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fordtrucks61-79-digest Wednesday, November 5 1997 Volume 01 : Number 334

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In this issue:

FW: 351 ?"M"? [Adam Clever ]
Decifer Trans [shoman

p3.net]
Re: Seat belt retrofit? [Randy Collins ]
Re: '75 FE360 2V Horse Power? [Jeffry Johnston ]
Re: Seat belt retrofit? [danadeb

pacbell.net]
It's a York [Don Grossman ]
Re: 351 ?"M"? [danadeb

pacbell.net]
'78 E250 not starting after towing ideas? [Nathan Lane
Re: CompCams 252H [sdelanty

sonic.net]
Re: 351 ?"M"? [sdelanty

sonic.net]
Slap meupside my fool head... ["Daniel H. Jenkins"
Re: 351 ?"M"? [Don Grossman ]
Re: FE390 (e-broke story, long) [sdelanty

sonic.net]
Re: Slap meupside my fool head... [danadeb

pacbell.net]
[none] [sdelanty

sonic.net]
Re: Clark 5sp ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: Cauretor for aod? ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: Storing my truck for the winter ["George Shepherd"
Re: Seats ?? ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: 66 Transmission ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: 351 ?"M"? ["Dale and Donna Carmine" ]
Re: Seats ?? ["Dale and Donna Carmine" ]
Re: '75 FE360 2V Horse Power? [Keith Srb ]
RE: Seats ?? ["Jesse Marcellus" ]
Re: It's a York ["deconblu" ]
Re: 351 ?"M"? [A64F100

aol.com]

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 97 16:11:00 -0800
From: Adam Clever
Subject: FW: 351 ?"M"?

Modified

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 20:01:21 -0800
From: shoman

p3.net
Subject: Decifer Trans

While under my 68 F100 I noticed a "N" with what looks like a sun
around it would this be the NP435 tranny?????Being that its
hooked up to a small block will it handle a 360/390 if i change
the bell housing(that is if the bell housing is removable???
Joe
68 F100 4x4 302 Tranny not yet decifered

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:12:31 -0800
From: Randy Collins
Subject: Re: Seat belt retrofit?

Yup! I am in the process of completing the installation. The belts and
motors are from a 1988 up C***y pickup work great. Other that a small
Delco, not really visible logo, on them they look like a factory install.
The Ford setup would be extremely difficult to mount. It is pretty tricky
mounting the pivot point for the shoulder harness. That's the part I am
working on now. I removed the headliner and will carefully lower my
fabricated backing plate assembly down to the correct location.

Check out the belts and motors, I think you will be pleased. The common
colors (in order) are gray, maroon, and golden-brown.

Drop me a note if I can help.

Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins

micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
(wanna be 460 SUPER COBRA JET)
Soon to have the following Randy installed options:
460 C-6 R-CODE :)

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Subject:Re: Seat belt retrofit?
Author:Ken Payne at smtpgate
Date:11/3/97 9:30 PM

Has anyone added seat/shoulder belts to their truck? I have a '65 F100
and would like to be able to strap in a child seat.
thanks
steve.peters

mts.com

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:01:27 -0700 (MST)
From: Jeffry Johnston
Subject: Re: '75 FE360 2V Horse Power?

>
> for trucks the right year or anything else that would tell me the HP

rpm
> and Torque

rpm ratings for my '75 F-150 360 2100 2barrel. Anybody know? >>
>
> Did you look on the Drivers door for the tag? I know some older trucks have
> the HP rating on a little metal tag on the door.
> - Mike

Mine don't tell the horse power but it does have a bunch of other
information on it that I have looked up in my service manuals. (ordered
them when I got the truck :)

Alvin Johnston

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 18:09:26 -0800
From: danadeb

pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Seat belt retrofit?

Randy Collins wrote:
> The belts and
> motors are from a 1988 up C***y pickup work great. Other that a small
> Delco, not really visible logo, on them they look like a factory >install.

How could you deface a Ford that way!:)

Dana

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 18:16:45 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: It's a York

NO not the little peppermint thing, the air compressor.

