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fordtrucks61-79-digest Sunday, October 26 1997 Volume 01 : Number 314



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In this issue:

Re: 5 Speed and an FE [Don Grossman ]
Re: 5 Speed and an FE [Don Grossman ]
A riddle concerning some of the codes for my 74 F250, Any Takers? [Keith ]
Re: Smoggy the Weasel and Pipe Size [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: Autolite 4100 ["Robert Mitchem" ]
Re: Pipe size ["Kevin Fowler" ]
Clark 5 Speeds [csedgwick snet.net]
Re: Smoggy the Weasel and Pipe Size ["Brett McCoy"
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #313 [Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)]
Re: 5 Speed and an FE [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: A riddle concerning some of the codes for my 74 F250, AnyTakers? ["Ge]
Re: 5 Speed and an FE ["George Shepherd" ]
Rear Springs ["deconblu" ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #313 ["deconblu" ]
Time change! ["deconblu" ]

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 17:59:36 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: 5 Speed and an FE

mcat epix.net wrote:
>
> Don ,
> Any casting no.s in your info list. I`ve got a 56 c600 with a
> 390 merc and a clark 5spd od in it. I want to install a6.9IHFord in it and
> need to know which model trans it is. By the way any one needing an FE-FT
> bellhousing with the rear mounting brkts? I have access to a few of them
> at a local truck yard.

All the information should be on the Data plate that is on the side of
the transmission. Other than that I am not sure where to look.
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 18:02:10 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: 5 Speed and an FE

Gary, 78 BBB wrote:
>
> > Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 08:09:30 -0800
> > From: Don Grossman
> > Subject: Re: 5 Speed and an FE
>
> > I might need 2 just for myself. You know, in case one breaks on me
>
> I'd be happy with an extra NP-435 right now but they want $350 and up
> for one around here? Either my pilot bearing, input shaft bearing or
> clutch is messed up (throw out bearing is for sure) and third gear
> really hurts my hand if I hold on to the shifter while gassing it so
> the rear end could even be bad along with the tranny but the syncros
> still work and it's pretty smooth in high so I'm drivin it :-)

> -- Gary --

I'll trade you one for a clark. Like I said I keep extras around just
in case. ;-)
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 18:10:08 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: A riddle concerning some of the codes for my 74 F250, Any Takers?

Vin Number is as follows: F25MRU81770

I translate this to beF25= F250
M=390CI V8 4BBL 215HP
R=Assembled in San Jose, CA
U81770=Consecutive Unit Number

Wheel Base=133= 133 inch Wheel Base

Color=MU=Wimbledon White with Lime Stone Green Metallic
(It tends to grow on you after a while)

Type=F253=Model F253, GVW 8100 Pounds

Now this is where I am having trouble.

Body=P4P = Trim Code - Avocado
4 = Body Type - Style side Pick
Does anyone else read it this way?

Trans=G=Automatic (Lots of help here)
Does anyone else come up with something different?

Axle=24J=Couldn't find anything for this code, can anyone else.

G.V.W.=8100= Gross Vehicle Weight = 8100 Pounds

DSO=75=Phoenix District

If anybody can help with the Body, Trans, and Axle Codes I would Appreciate
it.

Thanks!

Later


Keith Srbherbie netvalue.net
Mesa, AZ
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box, Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 18:42:07 -0700
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Smoggy the Weasel and Pipe Size

What about sticking two cats on the duel system you have now? Then go to
a different shop for smog check.


By the way, always ask for a pretest before you go for the real one.
That way the smog police won't be in your face if it fails!

Also the seller was responsible to clear up the smog issue before he
sold it to you. If the seller didn't inform you about the smog control
problems you my be able to recoup some costs in small claims court. (I
am no lawyer but you may have some rights here )

See the following site:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://webgarage.com/ci/smog2.htm#require

It states the following:

"The seller must provide the buyer with a Smog Check certificate or VIR
indicating compliance prior to the transfer of
ownership. Ownership cannot be transferred if the vehicle has a Gross
Polluter hold on it, or has been issued a waiver or
economic hardship extension, unless all repairs have been made, and a
certificate of compliance is issued. Prior to purchase,
prospective buyers are advised to ask the seller for the current
certificate, if available, and/or the VIR. "


Here are some more smog check sites:


http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://webgarage.com/ci/smog.htm
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dmv.ca.gov/
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://smogcheck.ca.gov/000170.htm
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://smogcheck.ca.gov/000168.htm

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 20:36:23 -0500
From: "Robert Mitchem"
Subject: Re: Autolite 4100

I'm located in Gulfport, MS. These carbs are not the spreadbore type. They
are the older style shoebox type. I want 50.00 dollars plus UPS shipping
for each. If you are interested let me know.

