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fordtrucks61-79-digest Friday, October 31 1997 Volume 01 : Number 322



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In this issue:

Re: Distributor Vacuum Advance/splitfires [dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us ]
changing fluid in 4spd/tcase [shoman p3.net]
Re: Payloads #320 ["deconblu" ]
Re: 351 W problems [Tom Hogan ]
Re: changing fluid in 4spd/tcase [Don Grossman ]
RE: Distributor Vacuum Advance/splitfires [Sleddog ]
RE: changing fluid in 4spd/tcase [Sleddog ]
RE: Payloads #320 [Sleddog ]
brakes [Litemeup aol.com]
Flywheel Teeth [Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)]
ADMIN: Static cling window stickers [Ken Payne ]
Re: Payloads ["Brett McCoy" ]
Re: Flywheel Teeth [Chekerdpst aol.com]
Re: Flywheel Teeth [Chekerdpst aol.com]
Header selection for FE... [Paul ]
Re: Payloads [Randy Collins ]
460 Head Gaskets and rods [Randy Collins ]
Re: Autolite 4100 [john brawley ]
Re: Payloads #320 [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: Getting back on track! ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: Flywheel Teeth ["George Shepherd" ]

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:30:00 -0500
From: dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)
Subject: Re: Distributor Vacuum Advance/splitfires

- -> wonderful splt fires which were actually designed to fire two
- -> cylinders at once but they couldn't convince the manufacturers to
- -> siamese two cylinders under one combustion chamber...........:-)

There have actually been two stroke engines with two bores and one
chamber. The crankpins were offset so one bore did intake and one did
exhaust.

- - Dave "Master of the Bizarre" Williams


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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:31:36 -0800
From: shoman p3.net
Subject: changing fluid in 4spd/tcase

What type oil will i need to change the fluid in my 4spd and transfer
case???Its a 68 f100..Also are synthetics available and worth it???
Joe
68 f100
4X4

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:47:15 -0800
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: Payloads #320

From Kenny / SCC
> Payloads are how much weight the truck can carry (including passengers and
>driver) respectively.

That's the way I read it.

>If you have a half-ton,( F-150) you should be able put
>1000 LBs. on the truck safely minus your weight and any passengers. 1500
>LBs. for a three-quarter ton(F-250) and 2000 LBs. for a one-ton(F-350).

OK, here is where I get lost. Lets take an F-250 3/4 ton with a payload of
1500 lb.. Say you have two real men in the cab that weight 200 lb. each. How
much does a full camper weight? Add camping eq. and Beer, a full water tank,
clothes, toiletries and Beer.
It just seems to me that 1500 lb. isn't very much. When they say carry
safely is it just a relative term meaning little as far as max. payload? I'm
trying to figure out how much I can carry in the F372.
I keep saying deliveries like it's a secret what it is. I'm carrying...
no better not tell! Kidding! Their plastic zip loc bags. A 48"X48" pallet 4'
high can weight 2000 lb..

>Actually I think the (F) in F-series stands for FUN but I don't think Ford
>had that better idea.LOL I believe it actually stood for the word FORD but
>I'm not sure. Originally they called them F-1,F-2,F-3,etc. then they
changed
>them to F-100, F-250,and F-350 back in the early fifties. basically because
>it sounded better and 100,250 and 350 sounded more powerful than 1,2 and 3.

I was wondering if each digit stood for something, like in the vin.#.

>then they added the F-150 to confuse us even more later on.

I heard this was done to exempt them from needing a cat. conv. in the early
smog dazes!

>All I know is they're right when they say "Built Ford Tough" because I'd
never own anything

They are tough I will admit, but I'd take a Dodge Viper in a NY minute! 2
for a broken one! :)


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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:08:17 -0800
From: Tom Hogan
Subject: Re: 351 W problems

Eric,
Assuming it is carbureted, I would check the fuel filter first, then
the fuel pump. If you have a Holley there are sight plugs on the side
of the carb bowl you can remove to see if the bowls have any fuel. The
plugs are used to check the float level. You could also remove the air
cleaner lid and move the throttle linkage a few times. If the carb is
getting fuel then you will see the accelerator pump shot (gas) into the
primary venturies.

