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fordtrucks61-79-digest Monday, November 3 1997 Volume 01 : Number 329



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In this issue:

Re: Getting back on track! [dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)]
Re: Ford v8-400, the next chapter ["Ron" ]
Re: 4 port TVS hookup and testing ["Donald R. Screen"
Cauretor for aod? [garchap webtv.net (Gary Chapman)]
Re: Off Topic ["Dale and Donna Carmine" ]
Re: Getting back on track! [danadeb pacbell.net]
please release me [TVT2 ]
Re: Getting back on track! ["deconblu" ]
Re: please release me [Ken Payne ]
ADMIN: Web site milestone [Ken Payne ]
Re: Getting back on track! [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: please release me [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: please release me ["deconblu" ]
F350 at my Homepage ["deconblu" ]
Re: F350 at my Homepage [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: FE390 [JonP27604 ]

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Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 22:59:00 -0500
From: dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)
Subject: Re: Getting back on track!

- -> >

Heck, AB loves junkyards. She'll go running from car to car checking
them out. She even went with me to a yard in rural Arkansas, in pouring
rain, up a hill, helped pull the head off an old six cylinder Falcon,
and carried the toolbox back while I lugged the head out to the car.

Now if I could only get her to make the conceptual leap to connect the
numbers stamped on the tools with sizes.

"Hand me a 9/16," I'll ask. She'll go through an entire roll of
wrenches, peering at 1/4" and 1" wrenches, and then will hand me a 5/8".
I think she's about got the difference between Phillips and flathead
screwdrivers, though.


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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 10:13:55 -0500
From: "Ron"
Subject: Re: Ford v8-400, the next chapter

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Daniel,
Did it run before you started this cap and rotor thing? If so, you
probably just don't have the wires on right.
Click on the attachment below. Look at the engine photo(the 2nd photo)
You can actually see the wire locations here.
Look at page 63 in the Chilton Repair and Tune Up Guide Ford Bronco
1966-1986. If you are facing the front of the vehicle then number 1
cylinder is on your left in front. The timing mark can align twice with
the no. 1 top dead center. One of these will be 180 degrees out and your
rotor button should face the no. 6 cyl. position in the photo on page 63,
at that time. If it is, then turn your crankshaft once more around to the
timing marks to align them and you should see the rotor button go to no. 1
cyl. location in the photo on page 63. The rotation from the no. 1 cyl.
for the firing order and the wire placement is to the left or counter
clockwise. The firing order is 13726548 and trace each wire at the time
you put it on the distributor to its correct sparkplug.
Please note the locations of the two clips holding the cap down and no. 1
cyl.
Daniel, if this is what you have then something else is wrong but the odds
are against that. Its only a wire being crossed.

Ron---Bronco Lover



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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 11:19:19 -0600
From: "Donald R. Screen"
Subject: Re: 4 port TVS hookup and testing

Dale and Donna Carmine wrote:

> Don and All,
>
> This would be a great help! Does anyone know where I can find a vacuum
> diagram for a '79 351M? BTW this is not the original engine, this truck
> came with a 302. I'm not sure of the vintage of the swap or that any of
> the vacuum lines were in the proper place when I got the truck.
>
> >Seems to me Ford used a separate vacuum switch, usually a two
> >port thermal vacuum switch to control the EGR at a certain temp.
>
> There is a 2 port switch but it is in one of the lines going to the vapor
> canister. This switch is closed when cold, open when hot (normal).
>
>
> I checked the carb ports with a vacuum gage. There are two ports
> (Motorcraft 2150). The port on the front of the carb is the spark port I
> think. It shows zero at idle, comes up quickly off idle but is always less
> than manifold vacuum. The port on the side of the carb is the EGR port I
> think. It shows zero at idle and comes to full manifold vacuum off idle.
>
> >If you clean off the grease and dirt the vacuum switch on the thermostat
> >housing should be labeled. Something like 1,2,D,M
> >D=Distributor M=Manifold
>
> The markings are S,E,M,D. With a cold engine all 4 ports are closed, no
> vacuum can pass. With a hot (normal) engine S&E are open to each other and
> M&D are open to each other. I can't tell if they open at the same
> temperature or not.
> Drove around a bit tonight with the distributor advance connected directly
> to the spark port. Runs better, comes off idle without stumbling, but I
> think the main difference was fixing the vacuum leak caused by the broken
> nipple.
>
>
> Thanks again for your help. If you come up with any additional information
> please post it.

