re: 335 Series Engines ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: 351M Power? [Don Grossman ]
400 small block [am14 chrysler.com]
Re: '59 w/429 [Don Grossman ]
351M [am14 chrysler.com]
Re: Engine ID [Brian & Jacque Milbrandt ]
RE: RE It's a York [pharrell bae.uga.edu (Graphics & Research Fabrication]
Re: 351 "M"? [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: Twin I Beam Caster&Camber [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: It's a York [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: What am I doing on line at 12:15 am ? [sdelanty sonic.net]
RE: HEP ME HEP ME?!?!? [Sleddog ]
RE: 351M Power >400+ 10:1? [Sleddog ]
RE: My baby's wreck.... [Sleddog ]
RE: '59 w/429 [Sleddog ]

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 17:05:00 -0500
From: dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)
Subject: Re: 351 ?"M"?

- -> 400 M is modified from 302 C specs.
- -> 351 M is 400 M, destroked to 351 with a Windsor crank.

The 400 (Ford does not refer to it as a 400M) is a Cleveland variant.
Though it shares the same bore centers and (2V) cylinder heads, it has a
taller block, longer rods, and larger main bearings.

The 351 Modified is a 400 with a destroked crank and different pistons.


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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 07:58:00 -0500
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: Engine ID

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Hi Folks!

Thanks for the suggestions about my rusty box: I think I have one =
coming from TX (the rust free state) that I can trade for. My other =
question is this: My engine ID tag is defaced (on the valve cover).
Can someone ID the codes for me from the door plate? I sure would =
appreciate it! =20

F25BEJ82950

131 T F250 5 4 G 24

07500 135 3500 13

I know some of the codes (like wheelbase and gross weight) from other =
postings. I'm not sure what my engine is (302 V8 ?). It is a '71 F-250 =
Heavy Duty.

Also, anybody have (or know someone) with grill parts to sell me? All =
the trucks around here have the same parts broken! I believe "70 and =
'71 are the same (?)>

Thanks!

Mike

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Hi Folks!
 
Thanks for the suggestions about my =
rusty=20
box:  I think I have one coming from TX (the rust free state) that =
I can=20
trade for.  My other question is this:  My engine ID tag is =
defaced=20
(on the valve cover).
Can someone ID the codes for me from =
the door=20
plate?  I sure would appreciate it! 
 
F25BEJ82950
 
131  T  F250  5  =
4  G=20
24
 
07500    =
135  =20
3500   13
 
I know some of the codes (like =
wheelbase and=20
gross weight) from other postings.  I'm not sure what my engine is =
(302 V8=20
?).  It is a '71 F-250 Heavy Duty.
 
Also, anybody have (or know someone) =
with grill=20
parts to sell me?  All the trucks around here have the same parts=20
broken!  I believe "70 and '71 are the same =
(?)>
 
Thanks!
 
Mike

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:41:10 -0500 (EST)
From: JonP27604 aol.com
Subject: Frustrating

I am really getting frustrated with my mail service from aol. The digests
just are not coming in order i.e. still waiting for digest 331, 333 and 335.
It may take days for them to show. It sure is hard keeping up with what is
going on this way.

I have suscribed to one of those free email services to see if I get better
service. I have also suscribed to the list using this new address. Lets see
how they come using a side by side comparison.

My two address are:
JonP27604 aol.com
JonP27604 yahoo.com

Jon E. Purut
JonP27604 aol.com

1965 F100 SWB Daily Driver
1965 F100 Parts Truck Hoping To Revive As F350 Super Duty
1977 F150 Parts Truck
1970 Mustang Fastback
1993 Escort Wagon (wifes car)

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:58:05 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Pressure

Both of mine are set to kick on at 125psi and kick out at 150psi. When
using an impact wrench for long periods of time you will have to wait
for the compressor to catch up, but normally I don't ever have to wait
on either of mine. Most of the time you aren't using an impact or air
wrench for very long durations. (Now an air sander might be a whole
nuther story)
>So what's the max PSI You can get out of it?

Azie

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:21:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Pengy67 aol.com
Subject: Re: What do ya'll think of the window stickers?

Nice! Thanks for all the work, Ken. Now if I can just keep dad from trying
to steal mine..... guess I'll have to order more....

Fred

PS - sorry 'bout the incident with the "lady" in the BMW. But I guess now we
know how that fine German technology crumples, er, holds up to, American
heavy metal! (-: Good luck & keep us posted.

