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fordtrucks61-79-digest Wednesday, November 5 1997 Volume 01 : Number 334



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In this issue:

FW: 351 ?"M"? [Adam Clever ]
Decifer Trans [shoman p3.net]
Re: Seat belt retrofit? [Randy Collins ]
Re: '75 FE360 2V Horse Power? [Jeffry Johnston ]
Re: Seat belt retrofit? [danadeb pacbell.net]
It's a York [Don Grossman ]
Re: 351 ?"M"? [danadeb pacbell.net]
'78 E250 not starting after towing ideas? [Nathan Lane
Re: CompCams 252H [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: 351 ?"M"? [sdelanty sonic.net]
Slap meupside my fool head... ["Daniel H. Jenkins"
Re: 351 ?"M"? [Don Grossman ]
Re: FE390 (e-broke story, long) [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: Slap meupside my fool head... [danadeb pacbell.net]
[none] [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: Clark 5sp ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: Cauretor for aod? ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: Storing my truck for the winter ["George Shepherd"
Re: Seats ?? ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: 66 Transmission ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: 351 ?"M"? ["Dale and Donna Carmine" ]
Re: Seats ?? ["Dale and Donna Carmine" ]
Re: '75 FE360 2V Horse Power? [Keith Srb ]
RE: Seats ?? ["Jesse Marcellus" ]
Re: It's a York ["deconblu" ]
Re: 351 ?"M"? [A64F100 aol.com]

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 97 16:11:00 -0800
From: Adam Clever
Subject: FW: 351 ?"M"?

Modified

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 20:01:21 -0800
From: shoman p3.net
Subject: Decifer Trans

While under my 68 F100 I noticed a "N" with what looks like a sun
around it would this be the NP435 tranny?????Being that its
hooked up to a small block will it handle a 360/390 if i change
the bell housing(that is if the bell housing is removable???
Joe
68 F100 4x4 302 Tranny not yet decifered

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:12:31 -0800
From: Randy Collins
Subject: Re: Seat belt retrofit?

Yup! I am in the process of completing the installation. The belts and
motors are from a 1988 up C***y pickup work great. Other that a small
Delco, not really visible logo, on them they look like a factory install.
The Ford setup would be extremely difficult to mount. It is pretty tricky
mounting the pivot point for the shoulder harness. That's the part I am
working on now. I removed the headliner and will carefully lower my
fabricated backing plate assembly down to the correct location.

Check out the belts and motors, I think you will be pleased. The common
colors (in order) are gray, maroon, and golden-brown.

Drop me a note if I can help.

Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
(wanna be 460 SUPER COBRA JET)
Soon to have the following Randy installed options:
460 C-6 R-CODE :)



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Subject:Re: Seat belt retrofit?
Author:Ken Payne at smtpgate
Date:11/3/97 9:30 PM



Has anyone added seat/shoulder belts to their truck? I have a '65 F100
and would like to be able to strap in a child seat.
thanks
steve.peters mts.com

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:01:27 -0700 (MST)
From: Jeffry Johnston
Subject: Re: '75 FE360 2V Horse Power?

>
> for trucks the right year or anything else that would tell me the HP rpm
> and Torque rpm ratings for my '75 F-150 360 2100 2barrel. Anybody know? >>
>
> Did you look on the Drivers door for the tag? I know some older trucks have
> the HP rating on a little metal tag on the door.
> - Mike

Mine don't tell the horse power but it does have a bunch of other
information on it that I have looked up in my service manuals. (ordered
them when I got the truck :)

Alvin Johnston

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 18:09:26 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Seat belt retrofit?

Randy Collins wrote:
> The belts and
> motors are from a 1988 up C***y pickup work great. Other that a small
> Delco, not really visible logo, on them they look like a factory >install.

How could you deface a Ford that way!:)

Dana

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 18:16:45 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: It's a York

NO not the little peppermint thing, the air compressor.

I finally got it installed on the engine and a power source via jumper
wire and fired it up. I had to fix the little brush deal to get it
power. they are still available new $35 a pop. A little electrical
tape and it was good as new until I get to P-n-P and grap all of them.
That little sucker pumps out some air. At idle it takes about 3 min. to
fill a 10 gallon tank. give her a little gas and you better watch the
guage. I gave it a little rev for about 10 sec. and it went from 40 psi
to 55 psi in a hurry.

When the pump comes on at idle the engine doesn't miss a beat. You have
to listen real close to here the rpm drop. The 390 has no problem
turning that pump. If you are looking for a source of air for your
truck I think this is about the best set up there is. You can be up and
running for about $60 bucks from the P-n-P and a few little parts from
the store. I need to pick up a pressure switch just for insurance and
clean up the wiring. It is really getting to look like a pot of noodles
under the hood.