Dale,
I finally found my Mityvac book and here's what its got to say about
your
4 port TVS and some more info on your 2 port TVS.

>From the book - The two-port valve is used to stop EGR while the engine is
cold.
This type of thermal switch is needed to provide good driveability by limiting
the
entrance of EGR until the engine is warmed up. The three port valve is
commonly
called a cooling system PVS because it switches the vacuum source to the
distributor
from the ported vacuum source to the intake manifold vacuum source. This 3
port TVS
operates at 235 degrees F.
The four-port valve has been used in some Ford engines to bypass the spark
delay
valve and cut out the EGR system when the engine is cold.

2 Port EGR TVS color coding
Green 68 degrees F
Black 100 degrees F
Plain or Blue 133 degrees F

*When the engine reaches the specified temp then vacuum should pass through the
valve.

4 Port TVS switch testing is as follows:
This TVS operates at 125 degrees F

Top two ports -
When the engine is above 125 degrees F you should not see any vacuum passing
between the top two ports.
Below 125 degrees F you should see vacuum passing between the top two ports.

Bottom two ports
When the engine is cold (below 125 degrees F) no vacuum should pass between the
lower two ports.
When the engine is above 125 degrees F you should see vacuum passing between
the lower two ports.

If the valve fails any of the above tests...replace the valve.

Your valve marked S, E, M, D indicates that the vacuum lines should be hooked
up from the
Spark port, EGR port, Manifold port, and Distributor.
More than likely you should have a spark delay valve in line between the TVS
and the distributor.
You may also find a one way vacuum check valve somewhere in the system.

I'm pretty sure your Motorcraft 2150 has the spark port on the side and the EGR
port on the front.

Your pollution cannister should have lines running from the fuel tank to the
cannister...from carb fuel bowl vent
to the cannister....another vacuum line running from a tee connection off of
the EGR port on the carb to serve as
a vacuum signal to operate the valve on top of the cannister....and finally a
purge line running from the cannister up
to a tee connection between the PCV valve and the PCV port on the carb. When
the engine vacuum is strong enough
it sends a signal to the cannister valve to open and send the excess fuel
vapors from the fuel tank and carb bowl to the
base of the carb at the PCV connection to be reburned.

Hope this helps you get your vacuum system hooked up right and tested.

Don
Allen, Texas

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:00:03 -0600
From: garchap webtv.net (Gary Chapman)
Subject: Cauretor for aod?

Could anyone tell me if holley,carter,edelbrock has a 650 cfm carb
that I can use with my aod tv rod ? Evry one keeps telling me I dont
need the rod they are confused this is not a kickdown rod any help will
be appreciated

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 13:44:00 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Re: Off Topic

Erik said;

>I really doubt you can buy it but your local library should be able
>to borrow it from a library that owns it. We call it Interlibrary
>Loan.

For those who haven't tried it Interlibrary loan is an excellent service.
You can get any virtually any book for the cost of postage! A few years
back I did some research on electric cars and was amazed by the technical
and engineering info that I could get. I'm waiting right now for a book on
"Rebuilding the Ford V-8" that was recommended by a list member.

Happy Reading!
dale c

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 11:14:16 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Getting back on track!

