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fordtrucks61-79-digest Monday, October 27 1997 Volume 01 : Number 317



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In this issue:

[none] [jniolon uss.com]
Re: 5 Speed and an FE ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: distributor update ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: '77 Door Hinges [John MacNamara ]
Axle Splines [Jerry & Lisa ]
Re: 77 DOOR HINGES [STCLASSICS aol.com]
Re: Parts "GOLD MINE !" [rick adc.com (Rick Larson)]
Re: Axle Splines ["dan jones" ]
Re: Axle Splines ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: 460 heads ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Torque Specs.... ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
RE: 460 heads [Sleddog ]
RE: Torque Specs.... [Sleddog ]
RE: Torque Specs.... [Sleddog ]
Re: 5 Speed and an FE [mcat epix.net]
Re: Parts "GOLD MINE !" [Brian & Jacque Milbrandt ]
Re:heater ["art l" ]
Re:heater ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: 5 Speed and an FE ["deconblu" ]
Re: 5 Speed and an FE ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: 351C bellhousing pattern ["Dave Resch"]
Re: Re:heater ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: 351C bellhousing pattern ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
RE: heater [Sleddog ]
what do you think? [Clssicford aol.com]
Re: what do you think? ["dan jones" ]
Re: what do you think? ["deconblu" ]

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: jniolon uss.com
Subject: [none]

My '71 F100 has this red light on the dash, at the extreme lower
left
corner, just above the parking brake.
It's about 3/4" diameter with a chrome trim ring around it and
matches
the general F100 "decor", but I always thought that some previous
owner
had added it for some unknown purpose.


Steve,

that light is connected to your brake balance valve...it indicates
when one side of your brake system is inoperative. there is a piston
in this valve that is held in the center position by brake fluid
pressure. if one side fails it "should" come on to warn you of a
pending brake failure.

It should light momentarily at startup only to show its working...if
it doesn't the bulb might be bad. Correlation to your new central
heating system is purely coincidental.

hope this helps..

culater John

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:06:58 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: 5 Speed and an FE

> From: "JAMES MERLO"
> Subject: Re: 5 Speed and an FE
> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 16:21:07 -0600

> When did that ZF-547 debut?

I think it was 96 but not sure. I read a brief thing in the ford net
about the change due to the diesel breaking them in the 542 version
and just before that they also went to the BW 1356 for the same
reason, both are stronger versions of the originals (ZF-542 & BW
1345) I also had direct discussion with ZF rep here in the states
about them and located a Michigan distributor, new ones are about
$1700.

ZF has a web site, which reminds me, does anyone watch Hercules and
Xena? This week Herc was in a spider cave and when confronted with
all the trapped men wound up it spider webs he made this comment:
"What a big web site!" I almost fell off my chair!! :-)

Broncos really are supposed
to have brakes aren't they?

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:00:08 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: distributor update

> From: SARHOG aol.com
> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:50:21 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Re: distributor update

> Try this #....C8VF-12131-B31 is on the old one, C8VF-12131-B44 is
> on the new one. Hmmm...does that last number difference mean
> anything?

That's the engineering change number, I can look it up and see what
the difference is but with the first 4 the same it's not likely to be
anything major.

>
> out so that it interferes with the installation. >>
>
> Would the engine run like that? Keep in mind, the truck ran o.k.
> considering the timing was probably moving plus or minus 30 degrees.

When the engine died, were you able to restart it? The cam breaking
could be the force that sheared the pin but I don't have all the
particulars of the event so can't say for sure? As I said this is
way out there but a possibility. What you take to be filing could be
metal upset from the force of the cam etc..

Should be easy enought to determine with a remote start button or
helper to turn the motor over while you look in the hole to see if
everything is turning together?

Broncos really are supposed
to have brakes aren't they?

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 06:02:40 -0800
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: '77 Door Hinges

Jerry & Lisa wrote:

> Hi all, got a couple questions for ya. Our old truck has the sag in the
> doors, guess gravity got the better of them finally. Anyway, we need
> some ideas on where to get replacements; new or used.
> What is the best way to go? Do newer model truck hinges work on '70s
> models or are they different. We are interested basically in the best
> price.
> Thanks in advance for any help.

Jerry& Lisa: Here is the part number D3TZ-1022800-A(upper) &
D3TZ-1022810-A(Lower). They are still available from Ford or you can find
them at any truck salvage yard. I replaced mine with one from a junkyard.

They're about $65 each new.