Next I would check the fuel pump. Best way I can think of is to rig up
some sort of catch can so you don't splash fuel all over. When my dad
did it he just unhooked the fuel line and had me bump the starter.
Scared the bejesus out of me.

Then you might look for kinked fuel hoses. I ruined a fuel pump one
time when the intake line on the pump kinked -- I put a new one in that
was too long -- and blocked the fuel flow into the pump. Since it was
working against a vacuum it split the diaphram -- no more pump.

I had a plugged fuel filter once but it would only act up
intermittently. At the time I was driving from California to Arkansas
for Christmas. Couple of times going up long grades the engine would
start sputtering and missing and I couldn't drive over a certain speed.
If I shut off the motor and started it again it would run fine. I even
spent a couple of hours and several $$$ at a service station. They
reset the timing but didn't find the filter problem. Finally found it
myself when I got to Ar. Man did I ever want to have a "talk" with that
mechanic.


Tom H
San Francisco, California
76 F-150 SuperCab 390FE
96 Windstar 200 hp 3.8L (Wife's Hot Rod)



Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 05:59:24 EST
From: "Erick Kulig"
Subject: Re: 351 W problems

Hey Lube,

> I am in the process of working on a 1986 F-250 that the owner dropped a
> 1979 351 W in. The problem I am having is that when you start the truck
> up and put it into gear, It will move a few feet or so, and then stall.
> The problem is even worse when the truck has warmed up. The truck acts
> like it is not getting gas. It runs really rough too. If anybody has
> any Ideas on what this could be, please e-mail me directly. Thanks.

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:41:07 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: changing fluid in 4spd/tcase

shoman p3.net wrote:
>
> What type oil will i need to change the fluid in my 4spd and transfer
> case???Its a 68 f100..Also are synthetics available and worth it???
> Joe
> 68 f100
> 4X4

I have been using 140w lately. I got a good deal on about 20 gallons or
so. I have used it in the diffs and the transmission( just to top off)
and in the transfer case( just to top off). I works fine in the 100 deg
heat of summer put for winter I think it might be a little thick for the
transmission at 20 deg. :-(

If you have leaky seals then use the regular cheap 90-80w. If you are
going to rebuild and put new seals in you might want to go Mobil or
other synth. since it will be staying in for a longer period of time.

I'm getting ready to do the coil front suspension thing anybody have any
tips for me?
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:48:22 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Distributor Vacuum Advance/splitfires

- ----------
From: Dave Williams[SMTP:dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 1997 10:30 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: Distributor Vacuum Advance/splitfires



There have actually been two stroke engines with two bores and one
chamber. The crankpins were offset so one bore did intake and one did
exhaust.

- - Dave "Master of the Bizarre" Williams


and one that had a second cyl. changing the crankcase volume. and one with
2 cyl. connected at the top, two pistons recipracating on a 360 deg. crank
with the plug firing directly between cylinders wear they were connected.

sleddog

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:49:16 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: changing fluid in 4spd/tcase

IMHO yes, and mostly yes.

sleddog

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From: shoman p3.net[SMTP:shoman p3.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 1997 10:31 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: changing fluid in 4spd/tcase

What type oil will i need to change the fluid in my 4spd and transfer
case???Its a 68 f100..Also are synthetics available and worth it???
Joe
68 f100
4X4





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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:51:16 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Payloads #320

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From: deconblu[SMTP:deconblu gte.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 1997 6:47 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: Payloads #320

It just seems to me that 1500 lb. isn't very much. When they say carry
safely is it just a relative term meaning little as far as max. payload? I'm
trying to figure out how much I can carry in the F372.
I keep saying deliveries like it's a secret what it is. I'm carrying...
no better not tell! Kidding! Their plastic zip loc bags. A 48"X48" pallet 4'
high can weight 2000 lb..