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 07:30:19 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: '75 FE360 2V Horse Power?

At 04:48 PM 11/5/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>> ...VIN Number is a "Y", this would translate to a
>> 360ci V-8 2bbl 196hp.
>> Source - Motor books international Ford Pickup Red book.
>
>That's it! :-)
>
>F15 Y L W40774
>133 M F150 6 4 F H4 J
>06050 1975 75
>
>I know what all of it means, but the service manual left out the horse
>powers and torques. Does it say what rpm?

Sorry, it doesn't say what rpm.



>
>F-150 -F15
>360-2V -Y
>Michigan truck plant -L
>Feb of '75 -W40,000-59,999
>133 inch wheelbase, long bed -133
>Wimbledon White -M
>Green interior -6
>Wide Bed -4
>Gasoline -F
>Warner T-18 4 speed -F
>Ford 3750# T-lok, 4 pinion, 9 inch, 3.25 -H4
>Front Axle, Power Steering -J?
>GVWRating -06050
>Model Year -1975
>Shipped to Phoenix -75
>
>Alvin
>
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Keith Srbherbie netvalue.net
Mesa, AZ
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box, Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 07:44:29 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: My baby's wreck....

At 08:17 PM 11/5/97 -0500, you wrote:

Sorry to hear about the your Truck. Is it just me, or do most people, not
all, that drive BMW's and a few other high priced cars have NO MINDS!

>Today something happened to my 67 F100 that had no body
>damage (key word is "had")....
>
>This morning a woman in a BMW decided she was going to cut in
>front of me and jam the brakes. Did some damage to the BMW,
>didn't look major but I'd hate to see the frame when its up
>on a wrack. Its going to cost her....
>
>My F100's front-right side bumper got bent back 6 inches,
>the front-right quarter panel has been pushed back 4 inches
>and creased out about 3 inches. Hood cowl is ruined and the
>metal between the bumper and the body is toast. Grill has some
>damage too.
>
>This lady (I use the term lightly) had the gall to say I
>rammed her and that the damage already existed on my truck!
>Then she lied to the officer and said she was completely
>in my lane when I hit her (only the right side of my truck
>had damage and the left side of her car). I'm glad she
>tried to lie because the officer knew she was lying and gave
>her a ticket for improper lane change.
>
>It gets worse... I don't see how this could be related, its
>too dark to get under the truck to see if a tranny cooling
>line is busted but the C6 tranny started slipping really
>badly on the way home. I'm not looking forward to this
>weekend.
>
>I'm really glad I've got pictures of the truck from before
>the accident. Also, I've got 2 years of receipts which
>prove I'm restoring it (plus the antique tag). Her insurance
>company is not going to weasil out of it... I know exactly
>how much the NOS parts cost.
>
>Grrrrrrrrr.......
>
>I needed to vent!
>Ken
>
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Keith Srbherbie netvalue.net
Mesa, AZ
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box, Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 07:48:03 -0700
From: "woody"
Subject: Re: 351M Power >400+ 10:1?

Two "upgrades" come to mind--the first would be to drop in a 400 crank and
essentially bring it back to the CI the block was designed for.

The other is a suggestion by Pat Ganahl in "Ford Performance" to use
replacement Cleveland pistons (TRW L-2397F) with bushed rods and floating
pins, which will yield about 10:1 CR by his math. In earlier threads
dealing with the 351M/400 engine I've been hoping someone would have tried
this combination and comment on it. Anyone else have thoughts on pumping
up the 400 block this way or actually built one this way?

On the other hand, the price of a 460 rebuild might be right in line with
the cost of getting a more frisky 351/400.

Woody
wfriesen worldnet.att.net

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> From: Jim Craig
> To: fordtrucks61-79 listservice.net
> Subject: 351M Power?
> Date: Thursday, November 06, 1997 3:17 AM
>
> I bought a used '77 with a 351M. The first thing that I did was
to
> rebuild the engine. I have heard that this one is essentially a "torque"
> motor, but you play with what you have lying around. I am searching for
> horsepower and have already had the bore enlarged, shaven a hair off the
top
> of the block added an, Edelbrock cam, manifold, and carb. I added a
Jacobs
> ignition when I rewired the truck(that was not fun). I am throughly
pleased
> with the noticable torqe increase--the truck will smoke the tires for a
good
> ways even with 3.08s spinning 31s; however, I use this truck to commute
to
> Clemson and desire more top end horsepower without losing the low end
torque.
> I am thinking about swapping in higher compression pistons along
> with new heads and a more radical camshaft. With all this talk about my
> engine, do you think that all this effort is worth it or should I just
swap
> in a 460?
>
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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 09:50:32 EST
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Re: 351 ?"M"?

On Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:10:06 -0600 "George Shepherd"
writes:
>400 M is modified from 302 C specs.
>351 M is 400 M, destroked to 351 with a Windsor crank.


I always thought that 400M was a 351C Bored. (?)

Bob

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 09:50:32 EST
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Re: My baby's wreck....

On Wed, 05 Nov 1997 20:17:03 -0500 Ken Payne
writes:
>Today something happened to my 67 F100 that had no body
>damage (key word is "had")....
>
>This morning a woman in a BMW decided she was going to cut in
>front of me and jam the brakes. Did some damage to the BMW,
>didn't look major but I'd hate to see the frame when its up
>on a wrack. Its going to cost her....
- ----
>I'm really glad I've got pictures of the truck from before
>the accident. Also, I've got 2 years of receipts which
>prove I'm restoring it (plus the antique tag). Her insurance
>company is not going to weasil out of it... I know exactly
>how much the NOS parts cost.
>
>Grrrrrrrrr.......
>
>I needed to vent!
>Ken


Whoa! Sorry to hear about your truck. Any witnesses? How fast were you
going
when your truck hit her car?

Bob

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:11:06 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Cooling the compressed air

I used copper all the way to the tanks on mine exactly for this
purpose >I took to York up to 120psi and it showed no sign of
stopping. I am
going to need to set up some kind of cooling line for the first foot or
so. Think copper will do the trick?

Azie

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:26:33 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: '59 w/429

Look close at the head # between the two center sparkplugs on the Land
just below the rocker cover and get the #. ( DOVE C) or something
similar. You just might have a CJ there, and if that is the case, you
would be safe at that price or any negotiated less. Standard 429's are
not that hard to come by here in Al. so you would have to be your own
judge if it isn't CJ.
>a 429 he says, doesn't run he says, needs cam berin's he says, as I spy
the performer intake under the dirty old stock air cleaner(Thunder Jet
429). He got that out of some car a while back and put a C6 behind
her. All the parts is there and he is looking for $1500 obo.

Azie

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 09:31:18 -0500
From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Subject: Re: 203 Part Time Conversion

Karl, Mile Marker is the brand I used the most. Its pretty simple
installation. You need to drop the rear driveshaft, and remove the rear
cone of the t-case. The instructions are pretty good. It only takes
about an hour to do. Just don't think you've got a gear (205) case when
your done !! the 203 has a chain, it tends to get stretched out after a
few years and depending on the use it receives. You may want to check
this while your in the case as a bad chain can snap and knock a hole in
the housing.

Brian

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:36:32 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: 335 Series Engines

> From: "Dave Resch"
> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:36:22 -0700
> Subject: Re: 335 Series Engines

> >were made in the Midland plant thus the confusion but they are
> >still cleveland blocks and all 3 are 335 series engines :-)

Not Midland, Michigan Casting, sorry. Didn't they all have roots in
the Cleveland plant, and based on Cleveland dry manifold and other
proprietary specs and thus the name??

Broncos really are supposed
to have brakes aren't they?

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 07:42:36 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: 351M Power?

Jim Craig wrote:

> I am thinking about swapping in higher compression pistons along
> with new heads and a more radical camshaft. With all this talk about my
> engine, do you think that all this effort is worth it or should I just swap
> in a 460?

Thinking about upgrading your engine go here for some good ideas.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.vr-net.com/~xpoint/

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:42:24 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: 400 small block

Does this mean I can drop a 400 crank/rod/piston assy in a 351W block
and have a 400 smallblock????? I've often wondered about this since the
351W comes with an AOD and the M series didn't. Sounds as if we may be
able to have our cake and eat it also. I'm not interested in high rpm
(beyond 5000) power but am interested in low end grunt and power for
passing in the crusing range. Sounds like a 400 smallblock and an AOD
just might be what I need to be working toward.
>Also the 400 has the same crank journal diameters as the 351w crank.
the
>351c has smaller ones.