Dave Williams wrote:
>
> Now if I could only get her to make the conceptual leap to connect
> the
> numbers stamped on the tools with sizes.
>
> "Hand me a 9/16," I'll ask. She'll go through an entire roll of
> wrenches, peering at 1/4" and 1" wrenches, and then will hand me a
> 5/8".
> I think she's about got the difference between Phillips and flathead
> screwdrivers, though.

We should all be careful about wife bashing, If it wasn't for their
generosity and understanding we would all be a the opera sleeping to
Madame Butterfly!


Just a thought!
(flame suit on!)

Dana

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 17:55:13 EST
From: TVT2
Subject: please release me

please drop me from e-mail list .am no longer intrested found
women more apealing.

thank you

tvt

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 15:38:01 -0800
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: Getting back on track!

>We should all be careful about wife bashing, If it wasn't for their
>generosity and understanding we would all be a the opera sleeping to
>Madame Butterfly!
>
>
>Just a thought!
>(flame suit on!)

Sorry Dana, but I think your reading sometime into this that isn't there. I
do agree our wives deserve respect. I just wish I knew what the heck you are
talking about with the "sleeping to Madame Butterfly" thing! :)

After 16 years I still love Teddi enough to die for, even when she's driving
me nuts!


Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 18:49:17 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: please release me

At 05:55 PM 11/2/97 EST, you wrote:
>please drop me from e-mail list .am no longer intrested found
>women more apealing.
>
> thank you
>
> tvt
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Hope he isn't as clueless with women as he is with the above instructions.

Sorry, sometimes the boneheadedness of someone just has be pointed out.

Ken

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 19:23:54 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Web site milestone

Ford Truck Enthusiasts has just reached a new milestone!
50,000 visitors to the web site as of this evening.

Thanks everyone!
Ken

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 19:23:29 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Getting back on track!

You got it!

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 19:31:50 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: please release me

Ken,
I flamed someone privately for this same thing but felt bad after, so I
just set up a standard reply with instructions and when I see one I Send
it directly to them. Now wouldn't be fun if we all sent the same
standard reply to the "boneheads", can you imagine getting 20 or so of
the same reply. ( something might sink in )

Below is the standard E-Mail I send: ( hope im not overstepping my
bounds)


>To Unsubscribe:
>
>Send an e-mail with ONLY the word "unsubscribe" in the body
>of the text to :
>
>fordtrucks61-79-request listservice.net
>
>You will receive a conformation from the service.
>
>Dana

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 17:17:20 -0800
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: please release me

>At 05:55 PM 11/2/97 EST, you wrote:
>>please drop me from e-mail list .am no longer intrested found
>>women more apealing.
>>
>> thank you
>>
>> tvt
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>
>Hope he isn't as clueless with women as he is with the above instructions.
>
>Sorry, sometimes the boneheadedness of someone just has be pointed out.
>
>Ken

Well Ken, judging by the name "tvt" it's only their clothes he's interested
in! :)

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 21:17:07 -0800
From: "deconblu"
Subject: F350 at my Homepage

Hi Gang!
I put a picture of my F350 on my Homepage. It also shows the kind of day
we had here in So. Cal. today. It was a little bright out to be taking a
picture of a white truck but hey, I can think of worst things to deal with.
50,000 visits! Good thing you don't need to be there to greet everyone
"Hello, Welcome to Ford Trucks" 50,000 times would be like work.
Congratulations Bro & Sis, Looks like your a hit (little Web humor).


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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 23:15:21 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: F350 at my Homepage

Great find on the F-350. I also found my truck in the Truck Trader and
found that almost every $1200 to $1500 truck that looked good in the
picture was gone the same day the adds came out. I even called a guy and
in the time it took me to drive over to look at it he had sold it. ( I
think it was 20 min or so ).

Also love the mountains in the back ground. I hate living in the
flatlands!

Dana

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Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 05:48:58 EST
From: JonP27604
Subject: Re: FE390

In a message dated 97-11-02 08:58:33 EST, you write:


Subject: Re: FE390

A while back I looked at the Ponycar ( or something like that ) page and
....

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