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> From: Graphics & Research Fabrication
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: Autolite 4100
> Date: Friday, October 24, 1997 7:49 AM
>
> I know someone described the Autolite 4100 but I can't remember what
> was said. Is the 4100 a spreadbore, and if it is, what is the size
> difference between the primaries and secondaries?
>
> Robert, where are you located?
>
> >I have 3 laying in my garage. They are off a 390 65 Galaxie and 428
> >T-Bird. These carbs are the old shoebox style. They all need
rebuilding
> >if you are interested let me know.
>
> Pat
> pharrell bae.uga.edu
>
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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:04:32 -0500
From: "Kevin Fowler"
Subject: Re: Pipe size

The headers are what going to determine the back pressure 2.5 ins. is a good

size, but, if you want a good sound try 2.25 ins. between the headers and
the

mufflers and 2.5 ins. behind the mufflers.





- -----Original Message-----
From: George Schott
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Date: Saturday, October 25, 1997 9:03 AM
Subject: Pipe size



>I am getting ready to do the exhaust on my 69 F-100 2wd. with 302 I was
>thinking about using 2.5 inch pipe and going from the headers and
>exiting the pipe in front of the rear tires like the new Fords. My
>question is this is 2.5 inch pipe too big? Will the engine breath too
>good? I have heard that you need some back pressure in order for things
>to work right. BTW I am running dual exhaust no smog to worry about in
>NC.

>Duke's
>Fine 69
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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 22:34:42 -0700
From: csedgwick snet.net
Subject: Clark 5 Speeds

Don't know if this will help:
From Hollanders Interchange: 1968

398. AtoC will all bolt up to clutch housings with no change.
A. 5spd light duty, New Process, B3T7001A Direct mkd.5TY
B3T7001B, O.D., mkd.5TYB
B5T7001A Direct, mkd.5TVA
Ford Tr.53-55 500,600 &700 exc T700
Ford Tr.56 600 & 700

B. 55 5 spd.med.duty, Clark 250V, B6T7001B, O,D., mkd.5DB
NP 540 B7T7001B, Direct, mkd.5NA,5NC,5NE
NP 540 B7T7001C, O.D., mkd. 5NB,5ND
Clark 250V B7Q7001A, Direct, mkd. 5DA, 5PA
Clark 250V B7Q7001B, O,D., mkd. 5PB
Clark 250V B9TT7001J, Direct, mkd.5TA
Clark 250V B9TT7001K, O,D., mkd.5TB
Clark 250V C0TT7001C, Direct, mkd.5T1A,C5TA
Clark 250V C0TT7001D, O.D., mkd 5T1B,C5TB
Ford Tr.56-64 600-750 series

C.55 5 spd.hvy.duty, Clark 264V B3T7001C, O.D., mkd.5TFB
Clark 265V B7QH7001A, Direct,
mkd.5TGB,5GA,5GC,5VA
Clark 264V B7QH7001B, O.D., mkd.5GB,5GT,5VB
Clark 265V B9TT7001A, Direct, mkd. 5HDB
Clark 265V B9TT7001B, O.D., mkd.5HOB
Clark 2621V C1TT7001V, Direct, mkd. C5TC,C5TD
Ford Tr. 53 600
Ford Tr. 53-57 700 to 900
Ford Tr. 58-64 700-900
w/8-292,302 or 332 engines
as listed here, the 292 is the Y-Block, the 302 is listed as
interchange(588) and shows as 279,317,302 and 332. I don't think that
this 332 is the FE block, but rather the old 1952 up Lincoln OHV. The FE
blocks are listed as interchange 684.

Clutches listed are a 12", for 53-64 F7,8,T700, w/279,302 or 332 engine
11", for 53-60 F100 to F700 279,302 engine
11-1/2", for 61-63 500-700 w 6-262 or 8-292 eng.

Clutch Housings listed:
53-56 8-279/302 5spd int.76 also fits 455
54-61 w/4&5spd., 8cyl int.212
54-61 Yblock 256,272,292 int.212
62-64 100-700 w/4 or 5spd Clark-int.212B
64-65 500/600 w/5spd 8-330/361 int.576 (This is the 330/361/391 truck
FE?)
THIS BOOK ONLY LISTS UP TO 65 FOR TRUCKS, so probably the housing
interchanges for a longer period of time.

Hollanders has a lot of inconsistancies, thats why the listings look a
little weird.

Next listing is for 399. Spicer 5 speeds for F900,1000,1100's.