Azie

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 07:51:25 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: '59 w/429

am14 chrysler.com wrote:
>
> Look close at the head # between the two center sparkplugs on the Land
> just below the rocker cover and get the #. ( DOVE C) or something
> similar. You just might have a CJ there, and if that is the case, you
> would be safe at that price or any negotiated less. Standard 429's are
> not that hard to come by here in Al. so you would have to be your own
> judge if it isn't CJ.
> >a 429 he says, doesn't run he says, needs cam berin's he says, as I spy
> the performer intake under the dirty old stock air cleaner(Thunder Jet
> 429). He got that out of some car a while back and put a C6 behind
> her. All the parts is there and he is looking for $1500 obo.
>
> Azie

Does anyone have any casting #'s handy for 429/460's? I will run by
today and pick up any casting numbers as well as the vin if I can get to
it.

Laters
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:49:48 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: 351M

I vote for the 460 here.
> I am thinking about swapping in higher compression pistons along
with new heads and a more radical camshaft. With all this talk about my
engine, do you think that all this effort is worth it or should I just
swap
in a 460?

Azie

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 09:58:25 -0500
From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Subject: Re: Engine ID

"G" should be a 302...

Brian

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 97 11:40:20 EST
From: pharrell bae.uga.edu (Graphics & Research Fabrication)
Subject: RE: RE It's a York



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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:33:49 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: 351 "M"?

>
>
>All I can say is see page 15, in Ford Performance by Pat Ganahl, S-A
>Publishing Co.
>
>This book covers Small block, Big block FE and Cleveland and they say it
>uses, and I quote "...Ford engineers 'modified' the 400 by installing
>351W crankshaft in the 400 block"
>

I've got the Ganahl book and it's infested with errors.
Take it with a grain of salt...

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty

Measure it with a micrometer,
mark it with chalk,
cut it with an axe...

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:33:52 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: Twin I Beam Caster&Camber

>
>Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 23:50:52 -0500
>From: Jim Craig
>Subject: Twin I Beam Caster&Camber
>
>The steering on my 1977 F-100 Supercab 4X2 is a little twitchy.
>The steering wheel does not return to center after being turned
>and the front tires wear excessively on the outside. I understand
>that the caster&camber on twin I beams is not adjustable, but how
>can I fix it?

Not returning to center is often caused by shot/binding king pins
and bushings.
With my '71 F100 You could crank the wheel then let it go and the truck
would drive in little circles.

New pins and bushings cured it.

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty

Measure it with a micrometer,
mark it with chalk,
cut it with an axe...

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:33:46 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: It's a York

>I took to York up to 120psi and it showed no sign of stopping. I am
>going to need to set up some kind of cooling line for the first foot or
>so. Think copper will do the trick?
>- --
>Don Grossman
>duckdon pacific.net


How about the condensor core from an air conditioning system? (-:



Steve Delanty

Measure it with a micrometer,
mark it with chalk,
cut it with an axe...

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:33:55 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: What am I doing on line at 12:15 am ?

>
>Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 00:12:47 -0800
>From: danadeb pacbell.net
>Subject: What am I doing on line at 12:15 am ?

Hmmm, my guess would be typing... (-:




Steve Delanty

Measure it with a micrometer,
mark it with chalk,
cut it with an axe...

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:08:31 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: HEP ME HEP ME?!?!?

how does he know it needs new cam bearings? could be alot more, or less
than that. but, as far as cam bearings go, you got to pull out the cam
(obviously) then pull out the bearings with a cam bearing tool, using the
ssame tool to put them in, aligned properly with the oil holes. the tool
is i think about 200 bucks, but it is a real cheap operation for a engine
builder to do. i am sure it can be done with the crank and all in the
block, but normally it is only done at the same time as a full rebuild.

the cam bearings in my current engine were smushed to one side. pieces of
bearing material clogged the oil holes. this was before my rebuild, with
new bearings, i do not know what it lookes like. could be the same. you
see, ford has had this problem with the cam bearings being unconcentric
bores. this tries to bend the cam. many of the 460 blocks have this
problem. i did not notice any problem when putting the cam in, but the old
bearings told a different story.

any way, sounds good to me (the OBO part really) in fact if it was within
a 100 miles of my place i'd be there before you!

sleddog

- ----------
From: Don Grossman[SMTP:duckdon pacific.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 1997 12:53 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: HEP ME HEP ME?!?!?

k now, here's the deal;

there has been this truck see, a 59 ( I know this is the 61-79 group
here but hang in here) F-250 4x4 that has been for sale for about 2
years now, and I finally stop and take a look at it. I'm look'n at this
thing here, it's complete, a little rust here and a dent there, PERFECT
grill, but needs lots of paint. Look in through dusty windows, no
shifter, not a good sign. I'm look'n it over and the owner comes out
and we start to talking and I pop the hood........? Big block?..... It
a 429 he says, doesn't run he says, needs cam berin's he says, as I spy
the performer intake under the dirty old stock air cleaner(Thunder Jet
429). He got that out of some car a while back and put a C6 behind
her. All the parts is there and he is looking for $1500 obo. Everybody
want's one that runs he says. I'm looking at the "obo" and thinking
what's it gona take to put in a new cam and bearings?