Thanks
John MacNamara

78 F250 4X4 Supercab
67 GT500
66 Corvette


>
>
> Gerald & Lisa
> '77 F150 351M 4x4
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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:33:15 -0800
From: Jerry & Lisa
Subject: Axle Splines

We recently went to a u pull it yard and picked up a 9" 3rd member in
pretty good shape, but it had 28 splines. Come to find out, our '77 F150
has 28 splines too! Well, the question is, is there any difference in
performance or strength between the 28 and 31?

Jerry & Lisa

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:20:54 -0500 (EST)
From: STCLASSICS aol.com
Subject: Re: 77 DOOR HINGES

Jerry & Lisa,
All the doors are the same on 1973-1979 F-series
trucks, thus the door hinges would be too. Anything later will not fit as the
doors are different. The part numbers that you need are as follows; D3TZ
1022800-A upper hinge, and D3TZ 1022810-A lower hinge. These will work on
either side. Your best bet is to find new ones as used ones will probably be
as bad or worse than what you have already. Check out our website or some of
the other suppliers for genuine ford parts. Kenny / Street Classics

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:30:58 -0600 (CST)
From: rick adc.com (Rick Larson)
Subject: Re: Parts "GOLD MINE !"

Brian,

> Hey everybody, my son went to a boneyard to look for parts for a 69'
> mach 1, I remember the place from my earlier days and the guy had any
> part you ever needed for mustangs. He called me and told me this guy has
> tons of old ford trucks. the guy specializes in fords, he has nothing
> but Fords. I'm going to check it out on friday as its about 50
> miles away. but here's the phone # and address for anyone interested.
>
> Joe Kummer auto sales
> 5849 190th street east
> Hastings, MN 55033
> 612-437-6787

How was the gold mine? I've heard good things about this place
but never been there.

rick
- --
Rick Larson rick adc.com
Minnetonka

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:11:48 -0500
From: "dan jones"
Subject: Re: Axle Splines

>We recently went to a u pull it yard and picked up a 9" 3rd member in
>pretty good shape, but it had 28 splines. Come to find out, our '77 F150
>has 28 splines too! Well, the question is, is there any difference in
>performance or strength between the 28 and 31?


yes. The 31 are stronger.

Dan

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:30:32 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Axle Splines

> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:33:15 -0800
> From: Jerry & Lisa
> Subject: Axle Splines

> We recently went to a u pull it yard and picked up a 9" 3rd member
> in pretty good shape, but it had 28 splines. Come to find out, our
> '77 F150 has 28 splines too! Well, the question is, is there any
> difference in performance or strength between the 28 and 31?

31 is much bigger thus much stronger, more splines is stronger even
with the same diameter etc. so 31 is better but I've pulled logs out
of dead falls with big yanks with a 75 4wd van and still have the
rear end sitting in my barn in good shape so the difference may be
moot :-)

If you're drag racing get the 31's for sure :-)

Broncos really are supposed
to have brakes aren't they?

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:45:19 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: 460 heads

> From: "JAMES MERLO"
> Subject: 460 heads
> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 16:19:45 -0600

> What did Ford do to the 460 head in 1988 and later that makes it
> incompatible with Edelbrock intake manifolds? Does this apply to
> the Weiand Stealth also?

They may have made some changes to accomodate the EFI stuff, don't
know for sure though. This is the first I've heard of any
significant change like that? What specifically is different? Ports?
Bolt pattern?

Broncos really are supposed
to have brakes aren't they?

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:48:27 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Torque Specs....

> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 23:13:20 -0500
> From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
> Subject: Torque Specs....

> I can't find my book !! Can someone help me out with the torque
> specs for the mains and rods on a '71 429/460. This will allow me to
> get a few things done till I can locate my book !!

I don't have mine either but 105 and 45 stick in my mind on those
two specs? Torque to 90 and then to 105 and 35 and then to 45 for
best results. Where's Dog? I know he knows :-)

Broncos really are supposed
to have brakes aren't they?

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:44:10 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: 460 heads

i was wondering the same thing but since i don't have any of these "new"
parts i never really looked into it. i'll keep my ears open. in none of
my reference materials here does it say what the deal is. why not ask
edelbrock? they should know why it doesn't fit.

sleddog

- ----------
From: JAMES MERLO[SMTP:JJKMER worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 1997 5:19 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: 460 heads

What did Ford do to the 460 head in 1988 and later that makes it
incompatible with Edelbrock intake manifolds? Does this apply to the
Weiand Stealth also?