Ed Sedgwick

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 22:11:40 -0500
From: "Brett McCoy"
Subject: Re: Smoggy the Weasel and Pipe Size

Fist off thanks to everyone for their opinion on my exhaust set up. It's
great to see how each person tunes their truck via the exhaust to make it
just the way they like it. As for Sleddog, SHAME SHAME, on you ;-)
Actually I already thought of it but, a few recycles that I called wont
sell a cat. Seems to be illegal around hear. Don't think it is worth the
chance. In any case I will take all your advises and get the best free
flowing cat that I can afford. The only reading that was even close to the
limit was the CO level. So an oxygenating Cat should make that one even
lower. If the other reading change a little it won't matter because I had
a lot of room before I would get even close to the limits. If I can afford
all the parts I want I plan to go with 2.25" or 2.5" pipe from the stock
manifold to the cat. Then run 3" the rest of the way. Should sound pretty
good with the flowmaster big block muffler in it.

One more question. With a Crew Cab would you all exit in front or behind
the rear passenger side wheel? The only problem with going in front that I
can think of is it would be a little close to the rear passenger door?
Wouldn't want anyone to get burned!! Would this set up be much louder than
going out behind the rear wheel? Seems to me that it should flow a little
better by avoiding the bends for the axle clearance. Also seems that just
after the axle is where they rust out first. May make the system last a
little longer. What do ya think?!?

- -B

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 23:05:19 -0400
From: Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #313

What is the balance tube for and why would I need it? I was under the
assumption that with using such short pipes to start with that it would
not be needed.

Duke's
Fine 69

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 20:14:56 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: 5 Speed and an FE

Don Grossman lists Clark info:

>Model First Second Third Fourth Fifth Reverse
>280v 7.48 4.38 2.40 1.48 1.00 6.30
>280vo 5.98 3.50 1.86 1.00 .80 5.04
>282v 6.99 4.09 2.27 1.17 1.00 5.89
>285v 6.99 4.09 2.24 1.47 1.00 5.89
>288v 5.98 3.50 1.91 1.37 1.00 5.04
>289v 5.98 3.50 1.91 1.18 1.00 5.04
>282vhd 7.26 4.10 2.18 1.17 1.00 6.00
>285vhd 7.26 4.10 2.24 1.47 1.00 6.00
>cl450 8.05 4.35 2.45 1.48 1.00 8.05
>cl455 6.99 3.78 2.13 1.28 1.00 6.99
>cl457 6.99 3.78 2.13 1.17 1.00 6.99
>cl551 7.52 4.35 2.54 1.52 1.00 6.27
>cl557 6.82 3.68 1.99 1.17 1.00 5.30
>cl558 6.36 3.68 2.15 1.28 1.00 5.30
>
>The 280 series is rated at 330 lb-ft of torque, 405 series is 405 lb-ft
>and the 550 series is rated for 490 lb-ft or torque.
>
>The input shafts on the Clarks are 1 1/2" in diameter and the stock size
>clutch disk was 13" so finding a disk that will fit an 11 or 12" clutch
>will be the tricky part.

Ack! Only 330 and 405 ft lbs on most? That will never do!

Looks like the 550 series is the only useful one for FE.
The ratios on the 1551 don't look to good for my tastes.
Maybe a 1558 or 1557 with a fairly tall (3.0?) rear axle.?
Not sure I like the 1557 ratios that well either. Hmmm, choices
are quickly getting limited...



Steve Delanty

Measure it with a micrometer,
mark it with chalk,
cut it with an axe...

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 22:53:22 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: A riddle concerning some of the codes for my 74 F250, AnyTakers?

- ----------
> From: Keith Srb
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: A riddle concerning some of the codes for my 74 F250, AnyTakers?
> Date: Saturday, October 25, 1997 8:10 PM
>
> Vin Number is as follows: F25MRU81770


>
> I translate this to beF25= F250
> M=390CI V8 4BBL 215HP
> R=Assembled in San Jose, CA
> U81770=Consecutive Unit Number
>
> Wheel Base=133= 133 inch Wheel Base
>
> Color=MU=Wimbledon White with Lime Stone Green Metallic
> (It tends to grow on you after a while)
>
> Type=F253=Model F253, GVW 8100 Pounds
>
> Now this is where I am having trouble.
>
> Body=P4P = Trim Code - Avocado
> 4 = Body Type - Style side Pick
> Does anyone else read it this way?

I read this as P supercab chassis-cab and 4 styleside bed.

>
> Trans=G=Automatic (Lots of help here)
> Does anyone else come up with something different?