Happy trucking
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 18:37:31 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: 351 ?"M"?

abbott wrote:
>
> I want to clear this up once for all, I've heard too much contadictory talk.
> What does the "M" in 351"M" stand for, plane "M", "Midland", "Michigan", or
> "Modified"?
> Thanks
> -Tyler-


It stands for "modified". According Ford Performance, page 15 it had
something to do with a change over from the 351C to 351W and the windsor
plant couldn't keep up with production so they modified the the 400
block to accept the 351W crank.

Dana

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:00:42 -0600
From: Nathan Lane
Subject: '78 E250 not starting after towing ideas?

I have a '78 E250, originally a California vehicle that was desmogged.
It was towed from Bozeman to Butte Montana (on a flatbed) because the
owner said it was "lacking power" and that the carb needed rebuilding.
It did run but I didn't want to risk getting stuck 8,000ft up a mountain
pass with three kids and my wife in the middle of last winter.

The carb is a Motorcraft D8 MB UE with a 351 (don't know which - can't
look at tag from out of state). I tried and tried to start it...it just
wouldn't catch but would fire and stumble for a few seconds then die.
I'm heading back to Montana and I'd like to get it running. Could it be
that it is a hill facing UPhill whereas before it was on level ground?

This will be basic to all you folks...but when I do get back and try to
start it (it will be cold again, but not as bad, maybe 40s instead of 0)
should I pump it a few times then hold the throttle open while starting
or let it close THEN pump it when it stumbles or just hold it wide
open? Or just buy a "new" carb and verify the "desmogging" job? I
haven't worked on a carb car in years (nor driven one) so I'm lost when
it comes to carbs.

Thanks a lot for any advice! I'd love to get it running - it'd save me
(hopefully) from having to buy that gawd-awful 4-cyl minivan my wife
wants! (She doesn't mind a full size van - as long as it runs well!!)

- -Nathan Lane
Displaced from the Great White North to Arkansas

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:48:22 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: CompCams 252H

>
>Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:35:40 -0500 (EST)
>From: Claypaul aol.com
>Subject: Re: CompCams 252H
>
>Excuse me for interjecting here, but don't exhaust ports usually BLOW and
>intakes suck?
>

Looks like You've got me on a technicality here... Sorry!

What I meant to say was:
FE intakes are pretty nice, but the exhaust ports really blow...

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty

Measure it with a micrometer,
mark it with chalk,
cut it with an axe...

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:48:28 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: 351 ?"M"?

>
>Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:48:04 -0800
>From: abbott
>Subject: 351 ?"M"?
>
>I want to clear this up once for all, I've heard too much contadictory talk.
>What does the "M" in 351"M" stand for, plane "M", "Midland", "Michigan", or
>"Modified"?
>Thanks
>- -Tyler-


It stands for "Mundane", or "Milktoast"
Well, actually it's "Modified". It's a destroked or "modified" 400...

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty

Measure it with a micrometer,
mark it with chalk,
cut it with an axe...

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:59:15 -0800 (PST)
From: "Daniel H. Jenkins"
Subject: Slap meupside my fool head...

Well, thanks again to all those who replied to my 77 V8 Firing
order problem. I steeled myself for a bill so big that NASA would have to
calculate the balance and called the mechanic. As it turns out, I am just
a fool! :( Whoever did the rebuild (it is rebuilt, incidentally) on my
motor put the distributor in 30 degrees off of where it is supposed to be.
The tower marked #1 on my cap is really the tower for the #3 cylinder.
Great!! At least I'm not having serious (read: expensive) problems. Now
I've just got to go pick my baby up. The poor old girl has to spend the
night down at the mechanics. No truck deserves that! Thanks!

- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Daniel H. JenkinsFood for thought: John Milton
djenkins honors.unr.eduwrote _Paradise_Lost_; When his
Honors Programwife died he wrote _Paradise_
University of Nevada, Reno_Regained_...

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 17:58:18 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: 351 ?"M"?

"Mostly junk" ;-)

I just couldn't resist.

My vote is for Modified

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and ON BOARD AIR!!!

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:48:21 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FE390 (e-broke story, long)

>>Steve:
>>
>>I guess then I oughta keep my stock ford dualplane, and my biceps. Any
>>hints about making it work better, i.e. shot peening or whatever they call
>>it, that would improve performance? Since I'm not spending the several
>>hundred bills on the edelbroke...