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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:55:08 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Torque Specs....

mains 1/2-13 95-105 lbsft
rods 40-45 lbsft

if you are using aftermarket bolts make sure you use their torque numbers,
or the results can be catastophic. rod bolts (new) need to be torqued and
loosened 3 times and proper lube used. always ffollow the manufacturuer of
the bolts directions, not ford (unless you got the bolt from ford of
course).

oh, you are using NEW rod bolts, right?

sleddog

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From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt[SMTP:milbrand visi.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 1997 11:13 PM
To: Fordtrucks
Subject: Torque Specs....

I can't find my book !! Can someone help me out with the torque specs
for the mains and rods on a '71 429/460. This will allow me to get a few
things done till I can locate my book !!

Thanks, Brian

'64 F100 shortbox
'78 F150 4x4
'96 F150 4x4 shortbox
'97 J**P wrangler






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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:04:36 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Torque Specs....

- ----------
From: Gary, 78 BBB[SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 1997 6:48 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: Torque Specs....

> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 23:13:20 -0500
> From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
> Subject: Torque Specs....

> I can't find my book !! Can someone help me out with the torque
> specs for the mains and rods on a '71 429/460. This will allow me to
> get a few things done till I can locate my book !!

I don't have mine either but 105 and 45 stick in my mind on those
two specs? Torque to 90 and then to 105 and 35 and then to 45 for
best results. Where's Dog? I know he knows :-)

do the mains in three steps preferably.

sleddog

Broncos really are supposed
to have brakes aren't they?

- -- Gary --





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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 97 13:24:00 PST
From: mcat epix.net
Subject: Re: 5 Speed and an FE

Man some ones ripping somebody off! The local yards want $21-2200 for a
real nice one and $12-1500 for a so so one. And this is even if they can
locate one on line.
Garry

- --- On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:06:58 +0000 "Gary, 78 BBB"
wrote:

>> From: "JAMES MERLO"
>> Subject: Re: 5 Speed and an FE
>> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 16:21:07 -0600
>
>> When did that ZF-547 debut?
>
>I think it was 96 but not sure. I read a brief thing in the ford net
>about the change due to the diesel breaking them in the 542 version
>and just before that they also went to the BW 1356 for the same
>reason, both are stronger versions of the originals (ZF-542 & BW
>1345) I also had direct discussion with ZF rep here in the states
>about them and located a Michigan distributor, new ones are about
>$1700.
>
>ZF has a web site, which reminds me, does anyone watch Hercules and
>Xena? This week Herc was in a spider cave and when confronted with
>all the trapped men wound up it spider webs he made this comment:
>"What a big web site!" I almost fell off my chair!! :-)
>
>Broncos really are supposed
>to have brakes aren't they?
>
>-- Gary --
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- -----------------End of Original Message-----------------


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Name: Garry
E-mail: mcat epix.net
Date: 10/27/97 Time: 1:24:00 PM

427 Fe powered 56 F-100 Wild by design
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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:21:39 -0500
From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Subject: Re: Parts "GOLD MINE !"

Rick Larson wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
> > Hey everybody, my son went to a boneyard to look for parts for a 69'
> > mach 1, I remember the place from my earlier days and the guy had any
> > part you ever needed for mustangs. He called me and told me this guy has
> > tons of old ford trucks. the guy specializes in fords, he has nothing
> > but Fords. I'm going to check it out on friday as its about 50
> > miles away. but here's the phone # and address for anyone interested.
> >
> > Joe Kummer auto sales
> > 5849 190th street east
> > Hastings, MN 55033
> > 612-437-6787
>
> How was the gold mine? I've heard good things about this place
> but never been there.
>
> rick
> --
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> Minnetonka
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Sorry .. didn't get there, had to help pull my dad's dock out of the
mighty Mississippi, and it took longer than expected...plus I had to
work all weekend. will try again next Saturday.

Brian

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:12:11 -0800
From: "art l"
Subject: Re:heater

I got a chance this weekend to look at the drain for the a/c, it was in the
wheel well above the passenger tire. There was a dip of anti-freeze on it,
but nothing else came out when I blew air into it. I don't think this was
the problem, it is anti-freeze that is causing the problems. It has to be a
small weep in the heater core, or something in the heat exchange box is
leaking. I guess the only way to find out is to start pulling everything
out and look for tell-tail signs. I was also thinking about using some
radiator stop leak, then if the heater stops steaming It would be a good
indicator that it was the core. I'm just not sure if the stop leaks work
for the heater cores, has anybody tried it. I don't Know why it wouldn't
work, the heater core is just a small radiator. Thanks for your help
Art

>Remember he said it smelled I.E. radiator fluid. I have had to replace
>heater cores in an 89 mustang, 63 econoline, and 56 F100 all didn't have>
>A/C and all had the same symptoms as were described and all had pinhole
>weeps. I have had an A/C unit plug up and yes water goes everywhere but
>it doesn't steam or smell (except that the carpet tends to gets musty.
>That's a chevy for you)
>Dana
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:05:42 -0500
>From: "George Shepherd"
>Subject: Re: heater
>Sounds like you have water getting in the plenum, but no heater core leak.
>If you have a/c and the drain is plugged water can build up. If no a/c the
>plenum is getting water from the outside.