G is ok, it is a C6, they never put a C4 behind a 360.
>
> Axle=24J=Couldn't find anything for this code, can anyone else.
>

that ain't valid for an axle code.

> G.V.W.=8100= Gross Vehicle Weight = 8100 Pounds
>
> DSO=75=Phoenix District
>
> If anybody can help with the Body, Trans, and Axle Codes I would
Appreciate
> it.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Later
>
>
> Keith Srbherbie netvalue.net
> Mesa, AZ
> 1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
> 1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
> 1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box, Style Side.
> 1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
> My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two
Wheels!"
>
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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 23:01:31 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: 5 Speed and an FE

Looks like what I want to do is klug together a 280v for 7.48 first and a
280vo for .80 fifth.

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> From: sdelanty sonic.net
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: 5 Speed and an FE
> Date: Saturday, October 25, 1997 10:14 PM
>
> Don Grossman lists Clark info:
>
> >Model First Second Third Fourth Fifth Reverse
> >280v 7.48 4.38 2.40 1.48 1.00 6.30
> >280vo 5.98 3.50 1.86 1.00 .80 5.04
> >282v 6.99 4.09 2.27 1.17 1.00 5.89
> >285v 6.99 4.09 2.24 1.47 1.00 5.89
> >288v 5.98 3.50 1.91 1.37 1.00 5.04
> >289v 5.98 3.50 1.91 1.18 1.00 5.04
> >282vhd 7.26 4.10 2.18 1.17 1.00 6.00
> >285vhd 7.26 4.10 2.24 1.47 1.00 6.00
> >cl450 8.05 4.35 2.45 1.48 1.00 8.05
> >cl455 6.99 3.78 2.13 1.28 1.00 6.99
> >cl457 6.99 3.78 2.13 1.17 1.00 6.99
> >cl551 7.52 4.35 2.54 1.52 1.00 6.27
> >cl557 6.82 3.68 1.99 1.17 1.00 5.30
> >cl558 6.36 3.68 2.15 1.28 1.00 5.30
> >
> >The 280 series is rated at 330 lb-ft of torque, 405 series is 405 lb-ft
> >and the 550 series is rated for 490 lb-ft or torque.
> >
> >The input shafts on the Clarks are 1 1/2" in diameter and the stock size
> >clutch disk was 13" so finding a disk that will fit an 11 or 12" clutch
> >will be the tricky part.
>
> Ack! Only 330 and 405 ft lbs on most? That will never do!
>
> Looks like the 550 series is the only useful one for FE.
> The ratios on the 1551 don't look to good for my tastes.
> Maybe a 1558 or 1557 with a fairly tall (3.0?) rear axle.?
> Not sure I like the 1557 ratios that well either. Hmmm, choices
> are quickly getting limited...
>
>
>
> Steve Delanty
>
> Measure it with a micrometer,
> mark it with chalk,
> cut it with an axe...
>
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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:21:08 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Rear Springs

Hi Gang!
Well I drove out to the Valley and met Marv! A list member and very cool
person. I am almost over saying "As if" and "Oh my God" it takes a while for
the Valley to where off! :) He turned me on to a set of springs off his
very cool '70 F250.

Gary, he installed the whole 9" rear end from a Lincoln and is using air
suspension. A nice set-up indeed! Hopefully he will give us the details on
the truck. (Sorry Marv I think this is called "on the spot"). Marv is a
knowledgeable and interesting Bro. I hope we get together again. If you need
a hand with any of your projects just drop me a line and I'll be there, late
but I'll be there! (I was suppose to be there at 10am, I think I showed up
at a casual 12:30)

I was looking at my trucks springs and the difference is like night and
day. I can't wait to see how it handles. I'll do it Monday when my wife is
at work and I can have the driveway. Not that it's a problem but she still
remembers the one day header installation that turned into and engine
rebuild. Maybe I didn't need to park in the middle but that's where I like
to work. That way I can tell if I'm leaking something or it's a stain from
where I worked on something! :)
I'll update as it happens. Until then I'll just ramble and offer
miss-information to peoples questions.
Later!

Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 22:59:14 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #313

>What is the balance tube for and why would I need it? I was under the
>assumption that with using such short pipes to start with that it would
>not be needed.

When I had my exhaust done, they told me a 302 with duel exhaust, I
wouldn't get any realistic advantage having a balance tube. I don't think my
engine could flow any better than what it does.
A balance tube does more than equalize pressure. It's one of those
soundwave, ying yang things. I'm still a little froggie about the whole
thing (Rib bib). Sorry I'm an opener, it's time for the clean-up crew to
come in and clean this mess up!


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