I finally got it installed on the engine and a power source via jumper
wire and fired it up. I had to fix the little brush deal to get it
power. they are still available new $35 a pop. A little electrical
tape and it was good as new until I get to P-n-P and grap all of them.
That little sucker pumps out some air. At idle it takes about 3 min. to
fill a 10 gallon tank. give her a little gas and you better watch the
guage. I gave it a little rev for about 10 sec. and it went from 40 psi
to 55 psi in a hurry.

When the pump comes on at idle the engine doesn't miss a beat. You have
to listen real close to here the rpm drop. The 390 has no problem
turning that pump. If you are looking for a source of air for your
truck I think this is about the best set up there is. You can be up and
running for about $60 bucks from the P-n-P and a few little parts from
the store. I need to pick up a pressure switch just for insurance and
clean up the wiring. It is really getting to look like a pot of noodles
under the hood.

Happy trucking
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon

pacific.net

63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 18:37:31 -0800
From: danadeb

pacbell.net
Subject: Re: 351 ?"M"?

abbott wrote:
>
> I want to clear this up once for all, I've heard too much contadictory talk.
> What does the "M" in 351"M" stand for, plane "M", "Midland", "Michigan", or
> "Modified"?
> Thanks
> -Tyler-

It stands for "modified". According Ford Performance, page 15 it had
something to do with a change over from the 351C to 351W and the windsor
plant couldn't keep up with production so they modified the the 400
block to accept the 351W crank.

Dana

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:00:42 -0600
From: Nathan Lane
Subject: '78 E250 not starting after towing ideas?

I have a '78 E250, originally a California vehicle that was desmogged.
It was towed from Bozeman to Butte Montana (on a flatbed) because the
owner said it was "lacking power" and that the carb needed rebuilding.
It did run but I didn't want to risk getting stuck 8,000ft up a mountain
pass with three kids and my wife in the middle of last winter.

The carb is a Motorcraft D8 MB UE with a 351 (don't know which - can't
look at tag from out of state). I tried and tried to start it...it just
wouldn't catch but would fire and stumble for a few seconds then die.
I'm heading back to Montana and I'd like to get it running. Could it be
that it is a hill facing UPhill whereas before it was on level ground?

This will be basic to all you folks...but when I do get back and try to
start it (it will be cold again, but not as bad, maybe 40s instead of 0)
should I pump it a few times then hold the throttle open while starting
or let it close THEN pump it when it stumbles or just hold it wide
open? Or just buy a "new" carb and verify the "desmogging" job? I
haven't worked on a carb car in years (nor driven one) so I'm lost when
it comes to carbs.

Thanks a lot for any advice! I'd love to get it running - it'd save me
(hopefully) from having to buy that gawd-awful 4-cyl minivan my wife
wants! (She doesn't mind a full size van - as long as it runs well!!)

- -Nathan Lane
Displaced from the Great White North to Arkansas

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:48:22 -0800
From: sdelanty

sonic.net
Subject: Re: CompCams 252H

>
>Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:35:40 -0500 (EST)
>From: Claypaul

aol.com
>Subject: Re: CompCams 252H
>
>Excuse me for interjecting here, but don't exhaust ports usually BLOW and
>intakes suck?
>

Looks like You've got me on a technicality here... Sorry!

What I meant to say was:
FE intakes are pretty nice, but the exhaust ports really blow...

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty

Measure it with a micrometer,
mark it with chalk,
cut it with an axe...

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:48:28 -0800
From: sdelanty

sonic.net
Subject: Re: 351 ?"M"?

>
>Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:48:04 -0800
>From: abbott
>Subject: 351 ?"M"?
>
>I want to clear this up once for all, I've heard too much contadictory talk.
>What does the "M" in 351"M" stand for, plane "M", "Midland", "Michigan", or
>"Modified"?
>Thanks
>- -Tyler-

It stands for "Mundane", or "Milktoast"
Well, actually it's "Modified". It's a destroked or "modified" 400...

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty

Measure it with a micrometer,
mark it with chalk,
cut it with an axe...

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:59:15 -0800 (PST)
From: "Daniel H. Jenkins"
Subject: Slap meupside my fool head...