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:33:21 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re:heater

> From: "art l"
> Subject: Re:heater
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:12:11 -0800

> that it was the core. I'm just not sure if the stop leaks work for
> the heater cores, has anybody tried it. I don't Know why it wouldn't
> work, the heater core is just a small radiator. Thanks for your
> help Art

Yup, works great, stops up everything between the inlet and outlet so
nothing can leak :-) Seriously, stop leak doesn't care why there is
a hole when it finds one, it trys to plug them all including the
tubes :-( I don't recommend using it except in an emergency myself
:-)

Broncos really are supposed
to have brakes aren't they?

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:23:07 -0800
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: 5 Speed and an FE

> Man some ones ripping somebody off! The local yards want $21-2200 for a
>real nice one and $12-1500 for a so so one. And this is even if they can
>locate one on line.
> Garry

2200 & 1500 is a what? Where you at? Don't tell Steve or Don! We can....
Ooops, darn that reply to button!


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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:41:59 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: 5 Speed and an FE

> From: "deconblu"
> Subject: Re: 5 Speed and an FE
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:23:07 -0800

> > Man some ones ripping somebody off! The local yards want
> $21-2200 for a
> >real nice one and $12-1500 for a so so one. And this is even if
> >they can locate one on line.
> > Garry
>
> 2200 & 1500 is a what? Where you at? Don't tell Steve or Don! We
> can.... Ooops, darn that reply to button!

I might add that the distributor said that was with a core and I
think the core charge was about $400 - $600 so a new one was around
$2200 without core or $1650 with core, something like that. Rebuild
were $1300 as I recall :-) BTW, this is concerning the Ford ZF
tranny for big blocks. It has an integral aluminum housing so can
only be used on engines with the modern big block transmission flange
:-) It also uses ATF and is sensitive to dirt and low oil levels
etc. so is less tolerant of sloppy maintenence than the older cast
iron jobs that use the 90 wt.. I saw one at a junk yard where the
owner had purchased it to replace the one that he thought was going
bad again in his stake truck but turned out to be the trans brake
causing all the rukus. It's one huge chunk of aluminum, sort of like
the C-6.


Broncos really are supposed
to have brakes aren't they?

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:57:42 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: 351C bellhousing pattern

>From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
>Subject: Re: 351C bellhousing pattern
>
>snip
>
>That's interesting, when I checked on a clutch for my 351M is seems
>there is only one diameter flywheel but two different bolt patterns
>and sizes of clutch pressure plate assy only 1/2" different or so???
>Why?
Yo Gary:
In 1982 and 1983 (last 2 years of the great M-block engine and sensible
mechanical clutch linkage in Ford pickups), Ford used a new flywheel design
with the 351M engines so that they shared the same clutch pressure plate as
the 351W engines. Why? Probably to save --. Both 351s use
an 11 inch clutch disk, so the friction surface is the same size for both,
but the 351W style pressure plate used a slightly smaller (less than 0.5
inch) mounting.

I discovered this little anomaly the hard way recently when the bozos at
Summit shipped the wrong clutch kit for my truck. I had to make a call to
the Ram Clutch factory tech support to get it figured out because the tech
guys at Summit had the wrong part number information.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:19:11 -0600
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Re:heater

I just used some Bars aluminum leak stop (heater core was leaking). It
stopped the leak, haven't checked the heater yet. A norther just blew into
Dallas. I figured a heater was superfluous in a Bronco With 3 windows which
go up.