HEP ME, DO I DOOOD IT?
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!






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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:30:07 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: 351M Power >400+ 10:1?

th 400 cid would help alot. and if you are really power hungry 460 is the
best IMHO. there is another not so common trick for the M motor though.
it will cost some bucks and will take a bit of playing eith to get right.
put a set of early 351C 4V heads on. the heads i understand bolt on, but
the intake manifold requires purchasing a new intake (only one available
for 351C, and it is a single plane i think) and a set of adapter plates to
fill in the gap between the intake and heads because of the M motor's
taller deck height. i have found very little on this build, but know it
has been done. the 351C 4V heads have almost 460 sized ports and they will
feed 400 cubes easy, without much drop in bottom end from what i have
heard.

for what you want, there is no substitute for CID, but economy can be
expected to fall alot. you can make the power, it all comes down to one
question - how much do you wanna spend today?

how do you like that jacobs ignition?

sleddog

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From: woody[SMTP:wfriesen worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 1997 9:48 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: 351M Power >400+ 10:1?

Two "upgrades" come to mind--the first would be to drop in a 400 crank and
essentially bring it back to the CI the block was designed for.

The other is a suggestion by Pat Ganahl in "Ford Performance" to use
replacement Cleveland pistons (TRW L-2397F) with bushed rods and floating
pins, which will yield about 10:1 CR by his math. In earlier threads
dealing with the 351M/400 engine I've been hoping someone would have tried
this combination and comment on it. Anyone else have thoughts on pumping
up the 400 block this way or actually built one this way?

On the other hand, the price of a 460 rebuild might be right in line with
the cost of getting a more frisky 351/400.

Woody
wfriesen worldnet.att.net

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> From: Jim Craig
> To: fordtrucks61-79 listservice.net
> Subject: 351M Power?
> Date: Thursday, November 06, 1997 3:17 AM
>
> I bought a used '77 with a 351M. The first thing that I did was
to
> rebuild the engine. I have heard that this one is essentially a "torque"
> motor, but you play with what you have lying around. I am searching for
> horsepower and have already had the bore enlarged, shaven a hair off the
top
> of the block added an, Edelbrock cam, manifold, and carb. I added a
Jacobs
> ignition when I rewired the truck(that was not fun). I am throughly
pleased
> with the noticable torqe increase--the truck will smoke the tires for a
good
> ways even with 3.08s spinning 31s; however, I use this truck to commute
to
> Clemson and desire more top end horsepower without losing the low end
torque.
> I am thinking about swapping in higher compression pistons along
> with new heads and a more radical camshaft. With all this talk about my
> engine, do you think that all this effort is worth it or should I just
swap
> in a 460?
>
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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:38:34 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: My baby's wreck....

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From: Keith Srb[SMTP:herbie netvalue.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 1997 9:44 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: My baby's wreck....

At 08:17 PM 11/5/97 -0500, you wrote:

Sorry to hear about the your Truck. Is it just me, or do most people, not
all, that drive BMW's and a few other high priced cars have NO MINDS!



during my travels along PA route 80 during major snow storms, i have found
one thing to hold true on each trip. i used to travel alot in bad weather
for many hours in 4X4, RWD, and FWD cars, trucks etc. on each trip in bad
weather the cars that passed me were high dollar lexus, bmw, benz, etc and
many high end SUV types. invariably they would pass me (and i don't drive
slow) and soon afterward, i would pass them, as they were imobilized by
deep snow, trees, or unfortunatly other cars. most often they walk away,
but some have been bad accidents. for some reason the "cheap" cars'
drivers drive slower, safer, and better. just a stereotype i know, but it
seems to hold true alot.

sleddog

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:40:34 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: '59 w/429

if you get the number, tell us we can tell you if it is a CJ or just an early 429 head. if you don't have the info on the numbers.

sleddog

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From: am14 ....

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