Well, thanks again to all those who replied to my 77 V8 Firing
order problem. I steeled myself for a bill so big that NASA would have to
calculate the balance and called the mechanic. As it turns out, I am just
a fool! :( Whoever did the rebuild (it is rebuilt, incidentally) on my
motor put the distributor in 30 degrees off of where it is supposed to be.
The tower marked #1 on my cap is really the tower for the #3 cylinder.
Great!! At least I'm not having serious (read: expensive) problems. Now
I've just got to go pick my baby up. The poor old girl has to spend the
night down at the mechanics. No truck deserves that! Thanks!

- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Daniel H. JenkinsFood for thought: John Milton
djenkins

honors.unr.eduwrote _Paradise_Lost_; When his
Honors Programwife died he wrote _Paradise_
University of Nevada, Reno_Regained_...

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 17:58:18 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: 351 ?"M"?

"Mostly junk" ;-)

I just couldn't resist.

My vote is for Modified

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon

pacific.net

63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and ON BOARD AIR!!!

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:48:21 -0800
From: sdelanty

sonic.net
Subject: Re: FE390 (e-broke story, long)

>>Steve:
>>
>>I guess then I oughta keep my stock ford dualplane, and my biceps. Any
>>hints about making it work better, i.e. shot peening or whatever they call
>>it, that would improve performance? Since I'm not spending the several
>>hundred bills on the edelbroke...

I don't think that the stock 4-bbl FE intakes are that bad.
Ford did a pretty good job on them, and for everyday driving they
provide a real good bang for the buck.
I think there are lots of other areas to be tackled in the breathing
dept before the stock 4-bbl intake becomes a limiting factor.
Their biggest downfall is that they are HEAVY!
My D4TE weighed in at 78lbs.
My C8OE (428CJ) weighs 91lbs!!
The edelbrock performer weighs 25lbs... That's a substantial weight
savings off the front of a very nose heavy vehicle!

>>Alternatively, does weiand or anybody make any kind of manifold like a
>>tunnel-ram for this engine (390) BTW nobody replied to my offenhauser
>>question so I'm a bit miffed. FTR this is what it said:
>>
>>A guy up here is selling an offy single plane intake for a 390, all alum.
>>Is this a good intake for street performance, and does it need a
>>double-pumper to run properly?

I think unless You spend quite a bit of time with it spun up preety far
You'll be happier with a dual plane rather than a single plane manifold.
For a daily driver I'd go dual plane.

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty

Measure it with a micrometer,
mark it with chalk,
cut it with an axe...

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 19:12:50 -0800
From: danadeb

pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Slap meupside my fool head...

It is an easy fix if you want to. Pull the dist up about an inch or so
and rotate the rotor a gear tooth or two, put it back in and your on
your way.

Dana

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:07:31 -0800
From: sdelanty

sonic.net
Subject: [none]

>
>Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 07:48:04 -0800
>From: marko

helix.net (marko maryniak)
>Subject: Re: FE390 (e-broke story, long)
>
>Steve:
>
>I guess then I oughta keep my stock ford dualplane, and my biceps. Any
>hints about making it work better, i.e. shot peening or whatever they call
>it, that would improve performance? Since I'm not spending the several
>hundred bills on the edelbroke...
>
>Alternatively, does weiand or anybody make any kind of manifold like a
>tunnel-ram for this engine (390) BTW nobody replied to my offenhauser
>question so I'm a bit miffed. FTR this is what it said:
>
>A guy up here is selling an offy single plane intake for a 390, all alum.
>Is this a good intake for street performance, and does it need a
>double-pumper to run properly?
>
>
>marko in vancouver
>marko

helix.net
>71f2504x4
>67mercm100
>

Steve Delanty

Measure it with a micrometer,
mark it with chalk,
cut it with an axe...

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:33:20 -0600
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Clark 5sp

Look for a truck graveyard with 60's through 80's F600's and up. Get the
bellhousing and everything.

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> From: am14

chrysler.com
> To: Fordtrucks61-79

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> Subject: Clark 5sp
> Date: Monday, November 03, 1997 12:50 PM
>
> The Clark 280VO is a 5sp, with 5th gear being a .80 OD. I'm interested
> in one. Would be willing to drive a few miles for one if priced
> decently. I'm located in North Alabama, 2miles off I-65 and 1/2 mile
> south of Tennessee line.
>
> Azie
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