I don't think that the stock 4-bbl FE intakes are that bad.
Ford did a pretty good job on them, and for everyday driving they
provide a real good bang for the buck.
I think there are lots of other areas to be tackled in the breathing
dept before the stock 4-bbl intake becomes a limiting factor.
Their biggest downfall is that they are HEAVY!
My D4TE weighed in at 78lbs.
My C8OE (428CJ) weighs 91lbs!!
The edelbrock performer weighs 25lbs... That's a substantial weight
savings off the front of a very nose heavy vehicle!

>>Alternatively, does weiand or anybody make any kind of manifold like a
>>tunnel-ram for this engine (390) BTW nobody replied to my offenhauser
>>question so I'm a bit miffed. FTR this is what it said:
>>
>>A guy up here is selling an offy single plane intake for a 390, all alum.
>>Is this a good intake for street performance, and does it need a
>>double-pumper to run properly?

I think unless You spend quite a bit of time with it spun up preety far
You'll be happier with a dual plane rather than a single plane manifold.
For a daily driver I'd go dual plane.

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty

Measure it with a micrometer,
mark it with chalk,
cut it with an axe...

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 19:12:50 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Slap meupside my fool head...

It is an easy fix if you want to. Pull the dist up about an inch or so
and rotate the rotor a gear tooth or two, put it back in and your on
your way.

Dana

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:07:31 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: [none]

>
>Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 07:48:04 -0800
>From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
>Subject: Re: FE390 (e-broke story, long)
>
>Steve:
>
>I guess then I oughta keep my stock ford dualplane, and my biceps. Any
>hints about making it work better, i.e. shot peening or whatever they call
>it, that would improve performance? Since I'm not spending the several
>hundred bills on the edelbroke...
>
>Alternatively, does weiand or anybody make any kind of manifold like a
>tunnel-ram for this engine (390) BTW nobody replied to my offenhauser
>question so I'm a bit miffed. FTR this is what it said:
>
>A guy up here is selling an offy single plane intake for a 390, all alum.
>Is this a good intake for street performance, and does it need a
>double-pumper to run properly?
>
>
>marko in vancouver
>marko helix.net
>71f2504x4
>67mercm100
>

Steve Delanty

Measure it with a micrometer,
mark it with chalk,
cut it with an axe...

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:33:20 -0600
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Clark 5sp

Look for a truck graveyard with 60's through 80's F600's and up. Get the
bellhousing and everything.

- ----------
> From: am14 chrysler.com
> To: Fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Clark 5sp
> Date: Monday, November 03, 1997 12:50 PM
>
> The Clark 280VO is a 5sp, with 5th gear being a .80 OD. I'm interested
> in one. Would be willing to drive a few miles for one if priced
> decently. I'm located in North Alabama, 2miles off I-65 and 1/2 mile
> south of Tennessee line.
>
> Azie
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:45:03 -0600
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Cauretor for aod?

- ----------
> From: SuperMagot
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: Cauretor for aod?
> Date: Monday, November 03, 1997 4:36 PM
>
> In a message dated 97-11-02 13:01:03 EST, you write:
>
>
> that I can use with my aod tv rod ? Evry one keeps telling me I dont
> need the rod they are confused this is not a kickdown rod any help will
> be appreciated >>
>
> I cant tell you if any of those mfgs have carburetors that are designed
for
> AOD (i am almost sure Holley would) but I have heard that the carb must
be
> designed to work with the AOD or you will hose it up.


WHY??????


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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:23:38 -0600
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Storing my truck for the winter

- ----------
> From: Jesse Marcellus
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Storing my truck for the winter
> Date: Monday, November 03, 1997 9:43 PM
>
> Well, it's that time of year again and I have to put my truck away for
the
> winter. I've got an unheated garage to put it in but it has a dirt floor
and
> no insulation. What can I do to prevent rusting and doing any damage to
the
> engine?

Get a high pressure spray gun and thoroughly clean the undercarraige.
Change the oil, grease the whole truck(the zerk fittings), Put stabilizer
in the gas, run it enough to get it into the carb. Take the battery out and
put it on a maintaince charger or a solar panel charger. Wax the body.

>
> On a lighter note, from a female point of view, the best way to describe
a
> junkyard is a place full of cars that other people got tired of looking
at in
> their back yard all piles together in no apparent order that some creepy

> looking people will let you wander through after they've tied up the one
eyed
> dog that guards the place to let you pull parts from so you can take them
home
> and realize that the part you pulled of your truck in the first place
maybe
> isn't that bad after all! (Doesn't make them any less fun to visit
tho'!)
>
> Kristen
> 66 Ford F100 Custom Cab
>
>
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:30:27 -0600
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Seats ??