- ----------
> From: art l
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re:heater
> Date: Monday, October 27, 1997 2:12 PM
>
>
> I got a chance this weekend to look at the drain for the a/c, it was in
the
> wheel well above the passenger tire. There was a dip of anti-freeze on
it,
> but nothing else came out when I blew air into it. I don't think this
was
> the problem, it is anti-freeze that is causing the problems. It has to
be a
> small weep in the heater core, or something in the heat exchange box is
> leaking. I guess the only way to find out is to start pulling everything
> out and look for tell-tail signs. I was also thinking about using some
> radiator stop leak, then if the heater stops steaming It would be a good
> indicator that it was the core. I'm just not sure if the stop leaks work
> for the heater cores, has anybody tried it. I don't Know why it wouldn't
> work, the heater core is just a small radiator. Thanks for your help
> Art
>
> >Remember he said it smelled I.E. radiator fluid. I have had to replace
> >heater cores in an 89 mustang, 63 econoline, and 56 F100 all didn't
have>
> >A/C and all had the same symptoms as were described and all had pinhole
> >weeps. I have had an A/C unit plug up and yes water goes everywhere but
> >it doesn't steam or smell (except that the carpet tends to gets musty.
> >That's a chevy for you)
> >Dana
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:05:42 -0500
> >From: "George Shepherd"
> >Subject: Re: heater
> >Sounds like you have water getting in the plenum, but no heater core
leak.
> >If you have a/c and the drain is plugged water can build up. If no a/c
the
> >plenum is getting water from the outside.
>
>
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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:23:57 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: 351C bellhousing pattern

> From: "Dave Resch"
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:57:42 -0700
> Subject: Re: 351C bellhousing pattern

> >That's interesting, when I checked on a clutch for my 351M is seems
> >there is only one diameter flywheel but two different bolt patterns
> >and sizes of clutch pressure plate assy only 1/2" different or
> >so??? Why?

> Yo Gary:
> In 1982 and 1983 (last 2 years of the great M-block engine and
> sensible mechanical clutch linkage in Ford pickups), Ford used a new
> flywheel design with the 351M engines so that they shared the same
> clutch pressure plate as the 351W engines. Why? Probably to save

Thanks Dave, that makes sense to me :-) They do that a lot but I
think it was more of a phase out of the M block which prompted it so
they could consolidate some tooling to reduce the last minute rush of
switching over kind of like that 64-65 289/302 thing with the
transmission flange. If they tried to change over a whole system at
once it would be chaos trying to retool and get back up to speed
etc.. I think that's how some drum brake 92 t-birds wound up with
rear disk brake style front brake pads and rotors. I have one of
those :-)


Broncos really are supposed
to have brakes aren't they?

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:21:23 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: heater

i wouldn't recommend it either, but i had a good experience with Bars brand
when i first bought my f150. the radiater was so bad it would spring small
leaks every time i drove it. half a bottle of bars and each leak would
spring and then close up within minutes even if it was after i shut the
engine down. i couldn't afford a new radiator at the time so i ran it that
way almost 2 yrs before it blew such a big hole it couldn't be plugged, in
fact it wasn't even able to be brazed shut. about $400 later a new
radiater made things so much better! i am still amazed at how well the
stop leak worked. after removing the engine i found no gunk or crap in the
water ways, and i even ended up replacing the heater with no sign of
trouble from the stuff. but, i wouldn't ever use it if the money is there
for new parts!

sleddog

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From: Gary, 78 BBB[SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 1997 10:33 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re:heater

> From: "art l"
> Subject: Re:heater
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:12:11 -0800

> that it was the core. I'm just not sure if the stop leaks work for
> the heater cores, has anybody tried it. I don't Know why it wouldn't
> work, the heater core is just a small radiator. Thanks for your
> help Art

Yup, works great, stops up everything between the inlet and outlet so
nothing can leak :-) Seriously, stop leak doesn't care why there is
a hole when it finds one, it trys to plug them all including the
tubes :-( I don't recommend using it except in an emergency myself
:-)

Broncos really are supposed
to have brakes aren't they?

- -- Gary --






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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:01:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Clssicford aol.com
Subject: what do you think?

I am putting the finishing touches on the motor installation in my 63 F100.
I have the 302 in place, and was wanting some opinions. It is a 302 with an
edelbrock performer,750cfm holley 4 barrel. Wht rear end ratio do you think
i should use? Also, if my axle splines are 28, is it as simple to switch to
31 as just slipping it in or can that be done? View my webpage at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/clssicford/index.com and tell me what you think.































































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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:21:54 -0500
From: "dan jones"
Subject: Re: what do you think?

Also, if my axle splines are 28, is it as simple to switch to
>31 as just slipping it in or can that be done?



No big deal, (if you're gonna change the gears anyway. The problem I've had
is finding someone to set up differentials. Everyone claims they can do it.
Nearly all of them lie like dogs.)

You gotta get the 31 spline axles. And you gotta replace the side gears. You
might as well get a heavy duty yoke (for the big U-joint).

No advice on what ratio for you. I have 4.56. My motor is a 300 six. 38"....

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