when they say carry safely, i think it was the lawyers talkin', not the engineers!

sleddog

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:15:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Litemeup aol.com
Subject: brakes

This is probably a stupid question, but I am out of ideas. I have recently
rplaced the front pads and rear shoes and drums on my bronco. The brake
pedal is nice and hard and brakes better than ever. However i have developed
a squek in the rear right tire. It squeeks a little while braking however it
squeeks while making right hand turns and/or when going around curves to the
right. I have taken the drum off and checked things out, sanded the shoe
lightly, and still the squeek persists.

Any ideas? How can I make it stop?

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:41:50 -0500
From: Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)
Subject: Flywheel Teeth

Hey all you Ford Guru's you all know I've got this 302 I'm trying to
install (have been for quite some time now) and I have learned a great
deal just by being silent and putting in my .02 worth here and there
well I have a question I am bolting this 302 to a 3 spd. manual trans.
which I hate to do but the only 4 spd. I've found is 1800.00 so I'll go
with the 3 spd. anyway I went and picked up the used flywheel from the
yard the other day and got home and started to count the teeth and found
that there are some that are chipped I looked in some of my catalogs and
found that new teeth are inexpensive but how do you put them on? I don't
see any welds is it pressed on? Can I do this job myself or do I need to
take it somewhere to have it done? Who does this sort of repair? Thanks
for the help.

Duke's
Fine 69

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:03:52 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Static cling window stickers

My wife, Peggy, will be mailing out the final batch of Ford Truck
Enthusiasts static cling window stickers tomorrow afternoon.
Tomorrow evening, there will be a posting of all names of who
should receive stickers and how many. All those who have donated
to keep our services going will be included on this list. If you
do not see your name on it or the order amount is incorrect please
email me and I'll get it straightened out ASAP.

For those who don't know what I'm talking about please point your
web browser to: http://www.ford-trucks.com/sticker.html for full
details.

Sorry for the major delays. If anyone slips through the cracks
let me know.

Additionally, as some of you may already know: my wife Peggy is
now handling about 50% of the behind the scenes administration
chores and will soon handle 95%. This will allow me to participate
fully in the discussion groups and chat more often with the friends
I've made here. It will also let me develop the site so it has
more resources for us. (Live IRC/web chat will soon be a once a
week feature!) Also, from now on, Peggy (who is far more organized
than I am) will be handling the stickers so the turn-around time
between placing an order and receiving your sticker should be
a matter of days instead of weeks.

Ken
Admin

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:50:18 -0600
From: "Brett McCoy"
Subject: Re: Payloads

Did I miss something along the way? My understanding was as follows.

F-100 = 1,000 lbs
F-150 = 1,400 lbs (heavy half)
F-250 = 1,500 lbs
F-250 = 2,000 lbs

That includes: passengers, cargo, gas and any non-factory accessories that
are bolted on. In my experience, with F-150 and F-250 these ratings are
very conservative. If you exclude the passenger and gas part of the
equation you should still be able to carry the full "payload" in the box
safely. Assuming that it is properly anchored and your brakes are good :-)

Sound about right to everyone else?

>Payloads are how much weight the truck can carry (including passengers and
>driver) respectively. If you have a half-ton,( F-150) you should be able
put
>1000 LBs. on the truck safely minus your weight and any passengers. 1500
>LBs. for a three-quarter ton(F-250) and 2000 LBs. for a one-ton(F-350).
>Actually I think the (F) in F-series stands for FUN but I don't think Ford
>had that better idea.LOL I believe it actually stood for the word FORD
but
>I'm not sure. Originally they called them F-1,F-2,F-3,etc. then they
changed
>them to F-100, F-250,and F-350 back in the early fifties. basically
because
>it sounded better and 100,250 and 350 sounded more powerful than 1,2 and
3.
>then they added the F-150 to confuse us even more later on. All I know is
>they're right when they say "Built Ford Tough" because i'd never own
anything
>else. Kenny / SCC