Bronco seats work pretty well and still give a truck feel.

- ----------
> From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
> To: Fordtrucks
> Subject: Seats ??
> Date: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 12:28 AM
>
> We got our first snow here in Minnesota this weekend and I put my
> '64 into the barn for its winter restoration. The 460 is on the engine
> stand, new crank was installed this weekend and I sat in the truck and
> day dreamed of next summer and how it would feel to drive it down the
> road !! But some ding-a-ling put bucket seats in it that feel like your
> sitting in the basement. Anybody got any hints on what seats from what
> vehicle will make it feel right??
>
> Brian
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:12:08 -0600
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: 66 Transmission

Auto or manual?

- ----------
> From: DHooper322 aol.com
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: 66 Transmission
> Date: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 2:25 AM
>
> I am in the process of buying a 66 that needs a transmission. It has a
352ci
> in it. What other transmission will work in this truck? I hope that I
might
> be able to find one in a salvage yard.
>
> Thank You,
>
> Doug Hooper
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:34:14 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Re: 351 ?"M"?

>I want to clear this up once for all, I've heard too much contadictory
talk.
>What does the "M" in 351"M" stand for, plane "M", "Midland", "Michigan",
or
>"Modified"?
>Thanks
>- -Tyler-

Tyler,

I vote for Modified, I've never heard Midland or Michigan used to refer to
this engine.

later,
dale c

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:38:47 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Re: Seats ??

Sleddog said;
>they are very large, very wide and fit in so that i (6"+)
>can fit in, but would like 1-2 inches more room.

um...ah....let's see now....6 inches plus????.......what part of the
anatomy are we referring to???? :-)

later
dale c

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Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 22:31:53 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: '75 FE360 2V Horse Power?

At 07:01 PM 11/4/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>
Manual
>> for trucks the right year or anything else that would tell me the HP rpm
>> and Torque rpm ratings for my '75 F-150 360 2100 2barrel. Anybody
know? >>
>>

I the 5th character of you VIN Number is a "Y", this would translate to a
360ci V-8 2bbl 196hp.
Source - Motor books international Ford Pickup Red book.

Hope this Helps!




>> Did you look on the Drivers door for the tag? I know some older trucks have
>> the HP rating on a little metal tag on the door.
>> - Mike
>
>Mine don't tell the horse power but it does have a bunch of other
>information on it that I have looked up in my service manuals. (ordered
>them when I got the truck :)
>
>Alvin Johnston
>
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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 97 06:09:08 UT
From: "Jesse Marcellus"
Subject: RE: Seats ??

In our other 66 we had the back seat out of a Lincoln Mark V for a front
bench. It looked great and was pretty comfy. Sorry, don't remember what
year.

- -----Original Message-----
From:owner-fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net On Behalf Of Brian & Jacque
Milbrandt
Sent:November 4, 1997 1:29 AM
To:Fordtrucks
Subject:Seats ??

We got our first snow here in Minnesota this weekend and I put my
'64 into the barn for its winter restoration. The 460 is on the engine
stand, new crank was installed this weekend and I sat in the truck and
day dreamed of next summer and how it would feel to drive it down the
road !! But some ding-a-ling put bucket seats in it that feel like your
sitting in the basement. Anybody got any hints on what seats from what
vehicle will make it feel right??

Brian




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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:44:08 -0800
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: It's a York

>I finally got it installed on the engine and a power source via jumper
>wire and fired it up. I had to fix the little brush deal to get it
>power. they are still available new $35 a pop. A little electrical
>tape and it was good as new until I get to P-n-P and grap all of them.
>That little sucker pumps out some air. At idle it takes about 3 min. to
>fill a 10 gallon tank. give her a little gas and you better watch the
>guage. I gave it a little rev for about 10 sec. and it went from 40 psi
>to 55 psi in a hurry.

What kind of pump is this Don. I've been trying to come up with an idea
to be able to use my air tools running off my truck. I'm not really ready to
start putting it together yet (having enough crap going now to last the rest
of my life) but I was contemplating a compressor of some sort and using an
air conditioner compressor clutch and pulley on it.

On another note:
I would like some tire suggestions. I'm looking for something that can
handle heavy loads. I've also been considering white spoke wheels. The truck
will be doing a lot of freeway driving and will not be going off road. I
think it will need a tire that is narrower than these rims are made for. If
you really do want these rims Don, let me know. I'll be up there next Labor
day for a visit.
The truck is coming around nicely. Just messing with connections and a
few vacuum lines it quit blowing smoke on start up. I'm pulling the cap,....


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