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:03:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Chekerdpst aol.com
Subject: Re: Flywheel Teeth

The ring gear is usually heated to around 350 F, then gently pressed onto the
flywheel. When it cools, it shrinks to the flywheel. As for removing it, I
might try heating it in my oven for a while (it helps to have an
understanding wife/girlfriend/roomie). A question about your three
speed-which model is it? I have several bad experiences with the T-150 found
in broncos and 76-up Jeeps. A mild 302 (RV cam, headers,4-bbl) with 33"
tires and a 11" clutch and flywheel were too much for this particular tranny.
After lunching my third, I opted for a rebuilt top loader 4-sp from a
mustang. STOUT!! The guy who rebuilt it and installed the shortened
tailshaft for me guaranteed it for a year, so I did my best to break it, with
no luck(?) The gearing in first was a bit taller, but even with 3.54 gears,
it worked very well on the street. Off road, crawling was a bit faster, but
with the right cam, it would idle along nicely. Good luck. Darren

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:05:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Chekerdpst aol.com
Subject: Re: Flywheel Teeth

FYI-the conversion cost me about $1200, including a hurst shifter.

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:11:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul
Subject: Header selection for FE...

Hi all,
I have begun to put on a new exhaust system on my FE 390 and have
started to look for headers. I'm not looking to break any quarter mile
records or anything, and durabilty is an issue as well as price and fit.
Anyone had good results with a certain brand of header for an FE engine?
I've priced Hooker's super competition at 250.00 bucks(kinda pricey but that
was the only one offered for the FE) and Hedman's at 116.00 bucks(I wonder
if I'll have to carve out my truck to get 'em to fit!). Those are the only
two that would fit my truck that I've been able to locate with a quick
search so far. One brand of header, I can't remember which, wouldn't fit
because of a front sway bar. What gives? How could the front sway bar
influence the header? The collecter is at the rear..right? ;~) The
chasis is a 2 wheel drive 75 F250 crew cab, p/s, p/b, manual on the floor
and no a/c. Thanks in advance...Paul

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:05:35 -0800
From: Randy Collins
Subject: Re: Payloads

Did I miss something along the way? My understanding was as follows.

F-100 = 1,000 lbs
F-150 = 1,400 lbs (heavy half)
F-250 = 1,500 lbs
F-250 = 2,000 lbs

This doesn't sound right to me. I believe that the above was the original
designation for the ford F-Series in the early years but I believe that
each series has it's own maximum payload capacity. I suspect that the
above numbers will be exceeded by even Ford's own literature. I remember
that in the early days of the Ford truck list the actual payload numbers
were published and it exceeded these weights. For instance my old 1975
Ford F250 Highboy I used to own had much more capacity than the F150 of the
same year.

Am I mistaken?

Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
(wanna be 460 SUPER COBRA JET)
Soon to have the following Randy installed options:
460 C-6 R-CODE :)


That includes: passengers, cargo, gas and any non-factory accessories that
are bolted on. In my experience, with F-150 and F-250 these ratings are
very conservative. If you exclude the passenger and gas part of the
equation you should still be able to carry the full "payload" in the box
safely. Assuming that it is properly anchored and your brakes are good :-)

Sound about right to everyone else?

>Payloads are how much weight the truck can carry (including passengers and
>driver) respectively. If you have a half-ton,( F-150) you should be able
put
>1000 LBs. on the truck safely minus your weight and any passengers. 1500
>LBs. for a three-quarter ton(F-250) and 2000 LBs. for a one-ton(F-350).
>Actually I think the (F) in F-series stands for FUN but I don't think Ford
>had that better idea.LOL I believe it actually stood for the word FORD
but
>I'm not sure. Originally they called them F-1,F-2,F-3,etc. then they
changed
>them to F-100, F-250,and F-350 back in the early fifties. basically
because
>it sounded better and 100,250 and 350 sounded more powerful than 1,2 and
3.
>then they added the F-150 to confuse us even more later on. All I know is
>they're right when they say "Built Ford Tough" because i'd never own
anything
>else. Kenny / SCC




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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:19:48 -0800
From: Randy Collins
Subject: 460 Head Gaskets and rods

In one of the posts regarding compression ratios someone mentioned that
thicker head gaskets were available for the 460. I think it was Sleddog?
Does any one have a source for these? Phone Numbers or an address would
be a helpful!

I am looking for a set of 460 truck rods. The part number for these is
D6VE-AA. Any one have any 460's torn down? I understand that these rods
are identical to the earlier Cobra Jet Rods. I also understand that these
rods when used with good bolts will tolerate a rpm limit of 6500.

The motor I am working on has roller rockers and 3/8" pushrods with guide
plates. I will be using the DO0E-R Cobra Jet heads. If I want to be able
to rev that high should I try to use hydraulic lifters or should I go with
solids...or a roller setup?

I enjoy working on it but dependability would be a plus!

Thanks,

Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
(wanna be 460 SUPER COBRA JET)
Lots of parts...some assembly required
460 C-6 R-CODE :)

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:25:24 -0800
From: john brawley
Subject: Re: Autolite 4100

Robert Mitchem wrote:
>
> I'm located in Gulfport, MS. These carbs are not the spreadbore type. They
> are the older style shoebox type. I want 50.00 dollars plus UPS shipping
> for each. If you are interested let me know.
>
> ----------
Robert,

Do you still have any Autolite 4100 carbs available?

I will buy them.

John

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:58:46 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Payloads #320

How much weight can your rear tires carry?
What is the rated load the rear end can carry?
How much spring travel do you have?
What is your spring rate?

The rear axle ( Dana 60/70 ) 5200 lbs/7400 lbs Subtract the rear end
weight ( approx 2000 lbs ) then you could carry 3200 lbs/5400 lbs.


My truck is a "Camper Special". The GVW is 7500 and it weighs 5000 lbs
empty. This means I can put 2500 lbs in it. ( And have, with 6" of
spring travel left ). My truck has the overload spring on top of the
spring stack.

I'm not sure how this applies but its my $.02

Dana

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 01:09:17 -0600
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Getting back on track!

Gee, Deacon, I was just going to offer to take you position on the truck.

- ----------
> From: deconblu
> To: fordtrucks
> Subject: Getting back on track!
> Date: Thursday, October 30, 1997 2:35 PM
>
> Hi Gang!
> I want to share what had happen and maybe save someone else needless
> hassles. This whole thing with Teddi really baffled me until this
morning.
> That's when I found out how stupid this fight really was.
>
Major snip

already was "truck or no truck" showed me there was something more
important
> than my pride at stake. I felt it had Ford Truck content but I still beg
> your pardon for including my personal trials and tribulations, though I
> can't say I'm sorry. I found out there is a bigger value in this list
than
> just information. There is cool minded advice and a genuine concern for
> fellow members.
> You can learn everything concerning Ford Trucks and a little bit
about
> life here.
> Later!
>
> Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 01:26:50 -0600
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Flywheel Teeth

It's not really pressed on. You heat up the new ring gear and it drops onto
the flywheel. When it cools it is a shrink fit.

- ----------
> From: George Schott
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Flywheel Teeth
> Date: Thursday, October 30, 1997 9:41 PM
>
> Hey all you Ford Guru's you all know I've got this 302 I'm trying to
> install (have been for quite some time now) and I have learned a great
> deal just by being silent and putting in my .02 worth here and there
> well I have a question I am bolting this 302 to a 3 spd. manual trans.
> which I hate to do but the only 4 spd. I've found is 1800.00 so I'll go....

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